2nd_Amendment
03-09-2001, 04:13 PM
TheOriginalJester
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posts: 37
(2/16/01 7:56:13 am)
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Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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The time has come to get the wolves away from the door. We, as gun owners must band together to stop these people from assaulting our 2nd amendment rights. Time to go on the defensive. Here is what we need to do.
Legal firearms owners need to organize, collect funds and hit organization like Handgun Control, Gun Control Inc and others where it hurts, in the bank account. We must use the same tactics that have been using against gun manufacturers, costing them millions in the courts in litigation and attorney fees. Here is what I propose.
We must get legal help, set up class action lawsuits by people who have been shot, assaulted or have family that has been killed in areas like New York City that have taken their firearms from them unwillingly, and have had a crime perpetrated against them since this legislation took place.
I feel that if we can convince the courts that these organizations assume the responsibility of protecting the people they have disarmed, then we stand a chance of breaking their bank accounts and causing them to burn up needed funds to lobby for more legislation. If we can tie them up in the courts long enough, needed resources can be drained and these groups will cease to exist.
All municipal, state and county governments in these areas must also be included in these class action suits. It is time for the gun owners of America to get off the offensive and get on the defensive. It has clearly not worked being the nice guy in these affairs. We have to get as down and dirty as they are in order to defeat these organizations. These people are not the majority but just the opposite. They are few when compared to the millions of gun owners in this country, but, their advantage is they have a big mouth. This is how we must become to insure we keep our guns.
We need to get organized fast or we are all going to become just another victim. Any suggestion on how to begin? Any attorneys in here who agree? If so, now would you suggest we get started. If we accomplish nothing but breaking their finances, we have made a great step in breaking the organizations causing the trouble.
The Sonarman
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posts: 268
(2/16/01 8:22:20 am)
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Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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Suggestions? I have a couple.
It would be best to attack HCI from an existing group with a large membership already formed, especially one that is in contact (email, mailers, etc) with it's membership.
The NRA comes immediately to mind, given they have some 4+ million members.
Another, smaller organization is GOA, Gun Owners of America. GOA is much more "on the offense" against infringement of the second amendment. Now that I think of it, it would be fun to "force" the ACLU to assist, in defending our "civil rights".... one uses the lawyer buzz words when one has to.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
Yukon1
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posts: 52
(2/16/01 8:24:19 am)
Reply Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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You guys really are getting scared. Makes me laugh !!!
Father Yukon
The Sonarman
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posts: 270
(2/16/01 8:34:44 am)
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Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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Some other thoughts.
We fight anti-gunners with their own weapons.... lawyers. We do not need "the other tools" of the would-be-oppressors. The anti-gunner fanatics use lies, deceit, fraud and violating the constitution.
We citizens of the USA were "left armed" as an "insurance policy" against a government becoming too oppressive and powerful. This was the founders intent and purpose. The secondary objective was to answer an invasion by a foreign aggressor (such as Great Britain at that time). However, the primary purpose was to give the citizen a "last ditch" defense against our own government becoming tyrannical.
We have seen the US government become tyrannical. Just look at the actions of Emperor Bill Clinton for the past eight years.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
Rhino
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posts: 519
(2/16/01 8:50:21 am)
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Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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I posted a related thread the other day, but it got removed to another forum.
pub26.ezboard.com/fpoliti...D=90.topic
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"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Wolfcounsel
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posts: 233
(2/16/01 11:19:42 am)
Reply I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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"You guys really are getting scared." --Yukon1
I wonder what a criminal would answer to this question:
Excuse me, but would you rather I shoot you with my .25 automatic handgun, or shall I use my 30--the heck with that--my 10 gauge shotgun?
Edited by: Wolfcounsel at: 2/16/01 11:21:22 am
Maggie T
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posts: 295
(2/16/01 11:36:09 am)
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Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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Quote:
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"You guys really are getting scared. Makes me laugh!!" --Yukon1
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Of course. Laughter always abounds in the mouth of idiots.
Rhino
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posts: 524
(2/16/01 12:21:21 pm)
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Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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In a way, he's right.
We're afraid of being at the mercy of criminals.
We're afraid of being at the mercy of a dictatorial government.
We're afraid of being at the mercy of liberal despots.
We're afraid of seeing our freedom loving form of government vanish into oblivion.
Given the evidence at hand, experiences of countries that have already lost these freedoms, and past actions of the gun banners, do we really have something to be afraid of? OH BABY!!! You bet your ass we do!!!!!!
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"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 236
(2/16/01 12:39:09 pm)
Reply Mens sana in corpore sano
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Padre, also remember that fear can be your friend. Are you afraid of getting mugged? Si o no?
TheOriginalJester
Gold Star Member
posts: 38
(2/16/01 2:51:29 pm)
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Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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It must be terrible to be Canadian, Stupid and disarmed. Time for fear, suspicion and vigilance has passed for them. They blew it, allowed their government to take their freedoms and they now lavish themselves in the broth of ignorance, captivity and the knowledge of being beaten down ty the people they elected to watch over their rights.
EagleTed
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posts: 140
(2/16/01 4:48:43 pm)
Reply Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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Larry Klayman's group, Judicial Review, has the
know how, and infrastructure in place to bring
lawsuits. Has anyone suggested they do something
like this?
We would have to beef up our contributions to
whichever group took the task on. But, I'm all
for it. Who wants to do a little more research
to see what we can come up with?
Life, Liberty, Property
TheOriginalJester
Gold Star Member
posts: 42
(2/17/01 6:21:44 am)
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Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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No, but it seems to be a way to start. I have no contact info on them, can you help with that? I'll get the ball rolling if you can give me the contact information.
EagleTed
Forum Host
posts: 146
(2/18/01 10:52:00 am)
Reply Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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From their website:
Judicial Watch, Inc.
P.O. Box 44444
Washington, DC 20026
Tel: 888-JW-ETHIC
Fax: 202-646-5199
info@judicialwatch.org
Southwestern Regional Headquarters
1800 West Loop South
Suite 1800
Houston, Texas 77027
Tel: 713-850-7797
Fax: 713-850-8727
Southern Regional Headquarters
100 S.E. 2nd Street
Bank of America Tower
Suite 3920
Miami, FL 33131-2148
Tel: 305-349-2391
Fax: 305-374-9054
Western Regional Headquarters
2540 Huntington Drive
Suite 201
San Marino, CA 91108-2601
Tel: 626-287-4540
Fax: 626-237-2003
Life, Liberty, Property
Stranglehold
New Member
posts: 18
(2/20/01 11:14:31 am)
Reply Take a page from the Leftists
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When the Leftist Atheists wanted to attack the Christian Coalition, they simply flooded the phone banks with requests for written information.
The printed material and the postage costs money folks.
Get the idea yet?
"Sometimes you wanna get higher, sometimes you gotta start low, some people think they're gonna die someday...I got news, you never got to go."
Muleracer
Forum Host Paladin
posts: 7
(2/20/01 3:53:22 pm)
Reply Re: Take a page from the Leftists
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Well I aint sacred of NOTHIN.
Rhino
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posts: 657
(2/20/01 7:36:42 pm)
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Re: Take a page from the Leftists
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Methinks you misinterpret. Fear does not imply cowardice. If you do not fear a totalitarian government and what it could do to us, you aren't brave, you're foolish. As soon as our fear of such things is lost, we'll stop opposing them. As soon as we stop opposing them, we guarantee their arrival. You're damn right I fear such things! Does that make me a coward? Heh! You don't know me at all!
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"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has..." - Margaret Mead
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Gold Star Member
posts: 37
(2/16/01 7:56:13 am)
Reply
Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The time has come to get the wolves away from the door. We, as gun owners must band together to stop these people from assaulting our 2nd amendment rights. Time to go on the defensive. Here is what we need to do.
Legal firearms owners need to organize, collect funds and hit organization like Handgun Control, Gun Control Inc and others where it hurts, in the bank account. We must use the same tactics that have been using against gun manufacturers, costing them millions in the courts in litigation and attorney fees. Here is what I propose.
We must get legal help, set up class action lawsuits by people who have been shot, assaulted or have family that has been killed in areas like New York City that have taken their firearms from them unwillingly, and have had a crime perpetrated against them since this legislation took place.
I feel that if we can convince the courts that these organizations assume the responsibility of protecting the people they have disarmed, then we stand a chance of breaking their bank accounts and causing them to burn up needed funds to lobby for more legislation. If we can tie them up in the courts long enough, needed resources can be drained and these groups will cease to exist.
All municipal, state and county governments in these areas must also be included in these class action suits. It is time for the gun owners of America to get off the offensive and get on the defensive. It has clearly not worked being the nice guy in these affairs. We have to get as down and dirty as they are in order to defeat these organizations. These people are not the majority but just the opposite. They are few when compared to the millions of gun owners in this country, but, their advantage is they have a big mouth. This is how we must become to insure we keep our guns.
We need to get organized fast or we are all going to become just another victim. Any suggestion on how to begin? Any attorneys in here who agree? If so, now would you suggest we get started. If we accomplish nothing but breaking their finances, we have made a great step in breaking the organizations causing the trouble.
The Sonarman
Forum Host
posts: 268
(2/16/01 8:22:20 am)
Reply
Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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Suggestions? I have a couple.
It would be best to attack HCI from an existing group with a large membership already formed, especially one that is in contact (email, mailers, etc) with it's membership.
The NRA comes immediately to mind, given they have some 4+ million members.
Another, smaller organization is GOA, Gun Owners of America. GOA is much more "on the offense" against infringement of the second amendment. Now that I think of it, it would be fun to "force" the ACLU to assist, in defending our "civil rights".... one uses the lawyer buzz words when one has to.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
Yukon1
Gold Star Member
posts: 52
(2/16/01 8:24:19 am)
Reply Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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You guys really are getting scared. Makes me laugh !!!
Father Yukon
The Sonarman
Forum Host
posts: 270
(2/16/01 8:34:44 am)
Reply
Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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Some other thoughts.
We fight anti-gunners with their own weapons.... lawyers. We do not need "the other tools" of the would-be-oppressors. The anti-gunner fanatics use lies, deceit, fraud and violating the constitution.
We citizens of the USA were "left armed" as an "insurance policy" against a government becoming too oppressive and powerful. This was the founders intent and purpose. The secondary objective was to answer an invasion by a foreign aggressor (such as Great Britain at that time). However, the primary purpose was to give the citizen a "last ditch" defense against our own government becoming tyrannical.
We have seen the US government become tyrannical. Just look at the actions of Emperor Bill Clinton for the past eight years.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
Rhino
Forum Host
posts: 519
(2/16/01 8:50:21 am)
Reply
Re: Time To Break The Bank Accounts Of Anti-Gunners
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I posted a related thread the other day, but it got removed to another forum.
pub26.ezboard.com/fpoliti...D=90.topic
-----------------------------------------------------------
"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 233
(2/16/01 11:19:42 am)
Reply I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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"You guys really are getting scared." --Yukon1
I wonder what a criminal would answer to this question:
Excuse me, but would you rather I shoot you with my .25 automatic handgun, or shall I use my 30--the heck with that--my 10 gauge shotgun?
Edited by: Wolfcounsel at: 2/16/01 11:21:22 am
Maggie T
Forum Host
posts: 295
(2/16/01 11:36:09 am)
Reply
Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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Quote:
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"You guys really are getting scared. Makes me laugh!!" --Yukon1
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Of course. Laughter always abounds in the mouth of idiots.
Rhino
Forum Host
posts: 524
(2/16/01 12:21:21 pm)
Reply
Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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In a way, he's right.
We're afraid of being at the mercy of criminals.
We're afraid of being at the mercy of a dictatorial government.
We're afraid of being at the mercy of liberal despots.
We're afraid of seeing our freedom loving form of government vanish into oblivion.
Given the evidence at hand, experiences of countries that have already lost these freedoms, and past actions of the gun banners, do we really have something to be afraid of? OH BABY!!! You bet your ass we do!!!!!!
-----------------------------------------------------------
"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 236
(2/16/01 12:39:09 pm)
Reply Mens sana in corpore sano
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Padre, also remember that fear can be your friend. Are you afraid of getting mugged? Si o no?
TheOriginalJester
Gold Star Member
posts: 38
(2/16/01 2:51:29 pm)
Reply
Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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It must be terrible to be Canadian, Stupid and disarmed. Time for fear, suspicion and vigilance has passed for them. They blew it, allowed their government to take their freedoms and they now lavish themselves in the broth of ignorance, captivity and the knowledge of being beaten down ty the people they elected to watch over their rights.
EagleTed
Forum Host
posts: 140
(2/16/01 4:48:43 pm)
Reply Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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Larry Klayman's group, Judicial Review, has the
know how, and infrastructure in place to bring
lawsuits. Has anyone suggested they do something
like this?
We would have to beef up our contributions to
whichever group took the task on. But, I'm all
for it. Who wants to do a little more research
to see what we can come up with?
Life, Liberty, Property
TheOriginalJester
Gold Star Member
posts: 42
(2/17/01 6:21:44 am)
Reply
Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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No, but it seems to be a way to start. I have no contact info on them, can you help with that? I'll get the ball rolling if you can give me the contact information.
EagleTed
Forum Host
posts: 146
(2/18/01 10:52:00 am)
Reply Re: I just spilled my 10th cup of coffee!
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From their website:
Judicial Watch, Inc.
P.O. Box 44444
Washington, DC 20026
Tel: 888-JW-ETHIC
Fax: 202-646-5199
info@judicialwatch.org
Southwestern Regional Headquarters
1800 West Loop South
Suite 1800
Houston, Texas 77027
Tel: 713-850-7797
Fax: 713-850-8727
Southern Regional Headquarters
100 S.E. 2nd Street
Bank of America Tower
Suite 3920
Miami, FL 33131-2148
Tel: 305-349-2391
Fax: 305-374-9054
Western Regional Headquarters
2540 Huntington Drive
Suite 201
San Marino, CA 91108-2601
Tel: 626-287-4540
Fax: 626-237-2003
Life, Liberty, Property
Stranglehold
New Member
posts: 18
(2/20/01 11:14:31 am)
Reply Take a page from the Leftists
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When the Leftist Atheists wanted to attack the Christian Coalition, they simply flooded the phone banks with requests for written information.
The printed material and the postage costs money folks.
Get the idea yet?
"Sometimes you wanna get higher, sometimes you gotta start low, some people think they're gonna die someday...I got news, you never got to go."
Muleracer
Forum Host Paladin
posts: 7
(2/20/01 3:53:22 pm)
Reply Re: Take a page from the Leftists
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Well I aint sacred of NOTHIN.
Rhino
Forum Host
posts: 657
(2/20/01 7:36:42 pm)
Reply
Re: Take a page from the Leftists
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Methinks you misinterpret. Fear does not imply cowardice. If you do not fear a totalitarian government and what it could do to us, you aren't brave, you're foolish. As soon as our fear of such things is lost, we'll stop opposing them. As soon as we stop opposing them, we guarantee their arrival. You're damn right I fear such things! Does that make me a coward? Heh! You don't know me at all!
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has..." - Margaret Mead
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad