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The_Finman

10-01-2002, 09:18 PM

<h2>Democrat Strategy: Nullify Existing Law</h2>
<embed width="101" height="130" src="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.parcol11.0013.FlashFile.swf" align=right></embed>This Torricelli stuff is exactly, my friends, as I predicted to you it was going to be.

I thought they'd have Torch run, then make him resign and have the Democrat governor pick a replacement.

But they can't take the risk that Torch might lose, so it's moving up their timetable and forcing them to run roughshod over the law.

All of us little people should be happy to have them do so -- and we should never, ever expect them to follow any of the silly little rules or laws that we have to live by.

They're going to try to smash the laws in New Jersey, in one or more of the ways Dave Kopel outlines in National Review.

Well, Kopel pulled up the relevant New Jersey statues off the state's website, and they prove the Times' / DNC fax view of this is 100% inaccurate.

The Constitution is an obstacle to what liberals want to do: grow government and control everybody's lives.

Yes, whether it's the First Amendment and campaign finance reform, or the Second Amendment and banning guns, or dead people running for office in Missouri and Hawaii, the law is nothing more than an obstacle to be overcome when it gets in the way of Democratic power.

I read extensively from Kopel's article, "Dem Hopes?

What the Legal Options Are in New Jersey," on Tuesday's show.

If Torch resigns, the Democrat appointed by Governor Jim McGreevey would serve only until Election Day.

As in Missouri's special election, if the Republican wins, he takes the seat immediately -- and power shifts back to the party Jim Jeffords was elected to vote with.

The illegitimate majority would be smashed, and the will of the American people would be restored.

Or Torch could plead guilty to a crime, and they could then use a Perth Amboy case to claim the need to put someone new on the ballot.

Furthermore, Kopel writes, "the statute says nothing about placing anybody's name on an election ballot.

Apparently the Democrat Party's only hope is to keep Torch on the ballot, with the promise that he'll resign in favor of a Democrat draft pick to be named later (or now) by McGreevy, and ask people to pull the lever for his name.

(...explain why this is not Democrat master strategery, but a party in disarray) (http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/02/10/100102_2_torchI.asx)

(...begin the dissection of Kopel's fantastic piece on NJ election law in National Review) (http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/02/10/100102_8_strategyoptions.asx)

(...finish off the Kopel piece on the law as, once again, an obstacle to Dem power lust) (http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/02/10/100102_9_strategyoptionsII.asx)

Full Story Here (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100102/content/truth_detector_2.guest.html)

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 09:20 PM

I read Kopel's NRO article myself. It shows that the Dems goal of getting a replacement candidate for Torricelli is not as easy as it sounds.

Incident_command

10-01-2002, 09:25 PM

Isn't Hawaii going through a problem due to the demorat running died and they want to keep her on the ballot so the Gov can name a replacement?

Longhorn_Platinum

10-01-2002, 09:28 PM

http://mysmilies.com/ubb/smilies/cwm6.gif Any chance this will backfire on the Republicans? I heard on the car radio that they're planning to go to court to block a new demonicrat nominee from getting on the ballot. I can just hear the demonicrat campaign ads now, decrying the Republicans for trying to win an election via the court system.

Venus

10-01-2002, 09:31 PM

Incident, Patsy Mink ('rat, HI), now room temperature and dropping, was in the House. I don't believe the guv appoints House replacements - gotsta have a special election for that one, I believe.

DesertFox

10-01-2002, 09:32 PM

Republicans will be accused of whatever regardless of what they do.

Wyatt_Junker

10-01-2002, 09:33 PM

The 'crats are soooo desperate for seats right now. Its panic mode. They'll do anything to try and strong-arm(if they have to by breaking the law) their way into another majority.

They know Zogby isn't their friend right now and they's ass is worried.

Eyerack's killing 'em. Anything they do about it, at least their reaction(hysterics) to it, is killing 'em.

If we get the majority back. Just think about it. All that freakshow special interest drying up on the hill. No need for it anymore.

Tort death. Union death. 'Bortion death. Homo death. All dead topics. None of 'em will be brought up on the floor. None.

19 hrs. was how long it took the demons to rustle up some sham. These guys is scared shitless.

Gone_with_the_Wind

10-01-2002, 09:34 PM

The Dems have picked Torch's replacement, but the Republican's have already filed to block it. We'll see how it plays out.

Venus

10-01-2002, 09:34 PM

Yep, Fox, and that's why they should wise up and do the smartest thing possible instead of cowering like mice.

Long story short - the 'pubs will probably get the senate back - then elect Trent Lott Majority leader again - another fine example of your campaign donations hard at work.

Warlady

10-01-2002, 09:36 PM

"Once upon a time the Democratic Party claimed to represent the 'working' people. Once upon a time Democrats joined with the GOP when our Nation was in peril. Once upon a time Decent People held elected office.

Those days are gone forever.

Last week we had the Human? Android Gore attack the President while at the same time calling himself a liar and contradicting several of his own prior statements in nothing more then a blatant attempt to establish himself as a viable candidate. A vision not shared by the Leaders or "Capos" of the Democratic Crime Family"

Then with utter amazement Tommy Daschle takes to the well of the Senate to deliver a "Spontaneous" message of Outrage. So Spontaneous that the Media was notified a full three hours in ADVANCE. Never mind that Senator Tiny was screaming in purple rage over comments THAT WERE NEVER SAID. Never mind that the "Conscience of the Senate" Bob Byrd sat in a near coma only three feet away while Daschle delivered this unrehearsed off the cuff diatribe. Must take a great deal to impress old Bob Byrd. I guess midgets twitching just dont do the trick.

Now we have three blind mice in downtown Baghdad spinning the Saddam line about how poor Saddam is the victim and means no harm. Did anyone tell McDermott that while he was calling George Bush a LIAR Saddams people were firing SAM's at American Pilots in the No Fire Zone?

So now we have the TORCH dropping out of the Race for the Good of the Party. The very same TORCH that Tom Daschle called totally Innocent just a few weeks ago. The very same TORCH who has sickened even New Jersey Democrats ( a hardy breed ). The very same TORCH who is painfully aware that more bribes are about to come to light. The very same TORCH who has yet to even hint that he has any degree of remorse for what he has done. Possibly TORCH fits the new Democrats Standard " I am sorry I got Caught"

Now it becomes Painfully Clear. The Democrat Party cares more about control of the Congress then they care about the security of the Nation and the Rule of Law.

1. Richard Gephardt categorically refused to remove Rep Gary Condit from the House Intelligence Committee even though Condits sordid history showed him to be a classic security risk.

2. The Senate Democratically Controlled Ethics Committee REFUSED to release testimony of the above mentioned TORCH yet placed Trafficant in the Public Well.

3. Today , New Jersey Democrats have decided that the LAW does not matter to them, despite a long standing State Election Law that Prohibits a Candidate from removing himself from the ballot within 51 days of the election, they have decided they will appoint a new candidate to replace the disgraced TORCH.

WHERE IS THE RULE OF LAW? DID THE DEMOCRATS BURY IT ALONG WITH LOOSE CHADS IN FLORIDA?

It is time for the American People to throw the Democrats Out!!!!!!!!!" --- rdy2c

The_Finman

10-01-2002, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Longhorn Platinum:
http://mysmilies.com/ubb/smilies/cwm6.gif Any chance this will backfire on the Republicans? I heard on the car radio that they're planning to go to court to block a new demonicrat nominee from getting on the ballot. I can just hear the demonicrat campaign ads now, decrying the Republicans for trying to win an election via the court system.Actually L.P.,

Just as the 2000 election, it's the Dems that are trying to change and skirt the rule of law as Warlady so eloquently pointed out. images/icons/wink.gif

And just like the 2000 election, I'm sure that if the lose this they will try to spin it as "the will of the people was thwarted!"

I was over at the DemonRatUnderground earlier and this is but a small sample of the quotes from that disgusting place. graemlins/icon24.gif

Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by Jacobin
It may be just slimey enough to work

Would be interesting to watch the folks on Faux whine about the skullduggery. What was it they were telling us??: "Get over it?"

Let'em whine and mail the *******s a pound of cheese.

I, for one, won't get defensive over it.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by Stevie D
Morally, you're right...Politically, you're wrong. Fair is fair. Repubs don't play fair.
In another world that is not perfect but more just, I would agree with you that the Dems screwed up, and Toricelli cost them.

This time, it's tooth and nail.

If I have to march in the streets and spend what little spare time I have convincing others to register and vote, this time around I have lost any scruples I may have had in favor of a Machiavellian approach.

The stakes are too high.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by warren pease
I'm not even remotely interested in playing fair. I'm only interested in winning. I'll worry about my moral compass when neo-cons are selling cakes at bake sales to fund their campaigns, and the real political power in this country is wielded by Dems (the non-DLC variety) and Greens. Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by Magic Rat
they're gonna strong-arm the court...it's New Jersey, that's what they do.

You could tell by Torricelli's speech that he knew what he was doing. He knew there would be no way the court wouldn't have allowed this.

Hell, what did you think he was talking to Bill Clinton about?

Golf ?

The Dems will get their candidate and he'll win. It's simple. It may get messy, but that's New Jersey politics.

Good place for down-and-dirty liberals. That's why I like it so much.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by annagull
unlike what the SCOTUS did, there is real case law about this. We would be idiots not to use the state law to our advantage with a one vote majority in the Senate. Perfectly legal, maybe a little dirty, but they have done MUCH worse. Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by ann_coulter_is_a_man
now there's an idea...start building alliances with the greens instead of whining about them
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by MSchreader
... or the Socialist Party candidate Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by gulliver
It's not wrong...

Denying the majority of voters in Jersey a chance to vote for their preference in contravention of existing law. That's what would be wrong.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by Ramsey
Isn't this exactly what we got so upset about in Florida??
Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush and company thought some arbitrarily chosen deadline was more important than the people of Florida's right to vote. Ms. Harris refused to accept a recount from Palm Beach County because it was TWO HOURS late. Come on.
What is important is that the voters of New Jersey, who are a majority Democratic after all, have a choice of someone other than Forrester, who does not represent the mainstream views of New Jersians. Of course the law has to set some deadlines, but that does not mean they are set in stone. If the state court rules that Torricelli can be replaced despite the deadline, which I would assume they will if they have the voters best interest in mind, then what is so "slimy" about it? Laws often have exceptions, when they are practical and do not hurt anyone. The only person this might hurt is Forrester. Isn't that exactly why we all derided the SCOTUS for stopping the Florida recounts, reasoning that it might irrevocably damage George W??

Weren't we all willing to let the Florida Supreme Court alter the state of Florida's deadlines so the people's votes could be counted? Wasn't that the more important issue? Weren't we all incensed when the Felounius Five took that right away??

If the New Jersey court rules that this is OK, then it's OK with me, not illegal, not illegitmate and not unfair.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by skeptic9
Ramsey -- you are 100 percent CORRECT -- Deadlines are ...entirely arbitrary. What DIFFERENCE does it make to the electorate whether a candidate is replaced 48 days or 30 days before an election? As long as all the ballots can be reprinted in time for them to be distributed at the polls on Election Day, what harm is done to democracy?

Compare any harm caused to the legitimacy of an election when a candidate is replaced fewer than 48 days before Election Day, with the harm caused by FORCING THE BALLOT TO INCLUDE THE NAME OF A CANDIDATE WHO HAS RESIGNED!

This NJ candidate-naming deadline issue is almost exactly the same as the ballot-counting deadline issue that served as a pretext for Dubya's coup d'etat.

What difference does it make if a party misses a minor deadline, if all the mechanics of the electoral process STILL can be completed by the final deadline? What difference would it make even if Election Day or Inauguration Day had to be delayed by a week or two, in order for the true will of the people to have a chance to be expressed?

When was the arbitrary New Jersey deadline set? Does it predate the age of computerized printing, implicitly assuming timelines forced by the technologies of decades, generations, or centuries ago?

What is the law and case precedent on this point across the 50 states and DC? There must be legislation and written judicial opinions that already express all these thoughts about arbitrariness versus electoral fairness.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by areschild
I'm normally a nice, honest person but, if my child were starving, I would steal food to feed him. You can call me a thief, send me to prison or hang me from the highest tree, but as long as possible, I will feed my child. Well, this Country is starving...for sanity and democracy. Our Constitution has been trampled and our Country raped. You bet I'll do what I have to do to save them. You can call me a thief, send me to prison, or hang me from the highest tree, but as long as possible, I will fight for this Country. We need to stop worrying about how "nice" or "legal" we are. It was the Supreme Court that appointed a madman to occupy our White House. You think we can depend on the legal system to save us? We MUST fight to WIN. This may be the most important battle we face...or else we're lost. Our Country is lost. To Hell with "nice"!
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by kentuck
why surrender without a good political fight? Make the Republicans worry. Distract their resources from other states. Occupy their political time in NJ. Make them think we are going to challenge it to the US Supreme Court. Make them defend their positions. Make their lives miserable Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by placton
So, in this world, we have to do what is necessary to win. As a criminal defense atty, I see judges lie, probation officers lie, cops lie, prosecutors lie, and witnesses lie. Defense attys are told "play by the rules," even though the govt has its "own rules" (see 'lying' above).

I do not condone perjury, war, terrorism, or immorality. But to simply say, "Gee, to act this way is not pristine," don't cut it no more.

I say, shove the Torricelli situation up their butts. It was not Dem operatives "rioting" in Fla, it was not Dem justices subverting the Constitution, it's not Dem politicos who lied about war to cover up the economy and their crimes, was it?

The American public (sheeple that they are) have OK'd a change in the rules when the allowed Bush and his gang to govern without protest. Should we play by a different set of rules, and lose our country? Because, we surely will if we do.
 Originally posted on the DemonRatUnderground by fed2dneck
Governor McGreevey and the Democrats can bend the letter of the law in Jersey; two can play that game. What's good for the GOP goose had better be good for the Democratic gander, or there's going to be an all-out civil war!!! Make no mistake--the Repugs won't win this time--they're to freakin' regimented.

There's an old saying that goes, "when a regimented people is up against an equally determined free people, the free people win out every time." Guess who the free people are; it goes without saying.

Torricelli got Clintonized*; we refuse to allow New Jersey voters get Clintonized as well. We support the voters' right to choose their Senator--they shouldn't get stuck with a candidate they don't want because of Repug dirty tricks.

*to Clintonize-- to harass, demonize, and/or persecute a powerful Democratic political figure who admitted guilt to a petty moral error in judgment by unethical, illegal, or criminal means, with the intent to damage his or her career, and chances for future employment.
They include, but are not limited to: repeating false accusations so often they become accepted as true; exaggerating the seriousness of the target's allegations, or treating traffic tickets like a murder charge--the Inspector Javert syndrome; mixing lies with the truth until the lies become the truth; distorting, silencing, or drowning out the target's attempts to defend him/herself from the false charges.

HAVE THE REPUGS NO SENSE OF DECENCY?!

ThomasIsUnderrated

10-01-2002, 09:46 PM

Unfortunately, there are enough people that think like the dems to keep them in office. Think about how often people are willing to tell lies or claim someone else's work as their own. This is pretty common... and it is sad.

Wyatt_Junker

10-01-2002, 09:48 PM

Fin, our enemy must be defeated.

Law was on Bush 2000's side.

Law isn't on this one for them.

Why did'ya haveta post them quotes? Makes me want to head butt my monitor.

What a bunch of merry pervs.

Warlady

10-01-2002, 09:50 PM

This is the same party that elects dead people.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Warlady:
"Once upon a time the Democratic Party claimed to represent the 'working' people. Once upon a time Democrats joined with the GOP when our Nation was in peril. Once upon a time Decent People held elected office.

Those days are gone forever.
Boy you said it. I was visiting DU (aka the "dark side") where they were discussing the same thing. In the opinions of many of the posters there, they felt that the average working guy was stupid. The crowd at DU just reaked with condescension toward the typical working guy, married with children.

They (the liberals) have becoming an uppity elite increasingly dettached from the concerns of the average working guy.

Warlady

10-01-2002, 10:24 PM

A working man who votes Democrat is no different than a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

The_Finman

10-01-2002, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Warlady:
A working man who votes Democrat is no different than a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.Wheeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!....ROTFLMAO!!!!! http://www.ronaldreagan.com/ubb/graemlins/Laughing.gif

Can I borrow that Warlady? images/icons/grin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

10-01-2002, 10:46 PM

The Finnaman-----Just curious but do you intend to have your post #423 published as a harback novel of paper back.

The_Finman

10-01-2002, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by BigJohn:
The Finnaman-----Just curious but do you intend to have your post #423 published as a harback novel of paper back.Ummmmmmmm.....which post was #423? graemlins/icon51.gif

PaulRevere

10-01-2002, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Warlady:
A working man who votes Democrat is no different than a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.A Jew who votes Democrat is no different than a Jew voting for Saddam Hussein
A Black who votes Democrat is no different than a Black voting for slave traders
A woman who votes Democrat is no different than a woman voting for serial adulterers, mysogynist abusers, rapists and woman killers

Timberwolf

10-01-2002, 11:47 PM

Fantastic rant WarBabe!!! LMAO!! Originally posted by Warlady:
A working man who votes Democrat is no different than a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.Wow!!! Who put a quarter in you, tonight?? You are on a roll!!! ROTF!!! graemlins/icon16.gif graemlins/icon16.gif

RayChuang

10-02-2002, 12:18 AM

Warlady

10-02-2002, 12:42 AM

Thanks everyone. That's an old Texas sayin'. You know I hope Americans come to realize that the Democrat party is controlled by the mob. One only has to look to the Torch to see that. Just last week Daschle was in NJ holding a fundraiser for the the crook. What has happened in one week you ask? I'll tell you what. A video Chang had in his sleeve that shows Torricelli hired a "break your knees if you turn states evidence against me" mob thug to silence him. Mary Joe White knew all of this and refused to indict him. She needs to be prosecuted too!

When GW said the Dems in the Senate were putting special interest groups like the unions above national security HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. The mob is dictating our US SENATE FOLKS. Sear I hope you are reading this. I hope you and those who don't understand the seriousness of what is happening here get a clue. If you think all vets are patriots then perhaps you need to look at McDermott and Ritter. How can any American go to enemy soil and trash the CIC? Just because you served your country does not mean you can't be manipulated by the likes of McAuliffe and Carville in the name of gaining control of power. Hell McCain did. Even Lucifer fell. Being a vet does not give you a blank check to turn against your country (treason). Please do not misunderstand me. I am not condeming all vets. I think everyone here knows how I feel about our service men and women.

Venus

10-02-2002, 03:36 AM

What WL said.