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oracle

10-15-2002, 03:54 PM

Is Leahy a Liar? (http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york101502.asp)
Republicans say yes. Leahy doesn’t deny it.

Byron York

In an escalation of the battle over judicial confirmations, Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy has accused Republicans of "testing the limits" of a Senate rule restricting criticisms senators may make of each other on the Senate floor.

Last week, committee Republicans Strom Thurmond and Orrin Hatch appeared in the Senate to denounce Leahy for reneging on a promise to hold a vote on the federal appeals-court nomination of Dennis Shedd. Both Thurmond and Hatch suggested, but did not explicitly say, that Leahy had lied to them. "Chairman Leahy assured me on numerous occasions that Judge Shedd would be given a vote," Thurmond said. "I took him at his word." "Senator Leahy promised me," Hatch said. "We operate under the presumption that a senator's word is as good as gold."

The message was as clear as things get in the gentlemanly world of the Senate: Patrick Leahy lied.

Leahy did not deny the charge, nor did he appear on the Senate floor to defend himself. Instead, Democratic whip Harry Reid spoke on Leahy's behalf, saying the committee simply needed more time to consider the Shedd nomination, given the level of opposition to Shedd among African-American groups.

Now, in a letter to Hatch and other Republicans, Leahy strikes back at his accusers. Although he still does not deny the accusation that he lied, Leahy writes that he has "never resorted to the tactics and tone used by Republican members of this committee in committee statements, in hallway discussions, in press conferences, or in Senate floor debate testing the limits of Senate Rule 19." The rule Leahy cites says, in part, "No senator in debate shall, directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another senator or to other senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a senator."

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Warlady

10-15-2002, 03:58 PM

Is Leahy a liar? He's a Democrat isn't he?

Venus

10-15-2002, 04:18 PM

"Is Leahy a Liar?"

DUH.

The_Finman

10-15-2002, 04:29 PM

Speaking of lying, my sister (who's an Democrat and voted for Clinton) was talking to me today about my Nephew's inability to understand that people lie...she said that he doesn't believe that people don't always tell the truth.

I said "Hmmmmm...I guess that he's to young to remember Clinton then?"

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Maggie_T

10-15-2002, 04:41 PM

LOL! Finnman, that sounded like a conversation between my hubby and his liberal sister. images/icons/grin.gif

Is Leahy a liar? He's a dem, isn't he. He can't help it.

Warlady

10-15-2002, 04:43 PM

Finman LOLOL

The_Finman

10-15-2002, 04:46 PM

Know how to tell when a Democrat is lying? graemlins/icon127.gif

Their lips are moving! images/icons/grin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

10-15-2002, 05:47 PM

Last week, committee Republicans Strom Thurmond and Orrin Hatch appeared in the Senate to denounce Leahy for reneging on a promise to hold a vote on the federal appeals-court nomination of Dennis Shedd. Leahy may be a liar, but these two are dumber than dirt if they believed him!

DesertFox

10-15-2002, 06:53 PM

Just as a matter of curiosity, I'd like to know of a time when Leahy did NOT lie on a matter of importance.

Warlady

10-15-2002, 07:27 PM

tacitus, prior to Leahy's breaking his promise it was an age old tradition that Senators don't break their word to each other. It had been the case up until this. What Leahy did was the most egregious act a Senator can do to another Senator.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-15-2002, 07:42 PM

WL that's ancient history. The new mood in CONgress of sticking it to the `pubs, that has been going BTW for quite a while now, and should have given them a hint. How many times did Tommy D break his word?? The old days of honor are gone, perhaps gone forever.

Venus

10-15-2002, 07:53 PM

What Tac said.

And the only congressional 'pubs I can think of off-hand who've figgered this out are Delay, Helms and Murkowski.

Warlady

10-15-2002, 08:33 PM

That may be true tac but I applaud Hatch and Thurmond for standing up to Leahy. If they don't they are called spineless. Sheesh.

**DONOTDELETE**

10-15-2002, 08:37 PM

Liarhe quips about senate rule 9."No senator in debate shall, directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another senator or to other senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a senator."

Well perhaps the republicans detest rules that democrats write that allows wrongdoing to be silenced.

I really will be glad when these guys are gone!

RCRichards

10-15-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by oracle:
Is Leahy a Liar? (http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york101502.asp)
Does a Bear crap in the woods?

Venus

10-16-2002, 12:38 AM

There's a rumor floating around that somebody on this thread said Hatch and Thurmond were dumb for fighting back at Leahy for sandbagging Thurmond and reneging on his (useless) word. graemlins/icon29.gif

Can somebody point this out to me, please? graemlins/icon115.gif I don't remember it that way. graemlins/icon130.gif

I'm too dense to see graemlins/icon45.gif it on my own, I guess. images/icons/wink.gif I can't seem to find it. I'm concerned because I seconded a related remark, and I do not think Hatch and Thurmond are weenies for fighting back against Leahy. graemlins/icon129.gif

Daskid

10-16-2002, 08:01 AM

That's funny, Finman.

...she said that he doesn't believe that people don't always tell the truth.

Give the kid an exercise in logic: tell him that people sometimes lie. Then, ask him if you were lying when you said that. images/icons/cool.gif

Etaoin

10-16-2002, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by tacitus:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Last week, committee Republicans Strom Thurmond and Orrin Hatch appeared in the Senate to denounce Leahy for reneging on a promise to hold a vote on the federal appeals-court nomination of Dennis Shedd. Leahy may be a liar, but these two are dumber than dirt if they believed him!<hr /></blockquote>There was a caveat there that you overlook. They said that "Senators don't lie to other Senators"...it is ok to lie to the electorate.

Venus

10-16-2002, 11:51 AM

bump

Warlady

10-16-2002, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by tacitus:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Last week, committee Republicans Strom Thurmond and Orrin Hatch appeared in the Senate to denounce Leahy for reneging on a promise to hold a vote on the federal appeals-court nomination of Dennis Shedd. Leahy may be a liar, but these two are dumber than dirt if they believed him!<hr /></blockquote>I don't believe they are dumb. I just don't believe they thought he would stoop THAT low to violate the oldest traditon in the Senate. I'm glad they stood up to him for all the world to see.

Venus

10-16-2002, 02:10 PM

Bump

WL, sorry to hear about your back again. Any new medical hope (besides the surgery - or a better, easier surgery) for the condition?

Warlady

10-16-2002, 02:15 PM

The soonest appt I could get is Dec 10th. I'll know more then. Thanks.

Venus

10-16-2002, 02:19 PM

December 10th???!!!!

Why so long? Can't you or somebody else get on the phone and hammer them for something sooner??

Hope you got a large supply of meds!!!

I thought TX and IL had more docs per capita than the other states!!

Howza 'bout my other question? images/icons/smile.gif

Warlady

10-16-2002, 02:29 PM

Must be something in the water up here.

re your other question yes I see where I misunderstood tac's post.

Venus

10-16-2002, 02:54 PM

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I hope you feel better soon.

Venus

10-17-2002, 12:01 AM

Why, thankyou, WL. images/icons/smile.gif

After the word 'if', written by Tac, follow three words, 'they believed him', not 'for firing back'. graemlins/icon62.gif

I see graemlins/icon45.gif a difference between these two thoughts. images/icons/cool.gif

Do you? images/icons/wink.gif
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