Victor Davis Hanson: They hate Bush for who he is, not for what he does

[Naturalized-Texan]

They hate Bush for who he is, not for what he does (http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200408130813.asp)

But what is not explicable in terms of rational disagreement is the Left's pathological hatred of George W. Bush. It transcends all contention over the issues, the Democratic hurt over the Florida elections, and even the animus once shown Bill Clinton by the activist Right. From where does this near-religious anger arise and what does it portend?

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Bush is a southerner, with a drawl — but not one who is either liberal or Democratic....

For the Left, Mr. Bush is automatically under a cloud of suspicion; he is an unapologetic twanger who likes guns, barbeques, NASCAR, "the ranch," and pick-up trucks. It matters little that George Bush's record on classical civil-rights issues is impeccable, without a hint of the deplorable racism of a younger Senator Byrd, a Lyndon Johnson, or an Al Gore Sr. Every statement Bush drawls out about religion, affirmative action, or abortion is forever suspect

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Similarly, Bush's Christianity seems evangelical and literal. It comes across as disturbing to liberals of the country who see religion as a mere social formality at best, useful for weddings and funerals, perhaps comforting at Christmas and Easter of course, but otherwise a potential threat to the full expression of lifestyle "choices."

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Critics accuse Mr. Bush of Manichaeism — of tough, black-and-white talk about good and evil. They are right. He certainly sounds different from the usual suburban moralist, especially in an age of irony, skepticism, and cynicism. Our era is dominated by pundits, professors, and journalists to whom hip nuance is everything.

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George Bush is a traitor of the most frightening sort to his class: He is not an ideological tribune like Roosevelt or Kennedy, but someone far worse, who seems to dislike the entire baggage of sophisticated, highbrow society. An Eastern blueblood who initially did all the right things — Prep School, the Ivy league, Skull and Bones — he then, accent and all, not only went back to rural Texas, but embraced a popular culture antithetical to the preppie, wonkish, aristocratic world of the East Coast elite.

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And there is a great danger in all these manifestations of pure hatred. We are in a war. And in these tumultuous days, the Left's unhinged odium will resonate with and embolden not only our enemies abroad, but also the deranged, dangerous folk here at home.

{More at the link above.}

[Estragon]

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Not long ago a Frenchman explained to me why he hates Bush, who "thinks linearly" and has no sense of the "problematique." Face it: We are now an information society, with a premium on talk, not action. To suggest that one need not be 100 percent certain — but perhaps only 60 percent certain — to act is deeply disturbing.

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Just so! The Eurotrash and the Americanadian left thrive upon an imagined complexity in all things. If something seems self-evident, this means to them that it must be deconstructed to introduce complications. They cannot abide any black or white; all must be portrayed in ever-nuanced shades of gray.

Their pathological need for a gray world stems from their own failure to adopt any rational or moral base. If there are no absolutes for the mind or the soul, it stands to reason there can be none in the worldly interactions of millions of minds and souls.

Of course, all that is piffle, and resolute leaders like Reagan and GWB rip through the gauzy curtains of doubt and proclaim truth - which is why they are hated by the left as a vampire hates sunlight and crucifixes.

[Ironicon]

Hi Naturalized-Texan!

I`m a NYC-citizen and though I`m generally in favor of the GOP I can`t quite agree with all of your aspects:

In my opinion the problem Bush will have to face in the election is that he has not only lost support in the USA, but also that we stand alone in nearly all foreign policy affairs - and voters begin to realize! Well, and this has its roots in what Bush and his administration did.

I`m not only talking about Iraq, but also about not signing the Kyoto-Environmental-Charta, quiting our Nuke-Ban-Contracts with Russia, not joining / recognising the International-Criminal-Court... too much unilaterism in that.

All these things left us isolated in the world - and of course had its climax Bush`s decicion to go war without an accepted alliance.

I`m pretty sure Bush is going to loose in November if he can`t manage to improve our parterships with formerly good friends.

This time it won`t be the classical conservative or liberal slogans that decide the election (like religion and family values on the on side and healthcare on the other for example) - this time it will be about foreign policy! And Kerry has advantages there...

What`s your opinion?

Greetings from New York,
DENNIS

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We don't stand alone in foreign policy affairs. We don't stand with Europe in foreign policy affairs, which is hardly the world.

This is not because of what Bush and the administration did, but because of what Americans ARE.

In everything, from foreign to domestic policy Europe wants us to be more like them, socialist. As long as we're not, they will continue to fault us for it.

[Estragon]

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I`m pretty sure Bush is going to loose in November if he can`t manage to improve our parterships with formerly good friends.



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Welcome to FC, Dennis!

Which "formerly good friends" do you speak of? France, who only has cooperated with us when it was in their interest to do so, and has been opposed to much of our policy since WWII? Germany, with whom we fought two World Wars, and protected through the Cold War, finally enabling its reunion?

I do agree that Kerry is the Euro-candidate. Personally, I want a President who will protect and advance American interests, without regard to the opinions of those who have their own agenda at heart.

[DoctorDoom]

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I`m a NYC-citizen and though I`m generally in favor of the GOP I can`t quite agree with all of your aspects:

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Oh, lawdy, another "I support the GOP, BUT..." troll. Why lie about it? You're just another kneejerk leftist, as every position you stated following the lie makes abundantly clear.

Go post at DUh. They like your kind of "thinking".

[Naturalized-Texan]

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Hi Naturalized-Texan!

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Welcome aboard.

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I`m a NYC-citizen and though I`m generally in favor of the GOP I can`t quite agree with all of your aspects:

In my opinion the problem Bush will have to face in the election is that he has not only lost support in the USA, but also that we stand alone in nearly all foreign policy affairs - and voters begin to realize! Well, and this has its roots in what Bush and his administration did.

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What I posted was not mine, but Victor Davis Hanson's. However, there is no doubt that he is correct.

President Bush has NOT lost support in the USA. It's highly likely that he will get 55% of the popular vote in the November - a landslide by any measure.

We do not stand alone in foreign policy affairs - our Iraq coalition consisted of more than 40 nations and we had the unanimous support of the UN Security Council to prusue the Iraq operation in the War on Terrorism, even though we didn't need that support to defend our nation from attack.

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I`m not only talking about Iraq, but also about not signing the Kyoto-Environmental-Charta, quiting our Nuke-Ban-Contracts with Russia, not joining / recognising the International-Criminal-Court... too much unilaterism in that.

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The Kyoto Treaty would have killed our economy for no measurable gain. Bush was right in rescinding it. Moreover, the Kyoto Treaty was based on the false premise that global warming is caused by human activities. There is no scientific evidence that that is the case. The warming we have experienced in the past 100+ years is nothing more than the natural recovery from the 400-year Little Ice Age that ended in the late 19th Century.

I don't know what you mean by the "Nuke-Ban-Contracts with Russia." Under President Bush the US reached an agreement with Russia and Ukraine to significantly reduce the numbers of nuclear warheads.

I suspect that you are referring to the ABM Treaty that the U.S. had with the Soviet Union. That treaty was null and void because the Soviet Union no longer exists. Moreover, we badly needed the anti-missile system that is now being deployed because of nuclear missile threats from China and N. Korea where our west coast is within range of nuclear missiles from both of those regimes.

President Bush rejected the International Criminal Court because it would violate the U.S. Constitution and it would illegally subject our troops to charges of war crimes.

BTW, based on your spelling of the word "recognising" I doubt that you are an American. Or maybe you just can't spell when I see the word
"decicion" below meaning that you may very well be from NYC.


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All these things left us isolated in the world - and of course had its climax Bush`s decicion to go war without an accepted alliance.

I`m pretty sure Bush is going to loose in November if he can`t manage to improve our parterships with formerly good friends.

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It's nothing but liberal Big Lie Propaganda that we are isolated in the world, as I pointed out above and Bush will win handily in November.

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This time it won`t be the classical conservative or liberal slogans that decide the election (like religion and family values on the on side and healthcare on the other for example) - this time it will be about foreign policy! And Kerry has advantages there...

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Kerry has no advantages anywhere. He is a liar. He would surrender to the terrorists when we are winning the War on Terrorism under President Bush. He would destroy the economy by raising taxes - after all, 3 million more Americans are employed today than when President Bush took office, thanks to the Bush tax cuts.

President Bush has a solid advantage on every issue that counts with the American people.

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What`s your opinion?

Greetings from New York,
DENNIS

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You got my opinion and the facts, but I'll post some more later.

[Naturalized-Texan]

In the War on Terrorism we are experiencing an unprecedented situation in which the President of the United States is conducting a war in which the very survival of our nation is at stake, yet his opponent, most of the leadership of the Democrat Party, and most of the media oppose the war, at best, or sympathize with the enemy, at worst.

Since the World War II Memorial was recently dedicated, it's worthwhile to compare the similarities and the differences between U.S. involvement in World War II and in our current War on Terrorism.

- Our involvement in World War II began on December 7, 1941, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor with the loss of nearly 3,000 Americans. The War on Terrorism began on September 11, 2001, with the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and the downing of a terrorist-controlled plane in Pennsylvania with the loss of nearly 3,000 Americans.

- Following the Pearl Harbor attack, every American, Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative, united behind President Roosevelt to defeat the enemy. Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, every American, Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative, united behind President Bush to defeat the enemy.

- The unanimous support of President Roosevelt (and of President Truman, after Roosevelt's death) lasted throughout the duration of the war. Unfortunately, the support of the War on Terrorism by Bush's opponent, most of the Democrat leadership, and most of the media ended about six weeks after the 9/11 attacks when they complained that we were bogged down in a Vietnam-type "quagmire" in Afghanistan and they reminded everyone that the Soviet Union got bogged down there for 8 years and were finally driven out.

- Enthusiastic support for President Roosevelt's war efforts lasted through tough campaigns in North Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, Germany, Midway, Guadalcanal, New Guinea, Bougainville, the Philipines, Tarawa, Saipan, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc., etc. Unfortunately, Bush's opponent, most of the Democrat leaders, and most of the media pretend that Operation Iraqi Freedom was not part of the War on Terrorism and we hear nothing but incessant carping and sniping against President Bush for "abandoning the War on Terrorism" that they had already quit supporting before the Afghanistan operation had even been completed. The fact is that Operation Iraqi Freedom was every bit as much an integral part of the War on Terrorism as all of those campaigns listed above were integral parts of World War II.

Following the Pearl Harbor attack and throughout World War II, no one would have even thought to ask President Roosevelt or President Truman or Secretary Hull or Secretary Stettinius or Secretary Stimson or Secretary Knox or Secretary Forrestall or Secretary Morganthau questions like: 1) How long will this war last? or 2) How much will it cost? The American people were united and were willing to bear any burden to win the war, no matter what the cost. In stark contrast, following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, President Bush's opponent, most of the leadership of the Democrat Party, and most of the media started to ask those questions of President Bush, Secretary Rumsfeld and Secretary O'Neill before the smoke even cleared from the ruins of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and continue to ask those questions to this day with Secretary Snow replacing Secretary O'Neill. Such questions are irrelevant because, following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, we should be willing to bear any burden, no matter the cost, to win the War on Terrorism and keep America and the world safe from terrorist attacks.

- Even during the Battle of the Bulge, the last gasp of a defeated enemy, support for President Roosevelt's war effort did not wane. In the War on Terrorism, we are now experiencing the last gasp of a defeated enemy in Iraq, but all we are hearing from Bush's opponent, most of the Democrat leadership, and most of the media are cries of "bring our troops home" or "a Vietnam-type 'quagmire'" (again!) or even wishes for a terrorist victory and false claims that the people of Iraq were better off under Saddam.

The incessant carping and sniping of Bush's opponent, most of the Democrat leadership, and most of the media against the War on Terrorism has emboldened the terrorists to step up their last-gasp terrorist attacks in Iraq resulting in the needless deaths of hundreds of American troops and thousands of innocent Iraqis.

It's way past time for the American people, Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, to unite again, as we were during World War II and immediately following the 9/11 attacks, to support our troops and to win the War on Terrorism.

[Wyatt_Junker]

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I`m not only talking about Iraq, but also about not signing the Kyoto-Environmental-Charta, quiting our Nuke-Ban-Contracts with Russia, not joining / recognising the International-Criminal-Court... too much unilaterism in that.


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HAHAHAHA!

Good one!

[Estragon]

It is rather odd that a guy "generally in favor of the GOP" seems to be against the GOP position on every single issue he mentions . . .

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I`m a NYC-citizen and though I`m generally in favor of the GOP I can`t quite agree with all of your aspects:

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Oh, lawdy, another "I support the GOP, BUT..." troll. Why lie about it? You're just another kneejerk leftist, as every position you stated following the lie makes abundantly clear.

Go post at DUh. They like your kind of "thinking".

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ditto

[Ironicon]

Hi,

well I guess I "flip-flopped" a little too much in my first statement - sorry for that, folks :-)

To avoid any misunderstandings: I`m absolutely not easy at all with Kerry, I`ve never voted for democrats, and I`m very proud, that the GOP choose to come to my city for their convention!

I just wanted you to realize that there is a problem we have to discuss when we want talk about the election AND foreign policy!

Bush will have to normalize our tense relationships with good partners - and yes, I believe, that especially Germany and France are countries we should not underestimate - just think about all the TRADE that is going on between America and Europe! Europeans are our strongest partners on this planet and we should be very careful ignoring them and risking alliances in defense and trade that worked well over the past 50 years.

Geore Bush did a great job a few weeks ago in Georgia at the G8-Convention and I`m pretty confident that this helped to stabilize foreign-policy! But there is still work to do - and the President should also emphasize that he is indeed competent managing our interests with all our friends.

If America likes it or not: without partners like Germany or France in the fight against terrorism, our forces would have to work far beyond their capacity:

- most of the peace-keeping in Afghanistan is managed by German troops
- European battleships control the sea-routes around Africa to make sure that the logistics for oil are safe and do not become target of terrorists
- the English government still is on our side and joined us in getting rid of Saddam - though a majority of the British citizen stood against it!

It is our very own interst that we have prospering relationships with Europe and Europeans - we should not risk them just because they had a different opinion on Iraq. The fight against terrorism can`t be won alone and won`t be fought alone! If Bush would mention that during his campaingn, many voters who see that problem could be conviced that the GOP is the one to lead us to stabilty and success!

DENNIS

[DoctorDoom]

When you cite the whole laundry list of liberal "concerns"—Kyoto, the ICC, America's foreign "image", etc.—don't expect to be welcomed with open arms at a BB called FreeConservatives.com.

You claim to be a Republican. So do Collins and Chafee and Snowe and Specter. So did Jumping Jim Jeffords. You'll have to do better than that.

[Ironicon]

Being conservative means more than just clicking the heels whenever the Potus calls!

To me it is a matter of sanity being conservative - and that does include having an sane opinion on ALL the affairs that effect our lives!

We live in a free country and it is our duty to question and challenge those in charge.

To me our foreign image is important as this is directly related to the level of security in our country.

To me the environment is important (maybe more to a NYC-citizen than to somebody from rural areas who can easily enjoy healthy air and water conditions).

There are great people in the Grand Old Party sharing these views and I`m happy seeing them controlling the most important political institutions in our great country!

It`s way to easy just defining "conservative" as the opposite of liberal, Doctor!

[DoctorDoom]

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Being conservative means more than just clicking the heels whenever the Potus calls!

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It's NOT blindly subscribing to every harebrained leftist notion that comes down the pike.

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To me it is a matter of sanity being conservative - and that does include having an sane opinion on ALL the affairs that effect our lives!

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The TRUE conservative bases his opinions on FACTS, not on spin or junk science.

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We live in a free country and it is our duty to question and challenge those in charge.

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Blind obedience is unacceptable. Blind opposition is also unacceptable. And, questioning and challenging for no other purpose than to question and challenge is an idiot's game. Or a troll's.

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To me our foreign image is important as this is directly related to the level of security in our country.

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The issue, liberal, is what you are willing to do in order to "improve" our "foreign image". If it means sucking up to fair-weather allies, the cost is too high. If it means waging a "sensitive" war on terrorism, the cost is too high. If it means compromising with evil for the sake of being popular, the cost is infinitely too high.

The world is full of envy-obsessed or religion-incited assholes who detest this country and everything that it represents. IMO, they can all go perform biologically improbable sexual acts on themselves. It's absurd to kiss their asses in a futile attempt to buy their feigned approval. The one thing that a world-leading nation needs is the respect engendered by fear. I don't give a shit whether the pissants love us or hate us, as long as they have an abiding horror of the consequences of screwing with us.

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To me the environment is important (maybe more to a NYC-citizen than to somebody from rural areas who can easily enjoy healthy air and water conditions).

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Inasmuch as we all live on the same planet (excepting our alien lurkers), we are all affected by the environment. The difference is whether the environmental concerns are founded on logical, scientifically sound reasoning or on the harum-scarum of leftist agitators whose technical expertise ends at knowing how to change the batteries in the remote. The "environmental movement" is the playground of the latter, upper-middle-class zealots with entirely too much free time to go around spreading their Gaia bullshit and decrying the fates of bugs and weeds.

I am an environmentalist in that I live in the environment and want it to be as healthy as can be REASONABLY achieved. The ecowackos are ideologues attempting to destroy America's greatness and power in favor of an insane vision of a utopia of subsistence living and non-existent energy resources.

As an environmentalist, I support a massive recommitment to nuclear power for base-load generation. It should replace ALL fossil-fuel plants, oil, gas and coal. Furthermore, I support breeder reactor technology, which could extend our existing resources of nuclear fuel for hundreds of years, far more than enough time for the building of commercially viable fusion plants, if not a Dyson sphere to capture more energy from the sun than our species could ever use.

I support wind, solar and other "alternatives" where they are practical, i.e., point-of-use generation. They will NEVER contribute any substantial amount to the base-load needs.

The intention should be to eliminate fossil fuels from the power supply, especially coal, which results in over 20,000 deaths per year from pollution, and pumps more radiation into the air than all the nukes combined. Fossil fuels have far too many non-electrical uses to waste them boiling water to spin turbines to generate electricity to run TVs so that brainless lard-asses can watch "Survivor" and sitcoms.

Nuclear energy is clean, safe, and potentially limitless. It should be the environmentalists' first choice. Unfortunately, the anti-everything assholes don't want abundant energy, no matter how ecologically benign it is. They want woefully inadequate power so that they can dictate who gets it and how it can be used.

They should all be shot.

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There are great people in the Grand Old Party sharing these views...

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Yep, there are indeed RINOs.

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... and I`m happy seeing them controlling the most important political institutions in our great country!

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I'm not. They're selling us out.

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It`s way to easy just defining "conservative" as the opposite of liberal, Doctor!

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Tell that to the liberals, to whom the only Absolute Truth is that they are good and conservatives are evil. There ARE black-and-white issues. Liberalism vs conservatism, especially in the modern world, is one of them.

[Naturalized-Texan]

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[Chris]

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[Wyatt_Junker]

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[Ironicon]

Well, I`d rather see people you call RINOs in charge, than those that are called "eagles".

I say kick Cheney off the ticket and let McCain (a true vet and hero) replace him! Get rid of Rumsfeld - he is the one to blame for all that bullshit that happend in the Iraqi prisons and in GuantanamoBay. Even the conservative judges at the Supreme Court say, that our POWs in Guantanamo do have rights! We are a sophisticated nation and we do not need a Secretary of Defense who violates conventions other (conservative) politicians have negotiated! Condi Rice would be the absolutely perfect person for his job!

And now my all time favorite: ASHCROFT - nobody else has more shamelessly than him raped our CONSTITUTION! I get sick and tired whenever I go somewhere and see a sign saying: "Please obey that your data can be subject to check - PATRIOTACT XII"

Maybe we all live in the same environment - but you don`t all live in New York City - this place was attacked - not Americas beautiful heartland. Our politicians should be invited when homeland security is discussed. Sometimes I really feel pissed, when I zap through the networks and see a filthy bastard with a southerners` accent elevating the security level for my nice neighbourhood to orange.

If it was Mayor Mike Bloomberg who tells me to be careful when I board a plane, I would listen! But you have no idea how sickening it is to step out of the door and the first think you see is a heavily armed security guy with black sunglasses and an armored suit - this is silly! What is this guy going to do, when Bin Laden decides to crash a plane in the Empire-State-Building? Just looking cool with his semi-automatic rifle and his Ray Ban?!

This whole city has gone completely banana on security issues: A few weeks ago I was invited to a city council commision to lecure about the progress of biotech-businesses in Manhatten - I needed two I.Ds., was searched for weapons, my bag was x-rayed (they still got my metal pen) and then they sayed they needed to do a biometric-facial scan. That was the point where I just turned with a friendly "dammit". Half an hour later my mobilephone rang and they wanted to know where I was staying - I told them the story and that I was not willing to have a facial scan performed on me. And you won`t believe it: They got my point! We were meeting again and they didn`t even sniff through my bag! I mean - what is the sense of a facial scan; isn`t it enough that they search me for weapons? No weapons - ok, you may pass.

After 9/11 New York has become a scared city - oh no, not its citizen are scared - but the entire rest of the US is making us the hometown of scare.

I hope that this will end when we finally catch Bin Laden - and the most improtant reason for me to vote for Bush in november is that I believe BUSH IS REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING BIN LADEN!

I live only one block away from ground zero (unfortunately also only one block away from Mike Moore, who gets his coffee at the same Starbucks I get mine). I was not in the city on 9/11/2001 - I was in Madrid on a convention when I heart about the attacks. Of course I (and other 14 colleagues from New York) wanted to get home as soon as possible, but all the flights were cancelled. On sept. 13. we were able to charter a learjet that got us to Atlanta ($ 4.833 per person), there I rented a car and speeded to New York (car: $ 189, speeding ticket: 75 $). When I arrived on 9/14 I was in shock, New York was in shock. I couldn`t believe that the Twin Towers acutally vanished until I saw the wounded skyline of my city. It was even worse when I got into my appartment - dust and dirt everywhere - though all the windows were closed there was not one single clean spot left in the entire appartment - i had to have a complete renovation and several new furniture ($ 19.000).

I know that all that finacial loss (for which no insurance paid) is absolutely nothing compared to the loss of the 4.000 lives and thought I was also lucky not to loose any friend in the attacks I felt bitter hate for Bin Laden. I can`t wait till we got him - but before we hang him high on a tree on the ranch of Dubya and let him taste American jusitce, I and many other wish to sue this bastard for compensation - there are great lawyers in New York who have everything prepared for this day; we are ready!

Till then I hope Bush will do some changes in his administration and replace those fithy guys who abuse New York and its citizen for their own political advantage!

We were attacked - let us and our politicians decide how we handle with this!

DENNIS

[Ironicon]

Uhm, sorry for some spelling mistakes - when I get angry concentracion slips... :-)

[Chris]

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Sometimes I really feel pissed, when I zap through the networks and see a filthy bastard with a southerners` accent elevating the security level for my nice neighbourhood to orange.

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[DoctorDoom]

Well, that didn't take long. The leftie exposed himself in 13 posts.

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Well, I`d rather see people you call RINOs in charge, than those that are called "eagles".

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No doubt you would. That way you leftists could sell out the USofA much more easily.

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I say kick Cheney off the ticket and let McCain (a true vet and hero) replace him!

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Sorry, but we don't do requests. Cheney is on a roll, and he's just the man we need for the veep.

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Get rid of Rumsfeld - he is the one to blame for all that bullshit that happend in the Iraqi prisons...

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... and in GuantanamoBay.

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Perhaps we should do what the camel-****ers do: behead the prisoners. The bastards at Gitmo are being far better treated that the Arabs treat their prisoners.

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Even the conservative judges at the Supreme Court say, that our POWs in Guantanamo do have rights!

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We've seen what the "conservative" SCOTUS judges say. As for the towel-heads in Gitmo, screw them. They are they because they are murdering, hate-obsessed barbarians. They are treated far better than they deserve. They should be lined up against a wall and machine-gunned for target practice.

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We are a sophisticated nation and we do not need a Secretary of Defense who violates conventions other (conservative) politicians have negotiated!

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Our enemies shit on the Geneva Conventions, or hadn't you noticed? Our side is crippled by them because of that fact. The Marquis of Queensbury rules do not apply to street fighting.

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Condi Rice would be the absolutely perfect person for his job!

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Probably, but we already have an excellent Secretary of Defense.

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And now my all time favorite: ASHCROFT - nobody else has more shamelessly than him raped our CONSTITUTION!

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You're so full of it that your pupils look like sightglasses in the Hershey factory. You lefties have a hard-on for him because he doesn't suck up to your demands. He's doing an almost infinitely better job than el Reño.

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I get sick and tired whenever I go somewhere and see a sign saying: "Please obey that your data can be subject to check - PATRIOTACT XII"

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Must be in the NYC public schools. No literate person uses that sort of tortured English.

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Maybe we all live in the same environment - but you don`t all live in New York City...

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Thank God for that great favor. The place is a moral sewer infested with liberal RATs. Nuking it would be considered urban renewal.

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... this place was attacked - not Americas beautiful heartland.

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NO SHIT!!!!! What an eye-opener THAT is! Thank you! All this time I had been thinking that the WTC was in Podunk Holler, Arkansas.

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Our politicians should be invited when homeland security is discussed.

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Why, yes, they should. They can take a tour of Ground Zero and be convinced that the only correct response to al Qaeda's terrorism is to suck bin Laden's goat-raping dick on Al Jazeera primetime, so that he'll be nice to us.

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Sometimes I really feel pissed, when I zap through the networks and see a filthy bastard with a southerners` accent elevating the security level for my nice neighbourhood to orange.

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Keep digging the pit, bigot. You'll strike magma before long.

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If it was Mayor Mike Bloomberg who tells me to be careful when I board a plane, I would listen!

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Why would he do that? Is that his job?

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But you have no idea how sickening it is to step out of the door and the first think you see is a heavily armed security guy with black sunglasses and an armored suit - this is silly!

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He's there because it's what he's paid to do. Ever fly on El Al? Our security is equivalent to the Wal*Mart greeters in comparison.

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What is this guy going to do, when Bin Laden decides to crash a plane in the Empire-State-Building? Just looking cool with his semi-automatic rifle and his Ray Ban?!

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His job, clueless one, is to PREVENT that from happening by keeping the badasses off of the planes in the first place. If he shoves the muzzle of his M-16 up your ass and tells you to whistle "Dixie", then you have a complaint.

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This whole city has gone completely banana on security issues:

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Let's see now. You're bitching about being targeted by muzzie murderers on 9-11, and now you're bitching about security precautions in NYC. Your consistency is breathtaking. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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A few weeks ago I was invited to a city council commision to lecure about the progress of biotech-businesses in Manhatten...

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Ah, yes, I remember that conference. I was there on behalf of the Latverian Bioscience Institute.

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I needed two I.Ds., was searched for weapons, my bag was x-rayed (they still got my metal pen) and then they sayed they needed to do a biometric-facial scan. That was the point where I just turned with a friendly "dammit".

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Would you rather be in there with some raghead homicide bomber who breezed through the checkpoint?

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After 9/11 New York has become a scared city - oh no, not its citizen are scared - but the entire rest of the US is making us the hometown of scare.

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I wouldn't go to that sewer BEFORE 9-11. I sure as hell won't go there now. Let's face it, dude. You're the prime target. 8 million victims and all it takes is a Lear with a nuke.

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I hope that this will end when we finally catch Bin Laden - and the most improtant reason for me to vote for Bush in november is that I believe BUSH IS REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING BIN LADEN!

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Hmmm... a point I can agree with... that's one in a row.

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I live only one block away from ground zero (unfortunately also only one block away from Mike Moore, who gets his coffee at the same Starbucks I get mine). I was not in the city on 9/11/2001 - I was in Madrid on a convention when I heart about the attacks. Of course I (and other 14 colleagues from New York) wanted to get home as soon as possible, but all the flights were cancelled. On sept. 13. we were able to charter a learjet that got us to Atlanta ($ 4.833 per person), there I rented a car and speeded to New York (car: $ 189, speeding ticket: 75 $). When I arrived on 9/14 I was in shock, New York was in shock. I couldn`t believe that the Twin Towers acutally vanished until I saw the wounded skyline of my city. It was even worse when I got into my appartment - dust and dirt everywhere - though all the windows were closed there was not one single clean spot left in the entire appartment - i had to have a complete renovation and several new furniture ($ 19.000).

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Out of curiosity, what's your country of origin? The format "$ 19<u>.</u>000" is not American.

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I know that all that finacial loss (for which no insurance paid) is absolutely nothing compared to the loss of the 4.000 lives and thought I was also lucky not to loose any friend in the attacks I felt bitter hate for Bin Laden. I can`t wait till we got him - but before we hang him high on a tree on the ranch of Dubya and let him taste American jusitce, I and many other wish to sue this bastard for compensation - there are great lawyers in New York who have everything prepared for this day; we are ready!

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Two in a row. However, if he's not already dead, he won't be taken alive. Forget that idea.

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Till then I hope Bush will do some changes in his administration and replace those fithy guys who abuse New York and its citizen for their own political advantage!

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Now you blew away that precious moment of rapport. The people in President Bush's administration are competent and effective. Only the enemies of the country want them removed.

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We were attacked - let us and our politicians decide how we handle with this!

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Would those be the politicians who rendered NYC's citizens defenseless by banning private ownership of firearms so that only cops and criminals have guns?

Terrorism isn't a New York City issue. It's a US issue.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Ironicon is a troll. Get out the /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/trollhook.gif

[Maggie_T]

And not a very original one, either. His posts look like a cc of Tlaloc's, 21st's, etc. You read one, you read them all.

Movin on.

[Ironicon]

Don`t you call me "leftie", DrDoom - if Kerry wins in november, this country has a severe problem! Bin Laden and his bunch of terrorists will see their chance and strike again, if we dare to vote for a weak democrat - heck, Hillary has more nuts than this guy, right?!

It will take some time, but in the end Bush will succeed over the evils terrorism and Bin Laden will pay for what he did to me and thousands of other Americans.

You know that nice song by Joe Cocker "first we take Manhatten, then we take Berlin"? - playing the guitar I had a great idea for a new text that fits better: "first they raped Manhatten, now we rape islam".

But we need to worry that we don`t rape ourselves in the end! That would make terrorists laugh at us!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Dr. Doom called it correctly. When you parrot every leftist cliche in the book, you expose yourself as a lefty /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/trollhook.gif