Ann Coulter analyzes Tweeddle Dweeb and Tweedle Dumb

[Maggie_T]

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In Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy

In Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy
Ann Coulter (back to web version) | Send


July 8, 2004


I guess with John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his running mate, he really does want to stand up for all Americans, from those worth only $60 million to those worth in excess of $800 million.

In one of the many stratagems Democrats have developed to avoid telling people what they believe, all Edwards wants to talk about is his cracker-barrel humble origins story. We're supposed to swoon over his "life story," as the flacks say, which apparently consists of the amazing fact that ... his father was a millworker!

That's right up there with "Clinton's stepdad was a drunk" and "Ted Kennedy's dad was a womanizing bootlegger" on my inspirational life-stories meter. In fact, I'm immediately renouncing my university degrees and going to work for the post office just to give my future children a shot at having a "life story," should they decide to run for president someday.

What is so amazing about Edwards' father being a millworker? That's at least an honorable occupation -- as opposed to being a trial lawyer. True, Edwards made more money than his father did. I assume strippers make more money than their alcoholic fathers who abandoned them did, too. This isn't a story of progress; it's a story of devolution.

Despite the overwrought claims of Edwards' dazzling legal skills, winning jury verdicts in personal injury cases has nothing to do with legal talent and everything to do with getting the right cases -- unless "talent" is taken to mean "having absolutely no shame." Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.

As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies born with cerebral palsy. As The New York Times reported: "Studies indicate that in most cases, the disorder is caused by fetal brain injury long before labor begins." All those Caesareans have, however, increased the mother's risk of death, hemorrhage, infection, pulmonary embolism and Mendelson's syndrome.

In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.

More here (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/printac20040708.shtml)

[Samcat]

Ann Coulter is a fool, does she not know the same can be said of the President and Vice President?

Gosh, I wonder what Coulter's profession was before she started ranting in Human Events? Let me guess...a lawyer!

A little more depth is needed when dealing with good hair clowns of the Demoncrat party.

[Maggie_T]

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[Samcat]

Sorry, but I call them as I see them, Maggie. I have little respect for Coulter's ranting and raving.

[Chris]

I think she's great. She nails the dimwits every time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon16.gif

[SurpentDen]

My question is who is dumber? Kerry or his snoop dowg Edwards...Surp/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon29.gif

[Kathy29]

No matter what anyone thinks of Ann Coulter, the democrats are not entitled to their own facts and the facts are that John Edwards did use junk science to get multimillion dollar jury awards. John Edwards did claim to a jury that he was "channeling" a child. And, he did oppose a disabled children's fund. He didn't do anything as Senator of NC, and didn't even finish out his first term before trying to springboard into the presidency. His own state would not elect him again.

[DoctorDoom]

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Ann Coulter is a fool...

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Well, lessee now. Ann Coulter graduated with honors from the Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences and received her J.D from the University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review. Ann Coulter has written three books, all of which were on the NYT best-seller list. Ann Coulter is a nationally-syndicated columnist. Ann Coulter appears regularly on national TV programs. Ann Coulter is known and loathed by every liberal numbwit in the world.

Samcat is an anonymous poster on a Web bulletin board.

Tell me why Ann Coulter should give a shit about Samcat's opinion of her.

[Samcat]

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DoctorDoom said:
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Ann Coulter is a fool...

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Well, lessee now. Ann Coulter graduated with honors from the Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences and received her J.D from the University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review. Ann Coulter has written three books, all of which were on the NYT best-seller list. Ann Coulter is a nationally-syndicated columnist. Ann Coulter appears regularly on national TV programs. Ann Coulter is known and loathed by every liberal numbwit in the world.

Samcat is an anonymous poster on a Web bulletin board.

Tell me why Ann Coulter should give a shit about Samcat's opinion of her.

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Bill Clinton was an Oxford scholar elected President of the United States and served two terms, do I have a high opinion of him? I doubt he gives a shit about my opinion of him.

I could cite Michael Moore's achievements and I believe he does not give a shit about my opinion of him either.

Got the point?

Give me someone with clarity of thought such as Phyllis Schaffly rather then someone like Coulter who invokes invectives with the speed of a Al Franken response.

[Samcat]

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Kathy29 said:
No matter what anyone thinks of Ann Coulter, the democrats are not entitled to their own facts and the facts are that John Edwards did use junk science to get multimillion dollar jury awards. John Edwards did claim to a jury that he was "channeling" a child. And, he did oppose a disabled children's fund. He didn't do anything as Senator of NC, and didn't even finish out his first term before trying to springboard into the presidency. His own state would not elect him again.

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I do not rely on Coulter or her columns to sway my opinions.

I have little respect for the "boy" (How does one qualify being a boy or a pup at 51) and I concur with everything else you said Kathy.

Edwards has done about as much in the Senate as Kerry has in his tenure.

[DoctorDoom]

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Got the point?

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No. You're free to think whatever you want of her, and we're free to consider your opinions irrelevant.

[Faithful_Servant]

Irrelevant doesn't quite express the depth to which I couldn't care about your opinion. The only problem is that I can't think of a word that would express how little I care... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon127.gif

[Samcat]

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Got the point?

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No. You're free to think whatever you want of her, and we're free to consider your opinions irrelevant.

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Will you make up your mind then? First you say it is Coulter who probably doesn't care about my opinion, now you say it is "we."

You are starting to sound like a liberal, Doc.

[UnkHiram]

My problem with Ann Coulter (and I suspect Samcats also) is that she frequently responds with insults and petty name calling instead of intelligent analyse. ALthough her views are conservative I have about as much respect for her as I do James Carvel.

[Samcat]

You got it, Unk!

[DoctorDoom]

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Will you make up your mind then? First you say it is Coulter who probably doesn't care about my opinion, now you say it is "we."

You are starting to sound like a liberal, Doc.

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"We " is those of us who, like Ann, don't care what you think of her. The premise extends to my not caring what you think of me, and to your not caring what I think of you. And we can all live together without killing each other. Isn't freedom wonderful?

[Maggie_T]

Rubbish! I read Ann's books and she analyzes things in detail and supports everything she says with facts and figures (the liberals' nemesis). The fact that she calls things by their proper name instead of bending over to treat liberals with the "respect" that they DO NOT deserve (like the ever-terminally sensitive do) only makes her more entertaining.

That you guys want to treat everyone with silk gloves gives you no right to slam Ann's biting wit, for THAT is what it is, much as you might want to deny it.

[DoctorDoom]

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My problem with Ann Coulter (and I suspect Samcats also) is that she frequently responds with insults and petty name calling instead of intelligent analyses.

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Do you know what happens to people who respond to liberRAT hatred and viciousness with "intelligent analyses"? A: nobody hears about them and nobody hears what they say.

A few examples from the inglorious past will make my point. First, snippets from various sound bites of the Contract with America era:

"Why do the Republicans want to take apples and milk away from six-year-olds... Starving children is not the solution to balancing our budget... The Republicans are taking food out of the mouths of needy and middle-class children... It's cruel to kids... It's really a contract against children... Stop declaring war on our kids... War on their children. War on their children... We're going to let the kids go hungry again... And our children are being left the crumbs of the Gingrich revolution."

"This legislation is mean... I'd also like to speak to (sic) a moment about the mean-spiritedness I'm hearing about out of the floor today... But how can they be so mean-spirited... These cuts are mean-spirited... The mean-spirited Republicans... It is mean-spirited. It is vicious... The contract is too extreme, too mean-spirited... The draconian, mean-spirited and immoral cuts in funding... We're seeing draconian cuts in all sorts of social-service programs... Once again, they're playing Robin Hood in reverse, taking from the poor to give to the rich."

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

"The Gingrich/Dole Congress has been the most anti-labor Congress and anti-working-people Congress in the history of the United States of America, and it's time to turn them OUT!"
-- Tree-hugger Gore

"This has been without a doubt the worst environmental Congress in the history of our country. Americans today, had they had their way, would be drinking dirtier water, breathing dirtier air, and facing public health risks they should not have to face."
-- Sen. Tom Daschle

"GOP - Get Old People"

"We view yesterday's action, taken by the Republican conference, as an assault on diversity in the Congress and an attempt to disempower communities through congressional ethnic and philosophical cleansing."
-- Kwese Nfume, re Republicans cutting funding for Congressional Black Caucus

"What's next? Castration? Sterilization?"

"They're coming for our children. They're coming for the poor. They're coming for the sick, the elderly and the disabled."
-- Rep. John Lewis, GA

"He can raise enough money from the extreme right wing, the extra-chromosome right wing (a shot at Down's Syndrome victims), to come in and buy enough advertising to just overwhelm the truth."
-- Compassionate Algore

"The reason they're trying to slow the rate of increase in the program, I suppose, is that eventually they'd like to see the program just die and go away. You know, that's probably what they'd like to see happen to some seniors, too, if you think about it."
-- Compassionate Mike McCurry.

"If this bill ever became law, our drinking water would be dirtier, would make more people sick, and would kill more people."
-- Tree-hugger Gore

"What's being done to our society, the torture and the maiming of our society, is incomprehensible."
-- Major Owens

"You're a bunch of dictators, that's all you are... I had to fight you guys fifty years ago."
-- Sam Gibbons (Republicans are Nazis)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

And from the era of President G.W. Bush...

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The United States "is on the slippery slope to theocratic fascism." "The Catholic Church has been secretly encouraging oral sex for years."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "ought to be tortured." President Bush should be taken out and shot.

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The queen of venom, Randi Rhodes, followed Franken in the host slot. Her imitation of a cracker military type telling a soldier to "insert this fluorescent light bulb into that man's buttocks" was revolting. She compared U.S. prisons in Iraq to the "Nazi gulag" and said, "The day I say thank you to Rumsfeld is the same day I'll say thank you to the 12 people who raped me."

Rock bottom came when she compared Bush and his family to the Corleones in the "Godfather" saga. "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw," she said, imitating the sound of gunfire.

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Liberal radio is airing bad jokes and worst taste (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/story/192671p-166266c.html)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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After celebrities raised $7.5 million with a concert for Democratic candidates John Kerry and John Edwards last night (July 8) in New York, an angry Bush campaign challenged their opponents to release a videotape showing performers calling the president a "liar" and a "cheap thug" during the show.

Actor Chevy Chase drew laughs and cheers from the Radio City Music Hall audience when he described politicians and their hobbies: "Clinton plays the sax, John plays the guitar, and the president's a liar." John Mellencamp sang a song about a "Texas Bandito" that referred to Bush as a "cheap thug."

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Celebrities didn't hold back, bashing Bush at every opportunity. "This guy's as bright as an egg timer," said Chase, who ridiculed the president for his tendency to flub the English language. Actor John Leguizamo, who is Puerto Rican, quipped: "Latins for Republicans. It's like roaches for Raid."

Actor Paul Newman assailed Bush's tax cuts as "borderline criminal," saying, "There is serious and dangerous stuff out there and something's gotta change." Actress Jessica Lange asked the crowd, "Are we going to continue to follow a self-serving regime of deceit, hypocrisy and belligerence?"

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Concert For Kerry/Edwards Raises $7.5M (http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000574095)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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When I read about people spitting on the Honor Guard at the New York State Democratic Convention May 16, I started to understand what has happened to my party over the last few years. I still can't get over the fact that Democrats attending a formal convention would so insult the American flag, but it happened. As an Honor Guard of Albany police officers entered the convention hall - with band playing and lights shining - they were spit on and called "Nazis" by a number of people on the delegate floor. On top of that, no Democrat nearby stopped the "spitters," or even reported them. And the Democratic leadership expressed no public outrage.

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On Sunday, June 18, the headline of the Washington Post read, "Political Dirty Tricks Alleged in Alabama Trial," but the story revealed something far more serious than "dirty tricks." A Democrat lawyer and a private investigator are now being tried for attempting to defeat a Republican candidate in 1998 by bribing a prostitute to accuse the Republican of raping her. The prostitute recanted and turned witness against the two "Democrats."

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About a week after the spitting incident at the New York Democratic Party Convention, there was another incident that shocked me profoundly. I still cannot believe this one actually happened, but it is on videotape. At the MCI Center fund-raiser in Washington, Robin Williams performed before a crowd of corporate and Democrat dignitaries, people who would that very night raise the party over 26 million dollars.

The fund-raiser, including Williams's performance, was broadcast live on C-SPAN. However, that didn't stop Robin Williams from doing some kind of seedy nightclub act. He used the F-word and other obscenities several times (C-SPAN later cut this out when the event was rebroadcast). Imagine. A grand room full of powerful Democrats, representatives of America's oldest political party, and the F-word is being said, over and over again with cameras recording!

As in the case of the harassment of the Honor Guard at the Albany Democratic Convention, the specific violation was bad enough, but the most egregious violation was the passive, cowardly acceptance of the audience. The hardest thing to believe - for those of us who remember America before 1992 - was that the president, vice president and Mrs. Clinton were at this fund-raiser. Did none of them think to stand up and leave? Didn't anyone in the audience consider booing the smutty language spoken before the assembled dignitaries? No, there was only laughter.

Even when Robin Williams noticed a child present and joked about the "new words" he was learning that night - even then - no one objected. Not one Democrat dared step forward and condemn the moment. Peer pressure is a powerful and coercive thing, for adults as well as children - one breaks rank at one's peril. And I'm sure it wouldn't have been good for "business" for the party leadership to create embarrassment at such a high-level Hollywood/corporate function. So everyone laughed.

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Fascism, corruption and my 'Democratic' Party (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16391)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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I had noticed that when a prominent Republican or conservative said something offensive about liberals, it typically set off a storm of media condemnation, while an anti-conservative smear voiced by a liberal or a Democrat rarely drew any protest. There was no end of sour commentary, for example, when Newt Gingrich recommended (in a GOP strategy meeting) that Clinton Democrats be portrayed as "the enemy of normal Americans." It was an outrageous remark, particularly from an incoming speaker of the House, and Gingrich deserved the drubbing he received.

But when Jesse Jackson explicitly likened the proposals of the new majority to Nazism and apartheid -- "If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism" -- there wasn't even a ripple of disapproval. Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease," she snarled on PBS. "Well, that's how I feel."

What was true in 1994 remains largely true today. MSNBC fired right-wing talk host Michael Savage in July, and rightly so, when he told a gay caller to "get AIDS and die, you pig." The liberal Nina Totenberg, on the other hand, suffered no ill effects for saying, during the flap over General Jerry Boykin's views of Islam and the war on terrorism, "I hope he's not long for this world." When the startled host asked if she were "putting a hit out on this guy," Totenberg backtracked and said she only wanted to see him expire "in his job."

But this isn't the first time the NPR diva has publicly wished death on a conservative. "I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind," she said of Senator Jesse Helms in 1995, "because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it."

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"What you have now" -- this is left-wing activist and actress Janeane Garofalo, analyzing the Republican Party during an appearance at the 92d Street Y in New York earlier this year -- "is people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes, and people who love . . . the politics of exclusion identifying as conservative." That was apparentlygood enough to win her a guest-host slot on CNN's "Crossfire," where she offered this thoughtful critique of the Patriot Act: "It is in fact a conspiracy of the 43d Reich."

Ah, yes, the reductio ad Hitlerum. Why meet a conservative with facts or logic when you can simply tar him with the Nazi brush? Thus we had Nancy Giles on the "CBS Sunday Morning show" sourly tying Rush Limbaugh's "edgy" radio manner to you-know-who's. "Hitler would have killed in talk radio," Giles declared. "He was edgy, too." Ellen Gray of the Philadelphia Daily News struck a similar note in commenting on "The Reagans," the cancelled miniseries. "If Hitler had more friends," she told The Washington Post, "CBS wouldn't have aired [its Hitler mini-series] either."

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Jacoby: Hate Speech from the Left (http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/000300.html)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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In a speech yesterday denouncing U.S. policy in Iraq, he compared George W. Bush first to Richard Nixon, which is excessive. Then he compared Bush to Faust and said the president had lost his soul in pursuit of a policy of "domination."

He accused the United States of setting up an "American Gulag," thus comparing the incidents at Abu Ghraib to Josef Stalin's vast slave-prison archipelago that shackled nearly 30 million people in an Arctic wasteland and caused the deaths of many millions more.

He has, in essence, declared that the monstrous American creeps we've seen in the Abu Ghraib photographs are victims as much as those they humiliated: "On the list of those he let down are the young soldiers who are themselves apparently culpable, but who were clearly put into a moral cesspool. The perpetrators as well as the victims were both placed in their relationship to one another by the policies of George W. Bush."

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GORE GOES GA-GA (http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/21671.htm)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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A self-described liberal talk-show host known for his disdain of the Bush administration called for the death penalty for the president and Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld for "war crimes," according to an audiotape.

Mike Webb, who has a late-night show on KIRO radio in Seattle, denied a report last week by Talon News, but the Internet site said today it has a tape that proves the host make the statements on the air.

The prison abuse in Iraq "is a war crime, committed by the president of the United States," Webb declared on his show. "And do you know what the punishment for that is? Death!"

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Talk host: Death penalty for Bush (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38671)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for that?

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It's a cliché this is becoming the meanest year in politics yet. But it's true. Last week, Mike Lavigne, the spokesman for the Texas Democratic Party, admitted calling a state Supreme Court justice "a Nazi." When his boss, Democratic Party chairman Charles Soecthting, was asked if an apology was due, he said, "I don't have a problem that Mike said it."

Then there's Sen. Ted Kennedy, who told a startled Senate last week that "Saddam's torture chambers have been reopened under new management, United States management." Some conservative talk show hosts, such as Michael Savage, have railed against gays and immigrants while they question John Kerry's patriotism. On the left, Bush bashing has become a national sport.

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Certainly there are rhetorical excesses on the right too. High-octane conservative Web sites feature vitriolic personal attacks on Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Teresa Heinz Kerry and others. But some liberal activists go further. Michael Goodwin of New York's Daily News spent a day listening to Air America, the new liberal talk-radio network, and found he had to endure hours of "rancid venom." Host Randi Rhodes compared U.S. prisons in Iraq to the "Nazi gulag," a mixed ideological metaphor as well as an inflammatory one.

Nor are Nazi allusions limited to talk radio. Seymour Hersh, who broke the story of the Iraqi prisons in The New Yorker, appeared on CNN last week and said a picture of two guard dogs snarling at a prisoner was "a scene from we know what, you know, [the] Third Reich." When host Wolf Blitzer asked him to be more specific, Mr. Hersh changed the subject.

MoveOn.org is financed in part by billionaire George Soros, who last year also compared Mr. Bush to Hitler and said that Israel was "likely" a big but secret reason for the war in Iraq. Mr. Soros is also a major financial backer of the Media Fund, an anti-Bush group directed by Harold Ickes, who served as President Clinton's deputy chief of staff. When Mr. Ickes was asked what its supporters thought of Mr. Soros's penchant for Bush-Hitler comparisons, Mr. Ickes said "we have not taken heat because of it."

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Anger Management (http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110005088)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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What I saw on the Portland, Ore., branch of the Independent Media Center this week is something I never thought I would see in this country.

That's where the memory of American hero Pat Tillman – the professional football player who gave up a $3.6 million sports contract to volunteer for military service in Iraq and Afghanistan and who lost his life last week – was cruelly attacked.

The anti-globalist website posted a story on the ex-NFL player who became an Army Ranger, Pat Tillman, with the title, "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan."

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The Portland Independent Media Center website was filled with comments affirming the "Dumb Jock" headline.

One suggested an alternative headline, " ... or, how about, 'privileged millionaire, blinded by nationalist mythology, p------ away the good life.'"

Another suggested headline was: "'Citizen of empire allows ignorance to cause him to die for imperialism' or maybe ... 'Capitalist chooses to kill innocents instead of cashing check.'"

One reader who was identified as "George W." wrote, "Thanks for the laugh."

Commenting on the article's reference to a "brave American," a reader replied: "'brave'???? for going over to Afghanistan completely uninvited and slaughtering brown-skinned people with advanced weaponry?"

Another said: "Tillman chose to go to Afghanistan. He's partially reponsible [sic] for the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians. No need to feel sorry for him, other than feeling bad that he was brainwashed into serving as a grunt."

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What country is this? (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38237)

Q: What are the "intelligent analyses" for those?

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ALthough her views are conservative I have about as much respect for her as I do James Carvel.

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The above are a small sampling of what President Bush and the GOP face day in and day out. It is raw, naked hatred. And what is the GOP response? "Gosh, guys, if we kiss your ****ing asses on prime time, will you like us just a little?" When the libeRAT scumbags constantly compare President Bush to Hitler, what is the GOP response? "Well, that's not really a kind thing to say. Let us reason together."

**** THE LIBERALS AND THE DEMOPUKES! "Intelligent analyses" don't work with them. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be compromised with, and they cannot be tolerated. They need their throats ripped out by blood-lusting GOP attack dogs. Ann is one of the few that realize that fact, and the gutless, jelly-spined moderates assail her for being harsh. Piss on the lot of them.

Sorry, guys, but I see no ****ing comparison between treasonous assholes telling our GIs to murder their officers and Ann Coulter calling Edwards a puppy.

And the fact that Ann is such a success is all the proof one needs that she's saying what a great number of conservatives want to hear.

[UnkHiram]

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Maggie_T said:
Rubbish! I read Ann's books and she analyzes things in detail and supports everything she says with facts and figures (the liberals' nemesis). The fact that she calls things by their proper name instead of bending over to treat liberals with the "respect" that they DO NOT deserve (like the ever-terminally sensitive do) only makes her more entertaining.

That you guys want to treat everyone with silk gloves gives you no right to slam Ann's biting wit, for THAT is what it is, much as you might want to deny it.

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Mags

First I never once said that the Liberal ranters deserve respect, what I said is that I have as much respect for Anne as I do for Carvel. They both deal in over the top rhetoric and belittle people who don't agree with them.

Second, I did not "SLAM" Anne. I pointed out why I did not care for her rants. I never denied that their is some truth in what Anne says, I just detest the way she presents it. BUT, if I decided to slam Anne I would have every right to do so because I have read her material and I am fairly knowlegable on the subject.

[UnkHiram]

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DoctorDoom said:

Do you know what happens to people who respond to liberRAT hatred and viciousness with "intelligent analyses"? A: nobody hears about them and nobody hears what they say.

**** THE LIBERALS AND THE DEMOPUKES! "Intelligent analyses" don't work with them. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be compromised with, and they cannot be tolerated. They need their throats ripped out by blood-lusting GOP attack dogs. Ann is one of the few that realize that fact, and the gutless, jelly-spined moderates assail her for being harsh. Piss on the lot of them.

Sorry, guys, but I see no ****ing comparison between treasonous assholes telling our GIs to murder their officers and Ann Coulter calling Edwards a puppy.

And the fact that Ann is such a success is all the proof one needs that she's saying what a great number of conservatives want to hear.

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Doc

I believe we have had the discussion before on another board, and I stand by my beliefs. As I stated and you quoted "MY Problem with Anne ... Etc", that means my personal problem with her tactics. It does not touch on the other idiots you quoted attacking the Conservative viewpoint. I agree with you that we will NEVER convince the hardcore left that conservatives are anything but the spawn of the devil. The battleground is for the undecided, the moderates, the people that read the rants you quoted and realize that they are rubbish. The way to convince these people is not to spew hate filled rants repleat with the very profane words that we condemn Whoopie for using. Instead it is to give rational, calm, intelligent arguments that prove our points. Keep in mind any semi-intelligent buffon can scream curse words and make idiotic comparisons between Hitler and the President, Most people ignore them.

Now, for the record I did not compare Anne to the people carrying the stupid signs you Mention. I compared Anne to James Carvel. I disagree with Anne's tactics I would not stoop so low as to insinuate that what she is doing is any way Unamerican.

I realize that this post is going to set me up for quite a few of the very types of response that I am decrying but I can live with that. While I am on the subject of that, let me say one other thing that I need to get off my chest. The amazing speed in which a new poster can get labeled as a troll or not worth responding to is amazing. Some of these young folks are only repeating the lies that they are taught in school, what we need to do is show them the error of their thinking instead of immediately insulting them. The other night I was attempting to draw one of these kids into a rational debate but before I could they were banned. On another string I answered the questions posted by one of these kids while others just slammed them. The kid (name forgotten) responded to me and started to discuss the issues instead of just posting mindless rhetoric.

I have been told that I am too patient, that I have not been doing this long enough to understand that these kids will never learn. Thats "Rubbish", Doc you have known me for years on various boards. I seldom loose my temper, I almost never engage in the type of beligerant mindless hate filled rhetoric that I am decrying. We want a chance to educate these kids, if we dont give them a chance to learn then we are relegating them to the Democratic Underground sites of this world. Do we really want to reinforce the inane garbage that they were taught in school?

[Maggie_T]

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UnkHiram said:

Mags

First I never once said that the Liberal ranters deserve respect, what I said is that I have as much respect for Anne as I do for Carvel. They both deal in over the top rhetoric and belittle people who don't agree with them.

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You're free to think and act as you wish, Unk. But I will NOT turn the other cheek to the liberals Goebbles. And what Anne does is exactly that. She refuses to turn the other cheek and gives as good as she gets. Fine by me.

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Second, I did not "SLAM" Anne.

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You compare her to evil Carvel, but you claim you don't slam her?! C'mon, Unk.

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I pointed out why I did not care for her rants. I never denied that their is some truth in what Anne says, I just detest the way she presents it. BUT, if I decided to slam Anne I would have every right to do so because I have read her material and I am fairly knowlegable on the subject.

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So am I. But I realize we're going to go around in circles forever on this topic. You don't approve of giving the libbiots a taste of their own medicine, I think that is the only way to get across to them. It's the only language they understand because it's THEIR language.

As to the eternal question "Do you want to descend to their level?" I rely HELL, YES. If that is going to get the message across, I am not above getting down and dirty now and then.

And as for the "undecided and the moderates", I have little respect for them and much less patience. If after hearing the hate speech the 'RATS constantly use to refer to conservatives and they STILL harbor doubts, they don't deserve to be taken into consideration.

And if the moderates are really moderate, don't you think they would be disgusted by the 'RATS' rethoric of hatred? In which case, they would not need to be convinced, would they.

[Maggie_T]

Doc, superb post, as usual. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/claps.gif

[Jeffrho]

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Rubbish! I read Ann's books and she analyzes things in detail and supports everything she says with facts and figures (the liberals' nemesis). The fact that she calls things by their proper name instead of bending over to treat liberals with the "respect" that they DO NOT deserve (like the ever-terminally sensitive do) only makes her more entertaining.

That you guys want to treat everyone with silk gloves gives you no right to slam Ann's biting wit, for THAT is what it is, much as you might want to deny it.

[/ QUOTE ]Right on Maggie. I love Ann Coulter. Coulter backs up her books with facts. Her latest book ("Treason") had 47 pages of references. Not only does she do outstanding research to validate her points, she turns the table on the libbies and fires some hardcore sarcasm back at them. Its funny watching the lefties get worked up when they get a taste of their own medicine.

[DoctorDoom]

Brer Unk, this brings to mind a by-now-axiomatic definition. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Can you show me ONE example of where intelligent analyses have ever achieved a positive result against the sort of mindless loathing that is seen in the above quotes and many others in my files? That hatred is SOP now. It washes over America like a tsunami of toxic waste, and it IS effective.

If one pays any heed to polls, President Bush's numbers are much lower than they should be, and it is precisely because of the 24/7 outpouring of hatred and venom from the libeRATs and their media toadies, who lie shamelessly about the president, his administration, the military, foreign policy, etcetera. Their insane hatred of Pres. Bush consumes their every waking moment.

Against that, what good is intelligent analysis? Who is listening? In fact, who is reporting it? Not the liberal media.

Who, then, is well-known and indeed notorious for rankling libeRATs? A: Anne Coulter. Why? Because she plays on their field and by their rules. However, unlike them she laces her needling with irrefutable fact. The libeRATs cannot resist assailing her, and whenever they do so, it gives her media attention that no "Mister Nice Guy" columnist or pundit will ever get.

We're all familiar with the range of conservative commentators because we go where they are. We visit WND and NewsMax and TownHall. The couch veggies don't. Go out into the street and ask the first 100 voting-age people you meet, "Can you name one conservative political commentator other than Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?" Chances are that if they name anyone, it's likely to be Ann Coulter.

Ergo, I am 100% in favor of her tweak-their-noses approch, and millions of others are as well.

You are of course absolutely free to disagree, but can you name one conservative who deals in intelligent analyses who is as effective as Ann at getting face time and publicity?

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I compared Anne to James Carvel.

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Carville might piss off conservatives, but was he effective? Obviously, else you wouldn't use him for a comparison with the assurance that we know the name. He might be the GOP's least favorite person, but he was and is very effective at what he does.

There is no longer any room for moderation and niceness. The libeRATs are tearing about like rabid animals, snapping and biting at everything in sight, and they must be treated as such. One doesn't try to appease them or compromise with them or surrender to them. One puts them down without hesitation.

The time for being nice is over. They established the rules. If they alone play by them, they win. That's a totally unacceptable outcome.

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The amazing speed in which a new poster can get labeled as a troll or not worth responding to is amazing.

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Usually, the trolls reveal themselves within half a dozen posts. They open with the standard, "I'm here to learn about the conservative viewpoint," and then either attack or totally ignore it when they are given it. They make it crystal clear that they are NOT hear to listen or debate, but to make pains in the ass of themselves.

BTW, we long ago learned to brush aside their wailing about being picked on and about our incivility. It's as insincere as their claims about wanting to learn.

And after the first hundred or so of them, they become tiresome. The same shit day after day grates on anyone's nerves, and we've grown impatient with it.

One method I use is to do a Google search for their usernames to find out where else they post. Or, I'll go to the usual liberaloony boards and do a search for them. Many of them aren't clever enough to use a different ID. It's often productive and revealing.

We don't casually dismiss anyone, but we know all the signs, and the trolls exhibit them with depressing regularity.

[Estragon]

Ann Coulter's style was developed as a television commentator when she would represent the conservative/Republican view on cable news shows. She was the first such spokesperson to pipe up and fight back instead of sitting politely while leftists spew venom, interrupt hosts and other guests, and generally dissemble.

Her column became popular because of her television style. She refuses to extend to the looney left a respect they do not deserve.

Some prefer the good ol' "bend over and spread 'em" conservative tactics which allows the left to get away with anything. Ann doesn't, and neither do I.

I hear complaints about Ann's "rants" without any examples of irrationality being offered. Perhaps Doc's post of leftist outrages will provoke a response giving examples of Ann being "over the top." I doubt it.

[DoctorDoom]

BTW, brer Unk, you have any intelligent analyses that could effectively rebut the items I cited in the long post? That's what were dealing with, so any suggestions would be helpful.

[DoctorDoom]

Folks, I can't really fault Unk for not seeing things our way. Maggie and I live in the sewer of hyperliberalism, New England. We are surrounded by it, immersed in it, and polluted by it. Our tolerance of it is thus far lower than that of the gentleman from Texas who most likely is not living in the heart of it.

[Maggie_T]

Perfectly true, Doc (BTW, in which of the socialist gulags are you held hostage? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ).

I want to explain why I'm so impatient with "moderates" and "undecided." But unfortunately, we have guests tonight so I have to dash out and buy stuff for dinner (you can tell their friendship is unconditional; I'm cooking).

[Samcat]

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Will you make up your mind then? First you say it is Coulter who probably doesn't care about my opinion, now you say it is "we."

You are starting to sound like a liberal, Doc.

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"We " is those of us who, like Ann, don't care what you think of her. The premise extends to my not caring what you think of me, and to your not caring what I think of you. And we can all live together without killing each other. Isn't freedom wonderful?

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There are many conservative people who do not care for Coulter or her tactics, but I do not presume to speak for them. That is called being an individual and thinking as such, Doc.

At any rate, haven't the Thing kicked your arse lately? The last time I heard about you was that you were in Hell. Read about in the last Fantastic Four.

[DoctorDoom]

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(BTW, in which of the socialist gulags are you held hostage?)

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Berkshire Country, home of Williams College, the Massachusetts College of Ultra-Liberal Arts, and the Berkshire Eagle (which is to the far left of the Globe, if you can imagine that).

[Samcat]

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Rubbish! I read Ann's books and she analyzes things in detail and supports everything she says with facts and figures (the liberals' nemesis). The fact that she calls things by their proper name instead of bending over to treat liberals with the "respect" that they DO NOT deserve (like the ever-terminally sensitive do) only makes her more entertaining.

That you guys want to treat everyone with silk gloves gives you no right to slam Ann's biting wit, for THAT is what it is, much as you might want to deny it.

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Yeah, I read her fist two books, and by the time I got through Slander, I said that was enough. Katie Couric compared to being the affable Eva Braun of morning television makes about as much sense as some of Moore's ramblings.

Yep, she has biting wit, the same kind that has made James Carville famous around certain liberal circles. The comparison Unk makes between Coulter and Carville is legitimate.

Of course, Ted Rall once told me that a show somewhat like counterpoint between himself and Ann Coulter would be quite entertaining. I am inclined to agree, but I would not watch it, any more than I watch Crossfire.

[Samcat]

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Estragon said:
Ann Coulter's style was developed as a television commentator when she would represent the conservative/Republican view on cable news shows. She was the first such spokesperson to pipe up and fight back instead of sitting politely while leftists spew venom, interrupt hosts and other guests, and generally dissemble.

Her column became popular because of her television style. She refuses to extend to the looney left a respect they do not deserve.

Some prefer the good ol' "bend over and spread 'em" conservative tactics which allows the left to get away with anything. Ann doesn't, and neither do I.

I hear complaints about Ann's "rants" without any examples of irrationality being offered. Perhaps Doc's post of leftist outrages will provoke a response giving examples of Ann being "over the top." I doubt it.




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Well, for one the column she wrote right after 9/11 encouraging people to either convert Muslims to Christians or killing them, or so was the theme of the column.

Yep, that was definitely over the top. That was the one that really turned me off about her. Her columns have been invectives filled with venom since then.

[Politicalmom]

Some people can't comprehend sarcasm.......

This was a good article with some salient points, which are being ignored in this thread.

[UnkHiram]

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BTW, brer Unk, you have any intelligent analyses that could effectively rebut the items I cited in the long post? That's what were dealing with, so any suggestions would be helpful.

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Doc

I will endeavor to do just that. I printed your post (Thankfully I just bought a new ream of paper) and I will research answers for the items you mentioned. I am not ducking the issue (I Know you wont suggest that, but others might), I am going the extra step to answer you.

[Samcat]

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Some people can't comprehend sarcasm.......

This was a good article with some salient points, which are being ignored in this thread.



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Yep, and I guess Carville says that all the time and Moore presents some of it in his movies...

I don't care for those lunatics either...

[Timberwolf]

Okay, Sam...put up or shut up time. Cite ONE instance of Anne Coulter telling a bald-faced lie about the left. Just ONE.

Then, we'll talk about James "Snakehead" Carville and Paul "the foreskin" Begala, and Paul "I'm a ****ing lunatic" Krugman, and Al "I wish I were a tree" Gore, and Al "FrankenF**k".

Comparing Coulter's jibes at liberals to what liberals say about us is akin to comparing apples to Pluto.

[Samcat]

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Okay, Sam...put up or shut up time. Cite ONE instance of Anne Coulter telling a bald-faced lie about the left. Just ONE.

Then, we'll talk about James "Snakehead" Carville and Paul "the foreskin" Begala, and Paul "I'm a ****ing lunatic" Krugman, and Al "I wish I were a tree" Gore, and Al "FrankenF**k".

Comparing Coulter's jibes at liberals to what liberals say about us is akin to comparing apples to Pluto.

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Actually, I never did make that claim. I just was commenting on her lunacy and diatribes(which I compare to the clowns above), not her veracity..

But to call someone who is 51 a pup is stretching the truth a bit, don't you think?

[Estragon]

She was making fun of his youthful visage, Samcat. It's a joke.

We've suffered the outrageous ridicule of the left for decades. Now we have a conservababe who throws it right back at them.

The leftists hate Ann with great passion. That alone is reason enough to admire her!

[Maggie_T]

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There are many conservative people who do not care for Coulter or her tactics ...

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Yes. They don't care for us, either. But they have no problem with the vicious Internet Infidels, as you can see by the link. I'm sure you're going to love that paragon of individual thinking, wonderbread.

Toxic waste dump (http://www.iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=39&t=000744)

I'm sorry, but I have no use for "moderates" like that. Maine is full of them. Coincidentally, they invariably vote democRAT.

[Maggie_T]

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(BTW, in which of the socialist gulags are you held hostage?)

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Berkshire Country, home of Williams College, the Massachusetts College of Ultra-Liberal Arts, and the Berkshire Eagle (which is to the far left of the Globe, if you can imagine that).

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Yes, I can (shudders). You have my condolences, poor thing.

[DesertFox]

I like Coulter because she rants back at libs even better than they do at conservatives. Her stuff is funny while their stuff only drips acid.

Coulter readily admits to being a polemicist. But she also does her homework. Any mistakes she makes are minor.

[FluffyDoomBunny]

The only thing that I particularly dislike about Ann is that I think she sometimes spends TOO much time ranting back and sometimes her facts get drowned out by this.

I think she over does it by about 50%.

[Maggie_T]

The reason why I like Anne is because she gives as good as she takes. None of the nonsensical, holier-than-thou, oh-I'm-too-patrician-to-be-anything-but-Ms.-Manners that unfortunately permeates conservative politics these days.

[Samcat]

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She was making fun of his youthful visage, Samcat. It's a joke.

We've suffered the outrageous ridicule of the left for decades. Now we have a conservababe who throws it right back at them.

The leftists hate Ann with great passion. That alone is reason enough to admire her!





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Two wrongs do not make a right, Estragon. Of course one is necessary for a left though.

Just because we suffer the outrageous ridicule of the left does not mean we have to go in the gutter with them, and that is what Coulter seems to do too frequently. Do we need to sacrifice our ethics and good manners to go after them?

Only Conservatives recognize the thing that the Vice President did on the floor (although that clown certainly deserved it and more) was not appropriate behavior, and can be objectively critical of him. You won't see Liberals do that to their own. That is what separates us from them.

We hold ourselves to a higher standard than them. Let's keep to it, and leave the lower ground to the Carvilles of the world...

[Samcat]

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Samcat said:

There are many conservative people who do not care for Coulter or her tactics ...

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Yes. They don't care for us, either. But they have no problem with the vicious Internet Infidels, as you can see by the link. I'm sure you're going to love that paragon of individual thinking, wonderbread.

Toxic waste dump (http://www.iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=39&t=000744)

I'm sorry, but I have no use for "moderates" like that. Maine is full of them. Coincidentally, they invariably vote democRAT.


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Sorry, I have not voted for a Democrat since Bob Casey who was a pro-life Democrat running against a pro-abortion Republican, Barbara Hafer. Of course, I don't live in Maine.

And your ad hom attacks against me make you lose credibility. Just like Coulter.

[Samcat]

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The reason why I like Anne is because she gives as good as she takes. None of the nonsensical, holier-than-thou, oh-I'm-too-patrician-to-be-anything-but-Ms.-Manners that unfortunately permeates conervative politics these days.

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You don't have to be Ms. Manners like to tear apart liberals.

You just don't have to descend to their level either, and then your ranting becomes more important that your message, which is Coulter's major problem.

[Estragon]

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She was making fun of his youthful visage, Samcat. It's a joke.

We've suffered the outrageous ridicule of the left for decades. Now we have a conservababe who throws it right back at them.

The leftists hate Ann with great passion. That alone is reason enough to admire her!





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Two wrongs do not make a right, Estragon. Of course one is necessary for a left though.

Just because we suffer the outrageous ridicule of the left does not mean we have to go in the gutter with them, and that is what Coulter seems to do too frequently. Do we need to sacrifice our ethics and good manners to go after them?

Only Conservatives recognize the thing that the Vice President did on the floor (although that clown certainly deserved it and more) was not appropriate behavior, and can be objectively critical of him. You won't see Liberals do that to their own. That is what separates us from them.

We hold ourselves to a higher standard than them. Let's keep to it, and leave the lower ground to the Carvilles of the world...

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We have held that high standard for decades. It only encouraged more outrageous behavior from the left. When a bully slaps you, you can verbally reprimand him after turning over your lunch money, or you can punch him in the mouth and enjoy your vegetable medley at your leisure.

As far as Cheney's remark goes, if a guy pretty much called me a crook on national television and then approached me with a smile, offering his hand, I would probably have decked him. Civility is the way we deal with honorable people. Leahy is no honorable man.

You can't have a reasoned and rational discourse with someone who is screaming at the top of their lungs that you are trying to kill children and old people. Sitting there looking smugly offended doesn't do it; the left's charge is left unanswered, and they are only encouraged to spew more lies more loudly.

Buckley could make them look foolish to those literate enough to understand his obscure vocabulary and opaque wit, but that isn't much of the voting population. Coulter's sharp one-liners put them back on their heels. Their hate for her proves her effectiveness.

[Samcat]

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Samcat said:
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Estragon said:
She was making fun of his youthful visage, Samcat. It's a joke.

We've suffered the outrageous ridicule of the left for decades. Now we have a conservababe who throws it right back at them.

The leftists hate Ann with great passion. That alone is reason enough to admire her!





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Two wrongs do not make a right, Estragon. Of course one is necessary for a left though.

Just because we suffer the outrageous ridicule of the left does not mean we have to go in the gutter with them, and that is what Coulter seems to do too frequently. Do we need to sacrifice our ethics and good manners to go after them?

Only Conservatives recognize the thing that the Vice President did on the floor (although that clown certainly deserved it and more) was not appropriate behavior, and can be objectively critical of him. You won't see Liberals do that to their own. That is what separates us from them.

We hold ourselves to a higher standard than them. Let's keep to it, and leave the lower ground to the Carvilles of the world...

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We have held that high standard for decades. It only encouraged more outrageous behavior from the left. When a bully slaps you, you can verbally reprimand him after turning over your lunch money, or you can punch him in the mouth and enjoy your vegetable medley at your leisure.

As far as Cheney's remark goes, if a guy pretty much called me a crook on national television and then approached me with a smile, offering his hand, I would probably have decked him. Civility is the way we deal with honorable people. Leahy is no honorable man.

You can't have a reasoned and rational discourse with someone who is screaming at the top of their lungs that you are trying to kill children and old people. Sitting there looking smugly offended doesn't do it; the left's charge is left unanswered, and they are only encouraged to spew more lies more loudly.

Buckley could make them look foolish to those literate enough to understand his obscure vocabulary and opaque wit, but that isn't much of the voting population. Coulter's sharp one-liners put them back on their heels. Their hate for her proves her effectiveness.




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I don't believe in using those methods, and because of the nonsense that we used just encouraged the clowns from the other side to use more shocking attacks.

Oh, the heck with decking Leahy, cane him like Brooks did to Sumner prior to the civil war. Better yet shoot him. Would that make you feel better?

Why waste your time yelling at the top of your lungs. Sooner or later those cretins get laryginitis and everyone complains about their ears.

They hate Coulter for her nastiness which is equal to their own. Buckley's sharp wit disarmed the lunacy of their comments, and that is what we need, not more invectives.

[DoctorDoom]

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I don't believe in using those methods, and because of the nonsense that we used just encouraged the clowns from the other side to use more shocking attacks.

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That's the same craniorectally-impacted "logic" that says that we must not upset the camel-humping barbarians who passionately want to kill us because it might make them passionately want to kill us.

Guy, the libeRATs have been using "shocking tactics" since the Reagan era. Just how much more of their hatred and venom are you willing to absorb before you conclude that the motherf**kers don't respect anything or anyone, cannot be reasoned with, and must therefore be crushed like the vile insects that they are?

Hats off to the queen of lib-bashing, Ann Coulter. Would that we had more like her instead of the gutless, spineless, snivelling appeasers and compromisers who just want to be liked.

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Oh, the heck with decking Leahy, cane him like Brooks did to Sumner prior to the civil war. Better yet shoot him. Would that make you feel better?

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Sounds good to me. Can we throw in another 11 to make it an even dozen?

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They hate Coulter for her nastiness which is equal to their own.

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Aw gee willikers gosharootie all golly darn, that's just TERRIBLE! So your "solution" would be to be nice and let them corner the market on nastiness, while our side looks like cringing, grovelling, mousy Caspar Milquetoasts? Sorry, dude, there's no longer any room for that. The RAT bastards started it a couple of decades ago. It's time to take off the mink gloves, put on the gauntlets, and whup ass.

[Samcat]

Right, Doc, let's just cane them all. Beat them to a pulp!

Will that make you feel better?

I don't opt for MAD, but hold my ground.

[Maggie_T]

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Sorry, I have not voted for a Democrat since Bob Casey who was a pro-life Democrat running against a pro-abortion Republican, Barbara Hafer. Of course, I don't live in Maine.

And your ad hom attacks against me make you lose credibility. Just like Coulter.

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Sam, chill out. My remarks about moderates were not directed at you. I made a general statement. Of course, if you think the description fits ...

You don't approve of mouthy conservatives. I don't approve of so-called moderates. Surely, I am entitled to my opinion same as you are entitled to yours.

I didn't mean to offend you. I just put you in the same category as Unk: too polite, too leninent with libs. It's not a crime. Just not my way of dealing with the leftist scum. But I stand by my affirmation that moderates are for the best part, a lot of hand-wringing cry babies just as you defend your anti-mouthy position.

Come on, now. We're on the same side, fighting against the same foe. We don't need to fight among ourselves.

You deal with 'RATS (oops, there I go again) your way, I'll deal with them my way.

[Samcat]

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Samcat said:

Sorry, I have not voted for a Democrat since Bob Casey who was a pro-life Democrat running against a pro-abortion Republican, Barbara Hafer. Of course, I don't live in Maine.

And your ad hom attacks against me make you lose credibility. Just like Coulter.

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Sam, chill out. My remarks about moderates were not directed at you. I made a general statement. Of course, if you think the description fits ...

You don't approve of mouthy conservatives. I don't approve of so-called moderates. Surely, I am entitled to my opinion same as you are entitled to yours.

I didn't mean to offend you. I just put you in the same category as Unk: too polite, too leninent with libs. It's not a crime. Just not my way of dealing with the leftist scum. But I stand by my affirmation that moderates are for the best part, a lot of hand-wringing cry babies just as you defend your anti-mouthy position.

Come on, now. We're on the same side, fighting against the same foe. We don't need to fight among ourselves.

You deal with 'RATS (oops, there I go again) your way, I'll deal with them my way.

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I don't have a problem with you calling them 'RATS. Heck, I call them Demoncrats, but I believe some things are over the top, such as some of Coulter's tactics.

And I do call trolls here as I see them, and I will continue to do so.