Which Terrorist-Funded Candidate Do You Support? [Archive]

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08-20-2002, 09:48 PM

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Cynthia Mckinney? ..................... or Denise Majette?

Which terrorist-funded candidate do you support? (http://www.rollcall.com/pages/politics/00/2002/08/pol0812a.html)

The conservative press went into cardiac arrest when they discovered that McKinney had campaign contributions from people with Arab-sounding names and the Arab-American PAC. So, the righties drummed up a bunch of pro-Israeli money for Majette and threatened to engage in cross-over voting to knock off McKinney. (Of course, McKinney's sin wasn't the source of her funding, it was her criticism of President Bush. But, don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant.)

What's that? BOTH of them received money from BOTH terrorist groups? Huh. Go figure.

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08-20-2002, 09:54 PM

Tell me how many jews were on those aircraft that ran into the WTC and pentagon?

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08-20-2002, 09:55 PM

Ok, I know McKinney recieved money from an arab front with ties to Al-Queda, who did Majette recieve money from?

What do you mean Both terrorist groups?

oracle

08-20-2002, 09:56 PM

How many Saudi princes did Majette beg money from after those princes insulted America?

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08-20-2002, 09:56 PM

While we're on the subject of terrorist financial support and the financial support of terrorists, I wonder why this little goodie seems to escape the attention of the rightwing propaganda machine?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Cheney supported controversial fundraiser

The veep nominee was on the finance committee for an Arab-sponsored charity dinner that excluded Israelis.

By Jake Tapper
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July 27, 2000 | Republican vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney was on the finance committee of a May 3 fundraiser that barred Israelis and was controversial enough for Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton to withdraw as honorary chairpersons of the event. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., according to one of his spokesmen, also contemplated removing his name from the invitation, though the spokesman was unsure if Lott did so or not. A source confirmed Thursday that Cheney attended the event.

The Bush campaign did not return repeated calls for comment.

The original controversy arose in late April after the Forward newspaper, a Jewish weekly in New York, reported that Clinton would be criticized by her then-opponent in the New York Senate race, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, for participating in the fundraising dinner for the Mosaic Foundation, a charitable group run by the wives of Arab ambassadors.

The problem, the Forward pointed out, is that the Mosaic Foundation excluded Israelis from the dinner while inviting virtually the rest of diplomatic Washington.

Those on the invite list included longtime Palestine Liberation Organization spokesman Hassan Abdel Rahman, as well as individuals from the embassies of Syria and Sudan, both of which are listed as state sponsors of terrorism by the U.S. State Department...

At the time of the dinner, according to the Bush campaign's timeline of Cheney's odd self-annointment as the veep nominee, Cheney was not yet a candidate in the vice-presidential selection process he was running, though he was obviously an active adviser to the campaign. His invitation to the dinner may have had as much to do with his business -- until this week he was CEO of the Halliburton Company, a Dallas-based oil-services provider -- as it did with the alliances he, as defense secretary from 1989-1992, forged with Arab nations during the Gulf War.

click here for the story (http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/07/27/cheney/index.html)
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LOL! It's so hard to sort out the good guys from the bad guys.

I'm assuming that John Ashcroft will be targeting Cheney now. Wouldn't that be some stone cold irony.

Warlady

08-20-2002, 09:57 PM

Buzz she didn't just criticize Bush she slandered him with outrageous accusations. Let's be patient and see how her constituents respond to her and her Al Qaeda funded donations. It's in their hands now. ( barring she doesn't cheat. Notice how her stronghold hasn't reported one precinct yet?) Odd wouldn't you say? I am happy to see which side of the fence you are on though. Very enlightening.

Suzie

08-20-2002, 09:58 PM

Maybe when the BUZZ wears off you might want to read this. They are both Demoncrats your only proving OUR point.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "It bothers us that the outside forces are coming in," said the Rev. Gerald Durley, pastor of Atlanta's Providence Missionary Baptist Church. "Many of us believe this is an issue of not getting Majette in, but getting McKinney out."
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SOURCE (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscong182829210aug18.story?coll=ny%2Dnationalnews% 2Dheadlines)

oracle

08-20-2002, 09:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
While we're on the subject of terrorist financial support and the financial support of terrorists, I wonder why this little goodie seems to escape the attention of the rightwing propaganda machine?

...

LOL! It's so hard to sort out the good guys from the bad guys.

I'm assuming that John Ashcroft will be targeting Cheney now. Wouldn't that be some stone cold irony.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So now you are accusing people of being terrorists simply because they are Arabs.

How very tolerant of you.

Warlady

08-20-2002, 10:04 PM

Buzz that article is dated July, 2000. Long before Sept 11th. What is your point?

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08-20-2002, 10:06 PM

Hey BuzzClit,

McKinney is a terrorist sympathizer. You can't blame the Republicans for that.

http://64.246.6.54/%7Eadmin1/funnypics/afrodog.jpg

Suzie

08-20-2002, 10:08 PM

LOL Cheney was supposed to KNOW we were going to be attacked by arab terrorists! Sheesh! He's a fortune teller right?! images/icons/rolleyes.gif http://208.185.249.64/ubb/icons/icon75.gif

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08-20-2002, 10:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by oracle:

So now you are accusing people of being terrorists simply because they are Arabs.

How very tolerant of you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is SO annoying to have to explain the subtlety of our language to its abusers.

I'll give you a hint: for my first post in this thread, look up the word "satire" in the dictionary. Then, scan the half a dozen threads or so on this board dealing with McKinney and her "Arab" funding. If you still don't understand, I can give you the name of someone who can help you with your sense of the absurd.

Suzie

08-20-2002, 10:58 PM

Don't believe it Oracle, BUZZER can't give you the name of anything to back up statements made. And you you did get one it would take all night for BuZZY find something to to post that's 2 ot 3 years old. http://208.185.249.64/ubb/icons/icon75.gif

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08-20-2002, 11:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Suzie:
LOL Cheney was supposed to KNOW we were going to be attacked by arab terrorists! Sheesh! He's a fortune teller right?! images/icons/rolleyes.gif http://208.185.249.64/ubb/icons/icon75.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Terrorism wasn't invented on September 11, 2001; Bush had plans for invading Afghanistan prior to Sept 11 because of their Al-Qaeda connections.

Stay with me on this, Suzie, and I'll explain it so that you can understand:

1) McKinney has received funding from Arab-related sources.

2) When the funding was revealed, she was immediately accused of being un-American and being bought off by terrorists. (Just look through this thread for similar statements.)

3) Cheney was involved in fund-raising for Arabs.

Is Cheney a terrorist? No. Does he support terrorism? Not on purpose. Is McKinney a terrorist? Not unless Cheney is. Does McKinney support terrorism? Not unless Cheney does.

Understand now?

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08-20-2002, 11:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:

It is SO annoying to have to explain the subtlety of our language to its abusers.

I'll give you a hint: for my first post in this thread, look up the word "satire" in the dictionary. Then, scan the half a dozen threads or so on this board dealing with McKinney and her "Arab" funding. If you still don't understand, I can give you the name of someone who can help you with your sense of the absurd.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Buzzclit,

You seem to easily amuse yourself with your own mental masturbation, try the D.U. if want that type of crowd.

pja

08-20-2002, 11:16 PM

Actually, there is a cure for this much battered topic of campaign funding which was offered up by old Allen Keyes years back. It is really simple, too. It goes kind of like this…if you can’t vote for a candidate then you can’t give money to the candidate. So, if you are not a citizen, you can’t vote and you can’t give money to a candidate. If you live outside the candidate’s district then you can’t give money to the candidate. If you are an organization(labor union, corporation, etc.) you can’t vote for any candidate and therefore can’t give money to any candidate. See how easy that is.

Pat (aka pja)

Warlady

08-20-2002, 11:19 PM

Buzz first you claim it's satire then you switch gears. Are you claiming Cheney meeting with Arabs is akin to terrorism? What about the campaign contributions McKinney took after 911? What about her begging Saudi Arabia for the money Guiliani refused? Are you seriously trying to make a connection here?

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08-20-2002, 11:22 PM

pja,

That's a great idea but you know that will never happen. Too many greedy democrats that wouldn't like it if the money dried up.

I like Allen too and I miss him on MSNBC. Does anyone know why they got rid of him? Maybe he made too much sence?

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08-20-2002, 11:25 PM

So what about Cheney meeting with an Arab group that excluded Jews after two embassies were bombed, the trade center was car bombed, and the kobar towers or the Cole.

Meeting with this Arab racist group even when this obviously war situation existed that Clinton was ignoring, even as Ben Laden terrorist family was investing in the Carlyle group.

This works both ways, both parties are equally guilty in my opinion.

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08-20-2002, 11:27 PM

Warlady,

Yes, she is trying to make a connection because it's a desperate attempt to divert attention from the real issue. McKinney is a terrorist sympathizer and a greedy liberal extremist!

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08-20-2002, 11:28 PM

Warlady --

I never switched gears. The ultra-partisans who hate McKinney for her connections fail to see that she is no more connected than Bush and Cheney. It's hilarious!

As you correctly stated, the Saudis offered the money, and Giuliani declined it. (I really liked Giuliani's handling of the whole disaster; it was good to have a leader we could admire during the 48 hours after the terrorist attacks.) McKinney simply offered another conduit for the aid. Are the Saudis terrorists? Well, maybe. Is McKinney un-American for offering to accept the money? Of course not.

If the Saudis are so evil, why isn't the right condemning Bush for allowing the Saudis to fly the bin Laden family out of the U.S. when all other non-military flights were grounded?

If McKinney is a terrorist supporter, then so is Bush and so is Cheney.

Keep it coming, folks. Your double standards are an endless source of amusement for me.

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08-20-2002, 11:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Matt Young:
So what about Cheney meeting with an Arab group that excluded Jews after two embassies were bombed, the trade center was car bombed, and the kobar towers or the Cole.

Meeting with this Arab racist group even when this obviously war situation existed that Clinton was ignoring, even as Ben Laden terrorist family was investing in the Carlyle group.

This works both ways, both parties are equally guilty in my opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Excellent post!

oracle

08-20-2002, 11:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
It is SO annoying to have to explain the subtlety of our language to its abusers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This from the party of "It all depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"?????

What a joke!

No one here is impressed by your condescending behavior.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'll give you a hint: for my first post in this thread, look up the word "satire" in the dictionary. Then, scan the half a dozen threads or so on this board dealing with McKinney and her "Arab" funding. If you still don't understand, I can give you the name of someone who can help you with your sense of the absurd.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was nothing satirical about your first (or your second) post. You really shouldn't try to use words that you don't understand. It doesn't help your image at all.

As far as the threads on McKinney and her Arab (quotes really are not appropriate, they are Arabs) funding are concerned, if you would bother to look at them, you would notice that the overwhelming majority of them were started by me.

What really happened here is that you attempted to imply that Cheney was getting money from a terrorist organization and once it was pointed out that you branding them as terrorists simply because they are Arabs, you attempted to cover your ass by trying to calll it satire. Sorry bucky but no one is buying that. You blew it and you were nailed.

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08-20-2002, 11:33 PM

LOL! You contradict yourself in consecutive paragraphs. Are you doing this on purpose? You're just doing a "grumpy conservative" caricature, right?

pja

08-20-2002, 11:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by hunt4trouble:
pja,

That's a great idea but you know that will never happen. Too many greedy democrats that wouldn't like it if the money dried up.

I like Allen too and I miss him on MSNBC. Does anyone know why they got rid of him? Maybe he made too much sence?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Politicians don't want to lose all that money they are currently getting. Sooner or later the people need to take this political process back. I haven't a clue how, but if we don't get control back into the hands of ordinary folks then our government will continue to be little more than an oligarchy. We already have way too many political families and inbreeding in politics(Kennedys and critters like them).

Allen Keyes is a favorite of mine, too. I never heard exactly why MSNBC booted him. The format of his show seemed very forced and unnatural, IMHO. I didn't care for his television program as much as I have enjoyed his speeches.

Pat (aka pja)

Warlady

08-20-2002, 11:35 PM

Looks very much like McKinney is getting tromped. Sorry Buzz, you lose again.

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08-20-2002, 11:37 PM

I despise McKinney, doofus!

You really don't get it!

oracle

08-20-2002, 11:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
2) When the funding was revealed, she was immediately accused of being un-American and being bought off by terrorists. (Just look through this thread for similar statements.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong again!

McKinney's anti-America feelings were known before the information on her funding was revealed. Her post-9/11 actions received plenty of press at the time.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>3) Cheney was involved in fund-raising for Arabs.

Is Cheney a terrorist? No. Does he support terrorism? Not on purpose. Is McKinney a terrorist? Not unless Cheney is. Does McKinney support terrorism? Not unless Cheney does.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once again you imply that they are terrorists based solely on the fact that they are Arabs.

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08-20-2002, 11:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by pja:
Politicians don't want to lose all that money they are currently getting. Sooner or later the people need to take this political process back. I haven't a clue how, but if we don't get control back into the hands of ordinary folks then our government will continue to be little more than an oligarchy. We already have way too many political families and inbreeding in politics(Kennedys and critters like them).

Allen Keyes is a favorite of mine, too. I never heard exactly why MSNBC booted him. The format of his show seemed very forced and unnatural, IMHO. I didn't care for his television program as much as I have enjoyed his speeches.

Pat (aka pja)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I also like Keyes. Although we don't match up ideologically at all, I find him interesting and sincere. In many ways, he'd make a decent president.

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08-20-2002, 11:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Terrorism wasn't invented on September 11, 2001; Bush had plans for invading Afghanistan prior to Sept 11 because of their Al-Qaeda connections.

Stay with me on this, Suzie, and I'll explain it so that you can understand:

1) McKinney has received funding from Arab-related sources.

2) When the funding was revealed, she was immediately accused of being un-American and being bought off by terrorists. (Just look through this thread for similar statements.)

3) Cheney was involved in fund-raising for Arabs.

Is Cheney a terrorist? No. Does he support terrorism? Not on purpose. Is McKinney a terrorist? Not unless Cheney is. Does McKinney support terrorism? Not unless Cheney does.

Understand now?[/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Buzz when you first posted here I befriended you because I though you may have something to offer to help expand the knowledge of our group. I must now admit to those whom I offended that I was wrong. Your analogy's have now just become childish and ridiculous.

""Is Cheney a terrorist? No. Does he support terrorism? Not on purpose. Is McKinney a terrorist? Not unless Cheney is. Does McKinney support terrorism? Not unless Cheney does.""

To say that Cheney is unamerican because McKinney is. Doesn't show much knowledge n your part. You may as well say your car is red or black because mine is. That you like Collard Greens and chitterlings because I do. Rationale!!! Where???

Warlady

08-20-2002, 11:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
I despise McKinney, doofus!

You really don't get it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you don't get it. You are disingenuous. A flaming phony. You can't seem to make up your mind who you or what you are for. Jerking chains is all you are capable of...serious debate is not in your makeup. The readers will decide.

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08-20-2002, 11:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
I despise McKinney, doofus!

You really don't get it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whos is Doofus???? Certainly you are not implying that someone on this board is????

Cool off and regain your composure for your own benifit.

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08-21-2002, 12:01 AM

LOL! This is all kicks and giggles, BigJohn.

oracle

08-21-2002, 12:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
As you correctly stated, the Saudis offered the money, and Giuliani declined it. (I really liked Giuliani's handling of the whole disaster; it was good to have a leader we could admire during the 48 hours after the terrorist attacks.) McKinney simply offered another conduit for the aid. Are the Saudis terrorists? Well, maybe. Is McKinney un-American for offering to accept the money? Of course not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You neglect to mention that Giuliani rejected the money because the Saudi prince making the offer said that America was to blame for the attacks. For McKinney to turn around and ask for the money from someone that had so callously insulted our county is definitely un-American. Your sad attempt to spin that won't change the facts.

And we did have a leader to admire during those hours, his name was George W. Bush.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>If the Saudis are so evil, why isn't the right condemning Bush for allowing the Saudis to fly the bin Laden family out of the U.S. when all other non-military flights were grounded?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny but this has not been reported by any real news organization. Its only shown up on the anti-Bush sites that don't care about facts.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>If McKinney is a terrorist supporter, then so is Bush and so is Cheney.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You really are quite delusional to even make this statement.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Keep it coming, folks. Your double standards are an endless source of amusement for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are no double standards here. You attempt to distort reality and then whine because reality doesn't match up with your fantasies.

It actually quite amusing, in a sad sort of way.

oracle

08-21-2002, 12:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
LOL! You contradict yourself in consecutive paragraphs. Are you doing this on purpose? You're just doing a "grumpy conservative" caricature, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing contradictory there. And its impossible to be grumpy when McKinney is being sent to the unemployment office.

oracle

08-21-2002, 12:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
LOL! This is all kicks and giggles, BigJohn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe you should think about putting down that crack pipe.

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08-21-2002, 12:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Warlady:
The readers will decide.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, pulllleeeeeeze! Do you really take yourself and this board that seriously? The readers will decide what? Are we running for something? Can I be Miss Congeniality?

But let's look on the dark side -- what will you complain about after McKinney loses this primary? You'll find something, I'm certain.

Suzie

08-21-2002, 12:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
Originally posted by Suzie:
LOL Cheney was supposed to KNOW we were going to be attacked by arab terrorists! Sheesh! He's a fortune teller right?! images/icons/rolleyes.gif http://208.185.249.64/ubb/icons/icon75.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Terrorism wasn't invented on September 11, 2001; Bush had plans for invading Afghanistan prior to Sept 11 because of their Al-Qaeda connections.

Stay with me on this, Suzie, and I'll explain it so that you can understand:

1) McKinney has received funding from Arab-related sources.

2) When the funding was revealed, she was immediately accused of being un-American and being bought off by terrorists. (Just look through this thread for similar statements.)

3) Cheney was involved in fund-raising for Arabs.

Is Cheney a terrorist? No. Does he support terrorism? Not on purpose. Is McKinney a terrorist? Not unless Cheney is. Does McKinney support terrorism? Not unless Cheney does.

Understand now?

OH I understand perfectly first you claim satire, when that made you look like an idiot you tried to come up with something better. Then desperately searched the Internet for something you thought proved your point. Then you found out the story was written BEFORE 9/11 so you had to pull something else out of your ass then, because what you actually had done is show that Cheney was willing to meet with Arabs who at that point their governments had GOOD relations with the US and were needed for foreign trade. When you realized that's what you had done and it showed Cheney in a good light, you tried to profile all Arabs as terrorists and claim that they have been terrorists for YEARS, something you then accuse conservatives of doing with the statement "Bush had plans for invading Afghanistan prior to Sept 11 because of their Al-Qaeda connections." it's a damn shame Clinton was too blind to see what Bush knew should have been done YEARS ago if Clinton WOULD have done it thousands of Americans might be alive today but Billy let Osamma go!

Bwahhh ha ha ha ha. It would be pathetic if it were not so funny how much you have back tracked in every thread! http://208.185.249.64/ubb/icons/icon75.gif

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08-21-2002, 12:14 AM

Some info for the BuzzedClit;

http://www.genxright.com/cynthia-mckinney.gif

McKinney's mouth..

The War on Terrorism is where McKinney's mouth really stated to shine. McKinney penned a Washington Post op-ed, writing "I believe that when it comes to major foreign policy issues, many prefer to have black people seen and not heard." McKinney tongue-lashed New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for turning down a $10 million donation from a Saudi Arabian prince who declared that U.S. Middle East policies were partly to blame for 9-11. Unlike Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton and Republican Congressman John Sununu, McKinney even refused to return large campaign contributions from Abdurahman Alamoudi, who proudly voiced support for terrorists group Hamas and Hezbollah at an October 2000 White House demonstration.
http://www.genxright.com/#mckinney

Lighthouse_MIDI

08-21-2002, 12:37 AM

BuzzClick, I would be very interested in knowing your source which backs up your statement - "If the Saudis are so evil, why isn't the right condemning Bush for allowing the Saudis to fly the bin Laden family out of the U.S. when all other non-military flights were grounded?
I believe the facts contadict your statement. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml
"They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks."
- Lighthouse

MaximumSam

08-21-2002, 12:52 AM

MaximumSam

08-21-2002, 12:52 AM

All this proves is that I was right when I said McKinney was brave for being the sole voice against GW around Sept. 11. She made politically unpopular moves to stand up for her principles. I haven't liked some of the things she has done since, but her actions then make me respect her more than post politicians.

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08-21-2002, 12:52 AM

Lighthouse MIDI --

I checked out your claim, and you are correct. My statement was in error.

Although not nearly as sinister as a secret flight on September 12 or 13, the Bush and bin Laden families have close ties. To claim that, as a result of this relationship, Bush is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer is ludicrous. Similarly, to claim that McKinney is anti-American for her ties to an obscure group of Arabs is foolish.

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08-21-2002, 01:07 AM

Lighthouse_MIDI

08-21-2002, 01:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MaximumSam:
All this proves is that I was right when I said McKinney was brave for being the sole voice against GW around Sept. 11. She made politically unpopular moves to stand up for her principles. I haven't liked some of the things she has done since, but her actions then make me respect her more than post politicians.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Excuse Me? This proves you were right?
Spoken like a true Lib. God, If I ever have to claim something as moronic as this to prove I am right, I hope someone just shoots me. This proves to me that the voters in Georgia see her for what she is - Vermin. I guess she won't be around any longer for any of us to kick around - Eh? images/icons/frown.gif
Poor Cynthia. images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif
- Lighthouse

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08-21-2002, 01:32 AM

If, as predicted, 35% of the registered Republicans in her district crossed over to vote against her, McKinney's loss proves nothing.

RCRichards

08-21-2002, 01:42 AM

McKinney's loss proves that her brand of traitorous politics is hated by all right-thinking Americans.

Buzz, you've made claims that sound like they are coming out of the mouth of the World Socialist Workers Society. Plain and simple, you are a parrot for their LIES that are put out to subvert the war effort.

Face the facts.. either prove that anybody that gave soliticed money to Bush was convicted of any terrorism charges or shut up.

Nemo

08-21-2002, 03:11 AM

Suzie

I read yesterday that the Clinton Whitehouse had a plan which they passed to the Bush Whitehouse. It was still "under reveiw" on September 11, 2001.

Love

Roy

Large_Al

08-21-2002, 08:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MaximumSam:
All this proves is that I was right when I said McKinney was brave for being the sole voice against GW around Sept. 11. She made politically unpopular moves to stand up for her principles. I haven't liked some of the things she has done since, but her actions then make me respect her more than post politicians.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Sam toe that line.

How to you feel about Phyllis Schlafly.
Do you have the same respect for David Duke
How about Tim McVea or that Abortion clinic bomber that is on the loose? Jerry Falwell
Pat Robertson?
You don't have to answer unless you are going to surprise me.

PS you back at school yet.

Warlady

08-21-2002, 08:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MaximumSam:
All this proves is that I was right when I said McKinney was brave for being the sole voice against GW around Sept. 11. She made politically unpopular moves to stand up for her principles. I haven't liked some of the things she has done since, but her actions then make me respect her more than post politicians.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sam, she wasn't brave. She was stupid and it cost her her job. If you recall many many Democrats admonished her for her ludicrous statements. She had to backpedal like a crawfish to say she was just "questioning" Bush rather than accusing him of allowing 911 to happen.

Warlady

08-21-2002, 08:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nemo:
Suzie

I read yesterday that the Clinton Whitehouse had a plan which they passed to the Bush Whitehouse. It was still "under reveiw" on September 11, 2001.

Love

Roy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you're way behind. That so called plan wasn't a plan and in a recent speech Clinton himself said he nixed it because it wouldn't work.

Warlady

08-21-2002, 08:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
If, as predicted, 35% of the registered Republicans in her district crossed over to vote against her, McKinney's loss proves nothing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet she'll disagree with you on that one. Republicans are way outnumbered in the 4th District.

Large_Al

08-21-2002, 09:14 AM

Buzzclik
I'm going to vote for you for poster of the month. You are great.

I'm not trying to be condescending here like you get.

But your arguments are like they have been scripted from the Liberal Playbook.
(I know you aren't a liberal and you don't like labels). Hell even that response is in the playbook.

You make a emotional statement like (undeniable fact) and then when called on that, you can't back them up.
So you change the subject or lower the bar.
If that doesn't work you get condescending or get incensed by something peripheral. ie Cutesy Pictures or Smiley faces.

Keep up the good work!

**DONOTDELETE**

08-21-2002, 09:19 AM

**DONOTDELETE**

08-21-2002, 09:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by RCRichards:
Buzz, you've made claims that sound like they are coming out of the mouth of the World Socialist Workers Society. Plain and simple, you are a parrot for their LIES that are put out to subvert the war effort.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really? Perhaps you could demonstrate that. Quote me, then give us a quote and a link to the World Socialist Workers Society that proves I parrot them.

(We both know you can't do it. Your post was simply bluster.)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by RCRichards:
Face the facts.. either prove that anybody that gave soliticed money to Bush was convicted of any terrorism charges or shut up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Once again, a Bush/Cheney cheerleader is so busy frothing at the mouth that he can't read what's been posted. The entire point of starting this thread is that McKinney has been accused over and again for being un-American and perhaps a terrorist supporter for taking money from so-called Arab groups. Bush/Cheney and Majette have taken money from similar sources and/or supported fund raising efforts by the Arab groups.

The entire point (for the 10th time) is that McKinney is no more guilty of being anti-American than Bush/Cheney.

Will you ever get it?

**DONOTDELETE**

08-21-2002, 09:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Large Al:
Buzzclik
I'm going to vote for you for poster of the month. You are great.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I appreciate your attentiveness and ovations, but I'm spoken for. It really wouldn't work out.

MaximumSam

08-21-2002, 09:31 AM

Al,

How to you feel about Phyllis Schlafly.

I feel like I don't know who that is.

Do you have the same respect for David Duke

I thought he gave up his KKK ways. I can't remember. He, along with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, do stand up for ther eprinciples, but unlike McKinney, they also have a large constituency that believes what they say. McKinney didn't have that.

As far as McVeigh and his ilk, I don't think standing up for principles means you have a license to kill people who disagree with you.

PS you back at school yet.

I am back in school, so I haven't posted as much lately. Thanks for asking.

Warlady

08-21-2002, 09:40 AM

Buzz, so called Arab groups??? McKinney took money from Hamas and Hezbellah and refused to give it back. Those aren't just so called Arab groups. They are terrorist groups.

noon23

08-21-2002, 09:54 AM

Forgive me if this point has already been made...Buzz throws out so many false premises that it's hard to keep up.

RE:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Cheney supported controversial fundraiser
The veep nominee was on the finance committee for an Arab-sponsored charity dinner that excluded Israelis.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe Buzz's point was that "Cheney was involved in fund-raising for Arabs" and then the logical quantum leap "Is McKinney a terrorist? Not unless Cheney is. Does McKinney support terrorism? Not unless Cheney does.

Buzz's article cites "the Mosaic Foundation". Well, there's this:

MOSAIC FOUNDATION DONATES TO DC INSTITUTIONS
October 6, 2001
The Mosaic Foundation today gave donations to the District of Columbia's public schools, and to the Washington Family Relief Fund set up by Riggs Bank. The latter will use the money to provide aid to victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.
http://www.saudiembassy.net/press_release/01-spa/10-06-cult2.htm

Doesn't sound much like a terror organization to me.

And yet, take a look at McKinney's donations on 9/11/01 ALONE! 22 donors of Arab descent give $13,850!
http://www.goodbyecynthia.com/mckinney-9-11.htm

and "18 of McKinney's donors are "officers of Muslim foundations under investigation by the FBI"
http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2002/8/14/152240

As we all know, a common tactic of the left is "muddying the water". Seems our good friend Buzz's cup runneth over... images/icons/wink.gif

Warlady

08-21-2002, 10:05 AM

noon, I call it their "everybody else does it too" defense. It's a lame way to debate and will always lose. Rather than admit that McKinney has no one but herself to blame they have to bend themselves into a pretzel. You're right. All they can do to salvage their disgusting party is to muddy the waters. It's a pathetic state of denial.

noon23

08-21-2002, 10:14 AM

maybe we should start a "Name That Tactic" thread... images/icons/grin.gif

Warlady

08-21-2002, 10:30 AM

Yeah we could call it lies and spin.
I got this in email the other day:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>1. Liberals have debased the Foundation of American families, by distorting its definition, by undermining a parent's authority and ability to act as disciplinarians, and by advocating liberal policies which find 50% divorce rates acceptable - liberals you have purposely undermined America's families - Your Plea. Guilty

2. Liberals have ruined America's system of public education by school busing in the 70's & 80's, by providing parents a lack of school choice in the 90's and by promoting sex education and condom distribution in school today - liberals you have ruined public education - Your Plea. Guilty

3. Liberals have advocated abortion as a form of birth control and now preside after 29 years of the passing of Roe v. Wade over the deaths of 45 million American babies - liberals, to you abortion is a sacrament, you killed 45 million babies - Your Plea. Guilty

4. Liberals have eliminated from the US Constitution the 2nd most important civil right - the right to bear arms while placing in the constitution rights not present therein, such as Gay Rights - liberals you destroyed the 2nd Amendment - Your Plea. Guilty

5. Liberals have given vicious, convicted rapists, murderers, and thieves serving prison terms, rights never conceived by the framers of the Constitution - liberals now give these sick freaks rights to conjugal visits, college educations, and free heart transplants as law abiding citizen die - liberals you are pro-criminal - Your Plea. Guilty

6. Liberals have enacted a confiscatory Tax System at Federal, State, and Local government levels that presumes God-fearing Americans guilty and which leaves average working Americans incapable of supporting their own families and themselves in a proper way - liberals your tax policies are confiscatory and punitive - Your Plea. Guilty

7. Liberals - you have caused racial tensions for 30 years by advocating affirmative action which targets whites for race-discrimination and labels blacks as inferior to whites - these policies state that the cure for discrimination is more discrimination - liberals you cannot solve discrimination by using it - Your Plea. Guilty

8. Liberals - for 30 years your policies have encouraged all forms of illegal immigration causing America to lose its soul - America now has about 20 million illegal residents creating havoc in all American institutions including schools, our criminal justice systems and our social welfare programs - liberals you have shredded America's soul and make easy the ability of terrorists to enter our country - Your Plea. Guilty

9. Liberals - you have pumped cultural garbage into the minds of our children through MTV, sexually provocative videos, and horrible slasher movies resulting in teen pregnancies, the proliferation of STD's and immoral decadence unrivaled in American History - liberals you have stolen from our youth their natural innocence and it is accelerating - Your Plea. Guilty

10. Liberals - by not adequately funding the defense department and the CIA during the Clinton presidency you have put at risk America's survival as a God-fearing, strong and safe nation - liberals you have made constitutionally acceptable the burning of the American Flag on one hand, and the the trashing of our military on the other - Your Plea. Guilty as charged.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PaulRevere

08-21-2002, 11:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BuzzClik:
If, as predicted, 35% of the registered Republicans in her district crossed over to vote against her, McKinney's loss proves nothing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It proves 2 things:
1. America is getting sick of vicious slander coming from leftwing extremists.
2. A lot of Democrats will still vote for radical leftwing hate-filled rascist bigots because they identify with them.

Warlady

08-21-2002, 11:04 AM

A lot of Democrats voted for Majette.

PaulRevere

08-21-2002, 02:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Warlady:
A lot of Democrats voted for Majette.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See my above post #1.

Majette split the Democrat vote. It would be interesting to see if she could have one without the crossover vote, and how the votes broke down by race.

Warlady

08-21-2002, 02:08 PM

I would like to see that information too.

**DONOTDELETE**

08-21-2002, 03:51 PM

I looked at the Atlanta-Journal to see if it gave any numbers for the xover voters and it did not. McKinney lost be about 19,000 votes,
U.S. HOUSE DISTRICT 4

174 of 174 precincts reporting.

Democrats Votes Pct.

x- Denise Majette 68,612 58

Cynthia McKinney (i)49,058 42

Republicans Votes Pct.

r- Cynthia Van Auken 2,169 39

r- Catherine Davis 1,910 34

Barbara Pereira 1,515 27

source... (http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/election2002/dekalbchart.html)

The AJC said,"A swarm of Republicans from north DeKalb County and indifference from Democrats in south DeKalb put an end Tuesday to the 10-year congressional career of Cynthia McKinney." source (http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/election2002/21fourth.html), but puts no numbers to the 'swarm'.