Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore [Archive]

Suzie

07-19-2004, 09:12 PM

Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore

27 minutes ago

By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer

LAS VEGAS - Singer Linda Ronstadt (news) not only got booed, she got the boot after praising filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" during a performance.

Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, Ronstadt called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged the audience at the Aladdin hotel-casino to see the documentary about President Bush (news - web sites).

Ronstadt's comments drew loud boos, and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air.

MORE HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040720/ap_en_ce/people_ronstadt_moore_2)

This is a VERY good sign that this could happen in Vegas!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Suzie

07-19-2004, 09:21 PM

Yikes!!! What a slide she has had. She and Moore seem to have a similar "problem" putting down the fork.

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Wyatt_Junker

07-19-2004, 09:27 PM

Sheesh. Those Vegas All-You-Can-Swill buffets are hard to ignore. There's nothing like well heat-lamped food. Yummy.

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Yikes!!! What a slide she has had. She and Moore seem to have a similar "problem" putting down the fork.

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HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 09:29 PM

This is a VERY good sign that this could happen in Vegas!!

Why couldn't it happen in Vegas?

But, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

Suzie

07-19-2004, 09:30 PM

Anything like this happening on the left coast shocks me.

HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 09:43 PM

I think it is bone-headed moves like this that simply give ammo to people like Michael Moore, and the rest of the looney left. Throwing someone out of a casino because of a politcal opinion? Hmmmm...I can't go along with it because I don't like it when things like this happens to our side. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon120.gif

Suzie

07-19-2004, 09:47 PM

I was speaking more of the reaction of the crowd, not her statement.

Rink

07-19-2004, 09:50 PM

not only the crowd didnt like it it seemes she was booted from the hotel as well.

Hehehe fine by me, anyone who supports that traitorous ass, Moore deserves it.

Wolfcounsel

07-19-2004, 09:50 PM

"Throwing someone out of a casino because of a politcal opinion?" --HarvickFan29

One goes to a gambling casino for entertainment and maybe blowing good money away. One does not go there to hear a jackass bray.

HEY! I'm a poet and don't I know it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 09:51 PM

Yeah, I disagree with her statements too. But, throwing her out of the casino because of those opinions??? I can't clap for that! It's crap!

Rink

07-19-2004, 09:53 PM

Why not? she gave the casino a bad rep, they have to think on the lines of business.

They cannot afford to loose business because of angry peoples word of mouth, which can make or break a business in any sense of the word.

They know the effectiveness of people voting with their wallet and acted to save face so they wont loose business.

Another thing, Ronstadt may have violated a contract that we may not know of.

they may not have allowed politics to be had on stage for that very fear of loosing business, and she could have violated that (who knows)

Wont know till we know more on why they threw her out.

Wolfcounsel

07-19-2004, 09:54 PM

"I can't clap for that! It's crap!" --HarvickFan29

It should be "For that I can't clap! It's crap!" That rhymes.

CaliGirl

07-19-2004, 09:56 PM

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HarvickFan29 said:
I think it is bone-headed moves like this that simply give ammo to people like Michael Moore, and the rest of the looney left. Throwing someone out of a casino because of a politcal opinion? Hmmmm...I can't go along with it because I don't like it when things like this happens to our side. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon120.gif

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JMHO....Linda was there to sing, not give her politcal opinion about anyone. Isn't this the same as Whoopie and Slim Fast?

This is the MAIN reason why I stopped going to movies and watching the boob tube. I got really tired of all of unholywood throwing their politcal views in my face when I didn't ask for their opinion. All I asked from them, stick to your pretend life on the screen and tube, leave your politcal views out of my life.

Suzie

07-19-2004, 09:59 PM

If you own a business and someone you pay to perform is there to SING, by golly that's what they better do. And if they do something other than that and it causes you to loose business you have every right to hit her in the butt with the door. If the crowd liked it you can bet she would have stayed on stage. She was in Vegas she gambled and she lost. I won't cry for her. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/claps.gif

HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 10:00 PM

Why not? she gave the casino a bad rep, they have to think on the lines of business.

I will expect you to say the same thing when this happens to somone on our side for giving an opinion in a public place. You might like to go back to living with the Sedition Acts or Lincoln's abuse of power, but I'm not into it. Throwing anyone out of a casino for that a political opinion is nothing but radical behavior and ammo for the looney left.

Wolfcounsel

07-19-2004, 10:02 PM

Any entertainer, conservative or stupid, who gets up on stage to entertain, and then does any political crap, should be booted out on his ass!

Suzie

07-19-2004, 10:02 PM

She was being PAID by that casino to SING. She wasn't there for a political speech. She ended up costing them money not helping them make it. She can run her mouth on her on her own dime.

Rink

07-19-2004, 10:04 PM

hate to tell you but I have to agree with suzie & Caligirl over this.

Again she may have had a contract stipulating she sings there but no politics.

they have to keep business going, and to have entertainers there is to bring more customers into the place, not drive them away.

HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 10:11 PM

Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore

I can see asking her to leave the stage or not make political comments but booting her out of the entire casino?

This is about FoS not about the left or right. It seems to me that both sides have gotten to the point that they only want to extend freedom of speech to only what they want to hear. That's not how it works.

HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 10:19 PM

Rink:hate to tell you but I have to agree with suzie & Caligirl over this.

I think I will live! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

Rink: Again she may have had a contract stipulating she sings there but no politics.

OK. And if the contract states that she has to leave the premises because of breaking that contract in that way, then I will go along with it. But, it's not likely there is/was such a contract.

Rink said:they have to keep business going, and to have entertainers there is to bring more customers into the place, not drive them away.

Some people left the theatre but they all didn't leave so that could mean that the majority of the patrons agreed with her, were indifferent, or didn't hear her. That is how we know she was booted for a political opinion and that is WRONG!

Suzie

07-19-2004, 10:19 PM

That's how it works when you are on someone elses dime. You can do whatever you want when you are on your own. She evidently was willing to trade in the money for her freedom of speech if so God bless, but she shouldn't bitch about it now.

Rink

07-19-2004, 10:33 PM

Well by what it appears her remarks would have cost them business had they kept her there.

Casinos hire entertainers to Bring in people as the more people there means more business, and they cannot afford to loose people.

Rondstadt cost them business with her jackass 'opinions'

Timberwolf

07-19-2004, 11:50 PM

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Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore

I can see asking her to leave the stage or not make political comments but booting her out of the entire casino?

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Absolutely. Were I the casino owner, I'd have booted her, too.

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This is about FoS not about the left or right. It seems to me that both sides have gotten to the point that they only want to extend freedom of speech to only what they want to hear. That's not how it works.

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NO...this is about private property rights. I will not tolerate ANYONE to spew that kind of crap in any building or on any property I own. The person that does so will be immediately asked to leave. Should said person refuse, s/he will be arrested for trespassing and carted off to jail.

FoS can only be supressed by the government...that didn't happen.

HarvickFan29

07-19-2004, 11:58 PM

This is about someone disagreeing with a political opinion, and giving the opposed view the boot. I've heard people here bitch about that many times when it happens to those on the right. You can call this incident what you want, but it's still WRONG.

Rink

07-19-2004, 11:59 PM

how is it wrong?

explain

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 12:02 AM

You mean to tell me you'd throw someone off your property if they disagreed with you politically? I'd have to question the mentality of such a thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 12:03 AM

Rink, if you read my posts, you won't have to ask that question.

Rink

07-20-2004, 12:09 AM

Luv hate to tell you but Casinos hire entertainers to BRING IN PEOPLE, because the more people brought in means more money in the casinos coffers, that is why they hire them.

The casinos dont hire entertainers so they can spout bullshit that pisses their casino customers off to a serious degree as Rondstadt has done.

What she did was cost that casino money because she drove their customers away.

if they did not toss her out, word of mouth would have sunk that casino.

They can ill afford it.

What is 'Entertainment'????

is it singing, dancing and the such? or is it standing on a soapbox after promising to 'entertain' and spout political garbage that has no entertaining value whatsoever?

Linda Rondstadt was there to entertain, not politicize, there is a vast difference between the two, and in some respects Rondstadt violated the contract that had her there to 'Entertain' not spout politics.

Rondstadt can spout all the politics she wants to her hearts delight on her own, but at someone elses expense and to the detriment of a contract to 'entertain' she chose to do elsewise. and got the boot.

Got no prob with what the casino did there.

its business.

Riverboat

07-20-2004, 12:27 AM

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HarvickFan29 said: I can see asking her to leave the stage or not make political comments but booting her out of the entire casino?

This is about FoS not about the left or right. It seems to me that both sides have gotten to the point that they only want to extend freedom of speech to only what they want to hear. That's not how it works.

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I'm surprised to find myself strongly disagreeing with you over something, but here goes. Property rights is a superior (or should be) right to anything else in the Bill of Rights. You have the right to your own opinion, but you don't have the right to shoot your mouth off in MY HOUSE. If I own a casino I have the same right to throw your ass out. Likewise, If I'm a smart proprietor, and I see the crowd is lapping her up (so to speak), I should, to be mercenary about it, keep her on the payroll.

DoctorDoom

07-20-2004, 12:32 AM

The casino is a privately owned business. It is there to make money. The wench was there to use her singing talents for the purpose of making money for the casino, for which service she was being paid by the casino. The people attending the concert paid for the event on the assumption that they would hear her singing.

She deliberately chose to inject her unrequested political opinion while on the stage, ergo while being paid for her services. As a result, the audience became annoyed, and some of them left. This adversely affected the cash flow of the casino.

The casino owners responded in a reasonable and justifiable manner by tossing her liberal ass out the door. Whether or not there was a clause in her contract that prohibited such activity is irrelevant. Her choice to inject politics into a concert was not appreciated by those who paid to hear singing. The casino thus suffered a negative impact on its income. Her action was the direct cause of it.

There is no way that the owners can be faulted for their response.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 12:34 AM

Of course the president of the casino has the right to throw anyone off his property and for any reason he sees fit. I just don't agree with this reason, and to not let her return to her room to gather her things? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif This is tactics that belong to the leftists.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 12:39 AM

Likewise, If I'm a smart proprietor, and I see the crowd is lapping her up (so to speak), I should, to be mercenary about it, keep her on the payroll.

Yep, I'm sure more people agreed with her than not because most stayed but the boos were louder. Had the cheers been louder, the president of the casino wouldn't have had a problem, huh?

Riverboat

07-20-2004, 12:47 AM

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HarvickFan29 said: Had the cheers been louder, the president of the casino wouldn't have had a problem, huh?

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Quite so. Problem solved. Then it would come down to my OWN principles. Do I want that dyke-looking has-been singing in my club with her fat-lapping proclivities, or do I want to show her the door and good riddance and take your leathery face with you?

Riverboat

07-20-2004, 12:52 AM

BTW, I read the link. I didn't see anything about the casino owner not allowing her back in her room to gather her personal effects. Me, I would have carefully bundled them up and set them in front of her on the sidewalk near the dumpster and taken inventory.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 01:04 AM

She was only booked for that one show. Again, I don't have a problem with the president of the casino firing her but to not let her return to her room and escorting her off the property? No, no!

I didn't see anything about the casino owner not allowing her back in her room to gather her personal effects.

You didn't look close enough. This is from the article: Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, said he didn't allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite afterward and she was escorted off the property.

Estragon

07-20-2004, 01:05 AM

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Of course the president of the casino has the right to throw anyone off his property and for any reason he sees fit. I just don't agree with this reason, and to not let her return to her room to gather her things? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif This is tactics that belong to the leftists.

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C'mon. You hire a singer, who then goes into a rant that causes patrons to request refunds. It doesn't matter if it was political, profane, or if she was preaching the Gospel. When the paying clients start asking for refunds, if I'm the casino owner, she gets the boot.

They were also pissed off that she went on a tirade against the advertising, telling people this was no "greatest hits show," but ALL the promotional materials were supplied by HER people, and did mention her hits. If she didn't intend to sing "Different Drum," "Heat Wave," "Love is a Rose," etc., why did she have them listed on the posters?

I have seen nothing about her not being allowed to collect her things. The only report I saw said she was escorted out of the casino and invited never to return; of course they let her pack up first {like she really does it herself}.

It has nothing to do with politics. If the audience stood and cheered after her remarks, the casino would have been looking to extend her engagement. The customers were offended and left. In the casino business, causing people to leave is an unforgivable sin.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 01:14 AM

Please read what I post BEFORE responding.

The article says nothing about refunds or her tirades about advertising.

Again, I have no problem with him firing her but not allowing her to return to her room, and escorting her off the property after her comments??

Esty wrote: I have seen nothing about her not being allowed to collect her things. The only report I saw said she was escorted out of the casino and invited never to return; of course they let her pack up first {like she really does it herself}.

You should also read the article before responding as well.

From the article: Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, said he didn't allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite afterward and she was escorted off the property.

jag

07-20-2004, 07:03 AM

Like Suzie said That's how it works when you are on someone elses dime. You can do whatever you want when you are on your own. She evidently was willing to trade in the money for her freedom of speech if so God bless, but she shouldn't bitch about it now. ...her room was free, her meals (and it looks like there were a lot of them) were free, her transportation was free. They had every right to remove her because she was not a paying guest - she was a paid performer.

Not letting her back in her suite was the only way to cancel what was left of her engagement, that was the statement he was making. Not letting her gather her stuff - big poo, they gather up her things and boot her out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/claps.gif

Suzie

07-20-2004, 09:48 AM

The story does say people were throwing drinks. If she were allowed to stay on site it could have cost them MORE money. You get several people who are drunk and pissed off and you can have a big problem. They had displeased customers and property damage that would have never occured if she simply did what she was hired to do.

Harv are you saying no one has the right to fire someone for not doing their job or loosing money for the business they were hired to MAKE money for? And if they do fire you they have to still give you all the perks of your employment with them?

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 09:53 AM

Harv are you saying no one has the right to fire someone for not doing their job or loosing money for the business they were hired to MAKE money for? And if they do fire you they have to still give you all the perks of your employment with them?

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Suz, read my posts and you'll know what I am saying. I've repeated my views on this several times, and it's all there for comprehension. Read, and you shall find.

Suzie

07-20-2004, 09:58 AM

Comprehension is in the eye of the beholder, and no one seems to be holdin' you in this thread. The rest of us are lookin at the same page.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 10:21 AM

Don't know what to tell you if you can't read. Why should I keep posting my views over and over if you're gonna not pay attention and ask the same questions over and over again???

It doesn't matter to me that anyone else agree with me on this. No big deal. There is no rule that says we all have to agree.

Jeffrho

07-20-2004, 10:30 AM

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In an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal before the show, Ronstadt said, "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back."

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Timberwolf

07-20-2004, 11:28 AM

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You mean to tell me you'd throw someone off your property if they disagreed with you politically? I'd have to question the mentality of such a thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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If it were impacting my ability to make a profit, you bet your sweet ass I would. That's what was happening...this guy's patrons were LEAVING. That kind of bad publicity gets around and it can ruin one's business.

Remember, a satisfied customer will tell 3 people. A DISsatisfied customer will tell EVERYONE s/he meets.

Rush is speakin on this right now...

Antigone

07-20-2004, 11:46 AM

Aladdin officials defend eviction of singer after political comments

By MIKE WEATHERFORD
REVIEW-JOURNAL

Aladdin officials said Monday the decision to evict singer Linda Ronstadt from their hotel Saturday was not a partisan political response but an attempt to "defuse the situation" with an angry crowd.

"It was a very ugly scene," Aladdin President Bill Timmins told The Associated Press. "She praised (filmmaker Michael Moore), and all of a sudden all bedlam broke loose."

"It did not come down to the statements she had said, per se," hotel spokeswoman Tyri Squyres said Monday of the 58-year-old singer, who dedicated her encore song "Desperado" to Moore and encouraged the audience to see his film "Fahrenheit 9/11."

"We needed her off the property," Squyres said of Timmins' decision to check the singer out of her room and escort her from the hotel. "She wanted to incite the audience, and she incited them to the point where they were very upset."

LINK HERE (http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jul-20-Tue-2004/news/24348468.html)

From the article:

"It's about using our venue for political commentary versus being an entertainer," she said. "She was hired to entertain, not to preach."

That pretty much sums it up, IMO. If people want to hear political clap trap, they attend a political rally, dinner, or other venue. If they want to be entertained they buy a ticket to a concert, movie, etc.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 01:09 PM

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Timberwolf said:
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HarvickFan29 said:
You mean to tell me you'd throw someone off your property if they disagreed with you politically? I'd have to question the mentality of such a thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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If it were impacting my ability to make a profit, you bet your sweet ass I would.

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But that's not what you initially said which is why I asked the question. Here's what you said: "I will not tolerate ANYONE to spew that kind of crap in any building or on any property I own."

Chris

07-20-2004, 01:13 PM

She hasn't changed. We booed that twit off the stage in the early 70s when she was the warm-up act for Neil Young. She was so bad, everyone was talking and no one was listening, so she threatened the audience. Philly crowds don't take to well to that, so she was outta there.

Faithful_Servant

07-20-2004, 01:35 PM

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HarvickFan29 said:
Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore
This is about FoS not about the left or right. It seems to me that both sides have gotten to the point that they only want to extend freedom of speech to only what they want to hear. That's not how it works.

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Legally, if you're working for me, your freedom of speech ends when you punch the time-clock. Freedom of Speech has always been about public speech, once you enter the private realm, there are limits. For instance if someone comes into my house and starts singing the Fat One's praises, I'm telling them to leave in short order and no uncertain terms. It's my house and I will enforce censorship whenever I please. The casino operator is no different, it's his property and he can censor anything he likes to what ever legal extent he chooses.

Timberwolf

07-20-2004, 08:08 PM

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HarvickFan29 said:
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Timberwolf said:
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HarvickFan29 said:
You mean to tell me you'd throw someone off your property if they disagreed with you politically? I'd have to question the mentality of such a thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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If it were impacting my ability to make a profit, you bet your sweet ass I would.

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But that's not what you initially said which is why I asked the question. Here's what you said: "I will not tolerate ANYONE to spew that kind of crap in any building or on any property I own."

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So what? They don't contradict each other. In the 2nd one, I was narrowing the qualification(s) and speaking from the PoV of the casino owner.

Geez Harv...try some Midol or somethin'. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 09:26 PM

No need for Midol here or the sexist comment. I never touch that trash. Feel free to take a pill yourself.. You might also try being more clear next time by clarifying if you're speaking from another's POV. There's no way I could have known that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Anyway,you might remember the Kerry supporter that went to one of his rallies with an anti-abortion sign? (She had an abortion at an earlier age and realized it was wrong.) Anyway, she made it close to the front of the stage to get closer to Kerry, and some of the Kerry campaign people came down and took her sign, tore it up, and escorted her out. Yes, they had a right to do it. But, I had a problem with it because it's not what they did, it's how they did it. That's the same way I see this thing with Ronstadt. It's not that I disagree with the decision to fire her but the way she was escorted off by security and wasn't allowed to return to her room is way over the top.

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 09:36 PM

FS, yes, I understand your points..

But, it doesn't change the fact that both political parties have gotten to the point that they only want to tolerate speech if it is what they want to hear or what they agree with. That's quite bigoted. It is not something I can support.

Rink

07-20-2004, 09:43 PM

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HarvickFan29 said:
No need for Midol here or the sexist comment. I never touch that trash. Feel free to take a pill yourself.. You might also try being more clear next time by clarifying if you're speaking from another's POV. There's no way I could have known that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Anyway,you might remember the Kerry supporter that went to one of his rallies with an anti-abortion sign? (She had an abortion at an earlier age and realized it was wrong.) Anyway, she made it close to the front of the stage to get closer to Kerry, and some of the Kerry campaign people came down and took her sign, tore it up, and escorted her out. Yes, they had a right to do it. But, I had a problem with it because it's not what they did, it's how they did it. That's the same way I see this thing with Ronstadt. It's not that I disagree with the decision to fire her but the way she was escorted off by security and wasn't allowed to return to her room is way over the top.

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LOL you still dont get it, Rondstandt was PAID to entertain at that casino, whereas that woman who came to the event where Kerry was at, wasnt paid a dime and she wasnt there to entertain anyone, the woman was silently protesting kerry in a public place, as it was a political event, hence her sign was in conjunction with the politics, the thing that i didnt like was the fact that they grabbed her and took the sign from her and ripped it up, thats a Politician hindering a citizens right to free speech which if I might be so bold as to say that politician is a representative in America's government hence Kerry's boys did violate her right to freedom of speech .

I might be stretching it abit but then again they are under Kerry's pay and are in the democrat party, hence its much more on the lines of a govt entity silencing an American citizen's right of freedom of speech in a public place.

Whereas Rondstadt was at the casino to entertain and the casino was paying her and all the expenses for her to be there and for her to bring in more people so the casino can make money, no politics involved whatsoever, and when ronstadt injected politics in an otherwise supposedly entertainment venue, people got pissed.

And that constitutes loss of revenue.

Ronstadt can stand on a street corner and howl away all she wants to on politics but the casino is a private organization not related to any political party, and not representative of any part of the US government, hence they had every right to kick her out for her disruptive 'show' which cost them paying patrons who demanded money back.

As if they had allowed Ronstadt to stay, that would have in effect constituted the casino's advertizements on Ronstadt being there as an entertainer and for entertainment to be false and misleading and the patrons would have been even more reason to sue for false advertizing let alone want their money back for buying the tickets.

Now is that not clear enoug for you?

HarvickFan29

07-20-2004, 09:51 PM

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Rink said:

LOL you still dont get it

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Rink, I get it just fine, and I think you need to pay attention. I NEVER said the Kerry incident was the same. But, here's what I said: "I had a problem with it because it's not what they did, it's how they did it. That's the same way I see this thing with Ronstadt. It's not that I disagree with the decision to fire her but the way she was escorted off by security and wasn't allowed to return to her room is way over the top. "

What about that isn't clear enough for YOU????

Faithful_Servant

07-21-2004, 01:21 PM

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HarvickFan29 said:
Anyway,you might remember the Kerry supporter that went to one of his rallies with an anti-abortion sign? (She had an abortion at an earlier age and realized it was wrong.) Anyway, she made it close to the front of the stage to get closer to Kerry, and some of the Kerry campaign people came down and took her sign, tore it up, and escorted her out. Yes, they had a right to do it. But, I had a problem with it because it's not what they did, it's how they did it.

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They were wrong in tearing up her sign. That's personal property and they destroyed it. Removing her from the rally would have been acceptable if it was on private property or on public property legally leased for the purpose of the rally.