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03-09-2001, 04:23 PM
Texas Lee
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(2/15/01 1:37:29 pm)
Reply Gun Control via ammunition tax.....(Maryland)
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MARYLAND WILL ELIMINATE GUNS VIA BULLET TAX:
Yukon1
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(2/15/01 4:02:44 pm)
Reply Re: Gun Control via ammunition tax.....(Maryland)
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As they should. Yukon has been lobbying for a $10.00 per bullet tax for several years. Someone finally listened to his wisdom.
Father Yukon
The RANDy Corporation
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(2/15/01 4:12:47 pm)
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Welcom
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Texas Lee: Welcome to Warlady's board.
Re your post: do you have a link to the ammunition tax story? I'd like to check it out.
Yukon1: The power to tax is the power to destroy, as you know. I wonder how you will feel after you're mugged for the first time. Can you admit to being able to have a different perspective?
------------ Joshua 24:15
Rhino
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(2/15/01 4:18:03 pm)
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So rich folks can now get something poor folks can't, huh? Is this the height of hypocrisy from the liberals or what?
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Keith J
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(2/15/01 4:33:46 pm)
Reply Re: Welcom
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Note to self: When visiting MD, bring ammo for illicit, tailgate sales. With ammo expensive, I can make a profit selling commercial ammo...If its good for the Kennedys, its good for the Crash Man. I might be able to lose the R and become the Cash Man....
The Sonarman
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(2/15/01 5:36:39 pm)
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Keith J,
You forgot to make a note about "incredible markup" on your investment. :-)
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
Wolfcounsel
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(2/15/01 6:17:18 pm)
Reply For Yukon.........
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Padre, don't run off again. I'll ask you again, and please answer honestly.
You wake up in the middle of the night because you think there is an intruder lurking around downstairs. You call the police and your line is dead. Your cellular just went kaput. You have no way to get out of the house because you have nailed your window in a special way to keep burglars out, and in a fire, you could break the glass to get out safely, but breaking the glass at this time would probably bring the intruder into your room with possibly guns blazing in your direction. You have children in another room also.
What do you suggest doing?
And, if you do not answer, then how can anybody take your bullet tax seriously, heh heh.
PaulRevere98999
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posts: 111
(2/15/01 6:31:11 pm)
Reply Re: Welcom
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Keith:
Don't waste your effort. MD is a skinny little state adjacent to four others. Any hostage of coercive MD laws can pick up cheap ammo next time they cross the state line. You can't tell me WV or VA will tax ammo anytime soon.
As Pat Paulson, comedian and Presidential candidate in 1968, said, "Guns don't kill people - bullets kill people."
WarLady1
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(2/15/01 6:31:23 pm)
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Re: For Yukon.........
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Doesn't an excessive ammo tax fall under the category of the 2nd Amendment's "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed"? Sure as hell sounds like infringement to me.
"The Founders warned us that freedom requires constant vigilance, and repeated action. It’s said that, when asked what sort of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin replied that they had given us "A Republic, if you can keep it." Today, as in the past, we will need a brave "civic virtue," not a timid civility, to keep our republic. So, this evening, I leave you with the simple exhortation: Be not afraid." --- Justice Clarence Thomas - American Enterprise Institute Lecture - February 13, 2001
WarLady1
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(2/15/01 6:32:22 pm)
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Re: Gun Control via ammunition tax.....(Maryland)
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Texas Lee welcome to the forum
"The Founders warned us that freedom requires constant vigilance, and repeated action. It’s said that, when asked what sort of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin replied that they had given us "A Republic, if you can keep it." Today, as in the past, we will need a brave "civic virtue," not a timid civility, to keep our republic. So, this evening, I leave you with the simple exhortation: Be not afraid." --- Justice Clarence Thomas - American Enterprise Institute Lecture - February 13, 2001
EagleTed
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posts: 133
(2/15/01 6:34:31 pm)
Reply Gun Control
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Rhino,
This site: www.nvcdl.org/racist.htm (http://www.nvcdl.org/racist.htm)
may offer some explanation as to the Left's
motives.
Life, Liberty, Property
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 224
(2/15/01 6:43:50 pm)
Reply No trick qustion
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Did I make the hypothetical situation too difficult, Padre? I await your reply anxiously.
Yukon1
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posts: 31
(2/15/01 7:32:34 pm)
Reply Re: No trick qustion
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WOLF,
Not difficult at all. I guess I'd be in one helluva position. What would I do? To be quire honest I really don't know.
Father Yukon
Rhino
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posts: 499
(2/15/01 7:38:21 pm)
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Re: No trick qustion
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Excellent article Ted. Thanks!
Warlady, I think this would actually fall under the commerce clause, as it is an attempt to do nothing more than limit sales. Legal eagles, help me out here. Would this not be similar to the lawsuits recently dismissed against gun manufacturers because the courts ruled they were nothing more than an attempt to achieve a ban monetarily that could not be done legislatively, and was therefore a violation of the commerce clause?
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"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Jesse Lackman
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posts: 52
(2/15/01 8:01:55 pm)
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Re: No trick qustion
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"WOLF,
Not difficult at all. I guess I'd be in one helluva position. What would I do? To be quire honest I really don't know.
Father Yukon"
I could like you Yukon. You remind me of what my dad told us kids,"What you don't know won't hurt you, it will kill you"
I have asked my myself and my family the question you were asked. If I were being assaulted my family would rather have me kill the criminal than have the criminal kill me. And I would rather kill a criminal assaulting my family than have the criminal kill or assault my family. Imagine how you would feel if any of your family was assaulted and you did nothing to stop it. I would find that very hard to live with. Now true the chances of actually being assaulted might be slim, but why not be prepared. And this type of preparation is not paranoia.
I read somewhere and have been trying to find it again that oover 60% of people in gun free (ya right) England will face assault during their lifetime.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it is wrong!
Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 225
(2/15/01 10:51:46 pm)
Reply A matter of life
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I just got back, and thanks, Padre, for the reply. All I can say about the intruder situation is if there are going to be dead bodies, it is better that the bodies belong to the intruders. Of course, you need overwhelming force to protect yourself and your family. The firearm is the best equalizer.
Better to be judged by twelve than to be buried by six.
Yukon1
Gold Star Member
posts: 44
(2/16/01 7:28:42 am)
Reply Re: A matter of life
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WOLF,
In the hypothetical situation you described you never put a gun into the equation. Given the circumstances you posed if I had a gun I would, of course, USE IT. There would be a few "dead brothers" in my front room.
Father Yukon
Rhino
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posts: 516
(2/16/01 7:48:19 am)
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He never mentioned "brothers" Yukon. A little racism creeping through there maybe?
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"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Yukon1
Gold Star Member
posts: 50
(2/16/01 8:16:22 am)
Reply Re: A matter of life
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All of mankind are my "brothers" Rhino - even you !
Father Yukon
Wolfcounsel
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posts: 234
(2/16/01 11:30:45 am)
Reply Criminals beware.
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"In the hypothetical situation you described you never put a gun into the equation." --Yukon1
That was coming. I was going to ask if, given a choice between a baseball bat and a .45 automatic, you would choose the gun.
Hottjohn
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posts: 68
(2/16/01 1:42:30 pm)
Reply Re: Criminals beware.
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Ultimately we will all become handloaders in order to own inexpensive ammunition. Not only is it less expensive, it is fun, it is educational, it is safe, and your loads are more accurate. Until then, just get your cheap ammunition at www.ammoman.com. (http://www.ammoman.com.) Not taxes, no shipping charges, fast delivery. What a country.
New Member
posts: 1
(2/15/01 1:37:29 pm)
Reply Gun Control via ammunition tax.....(Maryland)
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MARYLAND WILL ELIMINATE GUNS VIA BULLET TAX:
Yukon1
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posts: 22
(2/15/01 4:02:44 pm)
Reply Re: Gun Control via ammunition tax.....(Maryland)
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As they should. Yukon has been lobbying for a $10.00 per bullet tax for several years. Someone finally listened to his wisdom.
Father Yukon
The RANDy Corporation
Forum Host
posts: 255
(2/15/01 4:12:47 pm)
Reply
Welcom
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Texas Lee: Welcome to Warlady's board.
Re your post: do you have a link to the ammunition tax story? I'd like to check it out.
Yukon1: The power to tax is the power to destroy, as you know. I wonder how you will feel after you're mugged for the first time. Can you admit to being able to have a different perspective?
------------ Joshua 24:15
Rhino
Forum Host
posts: 490
(2/15/01 4:18:03 pm)
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Re: Welcom
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So rich folks can now get something poor folks can't, huh? Is this the height of hypocrisy from the liberals or what?
-----------------------------------------------------------
"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Keith J
Forum Host
posts: 291
(2/15/01 4:33:46 pm)
Reply Re: Welcom
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Note to self: When visiting MD, bring ammo for illicit, tailgate sales. With ammo expensive, I can make a profit selling commercial ammo...If its good for the Kennedys, its good for the Crash Man. I might be able to lose the R and become the Cash Man....
The Sonarman
Forum Host
posts: 263
(2/15/01 5:36:39 pm)
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Re: Welcom
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Keith J,
You forgot to make a note about "incredible markup" on your investment. :-)
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 223
(2/15/01 6:17:18 pm)
Reply For Yukon.........
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Padre, don't run off again. I'll ask you again, and please answer honestly.
You wake up in the middle of the night because you think there is an intruder lurking around downstairs. You call the police and your line is dead. Your cellular just went kaput. You have no way to get out of the house because you have nailed your window in a special way to keep burglars out, and in a fire, you could break the glass to get out safely, but breaking the glass at this time would probably bring the intruder into your room with possibly guns blazing in your direction. You have children in another room also.
What do you suggest doing?
And, if you do not answer, then how can anybody take your bullet tax seriously, heh heh.
PaulRevere98999
Gold Star Member
posts: 111
(2/15/01 6:31:11 pm)
Reply Re: Welcom
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Keith:
Don't waste your effort. MD is a skinny little state adjacent to four others. Any hostage of coercive MD laws can pick up cheap ammo next time they cross the state line. You can't tell me WV or VA will tax ammo anytime soon.
As Pat Paulson, comedian and Presidential candidate in 1968, said, "Guns don't kill people - bullets kill people."
WarLady1
Owner/ezOP/Moderator
posts: 1728
(2/15/01 6:31:23 pm)
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Re: For Yukon.........
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Doesn't an excessive ammo tax fall under the category of the 2nd Amendment's "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed"? Sure as hell sounds like infringement to me.
"The Founders warned us that freedom requires constant vigilance, and repeated action. It’s said that, when asked what sort of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin replied that they had given us "A Republic, if you can keep it." Today, as in the past, we will need a brave "civic virtue," not a timid civility, to keep our republic. So, this evening, I leave you with the simple exhortation: Be not afraid." --- Justice Clarence Thomas - American Enterprise Institute Lecture - February 13, 2001
WarLady1
Owner/ezOP/Moderator
posts: 1729
(2/15/01 6:32:22 pm)
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Re: Gun Control via ammunition tax.....(Maryland)
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Texas Lee welcome to the forum
"The Founders warned us that freedom requires constant vigilance, and repeated action. It’s said that, when asked what sort of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin replied that they had given us "A Republic, if you can keep it." Today, as in the past, we will need a brave "civic virtue," not a timid civility, to keep our republic. So, this evening, I leave you with the simple exhortation: Be not afraid." --- Justice Clarence Thomas - American Enterprise Institute Lecture - February 13, 2001
EagleTed
Forum Host
posts: 133
(2/15/01 6:34:31 pm)
Reply Gun Control
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Rhino,
This site: www.nvcdl.org/racist.htm (http://www.nvcdl.org/racist.htm)
may offer some explanation as to the Left's
motives.
Life, Liberty, Property
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 224
(2/15/01 6:43:50 pm)
Reply No trick qustion
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Did I make the hypothetical situation too difficult, Padre? I await your reply anxiously.
Yukon1
Gold Star Member
posts: 31
(2/15/01 7:32:34 pm)
Reply Re: No trick qustion
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WOLF,
Not difficult at all. I guess I'd be in one helluva position. What would I do? To be quire honest I really don't know.
Father Yukon
Rhino
Forum Host
posts: 499
(2/15/01 7:38:21 pm)
Reply
Re: No trick qustion
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Excellent article Ted. Thanks!
Warlady, I think this would actually fall under the commerce clause, as it is an attempt to do nothing more than limit sales. Legal eagles, help me out here. Would this not be similar to the lawsuits recently dismissed against gun manufacturers because the courts ruled they were nothing more than an attempt to achieve a ban monetarily that could not be done legislatively, and was therefore a violation of the commerce clause?
-----------------------------------------------------------
"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Jesse Lackman
Gold Star Member
posts: 52
(2/15/01 8:01:55 pm)
Reply
Re: No trick qustion
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"WOLF,
Not difficult at all. I guess I'd be in one helluva position. What would I do? To be quire honest I really don't know.
Father Yukon"
I could like you Yukon. You remind me of what my dad told us kids,"What you don't know won't hurt you, it will kill you"
I have asked my myself and my family the question you were asked. If I were being assaulted my family would rather have me kill the criminal than have the criminal kill me. And I would rather kill a criminal assaulting my family than have the criminal kill or assault my family. Imagine how you would feel if any of your family was assaulted and you did nothing to stop it. I would find that very hard to live with. Now true the chances of actually being assaulted might be slim, but why not be prepared. And this type of preparation is not paranoia.
I read somewhere and have been trying to find it again that oover 60% of people in gun free (ya right) England will face assault during their lifetime.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it is wrong!
Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 225
(2/15/01 10:51:46 pm)
Reply A matter of life
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I just got back, and thanks, Padre, for the reply. All I can say about the intruder situation is if there are going to be dead bodies, it is better that the bodies belong to the intruders. Of course, you need overwhelming force to protect yourself and your family. The firearm is the best equalizer.
Better to be judged by twelve than to be buried by six.
Yukon1
Gold Star Member
posts: 44
(2/16/01 7:28:42 am)
Reply Re: A matter of life
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WOLF,
In the hypothetical situation you described you never put a gun into the equation. Given the circumstances you posed if I had a gun I would, of course, USE IT. There would be a few "dead brothers" in my front room.
Father Yukon
Rhino
Forum Host
posts: 516
(2/16/01 7:48:19 am)
Reply
Re: A matter of life
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He never mentioned "brothers" Yukon. A little racism creeping through there maybe?
-----------------------------------------------------------
"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Yukon1
Gold Star Member
posts: 50
(2/16/01 8:16:22 am)
Reply Re: A matter of life
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All of mankind are my "brothers" Rhino - even you !
Father Yukon
Wolfcounsel
Gold Star Member
posts: 234
(2/16/01 11:30:45 am)
Reply Criminals beware.
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"In the hypothetical situation you described you never put a gun into the equation." --Yukon1
That was coming. I was going to ask if, given a choice between a baseball bat and a .45 automatic, you would choose the gun.
Hottjohn
Gold Star Member
posts: 68
(2/16/01 1:42:30 pm)
Reply Re: Criminals beware.
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Ultimately we will all become handloaders in order to own inexpensive ammunition. Not only is it less expensive, it is fun, it is educational, it is safe, and your loads are more accurate. Until then, just get your cheap ammunition at www.ammoman.com. (http://www.ammoman.com.) Not taxes, no shipping charges, fast delivery. What a country.