Limbaugh Says 10-Year Marriage at an End

[Suzie]

Limbaugh Says 10-Year Marriage at an End

13 minutes ago

By JILL BARTON, Associated Press Writer

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh announced Friday that he and his wife, Marta, are divorcing.


The Limbaughs "mutually decided to end their marriage of 10 years" and have "separated pending an amicable resolution," according to a statement released by Limbaugh's publicist.

More Here (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040611/ap_en_ce/people_limbaugh_divorce_4)

Wow this hasn't been his year.

[SunnyBrook]

I was concerned this might happened. He sure hasn't mentioned her much since his drug addiction was revealed.

[Politicalmom]

Yep. I haven't heard "the lovely and gracious Marta" for YEARS.

[DesertFox]

Well, much as I like Limbaugh, he seems to be one of those one-dimensional people whose life is his profession. I understand he barely holds up his end of a conversation, and the other party has to initiate it or silence obtains. It's hard to feature your standard-issue woman living with that.

[UnkHiram]

Tis a shame, I would not wish martial problems on anyone.

[Warlady]

I used to chat with Marta online. She was crazy about Rush. I have a feeling she just couldn't deal with his addiction. This is not uncommon. Once the addict is no longer addicted their enabler feels like they're not needed any longer. She probably put up with a lot while he was in the throes of his addiction. It's not easy.

[Suzie]

She has to be disappointed in him. The addiction and the following scandal has cost him a lot. I hope he can turn things around for himself. But now it doesn't seem possible maybe as time passes he can move on.

Heck even I am dissapointed in him, and I never listened to his show. It's rare I listen to the radio anymore, but I think he has helped the libs have another angle to thumb their nose at conservatives, and that is truly disappointing. .

[DesertFox]

You don't divorce because you're disappointed.

[ducktapehero]

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DesertFox said:
You don't divorce because you're disappointed.

[/ QUOTE ]Well you shouldn't but people do it all the time.

[Suzie]

Maybe I don't ... maybe you don't ... maybe SHE does. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Warlady]

Suzie perhaps if you had listened to his show you wouldn't be so disappointed in him. Rush Limbaugh has done as much for the conservative movement as Ronald Reagan did. Now remember before you jump down my throat I said "conservative movement" not the world. Thanks to Rush Limbaugh many Republicans have been elected including GW Bush. I can't speak for Marta but I know if my husband had an addiction problem I wouldn't divorce him over it. I've lived with addiction. My Father was an alcoholic. You don't divorce over hard times, difficult times. If that were the case Warlord and I would have left each other years ago. Nancy would have had Ronnie put to sleep. Well, I think you get my drift. You stay together during the hard times. I am highly disappointed in Marta. She is obviously a fair weather wife.

[Rink]

Whatever happened to the vows?

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I ______., take thee, ________., for my lawful wedded wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, till death do us part.

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I will reserve my opinion over both till I know more.

[Warlady]

Marta was a complete unknown until she sent Rush her photo in an email picking him up so to speak. I imagine she got more than she gave.

[Rink]

I dunno they met as pen pals, thats my understanding of it.

Well I just hope something good comes of this somewhere.

[Suzie]

Oh I agree it's not a reason to divorce, and heaven knows I UNDERSTAND difficult things in a marriage. I haven't bailed out on any of them either. Maybe if I did listen I would "know him" better. It just seems like a bitter pill to swallow when you consider how bold he was with "the way things ought to be" when you think that things weren't the way they ought to be in his own life. I guess I prefer men of action rather than men of words when it comes down to it. I would have preferred he chose to do more with his views than a radio show, but that's just me. I know the media can be a good tool but I am usually not impressed by it. Sean Hannity would probably be the only one I truly like, but I am betting he might just run for senate or congress someday, he has that fire. There is nothing wrong with helping the conservative media, and it is a good thing to get the word out. But personally those types just don't interest me enough to follow them. If they put something good out I will read it but I could never be a "ditto head" because that kind of following from me needs more action, people who have actually served the country in a less self promoting way. Just an opinion, no one has to agree. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Warlady]

That's a good thing Suz, because I don't agree. Not at all. You have no idea whose fault it is this marriage failed nor is it anyone's right to judge someone's career. To say I'm just a little disappointed is an understatement. Did you know that Ronald Reagan wrote Rush Limbaugh a letter thanking him?

[Suzie]

Like I said I didn't "know him" at all, he has never captured my attention. I don't listen to the radio. WV only showed his short lived TV show at 2 AM. That's just not the kind of personality I follow. I say that of any media person, it just isn't my "thing" I read articles if they are good ones, but I will never develop a following of any kind of media person as an individual. Actions always speak louder than words for me.

[Dania]

I would never condem Marta (or anyone) for giving up on a marriage....
(been there, done that, had my own reasons)....it's not for me to judge.

But I would also state that it can't have been easy for her to be the wife of such a politikal target. The FACT that he helped his opponents target him, by his own addiction, doesn't help matters.

Bottom line, I used to faithfully watch the Rush tv show during the Clinturd era. I LOVED the spot where he played (over and over again) Clinton at Ron Brown's funeral....laughing, until he saw the camera on him.....and then he immediately put on his 'I'm so sad' face.

Once Rush left TV, I stopped even listening to him. I felt that he had abandoned conservatives at a crucial time (yet another Herbert Bush, wussying out on us).

However.....SINCE this latest leftist attempt to silence/nail/coffin Rush.....I have found myself listening to his radio streaming program every SINGLE day.

No apologies. The lefties MADE me into a Ditto-head, after all these years!

So freakin BE IT.

[Suzie]

There isn't anything wrong with being a ditto head either, it just isn't something I would do.

Now if we can find another General Patton, I will sell T-shirts and start the fan club. That's MY kind of personna to follow!

[Rink]

I prefer MacArthur myself over Patton, but then again both were incredible Generals of America

[Suzie]

Patton had the tanks, the tanker will always come first in my heart ... with good reason. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon129.gif

[Warlady]

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Suzie said:
Like I said I didn't "know him" at all, he has never captured my attention. I don't listen to the radio. WV only showed his short lived TV show at 2 AM. That's just not the kind of personality I follow. I say that of any media person, it just isn't my "thing" I read articles if they are good ones, but I will never develop a following of any kind of media person as an individual. Actions always speak louder than words for me.

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Then why pass judgement on someone you don't know? That's like those who came after Reagan trying to judge him when they don't know what they're talking about. I see no difference. If you don't know what you're talking about it's best to hold your tongue. That's the way I try to be. I'm old enough to know both so I can judge them both and I love them both.

[Suzie]

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But I would also state that it can't have been easy for her to be the wife of such a politikal target. The FACT that he helped his opponents target him, by his own addiction, doesn't help matters.


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I am not judging the divorce, Dania follows him and her views are the same as mine. My beef with him is he helped his opponents target him, just as she says. So many people do follow him, Dania is correct that is a fact, a fact that disappoints me because he did have such a following, even if he can't help it... it still disappoints me. My KIDS disappoint me sometimes, but I don't see that as being hateful. I just hoped they would do something better. I don't think any less of them. In Rushs case I can't think any less of him ... I don't know THAT much about him, but I do know what he has been all about and as Dania said he isn't helping by giving them a target with this.

[CatKozTX]

That's a rotten shame and feel badly for both Rush and Marta. I wouldn't propose to know or assume the reasons for the divorce and frankly, it's none of our business. Regardless of the reason, I'm sure it will not be a picnic for either of them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif

[defendingliberty]

I hope he gets custody of the cats....

[CaliGirl]

I am in shock about Rush and Marta! I know Marta was Rush's 3rd wife and Rush was Marta's 2nd husband.

[Blowback]

Well, let's look at the bright side: At least now Rush can set both sides of his sleep-number bed to "65".

[Warlady]

All I can say is that Marta is no Nancy Reagan.

[Suzie]

Amen to that, but then very few people are. If ever there was a couple that was meant to be it was the Reagans. But he didn't find her the first time either, so Rush still has hope for finding his true love the second time around.

[CaliGirl]

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Suzie said:
Amen to that, but then very few people are. If ever there was a couple that was meant to be it was the Reagans. But he didn't find her the first time either, so Rush still has hope for finding his true love the second time around.

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Marta was Rush's 3rd wife, 3 strikes and he's out! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jk.gif

[RayChuang]

I have this feeling that Rush Limbaugh III may be considering moving out of Florida and finding a new home before the end of this year.

I'm hoping that he returns to his old adopted home town of Sacramento, CA and re-acquaint himself with the friends that started him on his rise to fame.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Marriage is a bizarre art form of practiced tension like the Wallenda Brothers(we won't get into them, considering the manner in which they perished). Sometimes there is very little ulcer medication for it. But, perspective is always the saving grace. Whenever I'm in the doghouse, I take out pool acid and, very carefully with a dropper, dispense a half dozen drops in my right eye...

...& while reeling in pain, I slowly get up, go back into the house and endure any more that she is willing to administer and dish out. There is very little comparison, in terms of acute pain, between a shrill harridan on the rag and the kind of damage undiluted HCl can do upon one's cornea.

Its about degrees. Little hash marks on the dial of one's tolerance level. The threshold of going off like a tachometer meter suddenly snapping right off completely. Its best to guard yourself in these instances. Get nutty in times like these. Walk into the garage, get away, drive, whatever. Find your peace and nourish it like a hungry raging infant. It is your only option. The "other" options are what you read about in the paper.

[Suzie]

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CaliGirl said:

Marta was Rush's 3rd wife, 3 strikes and he's out! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jk.gif

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Ooopshttp://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/think/34.gif ... Yikes. Well lets hope his luck (or whatever) changes. http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/agree/5.gif

[CaliGirl]

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RayChuang said:
I have this feeling that Rush Limbaugh III may be considering moving out of Florida and finding a new home before the end of this year.

I'm hoping that he returns to his old adopted home town of Sacramento, CA and re-acquaint himself with the friends that started him on his rise to fame.

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I wondered about that also, since Suzie posted this news. Isn't Rush out in CA a lot for golfing?

[HarvickFan29]

I thought something was up when on the radio earlier in the week, he said he's only got his cats to talk to. That was my clue.

I hate to see any marriage end. I just hope it doesn't turn nasty for him.

[HarvickFan29]

Suzie, Rush Limbaugh is a man like any other. He's only human, and he's not supposed to live his life how we think he should. I'm not disappointed in him because his addiction was due to back surgery and chronic pain.

He's a target because he speaks the truth against the opposition, and he will remain one as long as he continues to speak the truth.

[Suzie]

Yes but he got drugs illegally. I am sorry for his pain but I believe what he did was the wrong answer for it. I would be disappointed in anyone who does that. Even if it was a member of my own family. Just because someone disappoints you it doesn't mean you think they are evil or non human, I don't care who they are. But you can wish they made better choices. At least that's my definition.

[HarvickFan29]

His personal choices are none of our business. I don't defend or condemn his choices because they are HIS to make. It's not up to me to be disappointed or not because I don't personally know the total him.

Yes, he did obtain drugs without a prescription because of his addiction but it didn't start that way. He did finally find the courage and strength to get help and get off those drugs as well.

[HarvickFan29]

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CaliGirl said:

Marta was Rush's 3rd wife, 3 strikes and he's out! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jk.gif

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I'm glad you were kidding.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

We must never set our sights on humans because humans will always fail, and fail us. We must lift our vision to above, set our sights on a higher plane and try ever so hard not to be so hurt when others failures prove true.

I have been, and most likely (barring his politcal party switch) be a ditto-head. My father "turned-me-on-to" Rush, and I have listened and watched (his old TV show) ever since. I was saddened with the news of his addiction, but my heart also understood the actions of an addicted man. I have suffered addiction of my own, and more often than not the ones we love suffer far more and far worse than we ever could. I am again saddened by the news of his failed marriage -- but failure doesn't have to be an ending, it can also be a beginning. We have a chance to start again, the began anew, to change ourselves and the paths we follow.

My thoughts are to pray -- for Marta, that she might seek counsel from above, for Rush that he do the same, and for all those directly and indirectly effected by this course of action. I pray for peace, for comfort, for the knowledge of what comes next and for doing the right thing.

May God bless both Marta and Rush.

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[Suzie]

I have kids, drugs are too big of a problem in this world to not condemn it when ANYBODY abuses them. Everyone here condemns "personal choices" all the time, just because he hasn't hit Courtney Love level doesn't make his drug abuse any better. It was a mistake, a lot of people make them. But I am not going to say it was okay with me just because I don't now him.

[HarvickFan29]

Recreational abuse and use due to chronic pain and from a failed back surgery turning into abuse are different. Too bad you can't draw the dinstinction.

[Suzie]

Not when you get them illegally.

[Suzie]

You do realize the people who sell them illegally also sell other illegal drugs. Giving them money just helps them bring more of that poision to our kids.

[HarvickFan29]

Of course he obtained them illegally. He was doing more than what doctors would prescribe. He was addicted. I'm talking of the difference of how he became addicted, not how he obtained the drugs.

[CaliGirl]

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CaliGirl said:

Marta was Rush's 3rd wife, 3 strikes and he's out! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jk.gif

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I'm glad you were kidding.

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Yup! I was kidding about the 3 strikes. I couldn't help myself living in CA. I started listening to Rush when female callers had to have a picture of them self before he would talk to them. Back then, I thought it was strange. He use to belittle females [my opinion] until he married Marta. He was a complete different person [for the good] after his marriage. We might never know the truth of his divorce, but I will CONTINUE to listen to him every day as I have since day 1!

[Suzie]

But you can't ignore that, more money to drug dealers means more drugs. I said I am sorry for his pain, I know that can be horrible. But giving money to drug dealers just brings a different kind of pain to a LOT of families. To ME it's disapointing he made that choice.

[Riverboat]

Rush, thrice married, Marta twice, right? Idunno. Maybe Marta was a publicity hound, maybe Rush was hard to get along with, but politically astute. Like Newt Gingrich.

I'll be honest - I haven't truly enjoyed listening to Rush except when Walter Williams or some other host is on his mike. I appreciate the Conservative Moment Rush inspired, and his TV show was second to none. But, YAWN!. Rush.

[Warlady]

Excuse me but it has not been determined that he obtained his drugs illegally. Don't you think we should wait until his trial before we convict him? Unless you all are willing to accept the word of a maid who has an agenda over his word. I'm not. I may be gullible where Rush is concerned but I think he deserves at least our faith in waiting until he's convicted of buying drugs illegally. He hasn't admitted to that yet.

[Warlady]

Boat have you listened to Rush lately? I listened to him the past few days and he was on top of his game. Why are we attacking him while he's down? I just don't do that to my friends and I consider Rush a friend.

[Suzie]

A spokes person for his radio station says he admits it, that's all I am going on.
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Bellows said Limbaugh, who recently completed treatment for addiction to prescription painkillers, recognizes that he may have purchased drugs illegally under Florida law and "certainly had more pills than he could ever use." In a later interview, however, she denied making that last comment.

Bellows said Limbaugh never intended to sell the drugs. "He wants this thing to go away," she said. "He won't admit to anything he didn't do."


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MORE HERE (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/22/limbaugh.hearing/)

But those of you who listen to him will know more than I do I am sure.

[Suzie]

This article sums up my views on the matter pretty well...

When Heroes Stumble (http://toogoodreports.com/column/general/ellis/20031013.htm)

I couldn't say it better myself.

[HarvickFan29]

Warlady, Rush did the drugs for 5 yrs. It is more than likely that he had to obtain them illegally. I don't need to wait for Rush to admit to something before I use my own common sense about it.

[HarvickFan29]

I never have looked at Rush as my hero. He's a conservative radio personality who makes mistakes just like anyone else. He's a man who has overcome personal adversity, and I'm sure he'll bounce back from divorce just as he has everything else he has struggled with.

[Riverboat]

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Warlady said:
Boat have you listened to Rush lately? I listened to him the past few days and he was on top of his game. Why are we attacking him while he's down? I just don't do that to my friends and I consider Rush a friend.

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I'm not attacking him. I just don't find him as interesting as I used to. I've been saying this for some time now, certainly long before I learned of his impending divorce - today. As I said, I thank him for all he has done for talk radio, and I set my clock to his syndicated TV show. And what became of that anyway?

I listen to his show when I'm driving anywhere. I also listen to Sean Hannity (my favorite) as well as Michael Savage (haven't made up my mind about him). I REALLY wish Michael Medved were back on in my area.

[HarvickFan29]

Medved used to sit in for Rush on his radio show but it has been years since he has done so. That's how I first heard of Medved.

[Blowback]

I used to listen to Rush everyday until the election year started. Then I started to grow tired of his increasingly close-minded partisan tirades. I am a Republican and share many of Rush's beliefs, but I also believe in open-minded discourse. Rush has this fear of really listening to and holding discussions with those who disagree with him. I can't learn anything from Rush because he will always spin everything to fit his ultra-conservative point of view. Where's the balance? And anyone who takes Rush's every word for gospel is just as one-dimensional as he is.

And those of you who will flame me for saying that will only lend credence to my point.

I now listen to O'Reilly, and that's about it. I like his attempts to analyze events from several different perspectives. I always feel like I've gained something after listening to his show, even if my opinions on the issues remain the same.

Besides, two hours of political talk radio per day are way more than enough for me.

[Incident_command]

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Rink said:
I prefer MacArthur myself over Patton, but then again both were incredible Generals of America

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Many thought MacArther should have been court martialed for his lack of preperation in the Philippines in 1941, and also for his refusal to believe the Chinese would enter the Korean war after an incredible amount of intelligence was presented to him.

[Samcat]

Well, it takes two to tango and two for a marriage to work.

As far as I am concerned, this is a private matter between Marta and Rush, and that is the way it should be.

As for the prescription drugs, well that should be another topic, shouldn't it?

[Rink]

well i dunno whether he can predict military outcomes in that regard, but when the chinese did enter the fray he did his best to protect his men, and everytime he sent a repor as to what he was to do, where to go and what his plans were, he got chewed up on the battlefield, he fgot to lying about what it was he was gonna do to congress due to that fact, because someone was leaking this troop movements to the chinese and they were chewing his troops up.

That is why he got removed from service.

I dunno whether any general should have been courtmartialled for not being able to predict an ally's intent to enter a military fray or not, he isnt a politician, that i think is in the field of Politicians more than that of generalship.

Both Patton and MacArthur were fantastic generals worthy of our respect.

That is why I respect them both.

[terri]

I'm sorry for Rush and Marta. Life in a fish bowl is never easy. I doubt that the left will try to gain any traction on this. They change spouses like most people change socks.

As for Rush and his drug abuse, doesn't it prove that he's human with human failings? Most men and women who have achieved greatness in their lives have done so by overcoming adversity. Patton was dyslexic. Try graduating from West Point when you can't read. And his mouth was his own worst enemy.

I'm sorry for Rush and for his wife. But you know something, they beat the odds. For couples married more than once, divorce tends to hit 'before' the seventh year.

[Warlady]

I just don't understand this get Rush mentality is all I'm saying. Blowback you prefer O'Reilly over Rush? I don't need to say a thing. You've already said it. Besides telling us that if we disagree with you only proves your point is silly.

[Suzie]

From the story (http://toogoodreports.com/column/general/ellis/20031013.htm) I posted.

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The Bible has something else to say about right and wrong, about moral failures and our responsibility for them. It says that everyone has sinned and falls short of the glory (standard) of God; sounds like God is pretty judgmental and lacking in compassion, eh? It also says sin entered into the world through the ancestor of every human being (Adam), and through our ancestral father, sin and death became the common malady of mankind (Romans 5:12).

The Bible tells us in Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." The Bible does not, however, tell us that if we refuse to judge anyone else, then we get a free pass for our own sins. We are not to pass moral judgment as if we were morally superior and blameless. But it does tell us we must make moral discernments, or judgments, about what is right and wrong. Jesus told Simon in Luke 7:43 that he had "judged correctly" and Jesus didn't condemn him for exercising this judgment. Peter and John encouraged others to judge right and wrong in Acts 4:19. 1 Corinthians 6:2 says Christians will someday judge the world, and says we should be competent to make judgments in lesser cases. In 1 Corinthians 10:15 Paul invites the Corinthian church to judge what he has said. In 1 Corinthians 2:14 Paul tells the church to discern (judge) whether a thing is of God. In Philippians Paul tells the church to discern (judge) what is best.


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[terri]

I think I might understand the Get Rush mentality. He's reached a peak of success that others, for whatever reason, are struggling too or can not attain. To see the big man fall gives some a sense of satisfaction.

My thoughts are my own and I'm sure that there are other reasons for the Get Rush mentality; however, this to me is the most obvious.

[JonECat]

He harps on the sanctity of Marriage, yet he's been married (and now divorced) three times, he says drug users ought to be locked up but doesn't include himself. He'd make the perfect politician. Says one thing, and does another.

It appears as though the Good Ship Morality has once again hit an iceberg.

[HarvickFan29]

It's funny how people hold Rush up as some perfect model, and when they find out he is human and makes mistakes, they are disappointed in his actions. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Jon, it sounds like you don't listen to Rush because like most people, you are taking his views totally out of context.

[MaximumSam]

Getting divorced three times and getting hooked on drugs is hardly your run of the mill "mistake."

[HarvickFan29]

I wondered when the liberal voice of morality would chime in! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I NEVER said they were small mistakes.

[Suzie]

Who said he was a perfect model?

[Maggie_T]

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Blowback said:
I used to listen to Rush everyday until the election year started. Then I started to grow tired of his increasingly close-minded partisan tirades. I am a Republican and share many of Rush's beliefs, but I also believe in open-minded discourse. Rush has this fear of really listening to and holding discussions with those who disagree with him. I can't learn anything from Rush because he will always spin everything to fit his ultra-conservative point of view. Where's the balance? And anyone who takes Rush's every word for gospel is just as one-dimensional as he is.

And those of you who will flame me for saying that will only lend credence to my point.



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Blow, I certainly won't flame you. My husband grew tired of Rush, too. He says he's too full of himself and too pompous. He also says that Rush never lets his callers finish their saying, he immediately interrupts them to hear himself talk. I can't say as I never listen to Rush because I'm at work and we're not allowed radios there. But I believe my husband. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hubby listens to Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Neal Boortz (sp?) now. Though he still will occasionally go to Rush. But not often.

Now, get ready for all the Rush-hating liberals to come down on us like a ton of bricks about Rush's "anti-Christian values", his "hypocrisy." /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Brace yourselves, guys.

[DeclinetoState]

Sam, Rush got hooked on a painkiller because he was IN PAIN. I don't say what he did was right, but it is understandable. Getting hooked on a painkiller because one is in pain (I won't insult you by shouting it again) is not in any way, shape, or form like getting addicted to pot or some other drug only because (one thinks) he or she has nothing better to do.

Unfortunately, divorce is very common among celebrities. Part of it is that celebrity tends to give one a certain attitude toward others (call it lack of humility, although there may be a better word or phrase) that can be and often is poison to marriages.

[Suzie]

Maggie from what little I have seen of him I agree with your husband.

I can't understand why the word disappointed has sent so many of you into a frenzy. Are you NEVER dissapointed in someone you think should know better, even the people you LOVE? If so why not others you see who do the same? I say that to my kids sometimes when I KNOW they could have made a better choice.

[JonECat]

Maggie spells it out nicely (as usual). I used to listen to Rush quite often, especially when we had Whitewater, Impeachment and HillaryCare affecting us. After which it became irrelevant, and the same thing everyday. Plus the fact that at his worst, he's a pompous blowhard (I guess I can add Hypocrite to that description, now) who likes to hear himself talk, yes, others like O'Rielly like to hear themselves talk, but they at least have something to say.

I don't like/and am not piling when a guy is down, but he's preached the exact opposite of his actions for so many years, now the real truth comes out. According to Rush, he should be thrown in jail and executed for being a drug user. Forget the fact that he's never done a thing wrong in the past, the mere fact that he recreationally uses drugs makes him worthy of prison time. Maybe he should put his money where his mouth is.

[DoctorDoom]

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I used to listen to Rush everyday until the election year started. Then I started to grow tired of his increasingly close-minded partisan tirades. I am a Republican and share many of Rush's beliefs, but I also believe in open-minded discourse. Rush has this fear of really listening to and holding discussions with those who disagree with him. I can't learn anything from Rush because he will always spin everything to fit his ultra-conservative point of view. Where's the balance? And anyone who takes Rush's every word for gospel is just as one-dimensional as he is.

And those of you who will flame me for saying that will only lend credence to my point.

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DAMN, dude! That REEKS of liberalism.

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I used to listen to Rush everyday until the election year started. Then I started to grow tired of his increasingly close-minded partisan tirades.

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You speak of partisanship as though it's a bad thing. Should he kiss the asses of the RATs just to be nice? One would think that after the last 20 years, anyone with more than one functioning neuron would be acutely aware that sucking up to the RATs is unproductive and self-destructive.

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I am a Republican and share many of Rush's beliefs, but I also believe in open-minded discourse.

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One doesn't have "open-minded discourse" with rabid animals. One puts them down.

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Rush has this fear of really listening to and holding discussions with those who disagree with him.

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Your lame attempt at psychoanalysis is 100% uninformed opinion. He has ALWAYS put liberals at the head of the caller queue. But, almost without exception, they are incapable of a rational discussion. They fall back on name-calling and the same tired p-c rhetoric that any listener to Rush's program has heard a hundred times before.

Why the hell should he waste his air time with those assholes?

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I can't learn anything from Rush because he will always spin everything to fit his ultra-conservative point of view.

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Wel, golly gosh gee willikers, he should repent in sackcloth and ashes for the crime of being politically opinionated. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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Where's the balance?

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Spare us that pathetic lament. When you can show us the "balance" at ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, CNN, NYT, LAT, Time, and the thousands of other liberal house organs, then perhaps we might take your objection seriously.

You whiners demand "balance" from Rush and Fox News. What an asinine notion that is. If they don't "balance" their material by planting warm, wet liplocks on liberal buttcheeks, they are one-sided.

It's clue time. When there are a thousand pounds of weights on one pan of a scale and a one-pound weight on the other pan, the bullshit notion that the one-pound weight must be cut in half and placed on both pans for "balance" is so stupid that only a liberal can suggest it.

As Rush says, "I don't need balance. I AM the balance."

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And anyone who takes Rush's every word for gospel is just as one-dimensional as he is.

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I don't know of anyone who does. His listeners THINK, unlike the brain-dead couch vegetables who absorb every syllable from the lying mouths of the network talking hairdos without the slightest thought.

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And those of you who will flame me for saying that will only lend credence to my point.

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The word you want is "credibility", not "credence". IAC, your post is devoid of it.

[HarvickFan29]

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Suzie said:
Who said he was a perfect model?

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Did I say anyone said that?

In general, it's the reaction from people that gives the impression.

[JonECat]

Talent on loan from Gawwwd?

Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair?

Who says he's a perfect role model, apparently he does.

[MaximumSam]

Sam, Rush got hooked on a painkiller because he was IN PAIN. I don't say what he did was right, but it is understandable. Getting hooked on a painkiller because one is in pain (I won't insult you by shouting it again) is not in any way, shape, or form like getting addicted to pot or some other drug only because (one thinks) he or she has nothing better to do.

Hey, I work in drug enforcement, so I have seen all stories for why people get hooked on drugs. Sure, I have sympathy for him, but I also have sympathy for crackheads. My point is that everyone can be excused of his misdeeds for "being human," but that doesn't say much for the millions of us who avoid drug addiction and divorce.

[DoctorDoom]

He has never claimed to be anything other than an entertainer, a radio personality. And what he does is obviously what a shitload of people want to hear, given his huge audience every day.

As for his being fair to liberals, if only half of his brain is restrained, he's still a hundred times too much for the liberals to handle.

[Politicalmom]

Man, some of you need to get a sense of humor. Rush is all about satire and exaggeration. He is pompous, but it is FUNNY.

He always puts leftists to the front of the caller line....of course, he proceeds to then make them look like the idiots they are.

I stopped listening to Rush for a while, but have started up again because he is unfailingly optimistic, which I have needed recently.

[Incident_command]

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JonECat2002 said:


According to Rush, he should be thrown in jail and executed for being a drug user.

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I don't remember him saying that. Do you have a source to quote?

[HarvickFan29]

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JonECat2002 said:
Talent on loan from Gawwwd?

Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair?

Who says he's a perfect role model, apparently he does.

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Thanks for proving my point that you're taking his words out of context. And you proved you don't listen to the show. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I totally understood his addiction to pain killers. I agreed that he was being singled out for prosecution and harassment. However, this latest development is, well, disappointing.

I, too, thought he was more decent to women (and more interesting to listen to) after he married Marta.

[HarvickFan29]

Sure, I have sympathy for him, but I also have sympathy for crackheads.

Figures! But, why would anyone have sympathy for a crackhead? A crackhead is a recreational user who didn't do crack for medicinal purposes for chronic pain. What has that to do with Rush?

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[ThomasIsUnderrated]

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JonECat2002 said:
Talent on loan from Gawwwd?

Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair?

Who says he's a perfect role model, apparently he does.

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Oh, come on, Jon!

Please don't tell me you actually see proof of hubris in those words! Those lines are great examples of hyperbole.

[HarvickFan29]

I say that to my kids sometimes when I KNOW they could have made a better choice.

Is Rush one of your kids?

[MaximumSam]

Figures! But, why would anyone have sympathy for a crackhead? A crackhead is a recreational user who didn't do crack for medicinal purposes for chronic pain. What has that to do with Rush?

Many crackheads also don't have millions and millions of dollars.

[JonECat]

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Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be
convicted and they ought to be sent up."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995 show transcript.

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Just not you, right Rush?

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What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use, too many whites are getting away with drug sales, too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995 show transcript

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Including You, Rush?

[Incident_command]

And the quote on execution?

[Timberwolf]

He's been accused. He's NOT been formally charged, and likely won't be because there'e no proof that he was doing anythng wrong.

I'M one of those people to whom he refers in those quotes of yours Jon. Two decades ago, *I* was using illgal drugs RECREATIONALLY and selling to boot.

Why don't you post the entire context of what he was saying? Because, if memory serves, he was speaking to rich white folk snorting cocaine like it was penny candy and getting away with it because they were rich.

Correct me if I'm wrong...please, I insist.

[Suzie]

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Incident_command said:
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JonECat2002 said:


According to Rush, he should be thrown in jail and executed for being a drug user.

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I don't remember him saying that. Do you have a source to quote?

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There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods, which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.

...We are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country.... This country certainly appears to be tolerant, forgive and forget. I mean, you know as well as I do, you go out and commit the worst murder in the world and you just say you're sorry, people go, "Oh, OK. A little contrition."... People say, "I feel better. He said he's sorry for it." We're becoming too tolerant, folks.

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (10/5/95)

These tough sentencing laws were instituted for a reason. The American people, including liberals, demanded them. Don't you remember the crack cocaine epidemic? Crack babies and out-of-control murder rates? Liberal judges giving the bad guys slaps on the wrist? Finally we got tough, and the crime rate has been falling ever since, so what's wrong?

--RushLimbaugh.com (8/18/03)

In the audio link below, I go into detail about these non-thinking talking points that "you can't tell people what to do with their bodies" and "you can't legislate morality." First of all, we tell people what they can do to their bodies all the time--no cocaine, no prostitution, no throwing yourself off a building. Second, laws are nothing but defining morality!

--RushLimbaugh.com (6/27/03)

All right. Joe Fernandez came to New York from Miami, ladies and gentlemen, to be schools chancellor.... Now he is embattled--he's got a book that just came out, an autobiography that's soon to come out, I think, in which he admits that he was a mainliner as a teen-ager. This guy [pretends to stick needle in arm]--pfsst--shot up heroin. And people are praising him. He overcame the scourge. He triumphed over that profound obstacle in his life and has gone on to become this great schools chancellor.... [Plays a clip of Fernandez saying that the message of his teenage drug use is "to not give up on our kids."]

Reach out and try to help them, not give up on the kids, give them condoms and teach them about a bunch of stuff that is worthless in terms of preparing them for their future as adults in the greatest country on Earth, teaching them all this social gobbledygook. "Let's not forget about the kids."...


Whoa. The guy wants to be education secretary, folks. Watch out. Now why does he want to go to Washington? Probably because he's studied the case of Marion Barry. Here's a guy who got involved in drugs. You want to see my Marion Barry impersonation? Do you want to see that? All right. I'll do the Marion Barry impersonation.


You put some stuff out here on the table and you go [pretends to snort cocaine]. "You tell Jesse to stay out of my town. This is my town, and Jesse--you tell him to stay out. [More snorting.] And I said no, no, no, no, I don't smoke it no more. Tired of ending up on the floor." [More snorting.]


So what is he? He gets involved in drugs and ends up, ladies and gentlemen, as a newly elected official in Washington, D.C.... So I'm sure Joe Fernandez is looking down there saying, "Hey, there's a future for, you know, drug users in Washington, D.C."

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (12/8/92)

When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks.

--Rush Limbaugh radio show (quoted in the L.A. Times, 8/20/95)

I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...

What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it….And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility. It's up to the people who are doing it. And Colangelo is right.

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (9/23/93)

I have a solution for Mrs. [Jocelyn] Elders. I mean, if she wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich and let's be rid of them. Now...The problem with legalizing drugs is, it's just another abhorrent example of human behavior that we've suddenly decided, "Hey, we can't handle it. We've given up and we're going to sanction the destruction of lives. We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy, and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs--we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."...

I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish.

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (12/9/93)


SOURCE (http://www.fair.org/extra/0311/limbaugh-drugs.html)

[Suzie]

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HarvickFan29 said:
I say that to my kids sometimes when I KNOW they could have made a better choice.

Is Rush one of your kids?


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Sheesh do you really need to ask that question? Since you seem to miss the point I will try again... I am disappointed in MYSELF sometimes, there is NO SHAME in disapointment. It just means you should have known better.

[Warlady]

Suzie are you saying you don't know the difference between recreational drug use and being medically dependent on pain killers from chronic pain? I don't think that makes Rush a hypocrite because he's against recreational drug users.

[Suzie]

I am saying that IF he got them illegally, there isn't a difference because giving money to people who sell drugs illegally just creates more illegal drugs. If it is true, and he admits he had a "problem" he couldn't get an abusive amount of drugs from any credible doctor legally. If he did, I would hold the doctor at fault. I will wait and see if they find he got them illegally, you are right that is only fair.

But he admits he was addicted, I find that disappointing in ANYONE. Being disappointed is not saying the person is an idiot, it just means they chose to deal with their problem in a way that only hurts them more and the hurts the people around and it tarnishes their own persona. People in the public eye have more to loose by doing that than most of us. I know everyone makes mistakes, but I can't say I am PLEASED to see them make them, it is disappointing to me no matter who they are. And in Rush's own words such people have disappointed him too. It's painful to see someone make this kind of mistake and this seems to have really hurt him in so many ways. I hope he can turn it around, he needs support from someone, having this additional issue of a divorce is just making it tougher, but in Rush's own words ....

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I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...

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"substance abuse" means legal drugs, non legal drugs, drinking ... anything you "choose" to put into your body. on the above I do agree with Rush.

[HarvickFan29]

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Suzie said:
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HarvickFan29 said:
I say that to my kids sometimes when I KNOW they could have made a better choice.

Is Rush one of your kids?


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Sheesh do you really need to ask that question? Since you seem to miss the point I will try again... I am disappointed in MYSELF sometimes, there is NO SHAME in disapointment. It just means you should have known better.

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It was you who missed the point. I was simply illustrating the absurdity of your being disappointed by being absurd.

You refused to answer my question about the difference in recreational drug use vs. those who got addicted to drugs through severe pain by prescription..

You seem to be worried about how he obtained them. If that's your worry, you should be pissed at the doctor because he prescribed them. There's millions in this country hooked on prescription drugs and you're worried about dealers? Havn't heard you pushing for an end on the war on drugs either which would put the dealers out of business. Please.

[Estragon]

Time was, we didn't see conservatives linking far-left websites to bash other conservatives.

If the only place I could find to support my arguments was a far-left site, I would reexamine my position.

[HarvickFan29]

TDub, people have to take Rush out of context to attempt to make a point. Pathetic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

And these are people who don't listen to him either. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon20.gif

[Suzie]

I am not going to support the fact he is addicted, sorry I just won't do it. I can't pretend I don't think that's BAD. It's a disappointment to me. He admits it, yes he made a mistake. I bet if you asked him he's not happy about it either.

[Suzie]

Here's a perscription drug site with the quotes if you don't like that link, there are many. I just posted the first one, I didn't look at the whole site but I found the same thing on many that aren't even political at all

http://www.fast-easy-pharmacy.com/3/rush-limbaugh-drugs.html

[DoctorDoom]

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Many crackheads also don't have millions and millions of dollars.

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Please say you aren't offering this as a serious "argument". WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Are you saying that poor people are excused for CHOOSING to be crackheads, on the basis that they are poor, whereas rich people are condemned for an UNCHOSEN addiction to pain killers, on the basis that they are rich?

Just another clueless, class-envy-inciting liberal. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Suzie]

Heres another one that sums up my views pretty well.
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As we haven’t yet heard much from Rush about the situation, addiction, presumably, came after legitimate use of that drug. I’d like to suggest that casting a stone in this matter be limited only to those who are holding him to his own standards and not by those who are gleefully careless about anything except that Rush is under fire. Those who would cast stones without regard for standards or decency- you know who you are- are likely to find themselves with an urge to apologize later (presuming that, later, they have a conscience).

There is a standard, in addition to those I mentioned above, to which Rush would hold others and we must hold Rush: The Law. Like it or not, there is a matter of the law in this matter. We might find that Rush did not violate the law. Then, again, we might find he did.

Just as Socrates, unjustly accused as he was, citing his benefit from the State, assented to the punishment meted out to him in accordance with those who administered “the law” we need to require Rush step up and accept any punishment due him from those who mete it out now. That or we’d better get seriously started on- and finish- the debate regarding illicit, illegal and powerful drugs.


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Source (http://www.etherzone.com/2003/msmit111403.shtml)

[Timberwolf]

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Suzie said:
I am not going to support the fact he is addicted, sorry I just won't do it. I can't pretend I don't think that's BAD. It's a disappointment to me. He admits it, yes he made a mistake. I bet if you asked him he's not happy about it either.

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Have YOU ever been addicted to any type of NARCOTIC drug? If not, you may want to pipe down...it's not like he started out taking that crap "for the hell of it"...he had a botched back surgery with which he had to contend. Those narcotic (or synthetic narcotic) drugs were the only thing that made doing his job bearable.

Whether or not his addiction turned into something other than dealing with pain is irrelevant because the reason he started taking them was a medical necessity. The reason he became addicted in the first place was NOT due to experimentation and/or recreational use.

Do not speak on such things from a postition of ignorance, you'll only appear to be a fool.

[DoctorDoom]

Sister Susie, WADR, your arguments in this thread re drug use are unsupportable. The Rush quotes (the source being irrelevant) are ALL dealing with free-will choices and illegal drugs. They refer to sleazy, soulless, hell-spawned scum peddling chemical death on street corners and in schools, and fattening the coffers of organized crime while costing the economy billions of dollars every year in treatment and lost productivity.

One does not CHOOSE to become addicted to LEGAL analgesic drugs that are used to treat chronic, intense pain. Ergo, the quotes are inapplicable.

How quickly conservatives turn on their own when the tribulations begin. One never sees that from the liberals. And then we wonder why the hell our side fails.

[Suzie]

Can you sit here and tell me you are HAPPY Rush became addicted to drugs? I can't say that, he made a CHOICE to keep taking them. He could have got help BEFORE he got caught. I would, I can honestly tell you I would not let something like that become a problem out of respect for my family. I would have told the doctor who perscribed them to me this was becoming a problem for me and asked him to help me. Now if his doctor failed him I admit that is different, But I haven't heard that even mentioned as a possibility though in any news story. Rush has said he was addicted and he KNEW he was addicted. I am disappointed he didn't do something about this on his before he got caught. If all of you think so highly of him that tells me he is smart enough to know that's what he needed to do. He didn't, it was a mistake, I understand his pain but that doesn't change the fact that it was WRONG and I wish he didn't do it. Does that mean I don't understand WHY he became addicted NO ... it just means I thought he would have dealt with it better.

[HarvickFan29]

Doc asked MaxiSham: Are you saying that poor people are excused for CHOOSING to be crackheads, on the basis that they are poor, whereas rich people are condemned for an UNCHOSEN addiction to pain killers, on the basis that they are rich?

Yep! Good translation of MaoSham's drivel! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon16.gif

[HarvickFan29]

Suz, in his own words, Rush has said he tried to get help many times. He wasn't ready before. Unless you know about addiction, you won't understand. You won't understand that people get help when THEY are ready.

Could you tell someone hooked on heroin when constantly given it for pain that it is their fault and they should have gotten help? A person becomes physically addicted before they know it through the medicinal property of the substance.

[Suzie]

But that's just it, according to the news ... and that's all ANY of us have to go on, he wasn't "given" it. If true he found ways of "getting" it, now if that is true and he spend time seeking the drugs, my belief is he should have spent that time seeking HELP. It's not something that is easy to do I know, but it is the RIGHT thing to do. It might be understandable that he was in pain and I feel bad for him, but once again, I am disappointed in the way he chose to deal with it, do I think he is evil? NO. Do I not understand the pain of addiction? I do understand it's tough. BUT HE MADE THE WRONG CHOICE. Would I, you, uncle snuffy make the same mistakes? WHO KNOWS! But if we did we would be WRONG and that would be DISAPPOINTING that we couldn't do the right thing, it always is when you see someone do such things.

[JonECat]

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Estragon said:
Time was, we didn't see conservatives linking far-left websites to bash other conservatives.

If the only place I could find to support my arguments was a far-left site, I would reexamine my position.





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In case no one's noticed I've abandoned that side years ago! And I will quote whoever the hell it is I wish to quote thank you very much!

[HarvickFan29]

Suz, I don't know what it will take to get you to see that it became a choice between pain or painkillers? Ever known anyone with chronic pain pain like that, and failed back surgery? Constant pain from it?

You can be disappointed in Rush all you want. I am not because his addcition became addiction through the use of a prescribed drug for pain. Now, you're trying to tell me that isn't true, and he simply chose INITIALLY to do the painkillers through recreational, and illegal means?

[Suzie]

Where did I say that?? You are just making stuff up now. I said he should get help, tell the doctor that perscribed them he was having problems. He didn't get help he got more pills, SOME WAY. That was WRONG!!!

[JonECat]

Considering he (allegedly) went through multiple sources including his own maid to get the drugs, I'd call that illegal.

[HarvickFan29]

Now, you're just confusing and jumping all over the place.

Suz, Here's what you said: "But that's just it, according to the news ... and that's all ANY of us have to go on, he wasn't "given" it"

OK, well if you think he wasn't initially given it, what should I conclude? I am left to conclude you think he did it for recreation which would mean he got it illegally.

Suz said:I said he should get help, tell the doctor that perscribed them he was having problems. He didn't get help he got more pills, SOME WAY. That was WRONG!!!

I never said it was right but it's what happened. Shit happens. If someone doesn't denounce something, do you always take it to mean they support it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Again, addiction and pain are just not registering with you so we are simply rehashing old points. You're not getting it.

[Timberwolf]

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Suzie said:
Can you sit here and tell me you are HAPPY Rush became addicted to drugs? I can't say that, he made a CHOICE to keep taking them. He could have got help BEFORE he got caught. I would, I can honestly tell you I would not let something like that become a problem out of respect for my family.

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Bullshit. Were that the case, you'd not BE ADDICTED. Addiction clouds the judgement. It changes one's ethics and morality.

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I would have told the doctor who perscribed them to me this was becoming a problem for me and asked him to help me. Now if his doctor failed him I admit that is different, But I haven't heard that even mentioned as a possibility though in any news story. Rush has said he was addicted and he KNEW he was addicted. I am disappointed he didn't do something about this on his before he got caught.

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Riiiiiight...and how would you deal with the excruciating pain of a botched back surgery? Suze, WADR, stop. It is clear to me that you've not suffered addiction.

I have. I KNEW that I was addicted. I was literally powerless to do anything about it. I was destined to die an addict until an intervention by my parents took place...if they had waited, I'm sure that the authorities would've "caught" me...either way, I was in no position to help myself.

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If all of you think so highly of him that tells me he is smart enough to know that's what he needed to do. He didn't, it was a mistake, I understand his pain but that doesn't change the fact that it was WRONG and I wish he didn't do it. Does that mean I don't understand WHY he became addicted NO ... it just means I thought he would have dealt with it better.

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Smart has nothing to do with it...it is about overcoming the addiction. Not many can overcome on their own. It most times takes a third party...hopefully that 3rd party is a loving spouse or one's parents. Sometimes, it is LE.

As to Rush's divorce, it could be the logical outcome of having to be very selfish in the beginning stages of recovery. He literally became someone Marta did not know (possibly). I hope that is not the case, but it could be. Not making excuses, "for richer or poorer, for better or worse, in sickness and in health, until death do us part" means something to me. I am deeply saddened that their marriage is at an end.

[Suzie]

All fine and dandy, still doesn't mean he chose to do the right thing.

Harv you need to be able to remember previous posts as you go down the page. I said he should have got help from the Dr, who perscribed them, he didn't get help he got more pills. Even if he was addicted that was WRONG. Nothing anyone can do aside from disolving all prescription drug laws will make it right. He made a mistake and it was wrong. If I made the mistake if you made the mistake if ANYONE makes the mistake it is WRONG!!!

[MaximumSam]

Are you saying that poor people are excused for CHOOSING to be crackheads, on the basis that they are poor, whereas rich people are condemned for an UNCHOSEN addiction to pain killers, on the basis that they are rich?

What are you talking about? Did crack somehow become unaddictive? Did poor people somehow find free access to drug rehab centers? While I'm sure some feel that Rush Limbaugh was a poor victim in a scheme to make him an addict, the only person he can blame is himself.

[MaximumSam]

One does not CHOOSE to become addicted to LEGAL analgesic drugs that are used to treat chronic, intense pain. Ergo, the quotes are inapplicable.

Only Rush is at fault for his drug addiction. It seems some Republicans are quite quick to absolve Rush of all responsibility, so props to Suzie and others who view him as a normal human being.

[DoctorDoom]

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What are you talking about? Did crack somehow become unaddictive?

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Did crack addiction somehow become an unfortunate side effect of the legal medical use of crack?

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Did poor people somehow find free access to drug rehab centers?

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Would poor people need "free access to drug rehab centers" if they did not willfully choose to ingest illegal narcotics? Would they be poor if they were not spending a fortune every week feeding their freely chosen addiction?

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While I'm sure some feel that Rush Limbaugh was a poor victim in a scheme to make him an addict, the only person he can blame is himself.

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If you can find ANY similarity between unplanned addiction to legally-used oxycontin and planned addiction to crack cocaine, please share it with us. Yes, he should have addressed the problem when it arose. However, the pathetic attempt to equate the side-effect of treating intolerable pain with the deliberate ingestion of illegal narcotics purely for an illusion of pleasure is utter BS.

[DoctorDoom]

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Only Rush is at fault for his drug addiction. It seems some Republicans are quite quick to absolve Rush of all responsibility, so props to Suzie and others who view him as a normal human being.

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No one is seeking to "absolve Rush of all responsibility". However, the attempt to equate an unintended addiction to a legal pain-killing drug with addicts smoking crack or shooting up heroin is indefensible.

IAC, you liberals are lusting for some way to destroy Rush, so you'll grab at any straws.

[Estragon]

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Heres another one that sums up my views pretty well.
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As we haven’t yet heard much from Rush about the situation, addiction, presumably, came after legitimate use of that drug. I’d like to suggest that casting a stone in this matter be limited only to those who are holding him to his own standards and not by those who are gleefully careless about anything except that Rush is under fire. Those who would cast stones without regard for standards or decency- you know who you are- are likely to find themselves with an urge to apologize later (presuming that, later, they have a conscience).

There is a standard, in addition to those I mentioned above, to which Rush would hold others and we must hold Rush: The Law. Like it or not, there is a matter of the law in this matter. We might find that Rush did not violate the law. Then, again, we might find he did.

Just as Socrates, unjustly accused as he was, citing his benefit from the State, assented to the punishment meted out to him in accordance with those who administered “the law” we need to require Rush step up and accept any punishment due him from those who mete it out now. That or we’d better get seriously started on- and finish- the debate regarding illicit, illegal and powerful drugs.


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Source (http://www.etherzone.com/2003/msmit111403.shtml)

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Well, has Rush been charged with a crime?

It is tough to claim he's guilty when he not only hasn't been convicted of anything, but he hasn't even been charged with anything.

Of course, he HAS publicly admitted his addiction, which opens the door for all the water-walkers to start the stoning.

[JonECat]

Yet.

[crylady]

Wow!
6 pages of angst and aggravation because Rush and Marta agree to split!

[Timberwolf]

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Suzie said:
All fine and dandy, still doesn't mean he chose to do the right thing.

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WTF??????

Are you "listening" at all??

Addiction MEANS that you don't HAVE a choice in the matter!! Even at the stage where one "might think they have a problem", the CHOICE to quit, cut down or seek professional help still exists. Once addiction sets in, those choices ARE GONE. Nothing matters but the next "fix".

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Harv you need to be able to remember previous posts as you go down the page. I said he should have got help from the Dr, who perscribed them, he didn't get help he got more pills. Even if he was addicted that was WRONG. Nothing anyone can do aside from disolving all prescription drug laws will make it right. He made a mistake and it was wrong. If I made the mistake if you made the mistake if ANYONE makes the mistake it is WRONG!!!

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Tell ya what. Go get yourself hooked on the narcotic of your choosing and stay so addicted for 3-5 years and then just quit...or seek help on your own. Got news for ya...not gonna happen. Been there, done that (and it wasn't even narcotics for me....)

But, regardless of anything stated to date, guess what? Rush has admitted that it was wrong, sought help, went to treatment and is - to the best of our knowledge - not taking them any longer, so what's your beef? Suzie, you have no clue what you're taliking about...so, please, stop.

[Suzie]

Once again all of you miss the point. Same article you still haven't read. (http://toogoodreports.com/column/general/ellis/20031013.htm)

Having compassion for someone doesn't mean you give them absolution for their wrongs. Compassion historically meant "to suffer with." Liberals aren't concerned with suffering with the objects of their pity; they just want to throw some money at them and dispense some moral absolution to alleviate their own guilt. Because true compassion doesn't mean shedding a few crocodile tears and moving on. Real compassion seeks to help the sufferer out of their situation. Compassion for the poor isn't giving them a little of someone else's money so they can be more comfortably poor; it means teaching them better work skills and more importantly LIFE skills so they can avoid the mistakes that result in poverty. The same thing goes with unemployment, injuries, handicaps, substance abuse and so on. A compassionate response doesn't enable them to remain in their sad state; it teaches them why that state is bad and how they can get out of it for good.

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The Bible tells us in Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." The Bible does not, however, tell us that if we refuse to judge anyone else, then we get a free pass for our own sins. We are not to pass moral judgment as if we were morally superior and blameless. But it does tell us we must make moral discernments, or judgments, about what is right and wrong. Jesus told Simon in Luke 7:43 that he had "judged correctly" and Jesus didn't condemn him for exercising this judgment. Peter and John encouraged others to judge right and wrong in Acts 4:19. 1 Corinthians 6:2 says Christians will someday judge the world, and says we should be competent to make judgments in lesser cases. In 1 Corinthians 10:15 Paul invites the Corinthian church to judge what he has said. In 1 Corinthians 2:14 Paul tells the church to discern (judge) whether a thing is of God. In Philippians Paul tells the church to discern (judge) what is best.

Let's face it. Rush Limbaugh has always judged right and wrong, and more often than not he was on target. But I have never known him to judge from an assumed position of infallibility. That's what a hypocrite does, and that's why Jesus always opened up with both barrels on the Pharisees.

A hypocrite isn't someone who fails to live up to a standard. A hypocrite is someone who pretends to be something they're not. Rush has never claimed to be perfect (only right 98% of the time), and he's never claimed to be sinless.

His supporters pray for him and for victory over this addiction. We pray for a great American in his endeavors to live up to the standards he rightly espouses. We pray taking heed, lest we too fall.

[MaximumSam]

Did crack addiction somehow become an unfortunate side effect of the legal medical use of crack?

What is it about "drug abuse" that seems to confound people? One doesn't go into rehab because he is simply addicted. One goes because he is addicted and continues to abuse drugs. If you are abusing drugs, it really doesn't matter one iota why you started using them, does it?

Also, Rush has admitted to smoking pot before, so it isn't as if he's above a little drug use, now is it? The only difference between him and your average crackhead is that crack is much more addictive.

Would poor people need "free access to drug rehab centers" if they did not willfully choose to ingest illegal narcotics?

Would Rush need rehab if he did not willfully choose to ingest OxyContin?

Would they be poor if they were not spending a fortune every week feeding their freely chosen addiction?

LOL. Trust me, your average inner city crackhead is not spending a fortune on anything.

If you can find ANY similarity between unplanned addiction to legally-used oxycontin and planned addiction to crack cocaine, please share it with us.

If you can find any person anywhere who has "planned" to become addicted to crack or OxyContin, please share with us.

[Wolfcounsel]

"If you can find any person anywhere who has "planned" to become addicted to crack or OxyContin, please share with us." --MaximumSam

Do those recreational crack users also plan on making drug dealers rich?

[JonECat]

No, the government's doing a good enough job by themselves with the Drug war.

[Wolfcounsel]

"No, the government's doing a good enough job by themselves with the Drug war." --JonECat2002

I'll bet if the druggies stop using drugs, the dealers and the government thugs involved will suffer a major setback.

[JonECat]

That's a LOT of people, and YOU try reasoning with a drug user.

[Timberwolf]

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That's a LOT of people, and YOU try reasoning with a drug user.

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Hell, there are some here who are drug free that we have to smack with a 2x4 just to make a point....

[Wolfcounsel]

"...and YOU try reasoning with a drug user." --JonECat2002

I don't try to reason with dumbasses. That's why I keep my weapons clean and functioning perfectly.

[CaliGirl]

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JonECat2002 said:
Talent on loan from Gawwwd?

Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair?

Who says he's a perfect role model, apparently he does.

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Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair? <== that is NOT what Rush says.

I can't believe this thread. For those who are saying Rush is perfect, don't know the man! I personally don't know him, but have been listening for probably 12 or 13 years, if not longer, and almost EVERY day.

Rush can do what he pleases on HIS show! I don't think he would be getting big bucks, if his calling was not needed. Apparently what Rush is doing is good, since he draws millions and millions of listeners daily. For those who have never listened to him, I personally am sad that you are able to form an an opinion of him. Is the opinion on what YOU read about Rush? If so, remember most newspapers are LIBERAL.

[Warlady]

Suzie you still don't seem to be able to distinguish between recreational drug use and chronic pain medical dependency. There is a huge difference. The only thing Rush did wrong if he did it was purchase prescription drugs on the black market. He hasn't admitted to that to my knowledge. He may have done it because with oxycontin you build a tolerance fairly quickly. I feel his doctors failed him because there are so many treatments today that you don't have to suffer needlessly. I know they wanted to operate on him again and he was worried about the risk of losing his voice but they should have implanted the morphine pump. It's not my call because it's his body and being who he is the press would have immediately labeled him a junkie. You have to consider his celebrity. He's not like you or I. He doesn't have the luxury of the same options I do.

Another thing Suz, Rush has never said he doesn't take responsibility. On the contrary. And I want you to understand the difference between illegal recreational drugs and pain medication. Narcotics are addictive and there are millions of chronic pain patients around the globe who are "addicted". I prefer to use the correct medical term which is "medically dependent". They, like me, will be on pain medication for the rest of their lives unless or until new technology comes along to alleviate the pain by other means. Rush is still going to have to deal with his chronic pain. And he shouldn't be villified or castigated for it. And he shouldn't be treated like a criminal.

[Suzie]

All I can say is I truly do hope he can find a way to end his pain without resorting to these measures in the future. I wish him wellness I wish him happiness, and I do believe all of you about his addiction. Perhaps him going thru this can change the law so that people addicted to prescription pain medication prescribed to them by doctors can legally find a way to report these kinds of medications and be helped to step down from the addiction. Something THAT addictive shouldn't be on the market, and maybe that's the good that can come from this. Still I don't think he should be excused if it's found that he broke the law and I will wait to see if that is ever found to be true, but I wouldn't be excused if I did it. If he helps CHANGE the law that would help a LOT of people and maybe that's what he needs to do. He may never even BE charged for it. Perhaps he will do something about the law to help others since he has admited to the addiction and he is getting help now. If it shouldn't be a crime, he is the right kind of guy to step up and try to change the law, and maybe that's what needs to be done.

[Warlady]

Suzie what you still don't seem to grasp is that addiction is just a side effect of chronic pain therapy. It's unavoidable. Chronic pain patients have only two choices. Medical dependency on the pain alleving drugs or death. Unless you have experienced the level of pain I have or perhaps Rush has you cannot understand or relate. I cannot worry about wheather or not I am addicted to my life saving medication. I don't have a choice. I can't live with the pain. You need to try to think with compassion. Drug laws are harming chronic pain patients because doctors are terrified to treat their patients for fear of losing their licenses. I'm fortunate that I have a chronic pain specialist caring for me.

[Suzie]

I am thinking with compassion, that kind of addiction isn't good for him, it isn't good for anyone. Making excuses for it would only encourage him to continue it. Once again that article says EXACTLY how I feel about this...


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Having compassion for someone doesn't mean you give them absolution for their wrongs. Compassion historically meant "to suffer with." Liberals aren't concerned with suffering with the objects of their pity; they just want to throw some money at them and dispense some moral absolution to alleviate their own guilt. Because true compassion doesn't mean shedding a few crocodile tears and moving on. Real compassion seeks to help the sufferer out of their situation.

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I wouldn't want to see you addicted to anything like this either, I know you have had a lot of pain and you know I love you your my friend. Having the pain is bad enough, but if it is true that he spending money on drugs from less legitimate sources, and I admitt we don't know that for sure yet, some of that stuff isn't even "clean" they have been processed with other things. I haven't said I don't understand his pain, but to me that just isn't the answer. I am glad he is getting help. But I can't support him continuing an addiction to avoid pain, that just isn't good for him. If it was the doctor would prescribe it that way and for the rest of his life as you say. If the doctor had been prescribing them it would be easy for him to prove. Since he hasn't been able to prove that it does lead me to believe he didn't get them from his doctor. Maybe he will prove me wrong.

[Warlady]

Suzie there are stories like that out there by the thousands. Not everyone who gets addicted is a quote "street drug addict". Seperate the recreational drug addict from the medically dependent patient. Would you feel the same way if it wasn't against the law? Blame the recreational drug users. They are the reason we have laws on the books and those laws are affecting those who need the medication to survive. They have forked up the doctors. They have screwed us chronic pain patients. We get tossed into the hopper with them and it's just wrong. Just look at your attitude for example. It's a stigma. And it's just plain wrong. We need to educate Americans to this difference. I've noticed many articles are beginning to surface on this very topic. Next time I come across one I will post it. I believe there is one in Other News forum now. It's probably way back by now.

[Suzie]

No I wouldn't feel the same way if it wasn't against the law, and if the doctor was making sure he was taking it properly. I don't know if you know much about Hank Williams Sr.(I did, read a LOT about him) back then there weren't a lot of laws about things like this, and he had the money to pay doctors to give him what he wanted. He was born with a spine problem that became worse as he aged. He became addicted to pills and drinking, he fell asleep in a car on the way to a perfomance and never woke up. I wish he had never got those pills and abused them. It didn't help him, it killed him. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif

[Warlady]

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No I wouldn't feel the same way if it wasn't against the law, and if the doctor was making sure he was taking it properly. I don't know if you know much about Hank Williams Sr.(I did, read a LOT about him) back then there weren't a lot of laws about things like this, and he had the money to pay doctors to give him what he wanted. He was born with a spine problem that became worse as he aged. He became addicted to pills and drinking, he fell asleep in a car on the way to a perfomance and never woke up. I wish he had never got those pills and abused them. It didn't help him, it killed him. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif

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Hank Williams was a celebrity who couldn't handle his alcohol. You are comparing apples and oranges. Every case is unique. But by your standards and because of that one instance and others like that the rest of us who do take our medication as prescribed are supposed to suffer? That's what you are saying. That's what I am hearing. You have a formed negative opinion about drugs and it looks as if nothing is going to change your mind.

[RocketScience]

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JonECat2002 said:
He harps on the sanctity of Marriage, yet he's been married (and now divorced) three times, he says drug users ought to be locked up but doesn't include himself. He'd make the perfect politician. Says one thing, and does another.

It appears as though the Good Ship Morality has once again hit an iceberg.

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D'j'ever lie? Oops, sorry, then you can never say it is wrong. Know why? You've lost your moral authority.

Ever been mean to someone? OK, no recommending the Golden Rule to anyone for you. You'd be a hypocrit.

Take away all the people who have sinned...remove their chance to "preach" to anyone else, and you remove all parents, and no one gets to say "this" is wrong or "that" is wrong to their kids...or anyone for that matter.

After all, once the "good ship morality" hits an iceberg, everyone gets to shut up. Interesting take.

Rocket

[Suzie]

Yes I guess that is true. I try not to take anything, I have even refused medication. I wouldn't take anything after my c section but benedryl because the spinal gave me a rash. They wanted to give me pain medication too but I wouldn't take it. This kind of stuff scares me, I will admit that.

It scared the life out of me when they paralized me to do the c section, but at that point it was to save my son's life and for that I wouldn't care if it killed me. Once it was over I started to panic when I thought that stuff wasn't wearing off. So you are right drugs really scare me, to the point of a phobia. Yeah I know you are gonna tell me I need help ... just don't give me drugs for it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

[JonECat]

Saying anymore than I've already said would be repeating myself over and over, so, I won't.

[MaximumSam]

Ever been mean to someone? OK, no recommending the Golden Rule to anyone for you. You'd be a hypocrit.

Take away all the people who have sinned...remove their chance to "preach" to anyone else, and you remove all parents, and no one gets to say "this" is wrong or "that" is wrong to their kids...or anyone for that matter.


That's certainly not what anyone is advocating. Everyone is "mean" at some point or another, and it is a common human response. Everyone sins at one point or another. The issue is not whether someone can be a sinner and still advocate against sin. Certainly, Rush is in a much better position now to make recommendations against drug use, as he has lived it and seen the consequences. However, JonE is pointing to his very hyprocritical stances against drug users. He has advocated against drug users quite strongly, and now he seems quite eager to avoid any criminal prosecution for his drug abuse, even though it seems almost certain he committed some illegal activity.

In other words, if you make it yur business to rail against the moral failings of others, you had better have some morals yourself.

[Warlady]

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Suzie said:
Yes I guess that is true. I try not to take anything, I have even refused medication. I wouldn't take anything after my c section but benedryl because the spinal gave me a rash. They wanted to give me pain medication too but I wouldn't take it. This kind of stuff scares me, I will admit that.

It scared the life out of me when they paralized me to do the c section, but at that point it was to save my son's life and for that I wouldn't care if it killed me. Once it was over I started to panic when I thought that stuff wasn't wearing off. So you are right drugs really scare me, to the point of a phobia. Yeah I know you are gonna tell me I need help ... just don't give me drugs for it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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Then with those standards don't you think you might not be the best person to judge others in this instance? It's obvious you have not been in the level of pain that I for instance have been in. Do you judge me the same way you judge Rush? My spine is degenerating, collapsing upon itself. I lifted a 25 pound box of dishes at Walmart and fractured two vertebrae. My situation is congenital. My bones are thin as paper according to my doctor. He says I can no longer ride my horse, I can no longer ride my riding lawn mower which I loved to do. He won't even allow me to lift a basket of clothes to do laundry. Without my medication I would be bedridden. If it comes to the point where the government prevents doctors from prescribing medication for me to be at least 75% pain free I would either have to buy medicine in the black market or die. That is a fact Suzie. A fact I must face. You are basing your moral equivilance on laws. Do you mean I have to obey them too?l What if they pass a law that says I can't get my medicine? It's coming to that. My pain doctor was out with the flu about 10 months ago. I ran out of my medicine. I called my primary doc to try to get a refill for a few days until Dr. Findlay was back at work. My primary Doc's nurse told me that he doesn't prescribe pain medication because of the high cost of malpractice insurance that comes with prescribing pain medication so I was SOL. Shit out of luck. My blood pressure went off the scale from the pain. But there was nothing he could do for me and there was nothing I could do short of going to the ER which I refused to do. I toughed it out until I could get in to see my doc after he got over his flu. It was a nightmare for me because I was coming off of a surgical procedure called "vertebroplasty". Suzie until you understand or experience pain you are never going to understand what we chronic pain patience have to go through.

[Warlady]

Kitten you are wise beyond your 18 years doll. I feel like you are my adopted kid.

[Suzie]

No I don't fault you at all, but I don't want you to do anything that might harm you either. The reason the law is important to me in this is because all thru history there have been drugs that once addicted to them can harm you more than they help you. Look at the civil war, doctors were giving morphine to the injured. That may have even been why drug laws started. (I am too sleepy to look it up.) Doctors then believed it was the best way to help people deal with the pain, but then long after the war ended it was a HUGE addiction problem. In your case I want the doctors to be able to care for you in a way that wont do you more harm than good and I want them to be able to provide you with what you need. If that means changing a law then they should. Even saying that, doctors can make mistakes too. But I would want them to work with you and have the freedom to help you the best way possible. I wouldn't want you to try and medicate yourself. If your doctor gives you the medicine he can give you a 30 day supply. That's the whole reason for prescriptions, if someone who has the kind of pain you do and could get a years supply with out the doctor knowing that, they might take it all up in a month. I don't think you would do that, but there are people who would and that could really hurt them. As you all have pointed out here when it becomes an addiction people tend to not follow the best practices, and make poor choices. This is what they are saying Rush did, and if true that's why I say I am disappointed in him. He made a choice that could have REALLY harmed him or even killed him. And I hate to see anyone do that.

[Lawlass]

Talent on loan from Gawwwd?

Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair?

Who says he's a perfect role model, apparently he does.

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JonECat2002- You must be from Rio Linda.

[DoctorDoom]

Despite being acutely aware of the futility of attempting to communicate with the clueless little troll child from Ohio...

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What is it about "drug abuse" that seems to confound people? One doesn't go into rehab because he is simply addicted. One goes because he is addicted and continues to abuse drugs. If you are abusing drugs, it really doesn't matter one iota why you started using them, does it?

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When you find yourself in such pain that you can't sleep, stand, sit, lie down or lead a normal life, and a LEGAL prescription drug with a side-effect of addictiveness is the ONLY thing that kills the pain, then you can reflect on whether you are different from some braindead loser who ingests ILLEGAL narcotics solely for the "high".

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Also, Rush has admitted to smoking pot before, so it isn't as if he's above a little drug use, now is it?

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Well, then, you should admire him for that. After all, he has something in common with your idol, Blowjob Billy, and with half the liberals in the country.

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The only difference between him and your average crackhead is that crack is much more addictive.

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Are you really incapable of making such blatantly obvious distinctions? I doubt it. You're simply in your usual troll mode.

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Would Rush need rehab if he did not willfully choose to ingest OxyContin?

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Would he have willfully chosen to ingest oxycontin if he were not plagued by constant intolerable pain that could not be treated except by oxycontin?

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LOL. Trust me...

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Trust is earned. You haven't earned it.

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... your average inner city crackhead is not spending a fortune on anything.

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What constitutes a fortune is relative. To me, $10,000 is a fortune. To Gates or Soros, it's petty cash.

When a person spends all that he has, all that he earns, and all that he can rob or steal in order to support a habit, then he is spending a fortune, even if it's a few hundred bucks.

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If you can find any person anywhere who has "planned" to become addicted to crack or OxyContin, please share with us.

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Any person who starts using crack or heroin knows that they are invariably addictive—it's all but impossible NOT to know—and therefore plans to be addicted.

Since oxycontin is a legal drug dispensed under strict controls and only by prescription, the recipient is most certainly informed of the nature of the drug and its side effects. However, the people who will receive such prescriptions are facing unrelieved pain that makes a normal, productive life all but impossible. The risk of addiction is secondary to the benefit of using it.

Perhaps you'll now honor us with your specious rationalization of why that is no different than the choice of using or not using crack or heroin.

[Warlady]

Bravo Doc.

[2Cent]

Doc, the only thing I disagree with you about is "Any person who starts using crack or heroin knows that they are invariably addictive—it's all but impossible NOT to know—and therefore plans to be addicted."

Plenty of addicts start out thinking that they're somehow different and 'better' than the average dopehead and above becoming addicted.

Aside from that, I have to agree with, (I think it is WL who said this), that it is the laws that have become ridiculously prohibitive and are making otherwise good people look bad. (Before anybody comes to the wrong conclusion, I am NOT saying that legalizing drugs would make it okay to abuse them.)
I'll take it one step further and say prohibitive to the point of stupidity. When flu season was about to hit, my neighbor lady stopped at a drug store to restock her medicine cabinet and couldn't because the drug stores can only sell a certain amount of otc meds in one sale anymore. Top that with, you can walk out the door and walk right back in to finish your shopping - and it makes it stupid beyond the point of any and all reason.
Their idiotic logic is that this will somehow reduce meth use.

Bottom line is, time to educate people and drop this useless War on Drugs. (At least the way the gov't is now going about it.)

[Wolfcounsel]

"Bottom line is, time to educate people and drop this useless War on Drugs. (At least the way the gov't is now going about it.)" --2Cent

So you don't want the war stopped. You want the government to stop trying to f*ck the football, eh?

[Warlady]

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Warlady said:
Kitten you are wise beyond your 18 years doll. I feel like you are my adopted kid.

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I will be 22 years old July 1st. I know hard to believe it has been that long. I was about 16 when we first met you. Thank you

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Damn girl. You really have grown. You were just a baby when we met. But you were smarter than any liberal I had ever met even then.

[DoctorDoom]

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Plenty of addicts start out thinking that they're somehow different and 'better' than the average dopehead and above becoming addicted.

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That's not from lack of knowledge of the dangers. It's flagrant, incorrigible stupidity—although the description fits anyone who ingests illegal (or in the case of alcohol, legal), brain-destroying chemicals.

[2Cent]

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Wolfcounsel said:
"Bottom line is, time to educate people and drop this useless War on Drugs. (At least the way the gov't is now going about it.)" --2Cent

So you don't want the war stopped. You want the government to stop trying to f*ck the football, eh?


[/ QUOTE ]

Basically, I think the War on Drugs is a complete and utter waste of time and tax dollars. However, I might be convinced to go along with it IF a more successful - and less wasteful - method was employed. Just exactly what that is, I''m not sure. A little more serious attention to our borders might be a start, and - to a degree - would kill two birds with one stone by keeping both drugs and the terrorists out.
As it is, this "Reefer Madness" approach is a farce. (i.e. D.A.R.E.) A very large part of me thinks that people who wish to imbibe in recreational drugs in their own home should be left alone. In my mind, drug laws are like coming up with more (intrusive/restrictive) firearm laws. It's already against the law to abuse your children. It's already against the law to endanger someone else's life. It's already against the law to steal. Etc., etc. Why make the drug against the law instead of enforcing the laws that are already on the books? Plenty of people use drugs recreationally without hurting anyone. Why put them in jail, wasting time, money and space when the time, money, and man power could be far more wisely spent going after real criminals?

[MaximumSam]

When you find yourself in such pain that you can't sleep, stand, sit, lie down or lead a normal life, and a LEGAL prescription drug with a side-effect of addictiveness is the ONLY thing that kills the pain, then you can reflect on whether you are different from some braindead loser who ingests ILLEGAL narcotics solely for the "high".

When you are homeless and mentally ill, then you can reflect on whether taking crack is somehow more wrong and foolish than taking OxyContin.

Are you really incapable of making such blatantly obvious distinctions?

What, crack and marijuana? What distinction do you want me to draw? They are both cheap and easy to get. The difference is that crack is more addictive and has much more harmful side effects. Why should Rush get a free pass because he tried weed instead of crack?

Would he have willfully chosen to ingest oxycontin if he were not plagued by constant intolerable pain that could not be treated except by oxycontin?

I have no idea. All I know is that he willfully abused it. Cry me a river about being in pain. Take an aspirin. There are hundreds of different types of pain relievers.

When a person spends all that he has, all that he earns, and all that he can rob or steal in order to support a habit, then he is spending a fortune, even if it's a few hundred bucks.

Oh yes, the "Rush gets a free pass because he is rich and can afford to be addicted" theory. Quite clever.

[Wolfcounsel]

"That's not from lack of knowledge of the dangers. It's flagrant, incorrigible stupidity—although the description fits anyone who ingests illegal (or in the case of alcohol, legal), brain-destroying chemicals." --DoctorDoom

You got that right!

[checkers]

"I have no idea."

Yep.

" All I know is that he willfully abused it. Cry me a river about being in pain. Take an aspirin. There are hundreds of different types of pain relievers."

So much for liberal compassion.

[Warlady]

Sam, I wouldn't wish my pain on anyone but since you said the following "Cry me a river about being in pain. Take an aspirin. There are hundreds of different types of pain relievers." I think I have to ask God to allow you to experience my pain for a brief moment just so you can "get it". It's obvious you have never experienced the level of pain I have. You are such a disappointment. I thought at the very least you would have enough compassion to understand pain. Apparently I was wrong. You sadden me. My spine is crumbling. My bones are thin according to my doctors. I have to use crutches to get out of bed. If you were President I would have to break the law to end my life just to get out of my pain.