Under-the-skin ID chips move toward U.S. hospitals

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Last modified: July 27, 2004, 12:47 PM PDT
By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com


VeriChip, the company that makes radio frequency identification--RFID--tags for humans, has moved one step closer to getting its technology into hospitals.

The Federal Drug Administration issued a ruling Tuesday that essentially begins a final review process that will determine whether hospitals can use RFID (http://news.com.com/RFID+goes+to+war/2008-1006_3-5176246.html?tag=nl) systems from the Palm Beach, Fla.-based company to identify patients and/or permit relevant hospital staff to access medical records, said Angela Fulcher, vice president of marketing and sales at VeriChip.

(VeriChip) sells 11-millimeter RFID tags that get implanted in the fatty tissue below the right tricep. When near one of Verichip's scanners, the chip wakes up and radios an ID number to the scanner. If the number matches an ID number in a database, a person with the chip under his or her skin can enter a secured room or complete a financial transaction.

"It is used instead of other biometric applications," such as fingerprints, Fulcher said.

The approval process does not center on health risks or implications, Fulcher said. VeriChip can already sell implantable RFID chips in the United States for standard security applications and the financial market. The company's basic technology has also been used in animals for years.

Instead, the FDA may mostly examine privacy issues, Fulcher indicated. In other words, the agency will look at whether the technology will lead to situations where confidential information can get improperly disclosed.

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[Nemo0213]

I have been reading about this for years. Its just what we need a way to track anybody we want. Religous fanatics ( i.e. people who actually believe in the bible and what it says), political dissidents ( i.e. people who don't agree), criminals (i.e. even the ones who have truly changed).
yay go ADS!!!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

As for me and my family, we will NEVER take this implant, no matter HOW popular, how recommended, or how necessary it is seen to be. This is wrong, and people need to understand the impact of the implications this device presents. This is NOT progress, but instead the road to destruction.

[Wolfcounsel]

I will implant any RFID coming my way with my boot up the asshole of the first asshole trying to implant it in me. But I keep repeating myself, heh heh.

[Rink]

They will force the issue by making it mandatory to have a chip in order to do Any financial transactions, and if you dont have a chip, you're SOL, and you wont be able to buy or sell anything then anymore.

I give it ten to twenty years down the road, they'll have that combined with the global positioning chip, and the mark of the beast will be pushed onto us whether we want it or not.

they'll tout the GPS one as a surefire way to prevent child and infant kidnappings, then they'll make it mandatory that all infants born will be chipped 'for safety reasons'

you wont pretty soon be able to do any financial transactions without the chip.

and you know what? people will accept it and think it a Great idea and go for it with open arms, not realizing what it truly is.

A means of control over the human race.

10 to 20 years isnt that long.

Its started

[tacitus]

The article and the requirements are smoke and mirrors.

The biometrics of eye scan or fingerprint scan can not be faked so why does this chip need to be implanted. The patient records area in the hospital is secure and entry is gained only if needed.

The pharmacy area is more secure than Fort Knox. If anyone tried to break in, the panic button in activated and armed cops are there in a matter of seconds.

Anyone that has spent any time working in hospitals knows what areas are secured and what areas are not. Stay out of the ones that are not.

They can implant a chip in me when I'm dead so future generations can find my grave. Until then /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissmygrits.gif

[Rink]

I was at a hostpital yesterday and watched when i was at the pharmacy, people put the code in and then walked in, well that dorr opened wide and had a 20 second window before it closed.

I could have gotten up and walked in without a hitch.

tells ya somethin bout access problems.

But the point of it is with this chip is they're testing things right now, they dont have the means to mass produce yet, and its not ready to be certain on the biometrics untill then they wont make it mandatory for any reason.

They're i think tryin things out and seein how it goes, with time they'll work on perfecting it, and like I said given 10 to 20 years down the road, they may come out with a final product thats as foolproof as you'll get.

(BTW entering a pharmacy is one thing, getting to things In the pharmacy is another, but I just cited the example of physical access to the area only).

[HarvickFan29]

I agree with Tac and Wolfie C. Ain't nobody planting no stinking chip under my skin. Enough things get under my skin already! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

[Rink]

Knowin MY luck I'd be allergic to the freakin thing myself!

I am allergic to practically everything else, GAH!

[UnkHiram]

No ID under my skin, I understand some of the rationalization for this devise, finding kids, missing people, another 911 type attack. I see the wisdom of every point they make, on the other side of the scale is the mental picture of Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno sitting in the Oval Office and saying "There he is, going into 711. Send in the ATF".

Forgive me, but they will not put one in me, alive or dead. They can take their ID and implant it where the sun dont shine.

[Rink]

The worry I have is the incrementalism that is inherent with this kind of tech, a little bit here, a little bit there, people start accepting and then before you know it its mandatory.

I hate that indidious incremental creep.

[Wolfcounsel]

"They will force the issue by making it mandatory to have a chip in order to do Any financial transactions, and if you dont have a chip, you're SOL, and you wont be able to buy or sell anything then anymore." --Rink

I am trained to live with the five basic needs of all humans. Nobody will prevent me from breathing, getting a shelter, getting drinking water, getting food, and defending what I have with lethal force.

[Rink]

locking up the land is one way they can
the UN has bought up a lot of US Forest lands, and want to make forest wilderness corridors and shove people into megacities at the same time.

just more control over the masses that way.

[Wolfcounsel]

"locking up the land is one way they can" --Rink

Any attempt by any assholes to starve me will result in their demise, as I will take their act as attempted murder. Now pardon me while I go re-starch my aluminum beanie, heh heh.

[DoctorDoom]

I doubt that anyone would be forced to accept the chip. However, it would be impossible to engage in any financial transactions without it.

No doubt an underground barter-based subculture would arise, but it would be hard-pressed to stay ahead of the authorities.

The mark isn't a matter of "if". It's just when and how, and we've already provided the "how".

[Timberwolf]

Yeah, but there will be far more "have nots" than "haves" and the "have nots" will be armed to the teeth.

[DoctorDoom]

IF they can buy ammo.

[Timberwolf]

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DoctorDoom said:
IF they can buy ammo.

[/ QUOTE ]
Buy it?? Naw, they'll just "liberate" it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

[Rink]

Convenience and for reasons of financial security as well as other security stuff.

it would be convenient for some to have the chip and not have to bother carrying credit cards.

it would be convenient for govt to be able to track its employees and know who is and isnt accessing sensitive secure areas.

Convenience.

[DoctorDoom]

Factors to consider:

• The latest generation has never known a world without computers.
• They are accustomed to dealing with machines rather than people, e.g., ATMs.
• They are accustomed to doing financial transactions without cash, e,g., cards.
• They are accustomed to the convenience of non-cash transactions.
• Cards can be lost or stolen.
• ID theft is a rapidly growing crime.
• A single theft-proof, loss-proof, fraud-proof ID would be welcomed.

Premises for commercials:

John and Jane are running late for a concert. Reason? The car keys have been misplaced, and they're tearing the house apart looking for them. Cut to Harry and Mary walking to the family car. Harry stops at the driver's door and waves his hand by the scanner. The doors unlock and the engine starts. They enter and drive off, fresh and relaxed.

"The Chip! Life is too short to waste!"

Jack is standing against a wall, his face contorted in fear, as scraggly, drug-fried scum are shouting, "Where's the money, m****rf****r?" He hands his wallet to the assholes and they take off laughing. Cut to Pete, watching with a smile as the cops cuff the bastards. How did they find out? The biomonitor capability of the chip recorded the sudden changes caused by the assault, and in seconds the patrol cars had his location to within five feet.

"The Chip! Tomorrow's security for today's people!"

A group of hikers is huddled together as the cold, cloudy night falls. The search teams are out in force trying to find them in thousands of square miles of wilderness. Their flashlights have died. Their cell phones don't work. And in the bushes, a loud rustling and crunching tells them that something big is coming their way. Cut to another group watching in relief as the sweeping spotlights of helicopters flood the area with illumination. They are guided by their readouts showing their location, their names, their medical conditions, and so on. The group's collective biomonitor activities signalled their status.

"The Chip! Help is just a heartbeat away!"

In the checkout line, Jean is fumbling with her purse, trying to find an extra 50 cents to cover her underestimated tab. Behind her, impatient customers are grumbling and glaring. Cut to Sally, who looks at the register readout, swipes her hand by the scanner, and seconds later is on her way.

"The Chip! The only change you'll ever need!"


I haven't the merest doubt that it will be embraced en masse. It's an easy sell.

[Wolfcounsel]

"IF they can buy ammo." --DoctorDoom

What Timberwolf says about liberating it.

[Timberwolf]

Don't forget that we who want nothing to do with that crap will be seen as paranoid and "resisting progress".

Well, they can take Terezzzzzzzzza's advice as to what to do with their condecension.

[Kathy29]

The chip will be marketed as a safety measure the same way it was marketed for animals. You can't get a pet from the pound that isn't chipped at all. So they can find it if it gets lost, or find you through the info on the chip.

They will NOT force anyone to be chipped. They won't use it for financial transactions for many, many years.

They will TRY to use kidnappings to promote the chip, but that won't work. It will result in a remarkable number of mutiliations as kidnappers thwart the chip by cutting off a limb, or cutting it out.

The chip will be used for the benefit of the chiillllldddreeen. It's a child safety issue. Those children who are chipped won't get lost or taken by the neighbor and stuffed in a closet. As chipped children are returned and unchipped kids lost forever, more parents will have their kids chipped. The people who grew up implanted will think nothing of having their own children implanted at birth. No more switched at birth stories. In fact, it will be taken as a matter of course that babies will be implanted immediately.

It's working with smoking. Get the kids, and in a generation or so, there will be no more tobacco smokers.

Look for felons to be chipped too, so they can no longer escape. It will take a few generations for everyone to be chipped but eventually everyone will be. But, you don't have to be forced.

[Wolfcounsel]

There is no way in hell the anal-retentives can manufacture a fool-proof anal leash (RFID). And about financial transactions, green or gold will always take the place of computer data in any account.

[Rink]

The 'authorities' will standardize and make it mandatory that if you wish to do secure financial transactions, you must have the chip, if you dont you cant really do financial transactions very securely and will be rupe for thievery and fraud, as with whats being done with the https type thing for online financially secure transactions, they will take it another step forward to make sure no hacker got on your pc, as individually YOU will be the one that will finalize any financial transaction, and even if a hacker gets your name password and bank account, they DONT have the chip thats within you, hence they cannot steal or defraud you of your money or buy things on your account.

Go figure on this, this will be made mandatory, and children born in hospitals, it will become a mandatory safety thing to chip newborns so they cant be switched by accident or stolen from hospitals.

For athletics its also a way to make sure whatever you do you will be save and easily found no matter what, no more worries of batteries on cellphones going dead or cellphones being in deadzones where you cant use, or transponders that are not good enough or powerful enough to work to help rescuers find you.

It will be easier, less bulky and very appealing to many people in many walks of life.

Eventually the Forest service will probably make it mandatory that everyone that uses the national Forestlands Must be chipped or they will not be able to enter, camp, hike, climb etc.

it will be forced on the public, bit by bit, in the name of safety &amp; security

[Wolfcounsel]

The RFID is the answer to a problem that does not exist. One strong EMP will send every pamperbutt back into the Stone Age, and without basic survival KISS knowledge, every power-hungry asshole out there with overwhelming firepower will be able to enslave every single one of those newly created Neanderthals.

[Rink]

the point of the matter is people will not be likely interested in bothering with EMP's as many will embrace and run willingly to be chipped and then the govt will mandate it , just like they mandated seatbelt laws, helmet laws etc for safety reasons, then, what are you gonna do EMP the entire world?

[Wolfcounsel]

"...then, what are you gonna do EMP the entire world?" --Rink

Only sheep will allow themselves to receive a leash up their asses.

[Rink]

the problem is we ALRADY have too many sheeple, the majority will force it all upon the minority that do not want this, and you wont have a choice in anything.

give it time.

[Wolfcounsel]

"the problem is we ALRADY have too many sheeple, the majority will force it all upon the minority that do not want this, ..." --Rink

I always keep my favorite saying in mind:

The wolf does not worry that the number of sheep is increasing.


I forgot who said it.

[Rink]

wont mater, the masses will push for mandatory implementation of this, all for the name of safety and security, which they will get none of...

and any who refuses will just end up starving, no business, no means of living, and the forests will be locked up and they will be locked out.

have fun eating grass.

when thats gone then what?

[Wolfcounsel]

"and any who refuses will just end up starving, no business, no means of living, and the forests will be locked up and they will be locked out." --Rink

I will continue to live comfortably, and no asshole will lock me out of my necessities. They will try under penalty of annihilation, heh heh. OOPS. My aluminum beanie is getting tarnished. Time for the never dull.

[Rink]

lol you wont be able to buy anything at the store anymore, you wont be able to even buy your ammo, you wont be able to gas your car up or buy anything, as they will do their utmost to implement a cashless society, and once that is done, you can kiss your freedoms goodbye, as with a cashless society the government will have total control over you and your finances, and many people wont realize this till its too late. and by the time they do realize it, the deed will have been done and made permanent.

one question i would like to ask.

it is stated in the bible's book of Revelation, that any who receives the mark of the beast will be damned (in so many words)

How will this happen, and how will they be damned?

no I'm thinking realistically in real world waya. not angels casting them into everlasting fore, but how will they sufer here on earth?

first.

[Wolfcounsel]

"lol you wont be able to buy anything at the store anymore, you wont be able to even buy your ammo, you wont be able to gas your car up or buy anything, as they will do their utmost to implement a cashless society, and once that is done, you can kiss your freedoms goodbye,..." --Rink

One needs air, shelter, water, food, and, lethal force, to protect what one has. With a crude bow and arrow I can get the most modern weapon and ammunition any errand boy has in his possession.

"it is stated in the bible's book of Revelation, that any who receives the mark of the beast will be damned (in so many words)" --Rink

Anyone who falls down to worship any earthly imagined master is damned already.

[Rink]

yes but they Accept the mark of the 'beast' to me the beast may be an entirely different thing than what we thought it would be, people nowadays have worshipped money and will screw over their best friends for money, think on it.

What does the chip answer to?

a central computer, who runs and controls that central computer with the 'secure database'

to me the beast and its prophet is a computer with someone running and controlling it.

makes it so much easier to control and manimpulate the masses.

to be a benevolent dictator without people knowing it.

BUT, how will those who 'accepted' the mark of the beast suffer in this life, (not to mention the last damnation)????

can you answer this?

as I have my theories, but I wish to see what you have to offer over this.

[Wolfcounsel]

"BUT, how will those who 'accepted' the mark of the beast suffer in this life, (not to mention the last damnation)????

can you answer this?" --Rink

No. But computer or not, some inhuman asshole or assholes will be in back of it, heh heh.

[Rink]

My theory would be construed as science fiction though but its just an idea.

think terminator but with a twist. something of a mechanized military robot mass military 'soldiers' that can find chipped people via gps and killem.

think something serious went wrong, and the worst part will be, nobody will be able to hide from this if it ever really did happen except for those who never accepted the chip, and nobody will be able to remove the chips either once they're chipped.

Can we say they're really screwed?

think about it.

Might be tin hat things, but heck its JUST theories anyhow.

[Rink]

and its not farfetched on the mass mechanized military either, as DARPA has been for a long time trying to develop a fully mechanized military.

[Wolfcounsel]

A fully mechamized military that will be rendered stupid and useless with a well-placed EMP, that is.

[Rink]

Who will place this EMP? you? who is to say the military wont have control of and lock up anything thats EMP placing? how will anyone be able to gain access to emp devices?

if a screwup actually happens, not gonna be enough people to readily gain access to emp type devices 'due to the security concerns' of havin a mechanized military rendered moot by an enemy.

i dont think they will make emp devices readily accessible if they mechanize a military, and then who is to say a mechanized military wont have some form of immunity or partial immunity to an emp attack (unless it was directly AT them???) as some specialized computers can be shielded from EMP attacks, if I am correct.

[Wolfcounsel]

The most sophisticated fail-safe device can be rendered into crap by cavemen.

[Rink]

not always, why do you think the govt has specialized bunkers in the ground for in case of nuclear attack??? With a nuke attack you will have EMP along with it.

they have had to know how to shield their sensitive computers from such stuff and God knows what they have that we DON'T know yet.

[Wolfcounsel]

Sounds like a lot of trouble to enslave some dumbasses. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Rink]

maybe or just outright killem off,

think about it, some lunatic would do it.

and as you know if the devil cant have creation and rule it, he'd rather destroy it than let God rule over it.

the more he takes down with him the happier he is.

[Rink]

PS: if its done in incremental degrees it wont be a lot of trouble to do and implement.

[DoctorDoom]

Miscellaneous comments on various points:

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They will NOT force anyone to be chipped.

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Just so, but since it will be all but impossible to function without it, there will be a strong incentive.

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They won't use it for financial transactions for many, many years.

[/ QUOTE ]
You think not? Ever use a credit or debit card? If so, then you're already using the basic technology, data moving over a computer network. The chip will merely replace the cards.

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There is no way in hell the anal-retentives can manufacture a fool-proof anal leash (RFID).

[/ QUOTE ]
They won't have to do that, since the system will not recognize one's existence without it.

[ QUOTE ]
And about financial transactions, green or gold will always take the place of computer data in any account.

[/ QUOTE ]
Only if there are such exchangeable commodities to use. E.g., Singapore is either now cashless or soon will be. IAC, if money is worthless, who will accept it?

[ QUOTE ]
The RFID is the answer to a problem that does not exist. One strong EMP will send every pamperbutt back into the Stone Age, and without basic survival KISS knowledge, every power-hungry asshole out there with overwhelming firepower will be able to enslave every single one of those newly created Neanderthals.

[/ QUOTE ]
Despite Matrix, EMP technology requires a high-altitude nuclear explosion. To bring about the total collapse of the electronic society, it world require dozens of such explosions. What's the likelihood of that?

[ QUOTE ]
Only sheep will allow themselves to receive a leash up their asses.

[/ QUOTE ]
There are thousands of sheep for every wolf.

[ QUOTE ]
I will continue to live comfortably, and no asshole will lock me out of my necessities. They will try under penalty of annihilation, heh heh. OOPS. My aluminum beanie is getting tarnished. Time for the never dull.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's easy to speak bravely, but once the totalitarian society is established, the brave become the dead.

[ QUOTE ]
... some specialized computers can be shielded from EMP attacks, if I am correct.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yep. EMP-proof equipment isn't difficult to build. The major result of an EMP attack is the disabling of the networks, e.g., the power and phone systems. For communication and data, fiberoptic systems are impervious to EMP. Only their electronic components are susceptible, and they can be "hardened".

The nature of EMP is that high-intensity electromagnetic fields are generated that induce damaging voltages and currents in conductors, which serve as antennas. The longer the conductors, the stronger the induced power. Circuitry of the size used in RFID chips is too small to be damaged by an EMP. The conductor runs aren't long enough.

[ QUOTE ]
The most sophisticated fail-safe device can be rendered into crap by cavemen.

[/ QUOTE ]
Only if they can get to it.

[ QUOTE ]
Sounds like a lot of trouble to enslave some dumbasses.

[/ QUOTE ]
The AC won't be interested in a few dumbasses. His target is world control, and he'll have it. IAC, the infrastructure is in place already.

The discussion here centers around chips, but they are not necessary to mechanize the "mark". The existing computer networks could do it today.

[Wolfcounsel]

"It's easy to speak bravely, but once the totalitarian society is established, the brave become the dead." --DoctorDoom

And the sheep can become the brave.

[DoctorDoom]

There won't be any "brave". There will be only the compliant and the dead, and the overwhelming majority of people would rather be in the former group. "Peace and safety!" will be the word of the day.

[Wolfcounsel]

The compliant, the dead, and the elite?

[Wolfcounsel]

Well, I don't need my beanie in the lunatic asylum, heh heh. I can rely on my lead umbrella here.

[Rink]

Well call it tin foil beanie type stuff, till it happens, when it does happen dont whine "I DIDN'T KNOW!

i dont think things such as this is applicable yet, its gonna take a few good decades to perfect for it to become a mandatory product.

[Wolfcounsel]

"...when it does happen dont whine "I DIDN'T KNOW!" --Rink

I'm killing the first asshole who even gives me an "I kissed my master's ass" look, if that happens.

[Rink]

LOL you're gonna have an army to koll then dear

[Wolfcounsel]

An army of ass-kissing momma's boys is just what the doctor ordered for the good of the little assholes who need their butts wiped on a daily basis.

Not referring to DoctorDoom as the doctor. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Rink]

I'm a realist WolfC

[Wolfcounsel]

So am I, Rink. That's why I will REAL-ly kill the first asshole I catch announcing he's a master worshipper in the "brave new world" the elite assholes may be trying to create. Who wants to be the first?

[Rink]

then i suggest you get well practiced in mass murderings then, because its gonna be a massive amount of people for you to kill off dear WolfC

[Wolfcounsel]

"then i suggest you get well practiced in mass murderings then,..." --Rink

Taking out the trash is not murder. It's the highest form of, well, in this future case, not public service, but the highest form of satisfaction for me.

[DeclinetoState]

I post, you decide. Some discuss the (purported) connection between 666 and chip implants, etc.

http://www.tldm.org/News4/MarkoftheBeast.htm

http://www.greaterthings.com/Word-Number/666/

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/markbeas.htm

http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/prophecy/mob.html

http://www.bible-prophecy.com/smart.htm

http://religion-cults.com/antichrist/mark.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/01/offbeat.passion.ap/

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm

[Triller]

But as long as the impants are not in the forehead or in the right hand then it would be fine.

I wouldn't mind getting a chip if it made things more convienient. The kind they are talking about are short range emitters that couldn't be tracked by gps directly. Still I would prefer it if you could turn them on and off when you wanted. Adding to the functionality of the human body with implants would be groovy. Imagine the benefits of a maths processor or a night vision chip.

[Wyatt_Junker]

If the chips go under the skin, where does the guacamole go?

[Nemo0213]

Check out infowars.com

[Triller]

You won't have a choice kitten. By the time the chip is mandatory the government will have killer robots who will hunt you down.

[Wyatt_Junker]

This all goes back to Iron Maiden's second album, bitches.

[The_Sonarman]

I'm not worried about "the Chip". The second that becomes mandatory in any way shape or form, and I am "called in" to get implanted, I start the revolution myself.