All in favor of Bush adopting some Ronny style, say I

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Is anyone else tired of our beloved president acting like such a politican?
He needs to get a spine. If he got rid of these waste of time advisors, who get paid to talk, maybe we would make some progress in ridding the world of murdering trash like saddam. Bush needs to stop dipping his toes in the water on this issue of Iraqi war. He needs to say "Heres the real deal America, we never finished Desert storm. Its time we go and take this mad man and and put him six feet under. Thats the way its going to be. period". Thats what it will take in this country of brainwashed, middle of the road, pro-choicers need to hear. Thats leadership, that my friends is Ronal Regan

[Warlady]

Psssst four, don't tell anybody but that's what GW is doing. He's been working on it for quite some time. First he made a deal with Vladimir Putin to start shipping oil to the US. Then he made a deal with Vicente Fox to increase Mexican oil production 30%. Starting to get the picture? Then he sent Cheney over to start shuffling our troops out of Saudi Arabia and into Kuwait and Qatar and get permission to use Jordanian air space. Then he started saber rattling to get the EU to debating the issue and now they are beginning to come onboard. Now he's dumping it on Daschle's shoulders and if Tommy D sits on it we get the Senate back. In other words, Bush is going to do what he wants to do regarding Iraq but he has to get his ducks in a row. Remember Clinton depleted our arsenal and he's having to rebuild that too. Then there's that thing going on in Afghanistan. You don't lead your troops into battle half-cocked. That costs lives and our troops are our most precious commodity. Clinton did that in Somalia and I know you don't want another Black Hawk down situation. It has to be done right. That is true leadership.

BTW Welcome to FC!

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"Heh, heh, heh, yes, no,.. heh"
(Nancy whispers something in his ear)
"We are working on that"

[Warlady]

four, just ignore Matt. He's one of our resident trolls who never contributes to the debate.

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When you say Bush being like Ronny, I hope you're talking about using containment and rollback to get rid of Asian Communism. And I'm not just talking North Korea. If North Korea, Iran, and Iraq make up the Axis of Evil, China has to be placed at the 10th Level of Hell.

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in reply to paleo-con,
i would agree with you completely that china needs to be delt with. Unfortunetly, there is alot of politics involved. There are to many items in america bareing the singnia "made in china", this, along with the geological fact that they are on the other side of the world, are big reasons why there is no embargo on trade with them. Cuba is nice and close and we feel a grudge still form the missel crisis, plus they have no where near the manufacturing ablilities of china, so its no big deal to us to have an embargo placed on them. its sad but true

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"I would agree with you completely that china needs to be delt with."

I kind of laughed when China was first mentioned. A few facts:

You and I are going to buy some 130 billion dollars worth of airplane parts, car parts, and consumer goods from them this year. We will sell them some 30 billion in capital goods. Essentially we will add some 100 billion to the 250 billion we already owe them.

Now why do we owe them so much? Because, by giving us comercial goods on credit, they effectively finance SDI and B-1 bomber equipment, which by the way, our military really does not want.

This is the Ronald Reagan policy, a policy which China just loves. If you look at China's magnificent rise to the second richest country in the world, it started exactly when Ronald Reagan became president. Within 8 years from now, China will be the richest country in the world, and we will own them over 1 trillion dollars, or $10,000 for each and every unemployed worker in the United States.

The key to their success? A willingness to invest in the massive growth in government under Republican presidents.

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i guess i just need some proof for your claims.

first off. in reference to the sdi, all the military persons ive spoken to, were in favor of it and the people they know were in favor of it.

secondly, how can we be getting goods on credit from china? i was under the assumption that we buy from american companies that are in china.

and lastly, sense when was china the second richest nation in the world?

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Some stats on China-American trade: http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/starch.html

On SDI, you do not want to debate me, I spent seven years at Lockheed lying, cheating, stealing taxpayer money on that, and our biggest critic was the joint chiefs. Fooling Reagan was the easy part.

China? 5 trillion dollar economy, growing 8% per year, projected out, that easily surpasses the U.S. which is barely growing at 2%, and the free economy is shrinking by 5% per year. Yes, all of our growth is government growth. Government is growing at over 10% under Bush, but out total growth is less than 3%. That means taking people from our most productive positions, flipping hamburgers, and putting them on the most unproductive position, looking at baggage.

Financing our trade? What do you think a 100 billion dollar trade deficit means?

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While we are on the subject of "Communist" countries, a few other interesting tidbits.

The Communists that Reagan defeated have a 13% flat tax income tax rate, the lowest corporate taxes of the Western world, have managed to get out of all foreign wars, and have become the second largest arms exporter and oil exporter.

The other Communists, China, have a total per capita tax of less than 15%, compared with a total per capita tax of 35% for the U.S.

Meanwhile, our capitalist country has a 30--40% progressive income tax, one of the highest corporate taxes, which is also one of the most complicated. And we are still in an Afghan war we entered some 23 years ago. Still involved in an Iraq war we entered some 15 years ago. The capitalist side of our economy is shrinking some 5% per year, and to keep our economy afloat we are required to import a million immigrants from enemy countries per year.

Who won the cold war?

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You know that the former Soviet Union's economy is no where near as strong as the U.S.'s right?

Regards with China. You're right, we do have a huge trade deficit, and by encouraging free trade we're going to get more of it until we learn to become self-sufficient again by using a tarrif system. Not only would a protectionist system make us more self sufficient as a nation, but also would provide a nice revenue for the government, hopefully getting rid of some of these ridiculous tax rates.

Also, China doesn't believe in a welfare system, therefore people are forced to work to provide for themselves. However, given the fact that the Chinese government is rather "militant" towards its own people and has God only knows how many human rights violations, I wouldn't want to live in that so-called "Workers' Paradise".

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I just wanted to get a little information that perhaps I am missing. It was my understanding that Bush gave Saddam the word that Iraq would either open up for weapons inspections with no restrictions or we would be making war upon them. So now Saddam says he'll allow inspections with no restrictions and now we're saying that's not good enough. Should we not be planning an immediate move into Iraq for these 'inspections' rather than doing the 'not good enough' junk and giving Saddam more and more time to do whatever it is he is doing? This makes no sense to me and it makes me wonder what the world thinks of the US as far as saying one thing and doing another. Can we be trusted? images/icons/confused.gif

[Hawk_for_Peace]

That seems to be the missing link between Ronny's conservatism and GW's. Ronald Reagan was successful because he never backed down or placated if he thought what he was doing was the right thing. And if he knew he was going to have a tough time getting something past congress, he took it to the people and made his case. They were always behind him. At least the majority were. That is what GW needs to do for success. It is why he has remained popular, when 9/11 happened, he went out with the firemen and the policemen at the site and he spoke from the heart. That was pure Reagan.