Maggie_T
03-09-2001, 03:40 PM
CAinLondon
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(1/30/01 4:47:15 am)
Reply Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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It's extremely comforting for me to know gun owners in America will instinctively band together to thwart nonsense like the S&W deal with the Feds. I sure hope all the other gun makers have taken a long hard look at S&W's fate. Wasn't S&W bought by a British company? They really need to stay out of the industry. They have zero respect or understanding for the need of free people to own weapons.
www.msnbc.com/news/522692.asp (http://www.msnbc.com/news/522692.asp)
absinthe
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(1/30/01 5:03:47 am)
Reply it was a sad year
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Yea..S&W was bought out by the brits, (Tomkins p.l.c. of London, England).
I've yet to run into a gun store that approves of S&W's Gun locks. Many places are selling off their remaining stock as 'consignment items' and refuse to stock more.
A man said to the universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the universe "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."--Stephen Crane
Westbrook
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posts: 97
(1/30/01 7:14:54 am)
Reply Re: it was a sad year
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The onerous burden imposed upon gun dealers by the convoluted and vague wording of the deal S&W made with the Clinton regime can actually be interpreted to apply to the sale of all other firearms in the store. Ergo, the remaining S&W stock sold by consignment and the refusal to stock any more in order to bypass the legalities.
From my observation, S&W stock just sits on the shelves going nowhere. What a shame. In their heyday, S&W did make some of the worlds finest revolvers.
"Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
~~ Romans 12:21
YukonJak
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(1/30/01 8:01:39 am)
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I actually think that the Smith and Wesson deal with the government was the best thing to happen to shooters on Klintons watch. It brought the gun world closer together and showed other manufacturers that any similar deal by them would not fly with the public.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty teeth. George Washington, First President
WarLady1
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posts: 952
(1/30/01 8:06:10 am)
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Smith & Wesson didn't get anything they didn't deserve and it should be a lesson that your voice does make a difference.
Absinthe, great to see you!
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
The RANDy Corporation
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posts: 81
(1/30/01 10:35:00 am)
Reply Great article!
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Thanks for posting this. Made my day.
Some thoughts:
"But a year later, the deal is all but dead——and the nation’’s largest handgun maker faces real questions about its survival."
maybe they should have thought of the reaction before trying to sell us out, frickin' limey's
"The gun lobby played a key role in electing George W. Bush, and its leaders expect him to oppose more restrictions. The gunmakers, meanwhile, are hoping Bush will do what he did in Texas: sign a law blocking any city from suing the industry. The gun war remains hard fought,
but the momentum has shifted."
Republicans and demonrats would both do well to remember this fact.
"His British parent company, Tomkins PLC, wanted to get Smith out of the courts so it could sell the company."
in other words, the Brits didn't give a care for its product or its customers, just who they could sell off to.
"Cuomo and the Democrats were turned out of office, in part because gun owners felt deeply threatened."
again, a lesson well learned.
------------ Joshua 24:15
Edited by: The RANDy Corporation at: 1/30/01 11:24:23 am
BEST45CAL
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posts: 98
(1/30/01 10:35:38 am)
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Yes, you are correct. S&W was purchased by the brits, the same jerks who gave us John Lennon and Hugh Grant.
Every gun store we frequent refuses to carry ANY S&W firearms. The liability placed on the store owners is too great.
Needless to say, we haven't purchased any new S&W firearms after April of 2000. No big deal, either. There are plenty of other products out there that are just as good, if not better than S&W. I always thought they were way overpriced anyway.
S&W was bought 13 years ago by Tomkins, a London-based holding company, which invested heavily in the gunmaker and now plans to sell it again. The only problem is despite being valued at $161 million, it is essentially a worthless piece of junk. S&W is threatened with a billion dollars in lawsuits.
Talk about a stinker. Peeeeee Yeewwwwwwww!
"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise."
WarLady1
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(1/30/01 10:42:36 am)
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Best you mean "over valued" don't you?
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
BEST45CAL
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posts: 99
(1/30/01 10:48:44 am)
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No doubt about that. It's a dog with fleas.
"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise."
YukonJak
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(1/30/01 11:09:06 am)
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Rumor is that Remington is looking to buy S&W. Smith & Wesson is a name with a lot of history behind it. I would love to see something like this happen.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty teeth. George Washington, First President
crowTrobot
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posts: 18
(1/30/01 1:14:51 pm)
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I'd just as soon see S&M dry up and blow away...stupid ass pommies anyway.
Entropy Squared
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(1/30/01 1:20:20 pm)
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I NEVER thought I'd see the day that I would quote Yukon but.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Political correctness is a virulent societal disease. Logic is the vaccine - ridicule is the cure. ~ Entropy Squared (The Rush to Chaos)
The Sonarman
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posts: 116
(2/1/01 9:45:31 am)
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True, the name Smith and Wesson is "old and venerable". That means nothing, of course. There are many other fine firearms makers. Remington is yet another "old name" in the firearms business. Given the Limey owners want to sell S&W, they are going to get hammered hard on the final price (probably have to accept a firesale price). We will have vengeance there.... in their pocket books.
This entire S&W episode proves conclusively we (the gun buyers) hold a mighty weapon over an errant gun manufacturer.... our purchasing dollars. The message to all the manufacturers is.... cave in to government pressure and we'll hammer you a lot quicker than any drawn out legal action.
I guarantee you the other gun manufacturers have taken notice. They either hang together, or hang separately.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
EagleTed
Gold Star Member
posts: 40
(2/2/01 5:48:48 pm)
Reply Still, it's a shame.
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Mr. Smith & Mr. Wesson were two geniuses at
gun innovation. They invented the first lever-action
(which Mr. Winchester later bought out). And, their
.22 and later center-fire shells paved the way for modern
guns.
It's a shame their names were drug through the
Clinton slime, thanks to the Brits.
New Member
posts: 3
(1/30/01 4:47:15 am)
Reply Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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It's extremely comforting for me to know gun owners in America will instinctively band together to thwart nonsense like the S&W deal with the Feds. I sure hope all the other gun makers have taken a long hard look at S&W's fate. Wasn't S&W bought by a British company? They really need to stay out of the industry. They have zero respect or understanding for the need of free people to own weapons.
www.msnbc.com/news/522692.asp (http://www.msnbc.com/news/522692.asp)
absinthe
New Member
posts: 4
(1/30/01 5:03:47 am)
Reply it was a sad year
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Yea..S&W was bought out by the brits, (Tomkins p.l.c. of London, England).
I've yet to run into a gun store that approves of S&W's Gun locks. Many places are selling off their remaining stock as 'consignment items' and refuse to stock more.
A man said to the universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the universe "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."--Stephen Crane
Westbrook
Gold Star Member
posts: 97
(1/30/01 7:14:54 am)
Reply Re: it was a sad year
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The onerous burden imposed upon gun dealers by the convoluted and vague wording of the deal S&W made with the Clinton regime can actually be interpreted to apply to the sale of all other firearms in the store. Ergo, the remaining S&W stock sold by consignment and the refusal to stock any more in order to bypass the legalities.
From my observation, S&W stock just sits on the shelves going nowhere. What a shame. In their heyday, S&W did make some of the worlds finest revolvers.
"Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
~~ Romans 12:21
YukonJak
New Member
posts: 15
(1/30/01 8:01:39 am)
Reply Re: it was a sad year
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I actually think that the Smith and Wesson deal with the government was the best thing to happen to shooters on Klintons watch. It brought the gun world closer together and showed other manufacturers that any similar deal by them would not fly with the public.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty teeth. George Washington, First President
WarLady1
Owner/Op/Moderator
posts: 952
(1/30/01 8:06:10 am)
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Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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Smith & Wesson didn't get anything they didn't deserve and it should be a lesson that your voice does make a difference.
Absinthe, great to see you!
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
The RANDy Corporation
Gold Star Member
posts: 81
(1/30/01 10:35:00 am)
Reply Great article!
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Thanks for posting this. Made my day.
Some thoughts:
"But a year later, the deal is all but dead——and the nation’’s largest handgun maker faces real questions about its survival."
maybe they should have thought of the reaction before trying to sell us out, frickin' limey's
"The gun lobby played a key role in electing George W. Bush, and its leaders expect him to oppose more restrictions. The gunmakers, meanwhile, are hoping Bush will do what he did in Texas: sign a law blocking any city from suing the industry. The gun war remains hard fought,
but the momentum has shifted."
Republicans and demonrats would both do well to remember this fact.
"His British parent company, Tomkins PLC, wanted to get Smith out of the courts so it could sell the company."
in other words, the Brits didn't give a care for its product or its customers, just who they could sell off to.
"Cuomo and the Democrats were turned out of office, in part because gun owners felt deeply threatened."
again, a lesson well learned.
------------ Joshua 24:15
Edited by: The RANDy Corporation at: 1/30/01 11:24:23 am
BEST45CAL
Gold Star Member
posts: 98
(1/30/01 10:35:38 am)
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Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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Yes, you are correct. S&W was purchased by the brits, the same jerks who gave us John Lennon and Hugh Grant.
Every gun store we frequent refuses to carry ANY S&W firearms. The liability placed on the store owners is too great.
Needless to say, we haven't purchased any new S&W firearms after April of 2000. No big deal, either. There are plenty of other products out there that are just as good, if not better than S&W. I always thought they were way overpriced anyway.
S&W was bought 13 years ago by Tomkins, a London-based holding company, which invested heavily in the gunmaker and now plans to sell it again. The only problem is despite being valued at $161 million, it is essentially a worthless piece of junk. S&W is threatened with a billion dollars in lawsuits.
Talk about a stinker. Peeeeee Yeewwwwwwww!
"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise."
WarLady1
Owner/Op/Moderator
posts: 967
(1/30/01 10:42:36 am)
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Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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Best you mean "over valued" don't you?
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
BEST45CAL
Gold Star Member
posts: 99
(1/30/01 10:48:44 am)
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Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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No doubt about that. It's a dog with fleas.
"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise."
YukonJak
New Member
posts: 16
(1/30/01 11:09:06 am)
Reply Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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Rumor is that Remington is looking to buy S&W. Smith & Wesson is a name with a lot of history behind it. I would love to see something like this happen.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty teeth. George Washington, First President
crowTrobot
New Member
posts: 18
(1/30/01 1:14:51 pm)
Reply Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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I'd just as soon see S&M dry up and blow away...stupid ass pommies anyway.
Entropy Squared
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posts: 11
(1/30/01 1:20:20 pm)
Reply Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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I NEVER thought I'd see the day that I would quote Yukon but.......
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Political correctness is a virulent societal disease. Logic is the vaccine - ridicule is the cure. ~ Entropy Squared (The Rush to Chaos)
The Sonarman
Gold Star Member
posts: 116
(2/1/01 9:45:31 am)
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Re: Smith & Wesson Down for the Count
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True, the name Smith and Wesson is "old and venerable". That means nothing, of course. There are many other fine firearms makers. Remington is yet another "old name" in the firearms business. Given the Limey owners want to sell S&W, they are going to get hammered hard on the final price (probably have to accept a firesale price). We will have vengeance there.... in their pocket books.
This entire S&W episode proves conclusively we (the gun buyers) hold a mighty weapon over an errant gun manufacturer.... our purchasing dollars. The message to all the manufacturers is.... cave in to government pressure and we'll hammer you a lot quicker than any drawn out legal action.
I guarantee you the other gun manufacturers have taken notice. They either hang together, or hang separately.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
EagleTed
Gold Star Member
posts: 40
(2/2/01 5:48:48 pm)
Reply Still, it's a shame.
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Mr. Smith & Mr. Wesson were two geniuses at
gun innovation. They invented the first lever-action
(which Mr. Winchester later bought out). And, their
.22 and later center-fire shells paved the way for modern
guns.
It's a shame their names were drug through the
Clinton slime, thanks to the Brits.