Abstinence, Condom Controversy Erupts at AIDS Meet

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<font size=4>Abstinence, Condom Controversy Erupts at AIDS Meet</font>

Jul 12, 8:55 AM (ET)

By Darren Schuettler
BANGKOK (Reuters) - A controversy erupted at a global AIDS conference on Monday over whether abstaining from sex or using condoms was more effective to prevent the disease.

Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni brought the issue, which has set many AIDS activists at odds with Washington, into the open at the first full day of the AIDS conference by saying abstinence was the best way to stem the spread of the killer virus.

The remarks by Museveni, whose country is a rare success story in Africa's war on AIDS, were at odds with health experts who back condoms as a frontline defense against the incurable disease.

"I look at condoms as an improvisation, not a solution," Museveni told delegates on the second day of the 15th International AIDS Conference in Bangkok.

Instead, he called for "optimal relationships based on love and trust instead of institutionalized mistrust which is what the condom is all about."

Museveni added fuel to a debate within the AIDS community over the best way to halt the spread of a disease that has killed 20 million people and infected 38 million. Uganda's "ABC" method (Abstinence, Being faithful and Condoms) is a model for the AIDS policies of the administration of President Bush and which are under fire at the conference for advocating sexual abstinence to stem infection.

This year's smaller U.S. delegation, which the United States says reflects a desire to cut costs, is seen partly as a sign of Washington's displeasure that its approach appears to have had little influence on the agenda.

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[nzkiwi14]

how can they even ask which is more effective? No sex of course!!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Okay, this is a no-brainer ... abstinence works 100% of the time when tried. NO condom manufacturer can boast as much. What a ridiculous "controversy."

[DoctorDoom]

They're liberals. They support promiscuous sex. Ergo abstinence is unfathomable to them.

[21stcenturyrome]

I don't agree that they support promiscuous sex. What they do support is at least SOME protection for the people who are going to do what they are going to do regardless of what any body else says.

And condom use can help prevent abortions by ill prepared teenagers.

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What the heck do you call this then

HOMO-SEX-UAL

it is a connotation of a Sexual Preference.

PS: people can Control their behavior if taught to, that argument that 'they will do it irregardless of what we do' is a copout!

That is a very poor excuse

[DoctorDoom]

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I don't agree that they support promiscuous sex.

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And I should care because?

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What they do support is at least SOME protection for the people who are going to do what they are going to do regardless of what any body else says.

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This is equivalent to telling them, "Look, we know you're going to drive while drunk, so wear your seat belts."

IMO, if they're that stupid and irresponsible, then let the assholes contract some fatal STD and kill themselves. Our responsibility does not extend to looking out for the welfare of self-destructive idiots.

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And condom use can help prevent abortions by ill prepared teenagers.

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When a hormone-saturated teenage boy is thinking with his nads, do you really believe that he's going to stop and slip on a sheath?

If they're that "ill-prepared", WTF are they doing screwing?

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many homosexuals still refuse to use condoms despite all the warnings and education, because they see 'AIDs research making some headway they drop all protections in a heartbeat and keep spreading the diseases irregardless because 'there will be a cure soon' type attitude.

[nzkiwi14]

that's really nasty but it's true /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yeahthat.gif

[21stcenturyrome]

***"What the heck do you call this then
HOMO-SEX-UAL
it is a connotation of a Sexual Preference.
PS: people can Control their behavior if taught to, that argument that 'they will do it irregardless of what we do' is a copout!
That is a very poor excuse "***

it's very difficult for poorly supervised young people to control their hormones. i'm sure you can remember what that's like.

of course homosexuality is a preference.

***"And I should care because?"***

then don't bother replying to my posts.

***""Look, we know you're going to drive while drunk, so wear your seat belts."**

if that is the absolute most you can do for those specific people, that is exactly correct. if you can't stop someone from engaging in dangerous behaviour (such as driving a car SOBER) then asking them to do at least that much is better than nothing.

***"When a hormone-saturated teenage boy is thinking with his nads, do you really believe that he's going to stop and slip on a sheath?"***

well, i myself did, as well as a number of others i've known. SO YES, some will.

"***many homosexuals still refuse to use condoms despite all the warnings and education, because they see 'AIDs research making some headway they drop all protections in a heartbeat and keep spreading the diseases irregardless because 'there will be a cure soon' type attitude"***

a lot of people feel that way, and it is definitely a very sad thing. but people look at a lot of things that way, not just aids. but that doesn't mean we should stop trying to cure aids or prevent infection.

***"If they're that "ill-prepared", WTF are they doing screwing? "***

because they don't know that they're ill prepared. they are kids. they think they can handle anything. like politicians.

[DoctorDoom]

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it's very difficult for poorly supervised young people to control their hormones. i'm sure you can remember what that's like.

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I remember being a teenager. I DON'T remember where ****ing was the rite of passage. Back then, a girl who "put out" was a tramp, and a boy who screwed everything in a skirt was an asshole. They were looked down upon by every decent kid. And, we didn't have promiscuous, loveless, passionless sex shoved at usd from every movie screen and TV.

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of course homosexuality is a preference.

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It most certainly is.

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***"And I should care because?"***

then don't bother replying to my posts.

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I'll reply to any post that I damned well please. Do you think you're immune from criticism because you're liberal? Welcome to reality, kid.

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***""Look, we know you're going to drive while drunk, so wear your seat belts."**

if that is the absolute most you can do for those specific people, that is exactly correct. if you can't stop someone from engaging in dangerous behaviour (such as driving a car SOBER) then asking them to do at least that much is better than nothing.

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IMO, if they're that stupid and self-destructive, let them die and remove themselves from the gene pool.

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***"When a hormone-saturated teenage boy is thinking with his nads, do you really believe that he's going to stop and slip on a sheath?"***

well, i myself did...

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So a frail piece of latex was your substitute for self-control and self-respect. How very typical of the "If it feels good, do it!" generation.

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...as well as a number of others i've known. SO YES, some will.

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You choice of associates leaves much to be desired. But then, so did theirs. IAC, anecdotal evidence is a staple in the extremely limited list of liberal "arguments", but it proves precisely nothing.

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"***many homosexuals still refuse to use condoms despite all the warnings and education, because they see 'AIDs research making some headway they drop all protections in a heartbeat and keep spreading the diseases irregardless because 'there will be a cure soon' type attitude"***

a lot of people feel that way, and it is definitely a very sad thing...

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Sad, hell! The perverts DEMAND cures for STDs so that they can continue their dangerous, self-destructive sexual activity without consequence. If they want to continue their perverse "lifestyle", let them accept everything that goes with it.

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...but people look at a lot of things that way, not just aids.

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That are there are a lot of idiots does not excuse idiocy.

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...but that doesn't mean we should stop trying to cure aids...

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No virus-based disease has ever been cured. This one won't be the first.

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... or prevent infection.

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Infection is prevented by not doing what causes infection. There is no right on Earth to continue doing what is known to spread diseases.

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***"If they're that "ill-prepared", WTF are they doing screwing? "***

because they don't know that they're ill prepared. they are kids. they think they can handle anything. like politicians.

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Well gee golly willikers, I thought that "sex education" made them all ready to go out into the world and indulge in profligate bed-hopping without any deleterious effects.

[Faithful_Servant]

This isn't just about aids, Museveni publically commited himself and his country to righteousness through Jesus Christ. His country is one of the most stable in an area that is rampant with instability. Uganda may not be perfect, but it is one of the best exapmles of what is possible. The people sponsoring this conference are threatened by Museveni's success and his Christianity.
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In Asia, where infection rates are rising among injecting drug users, young people and homosexuals, some NGOs advocate the "CNN method" which stresses condoms, needles and negotiation

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They need to be using the NSOM (No Sex Outside of Marriage) method combined with the SUD (Stop Using Drugs) method combined with the SDTJC (Salvation and Deliverence Through Jesus Christ) method. These three methods are proven to be highly successful at stopping the spread of aids, but unfortunately they don't put billions of dollars in the hands of the UN mafia.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

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Faithful_Servant said:
They need to be using the NSOM (No Sex Outside of Marriage) method combined with the SUD (Stop Using Drugs) method combined with the SDTJC (Salvation and Deliverence Through Jesus Christ) method. These three methods are proven to be highly successful at stopping the spread of aids, but unfortunately they don't put billions of dollars in the hands of the UN mafia.

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Absolutely fabulous, Faithful_Servant!! VERY well said, Bravo!
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[21stcenturyrome]

*** I DON'T remember where ****ing was the rite of passage. Back then, a girl who "put out" was a tramp, and a boy who screwed everything in a skirt was an asshole. They were looked down upon by every decent kid. And, we didn't have promiscuous, loveless, passionless sex shoved at usd from every movie screen and TV.***

well today it is a rite of passage. and people are bombarded with sexual messages daily. just look at the fashion industry. the standards of "decent" behaviour you speak of have long since faded. the leave it to beaver way of life is completely foreign to me, and a vast multitude of others. it is not how we were raised.

***I'll reply to any post that I damned well please. Do you think you're immune from criticism because you're liberal? Welcome to reality, kid***

the comment in question was not criticism. it was a pointless question. obviously im used to criticism here. that's nothing new and im amused you brought that point up.

***So a frail piece of latex was your substitute for self-control and self-respect. How very typical of the "If it feels good, do it!" generation.***

it did not serve as either. keep in mind i don't fear going to hell because of getting laid. its not a concern i have now, or ever. i had complete control over my actions and i have plenty of self respect, thank you. and love was involved.

*** You choice of associates leaves much to be desired. But then, so did theirs. IAC, anecdotal evidence is a staple in the extremely limited list of liberal "arguments", but it proves precisely nothing.***

the first sentence is an opinon, not a fact. there was nothing anecdotal about what i said. i proved a point by providing a real life example.

***Sad, hell! The perverts DEMAND cures for STDs so that they can continue their dangerous, self-destructive sexual activity without consequence. If they want to continue their perverse "lifestyle", let them accept everything that goes with it.***

you seem hellbent on the idea that stds are contracted only by the lowest of the low. this is not true. lots of "decent" people get stds all the time. and we should do what we can to stop the spread of stds before it wipes my generation, and those that follow, completely out. which it will if we don't take action.

***That are there are a lot of idiots does not excuse idiocy.***

so everyone is just born as smart as you think you are, then? no two peoples brains are wired the same way, ya know.

***Well gee golly willikers, I thought that "sex education" made them all ready to go out into the world and indulge in profligate bed-hopping without any deleterious effects. ***

doing most anything at all is a potential hazard to your well being. sex education teaches nothing. i know, i had to deal with that class.

***They need to be using the NSOM (No Sex Outside of Marriage) method combined with the SUD (Stop Using Drugs) method combined with the SDTJC (Salvation and Deliverence Through Jesus Christ) method. These three methods are proven to be highly successful at stopping the spread of aids, but unfortunately they don't put billions of dollars in the hands of the UN mafia.***

i agree that sounds like a most effective way to deal with the issue. but you should still try to help people who don't share the same moral code and religious beliefs. translation: continue aids research, etc.

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This isn't just about aids, Museveni publically commited himself and his country to righteousness through Jesus Christ. His country is one of the most stable in an area that is rampant with instability. Uganda may not be perfect, but it is one of the best exapmles of what is possible. The people sponsoring this conference are threatened by Museveni's success and his Christianity.
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In Asia, where infection rates are rising among injecting drug users, young people and homosexuals, some NGOs advocate the "CNN method" which stresses condoms, needles and negotiation

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They need to be using the NSOM (No Sex Outside of Marriage) method combined with the SUD (Stop Using Drugs) method combined with the SDTJC (Salvation and Deliverence Through Jesus Christ) method. These three methods are proven to be highly successful at stopping the spread of aids, but unfortunately they don't put billions of dollars in the hands of the UN mafia.

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Bravo and well said Faithful_Servant.

And so very true.

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*** I DON'T remember where ****ing was the rite of passage. Back then, a girl who "put out" was a tramp, and a boy who screwed everything in a skirt was an asshole. They were looked down upon by every decent kid. And, we didn't have promiscuous, loveless, passionless sex shoved at usd from every movie screen and TV.***

well today it is a rite of passage. and people are bombarded with sexual messages daily. just look at the fashion industry. the standards of "decent" behaviour you speak of have long since faded. the leave it to beaver way of life is completely foreign to me, and a vast multitude of others. it is not how we were raised.


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It is no more a rite of passage than it was when I was a teenager, and I graduated High school in 1982.

It was the same there as Doc described, there were girls there that the boys would snicker and laugh about because they were 'easy' and they were not respected by the boys, only used.

FYI lad I'm 40 years old, will be 41 this august 19th, and I have never known any man and wont till I marry, its not easy but its called <font size=3>Self-Control</font>.

That is something you need to learn, as it is well noted that people who excercise self-control have better self-confidence in themselves and are happier and are more respected than those who dont.

We are not animals to screw when we please, we have a mind, and thus we should use it to control our baser instincts, if you think kids cant, you're sadly mistaken.

It can be done, as i am a prime result of self-control, and I will hold out till marriage, and if I never marry then fine, so be it, I'm happier as I am this way.

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***So a frail piece of latex was your substitute for self-control and self-respect. How very typical of the "If it feels good, do it!" generation.***

It did not serve as either. keep in mind i don't fear going to hell because of getting laid. its not a concern i have now, or ever. i had complete control over my actions and i have plenty of self respect, thank you. and love was involved.

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Hun, fornication is a sin, you had best understand and remember that.
And if you had complete control over yourself and have such self-confidence then why do you feel you have the need to screw a woman for? why dont you respect not only yourself but the lady you are with and not have sex? Is that such an alien concept to you? to respect a woman and not take advantage of her?

And love when it involves sex is measured in how many times you get the jollies, as the rest is superficial, believe me I've seen 'marriages' based soley on sex, and they do NOT last.

'Love' as you would define it would be in the context of sexual gratification, as you dont know any better.

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***Sad, hell! The perverts DEMAND cures for STDs so that they can continue their dangerous, self-destructive sexual activity without consequence. If they want to continue their perverse "lifestyle", let them accept everything that goes with it.***

You seem hellbent on the idea that stds are contracted only by the lowest of the low. this is not true. lots of "decent" people get stds all the time. and we should do what we can to stop the spread of stds before it wipes my generation, and those that follow, completely out. which it will if we don't take action.


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Hate to tell you but decent people per se do not screw like rabbits, and decent people may get AIDs, but its because of extenuating circumstances, like blood donations or people who take advantage of their vulnerabilities.

And FYI they have been trying to find a cure for STD's for decades, when i was in school they have been trying to cure STD's have they gone any further? no why because what Doc says is true, viruses cannot be cured, as STD's and AIDs are not the same as polio or mumps and measles, its a completely different group altogether and the only way to get these diseases to stop, lessen or go away is to stop the behaviors that are contributing to their rise.

And that my dear is premarital sex, homosexual sex, and sex outside the bounds of Marriage, period.

But, some kids wont learn till they learn it the hard way, and usually anymore nowadays it only takes once and learning the hard way can be a death sentence anymore. (not the way it used to be in my day which only meant shame, or an unwanted child or an unwanted STD that might make you sterile for life.)

You wanna risk a death sentence for a few minutes of sexual pleasure, then fine thats your choice but I won't.

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***That are there are a lot of idiots does not excuse idiocy.***

So everyone is just born as smart as you think you are, then? no two peoples brains are wired the same way, ya know.

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Doesnt matter how weirdly a person's mind is wired, its how they apply themselves in life that either makes them an idiot or a smart person, having the common sense not to screw like rabbits is a smart decision, but screwing like rabbits is an isiotic decision.

Idiots are idiots, people who are idiots refuse to look at reality and common sense in the face and deal with it as they should in a responsible and prudent manner.

Having sex outside marriage isnt a sensible, responsible thing to do now is it? it is a risky behavior that can net you a death sentence anymore nowadays.

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***They need to be using the NSOM (No Sex Outside of Marriage) method combined with the SUD (Stop Using Drugs) method combined with the SDTJC (Salvation and Deliverence Through Jesus Christ) method. These three methods are proven to be highly successful at stopping the spread of aids, but unfortunately they don't put billions of dollars in the hands of the UN mafia.***

I agree that sounds like a most effective way to deal with the issue. but you should still try to help people who don't share the same moral code and religious beliefs. translation: continue aids research, etc

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You just dont get it do you? AIDs research is nothing but a huge black hole that will never find a cure, its behavior changes that WILL stop AIDs, AID's research money takes away from more deadly killer diseases like cancer which isnt spread through stupidity like sex.

Now before you start on 'O they smoke cigarettes thats how they get cancer' hate ta tell you but cancer can hit non-smokers, animals people who never touched a cigarette in their lives.

You have liver cancer, sklin cancer, and lung cancer and brain tumors, lymphatic cancer and more.

More poeple die of cancer than they do of AIDs but because its o so PC to pander and coddle the homosexuals, people are led by the nose like lemmings on the idea that 'there can be a cure for AID's' when in reality there has NEVER been a cure for ANY STD in this world, only changes in behavior will ever do that.

Money poured down the black hole of AIDs research is money taken out of other research for many many other more deadly diseases.

ANYONE can get cancer, but only people who engage in the risky 'behavior' of sex and drug use gets aids (and through blood donations because homosexuals unfortunately still lie and contribute blood at blood drives).

Now one more thing, Would you PLEASE do us all a favor and use the damn Quote features?

[ quote ] and [ /quote ] together OK? when quoting other people, it is a sheer pain to have to go through our lame quotations when trying to address you and your arguments.

[Faithful_Servant]

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21stcenturyrome said:

you seem hellbent on the idea that stds are contracted only by the lowest of the low. this is not true. lots of "decent" people get stds all the time. and we should do what we can to stop the spread of stds before it wipes my generation, and those that follow, completely out. which it will if we don't take action.


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Your deifinition of decent needs to be re-evaluated. Decent people do not have sex outside of marriage. decent people do not pass on STDs when they know they have them. Decent people commit to one person and stick by that commitment. STDs can be completely eliminated with one technique - no sex outside of marriage.

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They need to be using the NSOM (No Sex Outside of Marriage) method combined with the SUD (Stop Using Drugs) method combined with the SDTJC (Salvation and Deliverence Through Jesus Christ) method. These three methods are proven to be highly successful at stopping the spread of aids, but unfortunately they don't put billions of dollars in the hands of the UN mafia.***

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i agree that sounds like a most effective way to deal with the issue. but you should still try to help people who don't share the same moral code and religious beliefs. translation: continue aids research, etc.

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"A" most effective way??? How about "THE" most effective way. The only way with virtually a 100% success rate. If people live by these ideas, the only way a person could contract aids would be through blood/tissue transfusion/transplant or rape.
The problem I have with aids research is that it takes monet away from researching diseases that are not spread through immoral behavior. Diseases like juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's disease, MS, etc. Instead, you have 100s of millions being spent on research to allow people to find a medical cure for a disease that has a behavioral solution.

BTW - please learn how to use the UBB code when quoting people, it makes it much easier to read.

[21stcenturyrome]

"***It is no more a rite of passage than it was when I was a teenager, and I graduated High school in 1982."***

i disagree 100%. times change very fast in this age.

"*** there were girls there that the boys would snicker and laugh about because they were 'easy' and they were not respected by the boys, only used"***

and today its even more prevalent. only except a lot of people don't care anymore.

"***Now one more thing, Would you PLEASE do us all a favor and use the damn Quote features?"***

who says what isn't important. i address the statements made, not the people. i think i clearly indicate what someone else said and what my reply is. if its that much of a pain, i'll try to remember next time i post.

"***Money poured down the black hole of AIDs research is money taken out of other research for many many other more deadly diseases"**

aids is a big issue in third world countries as well, and there it is most certainly a primary concern. i dont think one disease is more important than another. and i do believe someday, maybe after we're all long dead, we will find a cure.

"***Your deifinition of decent needs to be re-evaluated."***

i reciprocate that statement.

"***A" most effective way??? How about "THE" most effective way"***

actually, i think not doing anything with anyone ever is the most effective way to not contract communicable diseases. but that is obviously is impossible. yes, your way is A good way.

"*** BTW - please learn how to use the UBB code when quoting people, it makes it much easier to read"***

i get the idea. i didn't realize this was that big a deal. i'll start using the code next post. my apologies for the difficulty. i honestly didnt think it was an issue.

"*** you have 100s of millions being spent on research to allow people to find a medical cure for a disease that has a behavioral solution."***

lots of things have behaviour solutions. doesn't mean that it's going to be an effective way to combat an issue.

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<font size=6>Will you Please use the damn Quote features when quoting someone

[ quote ] "the quote" [ /quote ] together ok please?</font>

[Wolfcounsel]

"who says what isn't important. i address the statements made, not the people. i think i clearly indicate what someone else said and what my reply is. if its that much of a pain, i'll try to remember next time i post." --21stcenturyrome

Oh yeah? Well, look at this quote:

****I think rome is a flaming fruit loop!****

Okay. Who said it, rome?

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hey Romey you tell me whether cancer is a disease based soley on behavior.

By all means Please tell me boy!!

[Wolfcounsel]

I think American taxpayers should contribute 90 percent of their paycheck to research to find out why dumbasses cannot abstain from promiscuous sex. Do you agree, rome?

[DoctorDoom]

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well today it is a rite of passage.

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No doubt the loose-zippered losers, who think with their dicks and copulate with all the passion, emotion and commitment of dogs ****ing in the front yard, think that's progress.

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and people are bombarded with sexual messages daily.

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And they respond to the "messages" with mindless lust for all the little whores. They'll wind up infected before they're 30. It will be earned.

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just look at the fashion industry.

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I try not to.

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the standards of "decent" behaviour you speak of have long since faded.

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And doubtless you sex machines without an iota of self-control, self-worth or self-respect revel in your "freedom".

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the leave it to beaver way of life is completely foreign to me...

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The concepts of decency and morality are completely lost on those who are slaves to their animal appetites.

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...and a vast multitude of others. it is not how we were raised.

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You weren't "raised". You were bred and abandoned by those who had the responsibility to instill human values in you.

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***So a frail piece of latex was your substitute for self-control and self-respect. How very typical of the "If it feels good, do it!" generation.***

it did not serve as either. keep in mind i don't fear going to hell because of getting laid. its not a concern i have now, or ever. i had complete control over my actions and i have plenty of self respect, thank you. and love was involved.

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Love. Yep, EVERYTHING is love. Whenever you promiscuous little children get a woody, it's LOVE. "Hi! Looking at you make my dick stiff. Let's make LOVE. By the way, what's your name?"

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*** You choice of associates leaves much to be desired. But then, so did theirs. IAC, anecdotal evidence is a staple in the extremely limited list of liberal "arguments", but it proves precisely nothing.***

the first sentence is an opinon, not a fact.

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Based on your description, it was an educated opinion.

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there was nothing anecdotal about what i said. i proved a point by providing a real life example.

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Main Entry: an·ec·dot·al
Pronunciation: "a-nik-'dO-t&amp;l
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1 a : of, relating to, or consisting of anecdotes < an anecdotal biography > b : ANECDOTIC 2 < my anecdotal uncle >
2 : based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually unscientific observers < anecdotal evidence >
3 : of, relating to, or being the depiction of a scene suggesting a story < anecdotal painting > < anecdotal detail >

How interesting that you argued that it wasn't anecdotal and used as your "proof" the very definition of the word.

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you seem hellbent on the idea that stds are contracted only by the lowest of the low. this is not true.

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STD = Sexually Transmitted Disease. By definition, a Sexually Transmitted Disease is transmitted sexually.

People who withhold themselves until marriage and then are faithful to each other do NOT contract diseases sexually. The large majority of STDs are confined to people who have zero moral character, and zero control over their genitalia. Of the ones who do not contract them sexually, the majority transmit them by IV drug abuse. And there is overlap between the groups. The incidence of STDs amongst faithful married partners is vanishingly small.

Re AIDS, the world's only politically correct ailment, it is arguable that EVERY case in the US is traceable to either profligate sex or drug abuse. E.g., if a person contracts it from a blood transfusion, how was the donor of the blood contaminated? Follow the chain backwards and you'll wind up with sex with an infected person or sharing a needle with one.

The lowest of the low (your words, not mine) represent the overwhelming majority of cases of AIDS. Some diseases, such as Hep C, are not confined to sexual activity, but they are easily spread that way.

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lots of "decent" people get stds all the time.

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Bullshit!

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and we should do what we can to stop the spread of stds before it wipes my generation and those that follow, completely out.

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Don't you think that your generation bears a lot of the blame for the spread of STDs, and the burden of stopping the spread? If they are sexually transmitted, then your mindless, hedonistic bed-hopping is what is spreading them.

Above, you told us, "the leave it to beaver way of life is completely foreign to me and a vast multitude of others. it is not how we were raised." However, child, that generation was not plagued by fatal diseases transmitted by random screwing, nor did it whine about STDs wiping them out. This fate is in your generation's hands, and the blame is on your shoulders. No one has shoved a magnum against your heads and snarled, "**** your brains out or I'll blow them out." The choice to be dissolute is yours alone. If STDs are ravaging your generation, whose fault is it?

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which it will if we don't take action.

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Take your own action. Stop doing what spreads the STDs. It's not the responsibility of my generation to make your debauchery safer. And, to be very blunt, if your abandonment of morality, self-control and decency lead to a portion of your generation being wiped out, who cares? After all, you mocked the "leave it to beaver way of life". It will be an overdue cleansing of the gene pool.

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***That are there are a lot of idiots does not excuse idiocy.***

so everyone is just born as smart as you think you are, then?

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I don't "think" I'm smart. I KNOW I am. You have no concept of the honor that I do you by condescending to communicate with you.

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no two peoples brains are wired the same way, ya know.

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Unfortunately, that's true. Some are totally haywire. But they're easy to indentify. They're liberals.

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doing most anything at all is a potential hazard to your well being. sex education teaches nothing. i know, i had to deal with that class.

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Thanks to liberals, "sex ed" cannot teach the morality and responsibility that go with sexuality. They call it "a violation of church-state separation". Ergo, sex ed teaches the biology and the mechanics, and then the kids are on their own. If driver's ed were taught that way, they'd learn how to start the car, put it in gear, steer it, and what the pedals do. They'd then be sent out into the streets without the merest knowledge of the rules of the road.

Actually, given some of the drivers I've encountered lately, they might be doing just that.

[21stcenturyrome]

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hey Romey you tell me whether cancer is a disease based soley on behavior.

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never said it was and you know it.

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I think American taxpayers should contribute 90 percent of their paycheck to research to find out why dumbasses cannot abstain from promiscuous sex. Do you agree, rome?

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thats an incredibly stupid question. of course not. and no one asked you to, either. but you are being asked to consider ALL KINDS of epidemics that threaten the human race. AIDS is one of them and has the potential to wipe out a huge number of people. but if you view them as underserving of compassion than there's no use trying to change your mind.

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No doubt the loose-zippered losers, who think with their dicks and copulate with all the passion, emotion and commitment of dogs ****ing in the front yard, think that's progress.

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never once referred to it as progress. just the state of things. i've never seen a group of people so indignant over what other people are doing. it amounts to nothing more than gossip.

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Don't you think that your generation bears a lot of the blame for the spread of STDs, and the burden of stopping the spread?

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your generation is the one that started aids, and passed it on to us. my generation were children when it was first named.

stds were around a long time before we ever came along. so whatever allowed it to continue to spread is the result of action taken by those who came before.

my generation is very std conscious, thanks.

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I don't "think" I'm smart. I KNOW I am. You have no concept of the honor that I do you by condescending to communicate with you

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another man perishes in his self righteousness. you're arrogant and conceited. and that has nothing to do with intelligence. or honor.

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Unfortunately, that's true. Some are totally haywire. But they're easy to indentify. They're liberals.

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actually, the people i consider haywire are the one's who think they are above everyone else.

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The choice to be dissolute is yours alone. If STDs are ravaging your generation, whose fault is it?

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your generation and the ones before created the world as it is today. we inherited it. and when we do try to make changes, you accuse of socialism, etc. the blame is not on my generations shoulders, its on everyone's shoulders. it'd clear your head up to consider that.

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After all, you mocked the "leave it to beaver way of life". It will be an overdue cleansing of the gene pool

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i'll take that as a statement supporting genocide.

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People who withhold themselves until marriage and then are faithful to each other do NOT contract diseases sexually.

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i agree. but that's not how a lot of people live anymore, and since that's the case we should try to make the best of it.

[Faithful_Servant]

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maybe after we're all long dead, we will find a cure.

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rome, you might want to read your posts before clicking on that "Continue" button. Or you could just keep up the good work and I can continue to start my day off with another good laugh at your expense.

[Faithful_Servant]

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lots of things have behaviour solutions. doesn't mean that it's going to be an effective way to combat an issue.

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What's more effective than stopping a problem before it starts? Or changing the thinking and behavior that creates the problem? Stopping the spread of aids by changing the standards of behavior is the most effective method possible. Read about Uganda's success in this area. It's a fact that it works. You would have people forgo a highly effective method for one that's completely ineffective.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Rome,

What's better than a 100% success rate? Why would anyone want to settle for less than 100%? Abstinence WORKS.

For those that have ALREADY succumbed and are infected, I have compassion IF THEY STOP THE BEHAVIOR THAT LED TO THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Those that CONTINUE in their dangerous actions show no DESIRE for compassion, only for their OWN dangerous desires.

Just saying "they are going to do it anyway, so let's make it as safe as we can" is merely a cop-out. I have more faith in people, obviously, than you do. People have to suffer the consequences for their actions -- sad, but true. We cannot "save" the world, if by their very actions they continue to doom themselves to destruction.

I am in agreement with the others -- research dollars should be going to those diseases which are NOT behaviorally transmitted. The mainstream prevention of AIDS is SO EASY, FREE, and AVAILABLE to everyone everywhere. If people are so base that they CANNOT control their sexual desires, they WILL suffer the consequences for those desires.

[Wolfcounsel]

"and i do believe someday, maybe after we're all long dead, we will find a cure." --21stcenturyrome

Take that statement outside and shoot it! If Louis Pasteur were alive today, he'd roll over in his grave! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon4.gif


Just kidding! If Louis Pasteur were alive today, he'd say "Help! Help! get me out of this box!"

[DoctorDoom]

I was going to confine myself to a few of the troll's turds, but his stupidity is too breathtaking to leave it unexposed.

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never once referred to it as progress. just the state of things. i've never seen a group of people so indignant over what other people are doing. it amounts to nothing more than gossip

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When what other people are doing results in medical conditions requiring treatments that said other people demand that we finance, you bet your ass we're indignant.

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your generation is the one that started aids, and passed it on to us. my generation were children when it was first named.

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My generation never heard of AIDS, numbwit. It was named in 1982, when I was 40. And it was first recognized in 1978, only 4 years earlier. Ergo, blow your ignorant allegations out your butt.

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stds were around a long time before we ever came along.

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And what have you pompous little "It's your fault!" assholes done to stop them in your generation? A: not a damned thing. The diseases might predate you, but your promiscuity is spreading them amongst you. You have no one to blame but yourselves for that.

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so whatever allowed it to continue to spread is the result of action taken by those who came before.

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And whatever is allowing it to continue to spread in your generation is the result of actions taken by you alone. Shoulder the blame yourselves. No one is forcing you to screw like animals in heat.

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my generation is very std conscious, thanks.

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Then why are you whining and wailing that they will destroy your generation? One would think that "std conscious" people wouldn't do the things that spread STDs, but obviously your dicks rountinely overrule your brains.

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I don't "think" I'm smart. I KNOW I am. You have no concept of the honor that I do you by condescending to communicate with you.

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another man perishes in his self righteousness. you're arrogant and conceited. and that has nothing to do with intelligence. or honor.

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Oh, come now, child. My brilliance outshines your meager intellect in the same proportion that a supernova outshines a firefly. One evidence is that I am capable of using capital letters.

Admit it, child. You are in awe of my transcendental intellect. It's a common reaction to being in my presence. In order to allow you to focus your adulation on something more substantial than my sparkling but admittedly transitory words (such is the Web), I offer this token of my consideration that I occasionally deign to present to lesser beings such as yourself.

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Unfortunately, that's true. Some are totally haywire. But they're easy to indentify. They're liberals.

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actually, the people i consider haywire are the one's who think they are above everyone else.

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Here I must agree. Those who "think they are above everyone else" are indeed annoying to those of us who are.

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The choice to be dissolute is yours alone. If STDs are ravaging your generation, whose fault is it?

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your generation and the ones before created the world as it is today. we inherited it.

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Nice dodge, kid, but the issue is STDs, not the world. Stick to it or admit that you're so hopelessly outmatched that you'll grasp at any straw.

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and when we do try to make changes, you accuse of socialism, etc.

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The issue being STDs, not world affairs, the changes that you and your clue-challenged ilk need to make involve stopping the practices that spread them. Don't go wandering off into specious, irrational, irrelevant rhetoric.

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the blame is not on my generations shoulders...

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Copout. You're the ones that **** like rabbits on steroids. When it spreads STDs, you're the ones that bear the sole burden.

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its on everyone's shoulders.

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Not on mine. I don't have any STDs and i don't do anything that would expose me to them. See how simple it is to avoid contracting them? Even oversexed, amoral kids should be able to understand that concept.

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it'd clear your head up to consider that.

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My head is perfectly clear. That's why I don't need to attempt patently obvious topic-switching.

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After all, you mocked the "leave it to beaver way of life". It will be an overdue cleansing of the gene pool.

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i'll take that as a statement supporting genocide.

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I'll take that as definitive evidence that you're totally out of your depth here, child.

Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'je-n&amp;-"sId
Function: noun
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

The word assumes an outside, hostile force doing the "deliberate and systematic destruction", e.g., the Nazis vs the Jews. What force is deliberately trying to destroy your "racial, political, or cultural group"? A: you HAVE no "racial, political, or cultural group" that is under assault. You have only a bunch of stupid, hedonistic, self-centered kids screwing themselves into the grave DESPITE our sage warnings of the consequences of not keeping it in their pants, because you have only contempt for the "leave it to beaver way of life" that would keep your sorry asses pure and healthy.

Ergo, child, if you and your ilk die as the consequence of your profligacy and lack of self-control, it's not genocide. It's suicide. That's tough shit. I don't care.

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People who withhold themselves until marriage and then are faithful to each other do NOT contract diseases sexually.

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i agree. but that's not how a lot of people live anymore, and since that's the case we should try to make the best of it.

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If they don't want to live that way, screw them. They are under no coercion to live and behave like wild animals. Let them kill themselves.

Lastly:

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maybe after we're all long dead, we will find a cure.

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And maybe if you had a basic moral code rather than letting your genitals do your thinking, you wouldn't be dead. If you want to kill yourselves by your chosen "lifestyle", don't expect us to try to stop you. You're weeding the garden for us.

[Faithful_Servant]

Well said, Oh Great and Mighty One, our very own Living Legend./ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worshippy.gif

Between aids and abortion, the liberals are committing slow suicide. Their one remaining hope is to use the NEA as a surrogate mother to birth forth more little liberals, because their birth rate has got to be in the toilet.

[21stcenturyrome]

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My generation never heard of AIDS, numbwit. It was named in 1982, when I was 40. And it was first recognized in 1978, only 4 years earlier. Ergo, blow your ignorant allegations out your butt.

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my bad. then it's your childrend's generation that spawned it.

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Oh, come now, child. My brilliance outshines your meager intellect in the same proportion that a supernova outshines a firefly. One evidence is that I am capable of using capital letters.

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your typing style is confined. mine is not. it proves nothing about either one of us in either case. the only thing i capitalized these days is "God" or "Him/He" in reference.

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And maybe if you had a basic moral code rather than letting your genitals do your thinking, you wouldn't be dead. If you want to kill yourselves by your chosen "lifestyle", don't expect us to try to stop you. You're weeding the garden for us.

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i'm still here, and quite disease free. you're confusing me with the people i speak up for, which is understandable.

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Copout. You're the ones that **** like rabbits on steroids. When it spreads STDs, you're the ones that bear the sole burden.

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say goodbye to your future, then. i accept that it's a problem we've made worse. but you do not accept your part. there's ONE human family, stemming from TWO people. we share the burden of the problem whether you want to admit it or not.

not caring if the gene pool gets a dramatic overall is quite similar to taking a passive role in genocide. you're a twisted individual, doom, and you blatantly fail to see your own hypocrisy.

i don't claim to have fool proof beliefs, ideas, etc. im open to consider anything. and unlike you, i hold everything up to a mirror to see it's reflection. i have no problem admitting i am academically uneducated and of a young age. i have no problem accepting who and what i am. i am a modest person. you on the otherhand, are you own cheerleader and its nothing short of watching a wrestling match.

i agree with everyone here that abstinence, behaviour control, etc, is the best way to fight the spread of aids. what i'm pleading with you to consider is have compassion on all people. the one's already infected, and the one's who do not know any better. i am not condoning illicit behaviour or finding a cure so no one changes how they do things. i think we should do what we can, as a single race of people, to help each other out.

if a drug addict came to you for help, would you turn him away simply because of his disease? would his past mistakes make you revile him? i think a few of you would.

"forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

[21stcenturyrome]

i'd also like to point out very few supernovas are visible from earth. the last visible one was in 1987, and the one before occurred 383 years earlier.

also, when viewing a supernova through a telescope or with the naked eye, they will have nearly the same brightness of a firefly.

and when you look at a supernova on paper, there's no light emitted whatsoever.

it's all in your perspective. your supernova, doom, i see on a peice of paper.

[Timberwolf]

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by romey:
say goodbye to your future, then. i accept that it's a problem we've made worse. but you do not accept your part. there's ONE human family, stemming from TWO people. we share the burden of the problem whether you want to admit it or not.

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Yes, there's a problem. Trouble is that you want to let the problem fester by not requiring a change in behavior. The ONLY way to stop the spread of STDs is to practice abstinence. Period.

AIDS is spread by promiscuous behavior.
Genital warts (HPV - Human Papillomavirus) are spread by promiscuous behavior.
Genital herpes is spread by promiscuous behavior.
Hepatitis A, B, and C can be spread by promiscuous behavior.
Syphillis is spread by promiscuous behavior.
Gonorrhea is spread by promiscuous behavior.

Until behavior changes, the above (and MANY others) will continue to ravage each successive generation to come.

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not caring if the gene pool gets a dramatic overall is quite similar to taking a passive role in genocide. you're a twisted individual, doom, and you blatantly fail to see your own hypocrisy.

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It's called "tough love". Listen...if you were gonna jump off a bridge, should I try to stop you or give you a bungee cord that may or may not be short enough to stop you from hitting the dry river bed at the bottom of the fall? I think I should try to stop you.

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i don't claim to have fool proof beliefs, ideas, etc. im open to consider anything. and unlike you, i hold everything up to a mirror to see it's reflection. i have no problem admitting i am academically uneducated and of a young age. i have no problem accepting who and what i am. i am a modest person. you on the otherhand, are you own cheerleader and its nothing short of watching a wrestling match.

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You see, WE'VE already experienced "looking in the mirror" and have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as "safe sex" and that's why we don't condone it. Abstinence is Biblical...and it is being shown day after day that when one departs from Scripture, one suffers the consequences of doing so.

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i agree with everyone here that abstinence, behaviour control, etc, is the best way to fight the spread of aids. what i'm pleading with you to consider is have compassion on all people. the one's already infected, and the one's who do not know any better. i am not condoning illicit behaviour or finding a cure so no one changes how they do things. i think we should do what we can, as a single race of people, to help each other out.

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How is it compassionate to force those of us that are revulsed by the behavior that caused these people to become sick, to be held at gunpoint and forced to fund a cure for it that doesn't exist? Especially when if they'd have LISTENED to us in the first place, they wouldn't have GOTTEN sick??

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if a drug addict came to you for help, would you turn him away simply because of his disease? would his past mistakes make you revile him? i think a few of you would.

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No...but there comes a point that one must allow others to experience the consequences of their behavior. Otherwise, such people will NOT be forced to see what they are doing to themselves. It is called "enabling" and it ultimately leads to the addict's death. That's not compassionate in MY book.

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"forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

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But remember, "and lead us not into temptation but DELIVER US FROM EVIL"
For thine is kingdom and the power and the glory...for ever and ever. Amen.

How does one allow another to be delivered if s/he is unwilling to let the one so afflicted to suffer?

[DoctorDoom]

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my bad. then it's your childrend's generation that spawned it.

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None of my children are infected with STDs. Unlike your peers, they have morals.

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Oh, come now, child. My brilliance outshines your meager intellect in the same proportion that a supernova outshines a firefly. One evidence is that I am capable of using capital letters.

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your typing style is confined. mine is not.

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Freely translated, "I don't care enough to make the extra keystroke to use capitals because I don't give a shit about anyone at FC." All it tells us is that you're an arrogant, ill-educated twit with an illusion that you're relevant.

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it proves nothing about either one of us in either case. the only thing i capitalized these days is "God" or "Him/He" in reference.

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Archie the cockroach had an excuse for not using capital letters. You don't. You're just a pretentious juvenile who thinks that ignoring the basic rules of grammar proves how "independent" you are.

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And maybe if you had a basic moral code rather than letting your genitals do your thinking, you wouldn't be dead. If you want to kill yourselves by your chosen "lifestyle", don't expect us to try to stop you. You're weeding the garden for us.

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i'm still here, and quite disease free. you're confusing me with the people i speak up for, which is understandable.

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The equation is justified.

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Copout. You're the ones that **** like rabbits on steroids. When it spreads STDs, you're the ones that bear the sole burden.

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say goodbye to your future, then.

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They're not the future. The future will happen in spite of them, not because of them.

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i accept that it's a problem we've made worse. but you do not accept your part.

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I have no part in it, child. What self-destructive idiots do to themselves interests me not one iota. If, knowing the dangers of promiscuous sex, the morons continue in it, then let them die.

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there's ONE human family, stemming from TWO people. we share the burden of the problem whether you want to admit it or not.

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Your soap-box philosophizing is falling on deaf ears, child. You're a typical liberaloony who tries to blame others for the results of personal choices. That bullshit doesn't work here. We believe in personal responsibility and accountability. When someone's free-will choice to behave like a mindless animal results in contracting fatal diseases, we blame no one but the individual.

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not caring if the gene pool gets a dramatic overall is quite similar to taking a passive role in genocide.

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Your "logic" is, to be exceedingly kind, pathetic. Suicidal assholes who screw themselves into early graves do NOT constitute genocide by any definition of the word. They know the risks, they take them, and they lose. Tough shit! The gene pool is better off without them. I wouldn't want those twits reproducing.

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you're a twisted individual, doom...

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Why, thank you. When a liberaloony spouts off like that, it's an affirmation that I'm on the right track.

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... and you blatantly fail to see your own hypocrisy.

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I say that a person who takes his own life in his hands for the sake of a few minutes of sexual pleasure is not worth fretting over, and I'm a hypocrite? When will you be getting around to the inevitable Nazi comparisons?

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i don't claim to have fool proof beliefs, ideas, etc.

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That's understandable, given the "beliefs, ideas, etc." that you've posted thusfar.

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im open to consider anything.

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Except the concept that every person is in control of and therefore responsible for his own health and wellbeing.

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and unlike you, i hold everything up to a mirror to see it's reflection.

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Why would I do that with harebrained liberal bullshit? It doesn't apply to me.

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i have no problem admitting i am academically uneducated and of a young age.

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We determined that about 200 of your posts ago. Ergo, it's not a revelation.

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i have no problem accepting who and what i am.

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And?

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i am a modest person.

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Justifiably so.

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you on the otherhand, are you own cheerleader...

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There are some who should be modest. And there are those of my lofty caliber. I am actually quite humble. Indeed, of my many wonderful attributes, my humility is the most noteworthy, and the most astonishing given that is totally unnecessary.

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... and its nothing short of watching a wrestling match.

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You do that? How common.

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i agree with everyone here that abstinence, behaviour control, etc, is the best way to fight the spread of aids.

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"Best way" suggests that there are alternatives. There are none. Disease is not controlled by touchy-feely, "Oh, you poor soul!" crap. It is controlled by applying proven methods. One of them is identifying and suppressing the ways in which it is transmitted. By definition, Sexually transmitted diseases are sexually transmitted. Ergo, the way to stem the spread of STDs is to suppress the sexual behaviors that are involved, and to hell with "rights".

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what i'm pleading with you to consider is have compassion on all people.

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Sorry, kid, but people who behave in dangerous, self-destructive ways purely because they are stupid hedonists don't deserve compassion.

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the one's already infected...

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How were they infected? If they made the choice to bedhop, with utter disregard for the well-known medical consequences of libertine behavior, then why should I feel compassion for their condition? They are suffering the worldly consequences of sin, which they visited upon themselves. They made their bed, and they must lie in it. The only thing I would do for them is give them the message of salvation through Christ. My only interest would be in their eternal destiny.

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... and the one's who do not know any better.

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I find it incredible that in this age of information surfeit, there would be anyone that ignorant.

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i am not condoning illicit behaviour...

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Then why demand "compasssion" for those suffering the "gotchas" of illicit behaviour? They made the choice. They weren't coerced into it.

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... or finding a cure so no one changes how they do things.

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There is no cure for AIDS. There never will be. The only effective preventive measure is behavioral control.

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i think we should do what we can, as a single race of people, to help each other out.

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Be my guest. No one is stopping you from doing so. Just don't force me to pay for your warm &amp; fuzzy schemes.

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if a drug addict came to you for help, would you turn him away simply because of his disease?

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No, but I wouldn't coddle him or give him clean needles to make his chemical suicide AIDS-free. I'd submit him to enforced withdrawal with all the pains that it entails. "Cold-turkey" might not be "compassionate", but it gives the addict something horrifying to remember, and it might just dissuade him for going back to the hypo. Making sin "easy" does nothing to reduce the addiction to sin.

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would his past mistakes make you revile him?

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No, nor would they make me feel "compassion" for him. A choice is an act of the will. He chose to be what he is.

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i think a few of you would.

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Perhaps.

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"forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

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Pulling Bible verses out of context is SOP for liberals. The verse states that God will not forgive our sins if we refuse to forgive those who have wronged us, q.v., Matt 6:14,15. Why do you think that it applies in the matter of this discussion? People who indulge in profligate sex and suffer the results thereof have in no way wronged me. I don't know them. I've never met them. They've done nothing to me that I should forgive them. Ergo this verse is inapplicable.

Using verses from the Bible indiscriminately or out of context can lead to totally unwarranted interpretations.

And he ... went and hanged himself ... Go, and do thou likewise.

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In response to the comment, "My brilliance outshines your meager intellect in the same proportion that a supernova outshines a firefly," the kid made these dazzlingly clueless observations.

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i'd also like to point out very few supernovas are visible from earth. the last visible one was in 1987, and the one before occurred 383 years earlier.

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And that proves what, other than that intellectual supernovas such as I are far rarer than intellectual fireflies such as you.

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also, when viewing a supernova through a telescope or with the naked eye, they will have nearly the same brightness of a firefly.

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A housefly one foot away appears larger than a 747 at 35,000 feet. By your bizarre logic, the fly is bigger than the aircraft. The moon and sun appear to be virtually identical in size in the sky. By your strange reckoning, they are the same size.

Is that what they're teaching in pubblik skewls these days?

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and when you look at a supernova on paper, there's no light emitted whatsoever.

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Your vacuity is breath-taking.

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it's all in your perspective.

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Spoken like a true brain-dead liberal.

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your supernova, doom, i see on a peice of paper.

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Should I be flattered that you take the time to print out my timeless prose so that you can read it thusly? I can't be bothered wasting a sheet of paper on your drivel, so you'll have to be content to remain nothing more than illuminated pixels on my monitor.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

DoctorDoom,
I think the liberal idea of "freedom" is their ability to do whatever they please without all the annoying consequences to go along with it. Should they, Heaven forbid, suffer those inevitable consequences THEN it is beholding on all of the OTHER people to be compassionate and make allowances, provisions, and offer cures / solutions for those inconvenient consequences. In their idea of "freedom," personal responsibility and accountability do not exist.
Of course, I may be wrong ... I was once, but that was a long time ago, so I guess I'm about due, LOL.

[21stcenturyrome]

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No...but there comes a point that one must allow others to experience the consequences of their behavior. Otherwise, such people will NOT be forced to see what they are doing to themselves. It is called "enabling" and it ultimately leads to the addict's death. That's not compassionate in MY book.

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i'd rephrase what i meant, but your response is good as it is.

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their idea of "freedom," personal responsibility and accountability do not exist.

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i disagree. for someone to not own up to their responsibility isn't directly correlated to their political beliefs. many on both sides do that everyday.

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Freely translated, "I don't care enough to make the extra keystroke to use capitals because I don't give a shit about anyone at FC." All it tells us is that you're an arrogant, ill-educated twit with an illusion that you're relevant.

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i don't see how or why my typing style would upset you this badly. it's not important, and you can still read anything i post. unless you do not have 20/20 vision. in fcat, i culod tpye lkie tihs and sltil yuo'd be albe to raed ayhnntig i wotre.

i do in fact care about the members of the forum. no, i never claimed to be relevant.

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Archie the cockroach had an excuse for not using capital letters. You don't. You're just a pretentious juvenile who thinks that ignoring the basic rules of grammar proves how "independent" you are.

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i believe my grammar has been okay. i think it's punctuation you're referring to. it's not an "independent" thing. i'm not very good at typing and not using caps is one less thing to worry about. it's conveinent.

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They're not the future. The future will happen in spite of them, not because of them.

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with that attitude, you're quite correct.

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You do that? How common.

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in junior high, yeah i did. very fun at the time.

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I find it incredible that in this age of information surfeit, there would be anyone that ignorant.

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information seldom = knowledge and understanding.

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There is no cure for AIDS. There never will be. The only effective preventive measure is behavioral control.

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and what makes you think we can never find a cure? just because we haven't one yet? that's either pessimism or wishful thinking. not sure which.

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Pulling Bible verses out of context is SOP for liberals. The verse states that God will not forgive our sins if we refuse to forgive those who have wronged us, q.v., Matt 6:14,15. Why do you think that it applies in the matter of this discussion? People who indulge in profligate sex and suffer the results thereof have in no way wronged me. I don't know them. I've never met them. They've done nothing to me that I should forgive them. Ergo this verse is inapplicable.

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if they haven't wronged you, why are you so bent up about them trying to find a cure for their disease? clearly they cause you distress, and i think that counts. if that is the case, they are yours to forgive.

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And that proves what, other than that intellectual supernovas such as I are far rarer than intellectual fireflies such as you.

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no, it proves something else entirely. i listed the only two visible supernovas, and you were not among them. i attest your ego is far bigger than a supernova. and my ego is that of a firefly. so yes, you're almost right.

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No, nor would they make me feel "compassion" for him. A choice is an act of the will. He chose to be what he is.

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no one consciously or knowingly chooses misery and desperation.

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Is that what they're teaching in pubblik skewls these days?

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actually, i'd say they don't teach much of anything. and it was a comparison to seeing a supernova in the sky, and firefly a few feet away (they rarely are a foot away from your face). the dimensions and brightness of both objects would be nearly, if not completely, equal.

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Spoken like a true brain-dead liberal.

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nope. neurons fire quite rapidly over here. no idea what's going on over there.

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Should I be flattered that you take the time to print out my timeless prose so that you can read it thusly? I can't be bothered wasting a sheet of paper on your drivel, so you'll have to be content to remain nothing more than illuminated pixels on my monitor

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i see metaphors are lost on you. not surprising.

[DoctorDoom]

And the foolish liberal dreck continues.

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Freely translated, "I don't care enough to make the extra keystroke to use capitals because I don't give a shit about anyone at FC." All it tells us is that you're an arrogant, ill-educated twit with an illusion that you're relevant.

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i don't see how or why my typing style would upset you this badly. it's not important, and you can still read anything i post. unless you do not have 20/20 vision. in fcat, i culod tpye lkie tihs and sltil yuo'd be albe to raed ayhnntig i wotre.

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It doesn't "upset" me. It's just a "thing" that's done by the majority of juvenile lamers who come here to deposit troll turds. And without exception they offer the same sort of "defense" that you did.

BTW, I do NOT have 20/20 vision. IAC, it's a damned nuisance to have to stop to decide whether a comma or a period was intended at a specific point.

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i do in fact care about the members of the forum.

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If that is so, then do us the courtesy of making your posts easier to read.

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i believe my grammar has been okay. i think it's punctuation you're referring to.

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Proper capitalization is a part of grammar.

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it's not an "independent" thing. i'm not very good at typing and not using caps is one less thing to worry about. it's conveinent.

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Unlike chat rooms, the communications on a BB do not scroll off of the screen and vanish into that Great Bit Bucket in the sky. They'll still be there five minutes or five days later. Ergo, what's the rush? Nothing will be lost if one takes just a little longer to hit the shift key at the start of a sentence.

I am by no means the world's greatest typist. Mavis Bacon sees me in her nightmares. I'm a one-finger, hunt &amp; peck typist, and I have been for over 40 years. Reams of scrapped typing paper attest to retyping whole pages because of one error. The advent of word processing (Paper Clip 3 on a Commodore 128) was a whole new world. No wasted paper, no retyping whole sheets for an error or to move a sentence. Everything was done on the screen before a drop of ink hit the paper. However, the habits of care and attentiveness persisted even when the task became almost infinitely easier.

Generic point: the bad habits of not using capitals, not proof-reading, not bothering to check spelling, and all the other annoying tendences seen in so many posts from so many kids, are routinely defended as being convenient, or time-saving, or taking less effort. Those are excuses, not reasons.

The essence of written communication is precision. If we posted with the same mannerisms and verbal crutches that are used in speech, like ya know, we'd find it... uh... hard to ... uh... read more than like a few sentences without ...uh... ya know going stark staring mad, like. The crap that's tolerated in spoken conversation is totally unacceptable in printed communication.

When speaking, vocal inflections indicate breakpoints and punctuation in sentences. And capitalization is obviously meaningless when Joe talks with Harry. However, no such cues are present in written communication. It is therefore the responsibility of the author to convey his thoughts with clarity and accuracy if he wishes to have his work read. People who accept sloppiness in spoken communication will not tolerate it when reading.

IMO, when a post appears that displays the characteristics that I cited above, it tells me that the poster doesn't think we are important enough for him to spend a little extra time and effort in composing a post. Any old thing will do as long as it's passable readable. That shows indifference.

Your readers at FC are primarily adults. If you wish to communicate with adults, you must expect to do so in an adult manner. Posts that resemble nothing so much as chatroom piffle will not be read. Do us the courtesy of taking a modicum of interest in communicating clearly, and we'll afford you the courtesy of not dismissing your posts as juvenile. We're not very likely to agree with you, but we will spend more time reading your views.

Tally ho! Onward to the points that bear a response

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I find it incredible that in this age of information surfeit, there would be anyone that ignorant.

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information seldom = knowledge and understanding.

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The warning about the dangers of promiscuous sex are not written in Latin, nor are they the proverbial rocket science. Anyone with enough brain power to walk and chew gum simultaneously should be able to understand what is being said.

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There is no cure for AIDS. There never will be. The only effective preventive measure is behavioral control.

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and what makes you think we can never find a cure? just because we haven't one yet?

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Do a little research. No virus-caused disease has ever been cured. Unlike diseases resulting from germs, bacteria and other microörganisms, antibiotics have no effect. Vira are not living organisms in the sense that we define living. They propogate and multiply by injecting themselves into cells in the host's body, and their primitive molecular structure makes mutations commonplace. Thus they are extremely difficult to attack.

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that's either pessimism or wishful thinking. not sure which.

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False dilemma. It's neither. It's a simple fact of biology.

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Pulling Bible verses out of context is SOP for liberals. The verse states that God will not forgive our sins if we refuse to forgive those who have wronged us, q.v., Matt 6:14,15. Why do you think that it applies in the matter of this discussion? People who indulge in profligate sex and suffer the results thereof have in no way wronged me. I don't know them. I've never met them. They've done nothing to me that I should forgive them. Ergo this verse is inapplicable.

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if they haven't wronged you, why are you so bent up about them trying to find a cure for their disease?

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1. Their diseases are contracted and spread behaviorally, and they adamantly refuse to alter their behavior.
2. They expect taxpayers and insurance ratepayers to underwrite treatment for the diseases that they contracted by their own profligate behavior.

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clearly they cause you distress...

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Your use of emotionally laden words is not enhancing your credibility. They don't distress me. Their arrogant disdain for every standard of morality and decency, and their expectation that I will pay for the consequences of their chosen behavior, lead me to care not one iota what happens to them.

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and i think that counts. if that is the case, they are yours to forgive.

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Your opinion is duly noted and appropriately filed.

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And that proves what, other than that intellectual supernovas such as I are far rarer than intellectual fireflies such as you.

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no, it proves something else entirely. i listed the only two visible supernovas, and you were not among them.

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Obviously, similes are wasted on you.

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i attest your ego is far bigger than a supernova.

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Not at all. However, my brilliance is certainly on a par with those celestial phenomena.

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and my ego is that of a firefly.

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I seldom argue with self-analyses.

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so yes, you're almost right.

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Almost? Piffle!

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No, nor would they make me feel "compassion" for him. A choice is an act of the will. He chose to be what he is.

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no one consciously or knowingly chooses misery and desperation.

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Rubbish! When the consequences of a given behavior are widely known and frequently cited, and a person chooses that behavior, then he "consciously or knowingly chooses (the) misery and desperation" that are the results of the behavior. If one chooses to lie down in the passing lane of an Interstate highway, he "consciously or knowingly chooses" to be run over.

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Is that what they're teaching in pubblik skewls these days?

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actually, i'd say they don't teach much of anything.

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At last, a rare instance of agreement.

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and it was a comparison to seeing a supernova in the sky, and firefly a few feet away (they rarely are a foot away from your face). the dimensions and brightness of both objects would be nearly, if not completely, equal.

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Liberal relativism does not alter objective realities.

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Should I be flattered that you take the time to print out my timeless prose so that you can read it thusly? I can't be bothered wasting a sheet of paper on your drivel, so you'll have to be content to remain nothing more than illuminated pixels on my monitor.

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i see metaphors are lost on you. not surprising.

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From one who is making much ado about fireflies and supernovas being equally bright, that comment merits all the consideration that I'll give it.

[Faithful_Servant]

Every new member fo this board needs to read this...
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Unlike chat rooms, the communications on a BB do not scroll off of the screen and vanish into that Great Bit Bucket in the sky. They'll still be there five minutes or five days later. Ergo, what's the rush? Nothing will be lost if one takes just a little longer to hit the shift key at the start of a sentence.

Generic point: the bad habits of not using capitals, not proof-reading, not bothering to check spelling, and all the other annoying tendences seen in so many posts from so many kids, are routinely defended as being convenient, or time-saving, or taking less effort. Those are excuses, not reasons.

The essence of written communication is precision. If we posted with the same mannerisms and verbal crutches that are used in speech, like ya know, we'd find it... uh... hard to ... uh... read more than like a few sentences without ...uh... ya know going stark staring mad, like. The crap that's tolerated in spoken conversation is totally unacceptable in printed communication.

When speaking, vocal inflections indicate breakpoints and punctuation in sentences. And capitalization is obviously meaningless when Joe talks with Harry. However, no such cues are present in written communication. It is therefore the responsibility of the author to convey his thoughts with clarity and accuracy if he wishes to have his work read. People who accept sloppiness in spoken communication will not tolerate it when reading.

IMO, when a post appears that displays the characteristics that I cited above, it tells me that the poster doesn't think we are important enough for him to spend a little extra time and effort in composing a post. Any old thing will do as long as it's passable readable. That shows indifference.

Your readers at FC are primarily adults. If you wish to communicate with adults, you must expect to do so in an adult manner. Posts that resemble nothing so much as chatroom piffle will not be read. Do us the courtesy of taking a modicum of interest in communicating clearly, and we'll afford you the courtesy of not dismissing your posts as juvenile. We're not very likely to agree with you, but we will spend more time reading your views.

-- Doctor Doom


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Tally ho! Onward to the points that bear a response

[21stcenturyrome]

Well then. If it makes that big of a difference, I'll use capital letters when I write a reply to you, Doom.

I'd like to point out you're the first person ever to even bring it up.

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The crap that's tolerated in spoken conversation is totally unacceptable in printed communication.

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Depends on your point of view. Someone's writing style tells an awful lot about them. Just as much as what they are saying. I, personally, don't have a problem reading text in street slang or any other American dialect. Yes, dialect.

[DoctorDoom]

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Well then. If it makes that big of a difference, I'll use capital letters when I write a reply to you, Doom.

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There, now, that didn't hurt a bit, did it? Even a liberal can occasionally learn the simpler customs and manners of human society. The next lesson will be on the use of those shiny metal objects found next to your plate at the table.

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I'd like to point out you're the first person ever to even bring it up.

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That's says a great deal about the maturity level of people with whom you usually associate, n'est-ce pas?

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Depends on your point of view.

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My PoV is that of one who began writing for public consumption in the late 50s, in the local fishwrapper's letters column.

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Someone's writing style tells an awful lot about them.

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That is precisely the point I was making. Negative first impressions are very difficult to counteract, especially in this medium, where words are all the only tools that we have.

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Just as much as what they are saying.

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The writing style overarches the content when it bespeaks immaturity or educational deficiency.

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I, personally, don't have a problem reading text in street slang or any other American dialect. Yes, dialect.

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They have their places. Internet BBs populated by politically-minded adults is not one of those places.

[21stcenturyrome]

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There, now, that didn't hurt a bit, did it? Even a liberal can occasionally learn the simpler customs and manners of human society. The next lesson will be on the use of those shiny metal objects found next to your plate at the table.

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well if you're going to be rude about it, then i'll type the way i type, and not the way you want me to type.

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That's says a great deal about the maturity level of people with whom you usually associate, n'est-ce pas?

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that's funny you should say that, because i was reffering to people on this board. you are the only one to make it an issue.

[SouthernReBelle]

Romey,

We make it an issue because you make being gay a political agenda. It's not. Get over it.

[Wolfcounsel]

"well if you're going to be rude about it, then i'll type the way i type, and not the way you want me to type." --21stcenturyrome

Uh, Wolf Counsel's translation--

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