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10-16-2002, 08:18 AM

Poll finds little support for bending tuition rules
Only 31% of Coloradans surveyed say illegal aliens should pay in-state rates

By Holly Yettick, Rocky Mountain News (http://insidedenver.com/drmn/education/article/0,1299,DRMN_957_1482064,00.html)
October 16, 2002

Most Coloradans believe illegal immigrants should be ineligible for in-state tuition rates at colleges and universities.

That's according to a Rocky Mountain News/News4 telephone poll by Talmey-Drake Research and Strategy Inc. of Boulder.

Of 500 registered voters surveyed, 57 percent disagreed that "illegal immigrants should be eligible for in-state tuition rates to attend state colleges and universities if they have lived in Colorado long enough and are academically qualified."

A total of 31 percent agreed, while 12 percent were "neutral" or unsure.

"That's a strong feeling of disagreement," said Paul Talmey, the polling firm's president and chief executive officer. Tancredo was trashed earlier by a bunch that called him 'out of touch' with the electorate. Looks like Tom's the only one in touch with the will of the people, while the wimps like Campbell and Owens kiss the illegals butts for votes.

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10-16-2002, 10:24 AM

As far as I am concerned, Tom Tancredo is somewhat off-base here.

Quite frankly, I think he was wrong to go after that honor student. If I understand correctly, he was brought across at a young age by his parents and had no realistic choice in the matter.

Certainly, we can agree there are FAR more pressing matters for INS to focus on than honor students. For Tancredo to try to make an example of that honor student is total BS, and he was rightfully called on it.

Personally, I favor creating a means that would sort out the welfare recipients, drug smugglers, and violent criminals and kick them out while allowing others to earn a path to legal status. They and their children would be ineligible for federal student aid, and they'd have to pay out-of-state tuition, but there are cases where deportation is excessive.

I'm aware of a case where a family heard that their son was going to be "recruited" into a terrorist guerilla movement (the method of recruitment involves raiding a high school and kidnapping the students). They tried to get asylum, denied. They were told they'd have to wait in line - guess what, by the time thier turn came, their oldest son would be kidnapped and forced to serve in the armed forces of that terrorist movement. So they came here on tourist visas and overstayed them.

Tom Tancredo would have them deported, and if they are sent back, I think it is safe to say that the parents would be killed for having the temerity to prevent FARC from "recruiting" their son, and both sons would be forced to serve in FARC's guerilla force. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel that is an unacceptable outcome, no more acceptable than what was done to Elian Gonzales.

I do not think that the rule of law is endangered if in some cases, someone is given probation and a hefty fine as opposed to the maximum sentence. I think the only fair way to solve the mess of illegal immigration is to eventually bring back the bracero program - which was working fine by all accounts. It would at least sort out the decent folks who just want to work and get a better life from the crooks and welfare recipients.

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10-17-2002, 12:35 AM

If I understand correctly, he was brought across at a young age by his parents and had no realistic choice in the matter.Yes he probably was - back then. But that was then, this is now. He knows he's illegal and yet has not taken any steps to remedy that status - neither have the parents.

Yes there are many more pressing matters to focus on, but this type of issue affects the tax payers of the sate, of which I am one. The pressing marrets of 8 to 10 million ILLEGALS should be handled - now.

For Tancredo to try to make an example of that honor student is total BS, and he was rightfully called on it.Why is it BS from Tancredo to make an example of this ILLEGAL?? Honor student or not, the plain and simple fact is that he and his family are here ILLEGALLY, IOW breaking the law. Do we only selectively enforce the laws of this country?? Seems like that's the case. The left, the media and some `pubs have grabbed on to this issue like their political lives depend on this kid being given a tax supported education. That's what is BS!!

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10-17-2002, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by tacitus:
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If I understand correctly, he was brought across at a young age by his parents and had no realistic choice in the matter.Yes he probably was - back then. But that was then, this is now. He knows he's illegal and yet has not taken any steps to remedy that status - neither have the parents.

Yes there are many more pressing matters to focus on, but this type of issue affects the tax payers of the sate, of which I am one. The pressing marrets of 8 to 10 million ILLEGALS should be handled - now.

For Tancredo to try to make an example of that honor student is total BS, and he was rightfully called on it.Why is it BS from Tancredo to make an example of this ILLEGAL?? Honor student or not, the plain and simple fact is that he and his family are here ILLEGALLY, IOW breaking the law. Do we only selectively enforce the laws of this country?? Seems like that's the case. The left, the media and some `pubs have grabbed on to this issue like their political lives depend on this kid being given a tax supported education. That's what is BS!!<hr /></blockquote>We're having ENOUGH trouble as it is hunting al-Qaeda scumbags. Why waste time and effort by going after honor students?

I don't think they should get in-state tuition or federal aid, and I said that earlier in this thread, but they are FAR less a threat than the al-Qaeda scumbags.

Furthermore, I'm not willing to playa "deport them all" strategy, either. I think in some cases, the approach favored by The Wall Street Journal is more appropriate and will solve the problem with FAR less difficulty and wasted time and effort.

Can we just get some common sense here as opposed to hysteria about an "invasion"?

DesertFox

10-17-2002, 06:06 PM

Well, Clance, why don't we just forget enforcing any laws or doing anything that isn't related to Iraq? Why make an exception in this case?

And why stop at honor students? Why not ALL students? What's special about honor students?

And why just students? Why not ALL illegals?

Heck, why have borders? Why not just let anybody in who says he wants in?

Are you proposing we have no lines -- no laws -- at all? IMO that's where your reasoning leads.

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10-18-2002, 08:31 AM

DesrtFox:

Are you saying, that just because someone does not get the maximum sentence for a crime, the rule of law is endangered?

Are you saying we should not look at individual circumstances?

DesertFox

10-18-2002, 02:10 PM

I'm all for it, Clance. Thought you weren't. Your comments above sound like "one more honor student more or less doesn't matter." If that's the case, when does it matter? Someone can always say, "Hey, it's just one of this or that."

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10-18-2002, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by DesertFox:
I'm all for it, Clance. Thought you weren't. Your comments above sound like "one more honor student more or less doesn't matter." If that's the case, when does it matter? Someone can always say, "Hey, it's just one of this or that."I think we need to prioritize, and focus on getting the terrorists first.

We have a lot more important things to do that chasing down honor students who were brought over as kids. Get the al-Qaeda cells first.

Kathy29

01-06-2003, 04:40 PM

Right along with this honor student came the five men who raped that woman in New York. That's why we need to close the borders.

DesertFox

02-01-2003, 04:54 PM

Yep. Honor student or not, he's an illegal. Honor student or not, "illegal" means "against the law." Are we to stop enforcing all laws until the al-Qaeda cells are "got," or just the ones you sympathize with, Clance?