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Boy Suspended for Pointing Chicken Finger
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JONESBORO, Ark. (AP) - An 8-year-old boy was suspended from school for 3 days after pointing a breaded chicken finger at a teacher and saying, "Pow, pow, pow."
The incident apparently violated the Jonesboro School District's zero-tolerance policy against weapons. The boy was suspended last week.
Kelli Kissinger, mother of first-grader Christopher, said she believed the punishment was too severe.
"I think a chicken strip is something insignificant," she said. "It's just a piece of chicken. How could you play like it's a gun?"
South Elementary principal Dan Sullivan said he was prevented by law from discussing Christopher's suspension.
Sullivan said the school has zero-tolerance rules because the public wants them.
In March 1998, four students and a teacher were killed and 10 others wounded when two youths opened fire on a schoolyard at Jonesboro's Westside Middle School.
"People saw real threats to the safety and security of their students," Sullivan said.
A school discipline form provided by the boy's mother and signed by Sullivan says the child was suspended because he "took a chicken strip off his plate, pointed it at (a teacher) and said 'Pow, pow, pow,' like he was shooting her."
Sullivan said punishment for a threat "depends on the tone, the demeanor, and in some manner you judge the intent. It's not the object in the hand, it's the thought in the mind. Is a plastic fork worse than a metal fork? Is a pencil a weapon?"
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
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Are we to expect mandatory trigger locks for chicken fingers?
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oracle
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This just from CNN (the Chicken News Network) -
All purchases at KFC will require a 72 hour waiting period. Buyers of a Bucket must have a dealer's license from the ATF.
The 12 pack will be considered as a high capacity magazine under the Assault Rifle Ban and posession will be a Class 3 felony.
And in a related story, the DEA has classified Dipping Sauce as a controlled substance.
Edited by: WarLady1 at: 1/31/01 9:28:43 pm
Rhino
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Mandatory background checks at poultry shows, 4-H meetings, and county fairs. Any chicken producing more than five eggs a month should be considered a high-capacity chicken and be subject to additional restrictions. Any egg should be considered an assault chicken part, and subject to the same controls.
Why did the chicken cross the road? To shoot up the schoolyard of course!
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this is almost funny... can u say nazi germany boyz n gurlz?
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The Sonarman
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Anti-gun hysteria is getting completely out of hand. This is in the South, too (Arkansas).
About time I registered my fully automatic chicken deep fry cooker with the DOD, I guess.
As to Nazi Germany.... vis-a-vie the USA. I think a good case can be made the US is far too left wing fascist. The leftist fury over private firearms ownership is merely a case in point. Yesterday, it was handguns. Today.... it's unregistered, unlicensed chickens.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
Edited by: The Sonarman at: 1/31/01 9:27:26 pm
Rhino
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I almost forgot the taggants that must now be added to honey mustard sauce.
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oracle
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Jesse Jackson is organising protests...he says the lighter penalties for posessing honey mustard sauce compared to posession of bar-b-que is obviously intentially unfair to blacks.
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He also thinks the disprortionate number of KFCs in urban areas is a deliberate attempt by poultry producers to get illegal chicken into the hands of criminals and increase crime rates. Since those areas have high black populations, he's asking the Justice Department investigate this obvious bias against black people.
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magnum mom
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Hey Guys, what i want to know is how do i go about getting a c and c permit so i will be legal if i should ever go to k.f.c.??? and i guess i will have to forgo my sauce? i wonder if it will be possible to get a special permit for sauces. if you find out let me know please? thanks. bwahahahahahahaha what will they think of next?
oracle
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Is that a chicken in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
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Howdy Magnum Mom. Welcome to the merry band.
Yes, you can get your basic FCCCP (Fried Chicken Concealed Carry Permit) in some 31 states, although I am most familiar with State of Texas law, passed under Governor Bush. Forget even applying for a license in Massachuesetts or Maryland.... those states have a "zero tolerance chicken program". The last I heard, you can get 3-5 mandatory. Extremely tough anti-chicken states.
The sauces require extra classroom training (additional training to the basic State FCCCP license), and an additional visit to the local county Sheriff's office (if, say, you want to carry both mustard and ketchup).
If you want to carry KFC "eleven secret spices", you have to apply for the additional class 3 permit, transfer tax, federal fingerprints, etc. The Federal "fully automatic" chicken license (class 3) will take you about 90 days.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
Edited by: The Sonarman at: 1/31/01 10:21:44 pm
Rhino
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If you get coffee with your order, are you considered to be under the influence when you shoot up the schoolyard with chicken?
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magnum mom
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Hey sonarman, thanks for the welcome. i am very familiar with warladies work, just i have not really posted on here before, but this one well was just to hilarious not too. Thank you for the information on the chicken permits. Thank goodness i do not live in Mass. or MD. lol. i will be calling my nearest kfc tomorrow to make sure i can get these permits and additional training i will no doubt need. Have to watch them sauces you know. thanks. again. lol
oracle
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In John Lott's new book, All White Meat Please, he points out that the statistics show that when people are allowed to carry concealed chicken fingers, the number of violent crimes goes down...however there is an increase in the number of attacks by ravenous pit bulls
The Sonarman
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Howdy MM.
By the way, last year the Boston SWAT team (multi-jurisdictional chicken detachment with assistance from the local FBI) was called out twice on Fried Chicken, and once on Baked Chicken offenses. In the Baked Chicken case, over one ton of illegally imported chicken was confiscated and destroyed.
In all three instances, the hostages were released unharmed, after careful negotiations.
Our country is thus kept safe, for decent, honest, citizens who "just say no" to eating chicken.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
Edited by: The Sonarman at: 1/31/01 10:41:34 pm
The Sonarman
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Rhino,
That depends on if you are charged as a juvenile, or as an adult chicken offender.
As an adult, a third chicken smuggling offense carries an additional, federal "Chicken Racketeering" charge (under the RICO statutes), as well.
That's what put Capone away, finally.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
Edited by: The Sonarman at: 1/31/01 10:50:18 pm
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u guys stop.. i'm gonna choke on my.. uhh.. i mean i'm dying with laughter here
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By the way, we didn't mention the (illegal) care and feeding of boneless chickens.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
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Of course this whole thing is ludicrous.
Along with the humorous comments, we should be inundating Jonesboro, Arkansas's political and educational establishment with a world view of their asininity. We cannot outlaw "political Correctness" but we can sure as hell ridicule it out of existence. If the Jonesboro paper would print the comments from this forum and other similar ones, it might have a salutory effect.
Such an action might make the sheep take another look at this nonsense.
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crowTrobot
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Hmmmm....I wonder what political party controls these teachers unions?
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"Hmmmm....I wonder what political party controls these teachers unions?" --crowTrobot
The Communist Clown party.
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shrdlu wrote:
Of course this whole thing is ludicrous.
Along with the humorous comments, we should be inundating Jonesboro, Arkansas's political and educational establishment with a world view of their asininity. We cannot outlaw "political Correctness" but we can sure as hell ridicule it out of existence. If the Jonesboro paper would print the comments from this forum and other similar ones, it might have a salutory effect.
Such an action might make the sheep take another look at this nonsense.
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Absolutely, shrdlu. We might also want to find out how dangerous chicken/turkey stuffing is. Think of all those families at risk on Thanksgiving Day! Is nothing safe anymore?!
Edited by: Maggie T at: 2/1/01 9:28:36 am
The Zymurgist
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Well, since no one else is gunna do it, here goes:
Where *do* we draw the line on threatening behavior? The chicken finger is humerous, but it doesn't take much imagination to see why a stance must be taken at some point.
What if that child had a wiffle ball bat (plastic) and posed as if ready to swing it at this teacher? It's only a toy after all.
Have you read any cases where police officers shot someone because they *thought* the person was weilding a gun only to later find out it was a flashlight, or a toy? Wouldn't a responsible message to our children be that even pretending to weild a gun against another is unacceptable?
Yes, it was a peice of processed chicken, but lets not overlook that the kid was acting out a vicious assault on his teacher. I say 3 days is not unreasonable.
Flame away.
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Note: You really think suspension is going to teach the kid anything? Not even a paddling will do any good. If Rambotitos (police officer wannabes) are too stupid to discern a chicken finger from a toy gun (no elaboration needed on that scenario), those clowns should not wear a badge, much less a gun. And thank you also for making public the defense a home defender can claim in court. "I'm sorry, judge. I thought the intruder had a gun instead of a drumstick!"
Special note: Watch some dingbat fashion a zip gun to look like a chicken finger.
More special note: Pointing at people is hazardous to your health. Too much paranoia.
Take your pick.
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It's a good thing it wasn't a t-bone.
The depths to which we have sunk is unbelievable. The loonie left has all these feel god laws passed and it comes back to bite us all in the butt. OUCH that hurt.
Can you say STUPID!!!
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Note: You really think suspension is going to teach the kid anything? Not even a paddling will do any good.
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You are right. Discipline must be abandoned. Open the prison gates, its not working.
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If Rambotitos (police officer wannabes) are too stupid to discern a chicken finger from a toy gun (no elaboration needed on that scenario), those clowns should not wear a badge, much less a gun.
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Weak argument. Bad lighting, quick movements, all sorts of factors can come into play in incorrectly identifying the object in someone's hand. You go ahead and condemn the officers who have been put in that position. I'll withhold judgement.
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And thank you also for making public the defense a home defender can claim in court. "I'm sorry, judge. I thought the intruder had a gun instead of a drumstick!"
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This one is just stupid.
tacitus, group me in with the "loonie left" if you must but I don't see anything wrong with punishing children for "pretending" to kill their teacher.
I don't allow my children to point things at me and pretend to shoot me. I'm funny that way.
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Neal Boortz commentary this morning, from his website
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SUSPENDED OVER A …. CHICKEN FINGER?
Here we go again. Another story about these incredible government schools.
This time we go to Jonesboro, Arkansas. The South Elementary School.
The boy is eight years ole. He’s in the first grade. OK, I know --- usually you find six year-olds in first grade. Remember, this is Arkansas.
Anyway … he’s sitting in the cafeteria with a plate of delicious chicken strips – or fingers – or whatever in front of him. He picks up a chicken finger and points it at a friend and says “pow, pow, pow.”
Well, a teacher thought he was pointing the chicken finger at her, and she reports the incident. The kid is suspended – for three days. The principal won’t talk. Says he can’t. He does say that the school has a zero-tolerance policy on weapons and threats.
Is there no end to the absurdities that turn up in our government schools? Now we have kids being kicked out because they point chicken fingers at each other? Maybe it wasn’t the chicken finger! Maybe it was the “pow, pow, pow” words! I wonder if he would have been suspended if he just sat there at the cafeteria with no chicken finger in his hand and said “pow, pow, pow,” Is the chicken finger an indispensable part of the threat here? Would a French fry be treated the same? How about a bowl of grits? What if he had held up a wiener and said “boom?” I mean, they kinda look like pipe bombs, don’t they? What if he acted like he was going to throw a pineapple? Remember World War II? They called hand grenades pineapples then, didn’t they? Gee, maybe bringing a pineapple to school could get you expended?
Come to think of it, what if he burped? Pointed his finger and burped? You know, they had a machine gun during WWII that they called a burp gun. I think you should be suspended for pointing and burping too!
Wait! What about that old “pull my finger” bit? That should get you suspended, don’t you think? You know, gas warfare? Chemical weapons?
Would it have been OK if the kid had pointed the chicken finger and said “cluck, cluck, cluck?”
Does anyone stop to think what type of kids we’re raising here? You get kicked out of school for pointing a piece of meat at a teacher?
OK --- I see you smiling. We aren’t going there.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
The Zymurgist
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Hmm, the story is changing. Originally I read:
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An 8-year-old boy was suspended from school for 3 days after pointing a breaded chicken finger at a teacher and saying, "Pow, pow, pow
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he’s sitting in the cafeteria with a plate of delicious chicken strips – or fingers – or whatever in front of him. He picks up a chicken finger and points it at a friend and says “pow, pow, pow.”
Well, a teacher thought he was pointing the chicken finger at her, and she reports the incident.
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If the second version is correct, I join you all in your rancor. When you read the first version however, you are left with the vision of an unruly child acting out. Imagine, as I did, an ugly sneer on the child's face as he squints one eye, and peers at the teacher with other exclaiming "POW, POW, POW!"
The devil is always in the details.
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"You are right. Discipline must be abandoned. Open the prison gates, its not working." --Zymurgist
Don't compare a first-grader to a hardened criminal. It makes your babble look even more stupid.
"If Rambotitos (police officer wannabes) are too stupid to discern a chicken finger from a toy gun (no elaboration needed on that scenario), those clowns should not wear a badge, much less a gun." --Me
"Weak argument. Bad lighting, quick movements, all sorts of factors can come into play in incorrectly identifying the object in someone's hand. You go ahead and condemn the officers who have been put in that position. I'll withhold judgement." --Zymurgist
Can you explain why a police officer can make a mistake in identifying an object in someone's hand because of bad lighting, quick movements, all sorts of factors, and yet call it stupid when a home defender is put in the same position?
"tacitus, group me in with the "loonie left"...I don't allow my children to point things at me and pretend to shoot me. I'm funny that way." --Zymurgist
Allow me. I'd say you fit in quite perfectly with the strange people.
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Don't compare a first-grader to a hardened criminal. It makes your babble look even more stupid.
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Your lack of foresight and logic is an embarassment. Children BECOME hardened criminals when they grow up in the absence of discipline.
You think this kid is going to pretend to shoot his teacher again? He would if you had your way.
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"Your lack of foresight and logic is an embarassment. Children BECOME hardened criminals when they grow up in the absence of discipline." --Zymurgist
Give me a break! Your discipline methods belong in China, not here.
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It's not the chicken finger.
"Pow, pow, pow" is hate speach!
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crowtrobot, you really have to ask that? in case you are serious the liberals have control of our public education system. and welcome aboard. Now then everyone stand back i have a chicken finger and i am not afraid to use it.
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"in case you are serious the liberals have control of our public education system." --magnum mom
Like I said-The Communist Clowns Party.
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"Hmmmm....I wonder what political party controls these teachers unions?" --crowTrobot
Isn't it the other way around? I wonder what political party is controled by the teachers' union?
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oracle
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I guess he should have used a silencer.
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Perhaps the real focus should be on things like this. Nothing like keeping one's head buried in the sand regarding drugs on campus. They are nmore concerned with the really serious things like some kid saying bang and pointing a chicken strip.
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School chiefs assailed for drug-abuse denial
Many Monarch students use Ecstasy, says brother of Boulder girl who is in coma after using substance
By Owen S. Good, News Staff Writer
BOULDER -- Monarch High officials are making a bad problem worse by denying that students at the Louisville school abuse the drug Ecstasy, the 17-year-old brother of Brittney Chambers said Wednesday.
Brittney, a Monarch ninth-grader last year, remains in critical condition on life support after taking Ecstasy Saturday night during her 16th birthday party.
Preston Chambers said that "many Monarch High School students have estimated to me that, at bare minimum, 50 percent of the students have tried Ecstasy."
Those students face the same peril as his sister, he said.
"It truly is a dangerous thing. You could end up in the hospital, you could end up dead, you could end up with brain damage."
Mack Clark, deputy superintendent of the Boulder Valley School District, conceded Wednesday that the problem probably is larger than he had estimated earlier this week, when he said the use of Ecstasy was not prevalent at Monarch. Mack denied that student had access to any drugs on campus. Now he recants his earlier statement since the students all came out and proved otherwise.
"Certainly, from the response we've received from the community, this is an issue larger than the statistics we would have surrounding this particular drug," he said.
"There has been a heightened interest from kids and the community about drug availability and drug use, particularly with the drug Ecstasy. We are quite concerned about that. The last thing we want to do is bury our head in the sand."
Authorities expect to arrest at least some Monarch High students by the end of the week for supplying the Ecstasy to Brittney Chambers, said Detective Mike Linden of the Boulder County Sheriff's Office.
Linden said "about half a dozen kids are involved, mostly kids who are from the school."
The light-green, clover-shaped pill Brittney took was bought on campus, Linden said.
Preston Chambers, conducting a press conference on his family's behalf at Boulder Community Hospital, where his sister is in a coma, said society must accept that Ecstasy is a reality for many students.
He said he did not believe it was the first time his sister had tried Ecstasy, although she had told her mother in December it was "a stupid drug," and said she would never do it.
"It's really up to the kids themselves," he said. "They need to realize that it is a very dangerous thing to do."
The Chambers family would not comment on Brittney's condition or her prospects of recovery. Preston Chambers, without specifying, said the family is awaiting "further testing."
Authorities Wednesday backed away from earlier warnings that the Ecstasy may have come from a tainted supply.
"It could have been because her chemical makeup, she had a bad reaction to it," Linden said. "It could be because often, drugs like that, you take them with another drug or alcohol. It's hard to say."
He said investigators have information that alcohol was present at the party.
Preston Chambers said he has no "foul feelings" for the partygoers who gave Brittney the Ecstasy.
Dealers, though, are another matter.
"Take a step back and think if the 20 bucks you got for this pill is really worth this person's life," he said. "Can you maintain a good conscience about selling something that's going to hurt people for 20 bucks?"
February 1, 2001
"No man can establish himself by wickedness,but good men have roots that cannot be dislodged" Proverbs 11:3
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Mother cries foul in chicken-finger-as-gun suspension
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JONESBORO, Ark. – Apparently, a breaded chicken finger falls under the Jonesboro School District's zero-tolerance policy against weapons.
Kelli Kissinger is outraged that her son could be suspended for three days for aiming a chicken strip toward a teacher and saying, "Pow, pow, pow."
Christopher Kissinger, an 8-year-old first-grader at South Elementary School in Jonesboro, was suspended last week after the incident in the school cafeteria.
"I think a chicken strip is something insignificant," the boy's mother said. "It's just a piece of chicken. How could you play like it's a gun?"
"The teacher thought I was pointing it at her, but I was pointing it at my friend," Christopher said.
In March 1998, four students and a teacher were killed and 10 others wounded when two youths fired on a schoolyard at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.
South Elementary principal Dan Sullivan said he was prevented by law from answering questions about the case.
But a school discipline form provided by the boy's mother and signed by Mr. Sullivan says the child was suspended because he "took a chicken strip off his plate, pointed it at ... [a teacher] and said 'Pow, pow, pow,' like he was shooting her."
"It depends on the tone, the demeanor, and in some manner you judge the intent" of the threat, Mr. Sullivan said. "It's not the object in the hand, it's the thought in the mind. Is a plastic fork worse than a metal fork? Is a pencil a weapon?"
Christopher said he had been disciplined for talking and was sitting at a detention table when the incident occurred.
His mother said a suspension might have been merited, but she was disturbed that it was for three days and that her son served it at an alternative school.
"I don't doubt that he did it," she said. "But like his psychiatrist said, ... [the school] needs to be able to tell the difference between a threat and a playful act. ... Chris has never been a violent child. He has an active imagination, but he's never been violent."
Mr. Sullivan said the school has zero-tolerance rules because the public believes those policies are necessary.
"It's got to be intimidating for a little kid to come to school these days," Mr. Sullivan said. "We've got a policeman on campus, but all these things are here because it's real. Most of these policies were put in place after the fact. People saw real threats to the safety and security of their students."
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"It depends on the tone, the demeanor, and in some manner you judge the intent" of the threat, Mr. Sullivan said. "It's not the object in the hand, it's the thought in the mind. Is a plastic fork worse than a metal fork? Is a pencil a weapon?"
Christopher said he had been disciplined for talking and was sitting at a detention table when the incident occurred.
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Yes, this is the scenario I pictured in my mind when I first read it. An angry child acting out. I agree with the first paragraph completely here.
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I think we had better call for a congressional investigation. We should pull no punches in our divine efforts to discipline this child and steer him away from the path of criminalhood. Today it is a chicken finger and "pow pow pow". Tomorrow it may be a bone! and "boom boom boom" and one never knows what he may do next. I worry for our chil'run. Really.
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Yes, Wolf.... teachers concentrate on an overly severe punishment of this little guy, rather than merely telling "little johnny" (or whoever) to not do that anymore.
Three days suspension? When I was in High School, you got that for getting caught fighting on school property (and you only got caught if you were a total doofus).
I could see suspension (or expulsion) for having a real weapon on school grounds, but this is assinine on the school's part.
"Zero Tolerance" Program? More like "Zero Intelligence" on the part of the school officials.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
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("Zero Tolerance" Program? More like "Zero Intelligence"...)The Sonarman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! OOOOOH! Now the screaming from the liberals will really start.
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It's just typical liberal knee jerking. It does absolutely nothing about any problem, but it makes them feel better.
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To suspend an 8 year old child for brandishing a boneless batter fried chicken strip and uttering "pow pow pow" has GOT to go down in the anals of "dumbest liberal tricks" as number 1. Maybe he mistook lunch for popcorn shrimp... And leftwingers wonder why we think they have no sense? If their brains were gas they couldn't drive an ant around a BB on a motorcycle. Give me a frickin' break.
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
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De La Sith
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We got 8 year olds getting suspended for using a chicken finger as a gun. We got kindergartners getting suspended for playing cops and robbers at recess. Then we got got a kid drawing pictures of killing schoolmates and not a damn thing is done to him. Figure that one out!!!
First of all, suspending that kid for the chicken is too extreme. Though I do believe with all that has happened, some discipline was in order, but not that.
What do you expect? We teach our kids that guns are fun and let them kill, even if it is pretend.
PEace
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Sith, innocent play has been part of growing up since the beginning of time. Cops and robbers, cowboys and indians etc. To forbid it as if it is mysterious and unnatural is what causes problems in my view. Parental responsibility and failed culture is what is wrong with our youth not innocent games. This was way overblown.
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here's your corrected image stashed at a place that is far more permanent than the current image's location.
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I agree with that, parents as a whole do not care and are not getting the job done. That is one of the biggest problems in society in my opinion. But I still stand by my statement because it is really saying the same thing. When the parents ignore their responsibilites and do not teach children the proper way of using guns, then they are basically teaching them the wrong way to use them.
PEace
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Sith, I agree completely. I was raised with guns, my Father taught me to respect them for what they are. No mystique. Bush has the right idea going back to parental responsibility, spousal responsibility, family values, personal responsibility. Kids are smart. They won't grow up maniacs if we don't pump them full of ritalin, shove a computer in front of them and ignore them.
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Yo Atomic, I could never get it to work there. I actually got one I want where I have it and the PE target where you put it.
It's weak to speak and blame somebody else, when you destroy yourself"- Chuck D
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sith post this in your pic line
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I sure am glad that I got in on a good deal....I have a pre-ban Russian made KFC47 with the composite cornmeal/flour folding stock...a ported cluck supressor....a deadly sharp beakonet....you thought getting all of the cosmolene off was bad....try the chicken fat!
Seriously, I remember playing with my cap guns...and my water pistols...and playing Army....I had toy swords...built forts...I was a kid...and I had a great childhood....never had to worry whether or not carrying a concealed McNugget would get me in trouble. This whole thing smacks of the big government politics of the Clinton beltway days. I was a kid...full of energy...like EVERY child I know.
When liberalism takes a normal, active child and suddenly brandishes him or her as having ADD or Hyperactivity...then medicates them with Ritalin or the like...and pulls stunts like this unfortunate Chicken Finger NON-issue...it makes me realize why my parents speak of the good ol' days. The reason they are looked upon thusly is because morality and common sense were the norm...not the exception.
I do not want to go back to the "good ol' days". I want to meet the future without having my children subject to the travesty our nation has become under democratic leadership. I sincerely hope things like this will become relegated to back page news...and eventually be chalked up to rites of passage...kids being kids....
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Han, BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks, I think I finally got it how I want it. Though is there a way I don't have to type or paste it in everytime?
PEace
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Zymurgist.....What the F--k is a Zymurgist??? From your posts it is someone who is about 2 or 3 notches below an idiot. It is not my nature to be aggressive, but your asininities are inconceivable. Until I encountered your submissions, this board was reasonably rational and dealt with genuine problems. Please forbear and do not insult everyone's intelligence with further blatherings.
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Shrdlu, LOLOL tell us how you really feel.
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Zymurgist.....What the F--k is a Zymurgist??? From your posts it is someone who is about 2 or 3 notches below an idiot.
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You contradict yourself. I have yet to engage a member of this forum in less than a civil manner. The lack of substance and tone of your post hardly merits a start.
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Considering the state of education in this nation, the student was probably justified in his opinion. We know that Dan Sullivan (The Principal) is an idiot.
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Well, since no one else is gunna do it, here goes:
Where *do* we draw the line on threatening behavior? The chicken finger is humerous, but it doesn't take much imagination to see why a stance must be taken at some point.
What if that child had a wiffle ball bat (plastic) and posed as if ready to swing it at this teacher? It's only a toy after all.
Have you read any cases where police officers shot someone because they *thought* the person was weilding a gun only to later find out it was a flashlight, or a toy? Wouldn't a responsible message to our children be that even pretending to weild a gun against another is unacceptable?
Yes, it was a peice of processed chicken, but lets not overlook that the kid was acting out a vicious assault on his teacher. I say 3 days is not unreasonable.
Flame away.
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What ever happened to a child being alowed to be a child, to play. Are you saying a teacher cannot tell the difference between an 8 year old pointing poultry and making noises and a real threat to life and limb? Remember when it was a free country? It wasn't all that long ago. 30, 40 years ago and kids could play, the schools actually produced an educated populace, speach was free. Life WAS better for most. Now even little children must live in repression and fear that they might say something that some paranoid adult will construe as dangerous (nothing an 8 year old says is dangerous, including 'Pow'), undemocratic, might offend some hot house flower in the class, or is not PC enough for the area. Do you not see this is WAY out of control? There was a time when when the behavior and opinions of the majority were considered the norm. If someone had a problem with something that was said or done, it was the responsibility of that person to change to fit in. Now, in the constant fear of frivalous law suits, the majority is expected to change to avoid offending the individual. We've got it backward. In my view, this is the main reason we have a society of selfish misfits. Road rage is a direct result of this attitude. The entire world MUST change to accomodate my needs or whims or look out. It's multiculturalism, bilingualism, etc. It's eliminating perfume on the chance that some tiny segment of society might be effected or object. It's the utterly selfish idea that each and every individual has the authority, no the very right, to force everyone else to accomodate them. We've gone too far...AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zymurgy:
The principles and methods of fermentation, especially as applied to brewing, distilling, winemaking, and the preparation of yeast and vinegar.
Zymurgist:
One who brews beer and/or wine. See Zymurgy above.
Other than the odd distinction of being one of the last words in the English Dictionary, those are the definitions.
I'm one myself.... having homebrewed beer and wine for more than ten years. Of course, there are professional brewers who do this, as well. They run microbreweries, or work for Busch, Coors, etc.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
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The Zymurgist
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Thanks for the INTELLIGENT and CIVIL reply James. I will respond in kind. First of all, please examine the first sentence of my post: "Well, since no one else is gunna do it, here goes:"
I meant to indicate that I intended to play devil's advocate in the interest of turning this thread into a discussion rather than just a soapbox where we all go "Yeah, right on! Next...". Before you accuse me of backpeddling, let me also say I do not see this as the "exreme leftist overreaction" that so many here do.
When you read the story, you may have pictured mere child's play. I pictured a different scene, and I think the facts bear it out. Apparently the kid was being punished for disruptive behavior. It was during this "time-out" that he wielded the chicken as if a gun, pointing it at his teacher and saying "pow, pow, pow."
If you think about this scene in your mind (I have a 7 year old, I can see it all too clearly), you can see how this could have been done in a far more threatening manner than most are assuming. Let's not forget that the underlying issue is not chicken. It is that the kid, while being punished, lashed out at his teacher pretending to shoot her.
So really, it comes down to not whether to punish, but rather HOW. Is 3 days expulsion too severe? I don't really have a problem with it. I think its pretty inappropriate to pretend to assault your teacher in school. There is a time and place for play. I would rather err on the side of discipline lest the child think his actions have no real consequences.
30 years ago the child would have probably been paddled. When you were 7, would you rather be paddled, or miss 3 days of school?
Sonarman, I thought I'd let Mr. Tough Guy look it up on his own, but it's nice to see a fellow brewer here. That makes 3 of us.
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Zymurgist:
That's OK. I'm in engineering, by trade. One of those "if a question is asked, I'll answer precisely" sort of characters.
I knew the definition, of course, from the title of the homebrewer's magazine. I went ahead and dug out my trusty Webster's, just for fun.
By the way, The Sonarman and The Prisoner Number Six are one in the same humanoid. It just depends on which computer I'm using.
Best Regards,
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Zy posted:
"I meant to indicate that I intended to play devil's advocate in the interest of turning this thread into a discussion rather than just a soapbox where we all go "Yeah, right on! Next...".
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Well, for Pete's sake, why didn't you say so!
Zy, I'm afraid I agree with the rest. It's a HUGE overreacion. IMHO, I'm sure that when pointing and pretending to shoot the kid didn't actually WANT to KILL the teacher. I think it was just the same as if he had shouted: "F--- you, old bag!" or words to that effect. The kid was angry for being punished ... please don't tell me that is abnormal or threatening. Have you ever seen a kid accept punishment meekly, without a word of protest? Really? What's his name? Saint Junior?
Seriously now, maybe the kid deserved being punished for showing disrespect to his teacher. And even then, a mere scolding would have been enough.
But the article clearly puts emphasis on the child pretending to be shooting, even it he was doing it with a chicken finger. Come now, it's too much. Far out of control.
It's just another article demonizing guns, make no mistake.
Personally, I've had enough of the liberals eternally whining about guns.
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Maggie, I've had enough of that too (liberal whining). But it was Freud that said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
You made an interesting comment about this being the equivalent of saying "F___ you teacher..." I'm curious as to what punishment you think should be meted out for that infraction. I'm not sure if it's because of where I grew up (midwest), but a 3 day suspension probably wouldn't have been out of the question for yelling that phrase at a teacher.
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Zymurgist, I fully realized you were playing Devils Advocate, but I was responding to your argument on it's merits. We are speaking of an 8 year old. What maybe 4ft tall and under 100 lbs (well under I suspect). He was 'armed' with a chicken and words. He was playing. He was no threat to the teacher or anyone esle in the room. The proper response from the teacher would have been something like 'OH, you got me' and words to the effect that one should never point a 'gun' at people. Period, end of issue. Instead you speak of the childs 'manner', his demeaner..hello..this is a little kid, NOT A THREAT. He was clearly armed with poultry, not a weapon of any sort. This is play, which used to be fun. All else is silliness and PC. Sorry, I do not see anything wrong woth anyones behavior except the Teachers. I'd sue if it was my kid.
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You would lose that lawsuit. You could never prove damages (cuz there weren't any.)
Like I said, I have a 7 year old boy. It seems the image many have here is one of a toddler. "Oh, you got me!... but you shouldn't do that..." That is not a proper response to an 8 year old. That would be the proper response for a 3 year old. (I have one of those too.)
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I my days (long gone by) IF such a thing had happened, the miscreant would have had to stay after school time and do some mathematical or grammar work. Another popular form of punishement was to have the child write "I will not be disrespectful to my teacher again" 100 times or so on the blackboard, while the teacher explained to one of the parents (who would actually be present) what the situation was. And I can assure you that the ride home would NOT have been pleasant for junior, either.
It was very effective, you know. I saw it work (never mind the details).
Of course that was a looong time ago. Now such a thing would be impossible: it would imply that both teacher and parent(s) actually take the time to discipline junior. Who has the time to do that these days? And how would that (gasp!) affect the little rotter's "self-esteem"?
Edited by: Maggie T at: 2/2/01 2:21:47 pm
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Doesn't sound that long ago to me. Seems like a lot of the recent liberal revisionist thinking. In my day, nobody would have been incredibly STUPID enough to believe that an eight year old saying pow pow, bang bang, boom boom, or any other similar sound, was actually a threat against anyone, even the teacher it was NOT directed towards. Warlady is right. This is nothing more than another attempt to demonize guns.
Also in my day, forget the chalkboard, get the paddle!!! That worked great and it still does, and my self-esteeem is a whole lot better now than it would have been if I'd gotten away with murder.
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Rhino, when I went to school, the "belt" ("paddle"'s first cousin) was very much in fashion. Talk about a convincing argument!
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"But the article clearly puts emphasis on the child pretending to be shooting, even it he was doing it with a chicken finger. Come now, it's too much. Far out of control.
It's just another article demonizing guns, make no mistake.
Personally, I've had enough of the liberals eternally whining about guns." --Maggie T
Right on the money, Maggie. Still, in order to please the whining liberals, I think we should summon the world court and seek their advice. I believe this little boy may turn into another Clinton, or worse, a hardened criminal if he is not nipped in the bud. I haven't slept a wink since I've had that dreaded vision of a chicken finger being pointed at a (GASP! CHOKE!) teacher!
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This is amazing. Somehow, some way, there is this story of some kid getting suspended for pointing a piece of chicken at someone, and everyone chimes in on why it happened.
Was it because Jonesboro was the place were some kids and a teacher got shot up by a couple kids? Could it be that the teachers in the area just might possibly be prone to overreacting, considering that a teacher had already been killed by some kids?
NO!!! It was an EVIL LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!!!!
The people on this board continue to amaze me with on their fabulous leaps of logic. By all means, keep going. I am totally impressed.
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That you Yukon? Sounds like it. When you're not imagining some conspiracy, you imagine that someone else is. How many posts were put up saying this was an overreaction before you caught on? DUH!!!! You graduated second grade, huh? Your intellect is just dazzling Jethro.
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"Your intellect is just dazzling Jethro." --Rhino, to MaximumSam
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one!
"It was an EVIL LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!!!!" --MaximumSam
Okay, I'll go along with you, Sam, but I believe there is hope for those liberal clowns and their conspiracy theories. Let's keep our fingers crossed, and maybe they'll go aw..., uh, I mean, maybe they will become enlightened to the truth.
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This is 2 funny. Am I to assume that it was the childs thoughts that are under assault? Who in their right mind are we to give a damn if a kid hates his teacher?
If a kid was ever considered to be under full control of their mental facilities....then I guess we could lower the voting age to 8. Beer at 12. Firearms at 15, (my fav).
Even though the kid didn't say this, but if he had...that he really hated the teacher and would be happier if that person was dead..so what?
I'm sure that chicken finger is restricted in California now with all the 'assault cosmetics' of the fried batter.
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Amazing....
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Warlady<<<---Shaking head
ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAIUY8PNIC.html
Boy Suspended for Pointing Chicken Finger
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JONESBORO, Ark. (AP) - An 8-year-old boy was suspended from school for 3 days after pointing a breaded chicken finger at a teacher and saying, "Pow, pow, pow."
The incident apparently violated the Jonesboro School District's zero-tolerance policy against weapons. The boy was suspended last week.
Kelli Kissinger, mother of first-grader Christopher, said she believed the punishment was too severe.
"I think a chicken strip is something insignificant," she said. "It's just a piece of chicken. How could you play like it's a gun?"
South Elementary principal Dan Sullivan said he was prevented by law from discussing Christopher's suspension.
Sullivan said the school has zero-tolerance rules because the public wants them.
In March 1998, four students and a teacher were killed and 10 others wounded when two youths opened fire on a schoolyard at Jonesboro's Westside Middle School.
"People saw real threats to the safety and security of their students," Sullivan said.
A school discipline form provided by the boy's mother and signed by Sullivan says the child was suspended because he "took a chicken strip off his plate, pointed it at (a teacher) and said 'Pow, pow, pow,' like he was shooting her."
Sullivan said punishment for a threat "depends on the tone, the demeanor, and in some manner you judge the intent. It's not the object in the hand, it's the thought in the mind. Is a plastic fork worse than a metal fork? Is a pencil a weapon?"
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Are we to expect mandatory trigger locks for chicken fingers?
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This just from CNN (the Chicken News Network) -
All purchases at KFC will require a 72 hour waiting period. Buyers of a Bucket must have a dealer's license from the ATF.
The 12 pack will be considered as a high capacity magazine under the Assault Rifle Ban and posession will be a Class 3 felony.
And in a related story, the DEA has classified Dipping Sauce as a controlled substance.
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Mandatory background checks at poultry shows, 4-H meetings, and county fairs. Any chicken producing more than five eggs a month should be considered a high-capacity chicken and be subject to additional restrictions. Any egg should be considered an assault chicken part, and subject to the same controls.
Why did the chicken cross the road? To shoot up the schoolyard of course!
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this is almost funny... can u say nazi germany boyz n gurlz?
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Anti-gun hysteria is getting completely out of hand. This is in the South, too (Arkansas).
About time I registered my fully automatic chicken deep fry cooker with the DOD, I guess.
As to Nazi Germany.... vis-a-vie the USA. I think a good case can be made the US is far too left wing fascist. The leftist fury over private firearms ownership is merely a case in point. Yesterday, it was handguns. Today.... it's unregistered, unlicensed chickens.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
Edited by: The Sonarman at: 1/31/01 9:27:26 pm
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I almost forgot the taggants that must now be added to honey mustard sauce.
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Jesse Jackson is organising protests...he says the lighter penalties for posessing honey mustard sauce compared to posession of bar-b-que is obviously intentially unfair to blacks.
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He also thinks the disprortionate number of KFCs in urban areas is a deliberate attempt by poultry producers to get illegal chicken into the hands of criminals and increase crime rates. Since those areas have high black populations, he's asking the Justice Department investigate this obvious bias against black people.
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Hey Guys, what i want to know is how do i go about getting a c and c permit so i will be legal if i should ever go to k.f.c.??? and i guess i will have to forgo my sauce? i wonder if it will be possible to get a special permit for sauces. if you find out let me know please? thanks. bwahahahahahahaha what will they think of next?
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Is that a chicken in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
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Howdy Magnum Mom. Welcome to the merry band.
Yes, you can get your basic FCCCP (Fried Chicken Concealed Carry Permit) in some 31 states, although I am most familiar with State of Texas law, passed under Governor Bush. Forget even applying for a license in Massachuesetts or Maryland.... those states have a "zero tolerance chicken program". The last I heard, you can get 3-5 mandatory. Extremely tough anti-chicken states.
The sauces require extra classroom training (additional training to the basic State FCCCP license), and an additional visit to the local county Sheriff's office (if, say, you want to carry both mustard and ketchup).
If you want to carry KFC "eleven secret spices", you have to apply for the additional class 3 permit, transfer tax, federal fingerprints, etc. The Federal "fully automatic" chicken license (class 3) will take you about 90 days.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
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If you get coffee with your order, are you considered to be under the influence when you shoot up the schoolyard with chicken?
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Hey sonarman, thanks for the welcome. i am very familiar with warladies work, just i have not really posted on here before, but this one well was just to hilarious not too. Thank you for the information on the chicken permits. Thank goodness i do not live in Mass. or MD. lol. i will be calling my nearest kfc tomorrow to make sure i can get these permits and additional training i will no doubt need. Have to watch them sauces you know. thanks. again. lol
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In John Lott's new book, All White Meat Please, he points out that the statistics show that when people are allowed to carry concealed chicken fingers, the number of violent crimes goes down...however there is an increase in the number of attacks by ravenous pit bulls
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Howdy MM.
By the way, last year the Boston SWAT team (multi-jurisdictional chicken detachment with assistance from the local FBI) was called out twice on Fried Chicken, and once on Baked Chicken offenses. In the Baked Chicken case, over one ton of illegally imported chicken was confiscated and destroyed.
In all three instances, the hostages were released unharmed, after careful negotiations.
Our country is thus kept safe, for decent, honest, citizens who "just say no" to eating chicken.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
Edited by: The Sonarman at: 1/31/01 10:41:34 pm
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Rhino,
That depends on if you are charged as a juvenile, or as an adult chicken offender.
As an adult, a third chicken smuggling offense carries an additional, federal "Chicken Racketeering" charge (under the RICO statutes), as well.
That's what put Capone away, finally.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
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u guys stop.. i'm gonna choke on my.. uhh.. i mean i'm dying with laughter here
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By the way, we didn't mention the (illegal) care and feeding of boneless chickens.
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Of course this whole thing is ludicrous.
Along with the humorous comments, we should be inundating Jonesboro, Arkansas's political and educational establishment with a world view of their asininity. We cannot outlaw "political Correctness" but we can sure as hell ridicule it out of existence. If the Jonesboro paper would print the comments from this forum and other similar ones, it might have a salutory effect.
Such an action might make the sheep take another look at this nonsense.
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Hmmmm....I wonder what political party controls these teachers unions?
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The Communist Clown party.
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shrdlu wrote:
Of course this whole thing is ludicrous.
Along with the humorous comments, we should be inundating Jonesboro, Arkansas's political and educational establishment with a world view of their asininity. We cannot outlaw "political Correctness" but we can sure as hell ridicule it out of existence. If the Jonesboro paper would print the comments from this forum and other similar ones, it might have a salutory effect.
Such an action might make the sheep take another look at this nonsense.
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Absolutely, shrdlu. We might also want to find out how dangerous chicken/turkey stuffing is. Think of all those families at risk on Thanksgiving Day! Is nothing safe anymore?!
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Well, since no one else is gunna do it, here goes:
Where *do* we draw the line on threatening behavior? The chicken finger is humerous, but it doesn't take much imagination to see why a stance must be taken at some point.
What if that child had a wiffle ball bat (plastic) and posed as if ready to swing it at this teacher? It's only a toy after all.
Have you read any cases where police officers shot someone because they *thought* the person was weilding a gun only to later find out it was a flashlight, or a toy? Wouldn't a responsible message to our children be that even pretending to weild a gun against another is unacceptable?
Yes, it was a peice of processed chicken, but lets not overlook that the kid was acting out a vicious assault on his teacher. I say 3 days is not unreasonable.
Flame away.
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Note: You really think suspension is going to teach the kid anything? Not even a paddling will do any good. If Rambotitos (police officer wannabes) are too stupid to discern a chicken finger from a toy gun (no elaboration needed on that scenario), those clowns should not wear a badge, much less a gun. And thank you also for making public the defense a home defender can claim in court. "I'm sorry, judge. I thought the intruder had a gun instead of a drumstick!"
Special note: Watch some dingbat fashion a zip gun to look like a chicken finger.
More special note: Pointing at people is hazardous to your health. Too much paranoia.
Take your pick.
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It's a good thing it wasn't a t-bone.
The depths to which we have sunk is unbelievable. The loonie left has all these feel god laws passed and it comes back to bite us all in the butt. OUCH that hurt.
Can you say STUPID!!!
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Note: You really think suspension is going to teach the kid anything? Not even a paddling will do any good.
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You are right. Discipline must be abandoned. Open the prison gates, its not working.
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If Rambotitos (police officer wannabes) are too stupid to discern a chicken finger from a toy gun (no elaboration needed on that scenario), those clowns should not wear a badge, much less a gun.
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Weak argument. Bad lighting, quick movements, all sorts of factors can come into play in incorrectly identifying the object in someone's hand. You go ahead and condemn the officers who have been put in that position. I'll withhold judgement.
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And thank you also for making public the defense a home defender can claim in court. "I'm sorry, judge. I thought the intruder had a gun instead of a drumstick!"
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This one is just stupid.
tacitus, group me in with the "loonie left" if you must but I don't see anything wrong with punishing children for "pretending" to kill their teacher.
I don't allow my children to point things at me and pretend to shoot me. I'm funny that way.
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Neal Boortz commentary this morning, from his website
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SUSPENDED OVER A …. CHICKEN FINGER?
Here we go again. Another story about these incredible government schools.
This time we go to Jonesboro, Arkansas. The South Elementary School.
The boy is eight years ole. He’s in the first grade. OK, I know --- usually you find six year-olds in first grade. Remember, this is Arkansas.
Anyway … he’s sitting in the cafeteria with a plate of delicious chicken strips – or fingers – or whatever in front of him. He picks up a chicken finger and points it at a friend and says “pow, pow, pow.”
Well, a teacher thought he was pointing the chicken finger at her, and she reports the incident. The kid is suspended – for three days. The principal won’t talk. Says he can’t. He does say that the school has a zero-tolerance policy on weapons and threats.
Is there no end to the absurdities that turn up in our government schools? Now we have kids being kicked out because they point chicken fingers at each other? Maybe it wasn’t the chicken finger! Maybe it was the “pow, pow, pow” words! I wonder if he would have been suspended if he just sat there at the cafeteria with no chicken finger in his hand and said “pow, pow, pow,” Is the chicken finger an indispensable part of the threat here? Would a French fry be treated the same? How about a bowl of grits? What if he had held up a wiener and said “boom?” I mean, they kinda look like pipe bombs, don’t they? What if he acted like he was going to throw a pineapple? Remember World War II? They called hand grenades pineapples then, didn’t they? Gee, maybe bringing a pineapple to school could get you expended?
Come to think of it, what if he burped? Pointed his finger and burped? You know, they had a machine gun during WWII that they called a burp gun. I think you should be suspended for pointing and burping too!
Wait! What about that old “pull my finger” bit? That should get you suspended, don’t you think? You know, gas warfare? Chemical weapons?
Would it have been OK if the kid had pointed the chicken finger and said “cluck, cluck, cluck?”
Does anyone stop to think what type of kids we’re raising here? You get kicked out of school for pointing a piece of meat at a teacher?
OK --- I see you smiling. We aren’t going there.
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Hmm, the story is changing. Originally I read:
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he’s sitting in the cafeteria with a plate of delicious chicken strips – or fingers – or whatever in front of him. He picks up a chicken finger and points it at a friend and says “pow, pow, pow.”
Well, a teacher thought he was pointing the chicken finger at her, and she reports the incident.
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If the second version is correct, I join you all in your rancor. When you read the first version however, you are left with the vision of an unruly child acting out. Imagine, as I did, an ugly sneer on the child's face as he squints one eye, and peers at the teacher with other exclaiming "POW, POW, POW!"
The devil is always in the details.
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"You are right. Discipline must be abandoned. Open the prison gates, its not working." --Zymurgist
Don't compare a first-grader to a hardened criminal. It makes your babble look even more stupid.
"If Rambotitos (police officer wannabes) are too stupid to discern a chicken finger from a toy gun (no elaboration needed on that scenario), those clowns should not wear a badge, much less a gun." --Me
"Weak argument. Bad lighting, quick movements, all sorts of factors can come into play in incorrectly identifying the object in someone's hand. You go ahead and condemn the officers who have been put in that position. I'll withhold judgement." --Zymurgist
Can you explain why a police officer can make a mistake in identifying an object in someone's hand because of bad lighting, quick movements, all sorts of factors, and yet call it stupid when a home defender is put in the same position?
"tacitus, group me in with the "loonie left"...I don't allow my children to point things at me and pretend to shoot me. I'm funny that way." --Zymurgist
Allow me. I'd say you fit in quite perfectly with the strange people.
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Don't compare a first-grader to a hardened criminal. It makes your babble look even more stupid.
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Your lack of foresight and logic is an embarassment. Children BECOME hardened criminals when they grow up in the absence of discipline.
You think this kid is going to pretend to shoot his teacher again? He would if you had your way.
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Give me a break! Your discipline methods belong in China, not here.
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It's not the chicken finger.
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crowtrobot, you really have to ask that? in case you are serious the liberals have control of our public education system. and welcome aboard. Now then everyone stand back i have a chicken finger and i am not afraid to use it.
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Like I said-The Communist Clowns Party.
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Isn't it the other way around? I wonder what political party is controled by the teachers' union?
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I guess he should have used a silencer.
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Perhaps the real focus should be on things like this. Nothing like keeping one's head buried in the sand regarding drugs on campus. They are nmore concerned with the really serious things like some kid saying bang and pointing a chicken strip.
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School chiefs assailed for drug-abuse denial
Many Monarch students use Ecstasy, says brother of Boulder girl who is in coma after using substance
By Owen S. Good, News Staff Writer
BOULDER -- Monarch High officials are making a bad problem worse by denying that students at the Louisville school abuse the drug Ecstasy, the 17-year-old brother of Brittney Chambers said Wednesday.
Brittney, a Monarch ninth-grader last year, remains in critical condition on life support after taking Ecstasy Saturday night during her 16th birthday party.
Preston Chambers said that "many Monarch High School students have estimated to me that, at bare minimum, 50 percent of the students have tried Ecstasy."
Those students face the same peril as his sister, he said.
"It truly is a dangerous thing. You could end up in the hospital, you could end up dead, you could end up with brain damage."
Mack Clark, deputy superintendent of the Boulder Valley School District, conceded Wednesday that the problem probably is larger than he had estimated earlier this week, when he said the use of Ecstasy was not prevalent at Monarch. Mack denied that student had access to any drugs on campus. Now he recants his earlier statement since the students all came out and proved otherwise.
"Certainly, from the response we've received from the community, this is an issue larger than the statistics we would have surrounding this particular drug," he said.
"There has been a heightened interest from kids and the community about drug availability and drug use, particularly with the drug Ecstasy. We are quite concerned about that. The last thing we want to do is bury our head in the sand."
Authorities expect to arrest at least some Monarch High students by the end of the week for supplying the Ecstasy to Brittney Chambers, said Detective Mike Linden of the Boulder County Sheriff's Office.
Linden said "about half a dozen kids are involved, mostly kids who are from the school."
The light-green, clover-shaped pill Brittney took was bought on campus, Linden said.
Preston Chambers, conducting a press conference on his family's behalf at Boulder Community Hospital, where his sister is in a coma, said society must accept that Ecstasy is a reality for many students.
He said he did not believe it was the first time his sister had tried Ecstasy, although she had told her mother in December it was "a stupid drug," and said she would never do it.
"It's really up to the kids themselves," he said. "They need to realize that it is a very dangerous thing to do."
The Chambers family would not comment on Brittney's condition or her prospects of recovery. Preston Chambers, without specifying, said the family is awaiting "further testing."
Authorities Wednesday backed away from earlier warnings that the Ecstasy may have come from a tainted supply.
"It could have been because her chemical makeup, she had a bad reaction to it," Linden said. "It could be because often, drugs like that, you take them with another drug or alcohol. It's hard to say."
He said investigators have information that alcohol was present at the party.
Preston Chambers said he has no "foul feelings" for the partygoers who gave Brittney the Ecstasy.
Dealers, though, are another matter.
"Take a step back and think if the 20 bucks you got for this pill is really worth this person's life," he said. "Can you maintain a good conscience about selling something that's going to hurt people for 20 bucks?"
February 1, 2001
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JONESBORO, Ark. – Apparently, a breaded chicken finger falls under the Jonesboro School District's zero-tolerance policy against weapons.
Kelli Kissinger is outraged that her son could be suspended for three days for aiming a chicken strip toward a teacher and saying, "Pow, pow, pow."
Christopher Kissinger, an 8-year-old first-grader at South Elementary School in Jonesboro, was suspended last week after the incident in the school cafeteria.
"I think a chicken strip is something insignificant," the boy's mother said. "It's just a piece of chicken. How could you play like it's a gun?"
"The teacher thought I was pointing it at her, but I was pointing it at my friend," Christopher said.
In March 1998, four students and a teacher were killed and 10 others wounded when two youths fired on a schoolyard at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.
South Elementary principal Dan Sullivan said he was prevented by law from answering questions about the case.
But a school discipline form provided by the boy's mother and signed by Mr. Sullivan says the child was suspended because he "took a chicken strip off his plate, pointed it at ... [a teacher] and said 'Pow, pow, pow,' like he was shooting her."
"It depends on the tone, the demeanor, and in some manner you judge the intent" of the threat, Mr. Sullivan said. "It's not the object in the hand, it's the thought in the mind. Is a plastic fork worse than a metal fork? Is a pencil a weapon?"
Christopher said he had been disciplined for talking and was sitting at a detention table when the incident occurred.
His mother said a suspension might have been merited, but she was disturbed that it was for three days and that her son served it at an alternative school.
"I don't doubt that he did it," she said. "But like his psychiatrist said, ... [the school] needs to be able to tell the difference between a threat and a playful act. ... Chris has never been a violent child. He has an active imagination, but he's never been violent."
Mr. Sullivan said the school has zero-tolerance rules because the public believes those policies are necessary.
"It's got to be intimidating for a little kid to come to school these days," Mr. Sullivan said. "We've got a policeman on campus, but all these things are here because it's real. Most of these policies were put in place after the fact. People saw real threats to the safety and security of their students."
www.dallasnews.com/texas_..._01te.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_..._01te.html)
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"It depends on the tone, the demeanor, and in some manner you judge the intent" of the threat, Mr. Sullivan said. "It's not the object in the hand, it's the thought in the mind. Is a plastic fork worse than a metal fork? Is a pencil a weapon?"
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Yes, this is the scenario I pictured in my mind when I first read it. An angry child acting out. I agree with the first paragraph completely here.
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I think we had better call for a congressional investigation. We should pull no punches in our divine efforts to discipline this child and steer him away from the path of criminalhood. Today it is a chicken finger and "pow pow pow". Tomorrow it may be a bone! and "boom boom boom" and one never knows what he may do next. I worry for our chil'run. Really.
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Yes, Wolf.... teachers concentrate on an overly severe punishment of this little guy, rather than merely telling "little johnny" (or whoever) to not do that anymore.
Three days suspension? When I was in High School, you got that for getting caught fighting on school property (and you only got caught if you were a total doofus).
I could see suspension (or expulsion) for having a real weapon on school grounds, but this is assinine on the school's part.
"Zero Tolerance" Program? More like "Zero Intelligence" on the part of the school officials.
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("Zero Tolerance" Program? More like "Zero Intelligence"...)The Sonarman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! OOOOOH! Now the screaming from the liberals will really start.
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It's just typical liberal knee jerking. It does absolutely nothing about any problem, but it makes them feel better.
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To suspend an 8 year old child for brandishing a boneless batter fried chicken strip and uttering "pow pow pow" has GOT to go down in the anals of "dumbest liberal tricks" as number 1. Maybe he mistook lunch for popcorn shrimp... And leftwingers wonder why we think they have no sense? If their brains were gas they couldn't drive an ant around a BB on a motorcycle. Give me a frickin' break.
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
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We got 8 year olds getting suspended for using a chicken finger as a gun. We got kindergartners getting suspended for playing cops and robbers at recess. Then we got got a kid drawing pictures of killing schoolmates and not a damn thing is done to him. Figure that one out!!!
First of all, suspending that kid for the chicken is too extreme. Though I do believe with all that has happened, some discipline was in order, but not that.
What do you expect? We teach our kids that guns are fun and let them kill, even if it is pretend.
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Sith, innocent play has been part of growing up since the beginning of time. Cops and robbers, cowboys and indians etc. To forbid it as if it is mysterious and unnatural is what causes problems in my view. Parental responsibility and failed culture is what is wrong with our youth not innocent games. This was way overblown.
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here's your corrected image stashed at a place that is far more permanent than the current image's location.
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I agree with that, parents as a whole do not care and are not getting the job done. That is one of the biggest problems in society in my opinion. But I still stand by my statement because it is really saying the same thing. When the parents ignore their responsibilites and do not teach children the proper way of using guns, then they are basically teaching them the wrong way to use them.
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Sith, I agree completely. I was raised with guns, my Father taught me to respect them for what they are. No mystique. Bush has the right idea going back to parental responsibility, spousal responsibility, family values, personal responsibility. Kids are smart. They won't grow up maniacs if we don't pump them full of ritalin, shove a computer in front of them and ignore them.
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
De La Sith
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Yo Atomic, I could never get it to work there. I actually got one I want where I have it and the PE target where you put it.
It's weak to speak and blame somebody else, when you destroy yourself"- Chuck D
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sith post this in your pic line
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What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? --Thomas Jefferson (Memo to Ted Kennedy)
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I sure am glad that I got in on a good deal....I have a pre-ban Russian made KFC47 with the composite cornmeal/flour folding stock...a ported cluck supressor....a deadly sharp beakonet....you thought getting all of the cosmolene off was bad....try the chicken fat!
Seriously, I remember playing with my cap guns...and my water pistols...and playing Army....I had toy swords...built forts...I was a kid...and I had a great childhood....never had to worry whether or not carrying a concealed McNugget would get me in trouble. This whole thing smacks of the big government politics of the Clinton beltway days. I was a kid...full of energy...like EVERY child I know.
When liberalism takes a normal, active child and suddenly brandishes him or her as having ADD or Hyperactivity...then medicates them with Ritalin or the like...and pulls stunts like this unfortunate Chicken Finger NON-issue...it makes me realize why my parents speak of the good ol' days. The reason they are looked upon thusly is because morality and common sense were the norm...not the exception.
I do not want to go back to the "good ol' days". I want to meet the future without having my children subject to the travesty our nation has become under democratic leadership. I sincerely hope things like this will become relegated to back page news...and eventually be chalked up to rites of passage...kids being kids....
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Han, BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks, I think I finally got it how I want it. Though is there a way I don't have to type or paste it in everytime?
PEace
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Zymurgist.....What the F--k is a Zymurgist??? From your posts it is someone who is about 2 or 3 notches below an idiot. It is not my nature to be aggressive, but your asininities are inconceivable. Until I encountered your submissions, this board was reasonably rational and dealt with genuine problems. Please forbear and do not insult everyone's intelligence with further blatherings.
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Shrdlu, LOLOL tell us how you really feel.
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Zymurgist.....What the F--k is a Zymurgist??? From your posts it is someone who is about 2 or 3 notches below an idiot.
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You contradict yourself. I have yet to engage a member of this forum in less than a civil manner. The lack of substance and tone of your post hardly merits a start.
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Considering the state of education in this nation, the student was probably justified in his opinion. We know that Dan Sullivan (The Principal) is an idiot.
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Well, since no one else is gunna do it, here goes:
Where *do* we draw the line on threatening behavior? The chicken finger is humerous, but it doesn't take much imagination to see why a stance must be taken at some point.
What if that child had a wiffle ball bat (plastic) and posed as if ready to swing it at this teacher? It's only a toy after all.
Have you read any cases where police officers shot someone because they *thought* the person was weilding a gun only to later find out it was a flashlight, or a toy? Wouldn't a responsible message to our children be that even pretending to weild a gun against another is unacceptable?
Yes, it was a peice of processed chicken, but lets not overlook that the kid was acting out a vicious assault on his teacher. I say 3 days is not unreasonable.
Flame away.
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What ever happened to a child being alowed to be a child, to play. Are you saying a teacher cannot tell the difference between an 8 year old pointing poultry and making noises and a real threat to life and limb? Remember when it was a free country? It wasn't all that long ago. 30, 40 years ago and kids could play, the schools actually produced an educated populace, speach was free. Life WAS better for most. Now even little children must live in repression and fear that they might say something that some paranoid adult will construe as dangerous (nothing an 8 year old says is dangerous, including 'Pow'), undemocratic, might offend some hot house flower in the class, or is not PC enough for the area. Do you not see this is WAY out of control? There was a time when when the behavior and opinions of the majority were considered the norm. If someone had a problem with something that was said or done, it was the responsibility of that person to change to fit in. Now, in the constant fear of frivalous law suits, the majority is expected to change to avoid offending the individual. We've got it backward. In my view, this is the main reason we have a society of selfish misfits. Road rage is a direct result of this attitude. The entire world MUST change to accomodate my needs or whims or look out. It's multiculturalism, bilingualism, etc. It's eliminating perfume on the chance that some tiny segment of society might be effected or object. It's the utterly selfish idea that each and every individual has the authority, no the very right, to force everyone else to accomodate them. We've gone too far...AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zymurgy:
The principles and methods of fermentation, especially as applied to brewing, distilling, winemaking, and the preparation of yeast and vinegar.
Zymurgist:
One who brews beer and/or wine. See Zymurgy above.
Other than the odd distinction of being one of the last words in the English Dictionary, those are the definitions.
I'm one myself.... having homebrewed beer and wine for more than ten years. Of course, there are professional brewers who do this, as well. They run microbreweries, or work for Busch, Coors, etc.
The trouble with modern US Foreign Relations is.... we utilize way too much BS and not enough napalm.
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The Zymurgist
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Thanks for the INTELLIGENT and CIVIL reply James. I will respond in kind. First of all, please examine the first sentence of my post: "Well, since no one else is gunna do it, here goes:"
I meant to indicate that I intended to play devil's advocate in the interest of turning this thread into a discussion rather than just a soapbox where we all go "Yeah, right on! Next...". Before you accuse me of backpeddling, let me also say I do not see this as the "exreme leftist overreaction" that so many here do.
When you read the story, you may have pictured mere child's play. I pictured a different scene, and I think the facts bear it out. Apparently the kid was being punished for disruptive behavior. It was during this "time-out" that he wielded the chicken as if a gun, pointing it at his teacher and saying "pow, pow, pow."
If you think about this scene in your mind (I have a 7 year old, I can see it all too clearly), you can see how this could have been done in a far more threatening manner than most are assuming. Let's not forget that the underlying issue is not chicken. It is that the kid, while being punished, lashed out at his teacher pretending to shoot her.
So really, it comes down to not whether to punish, but rather HOW. Is 3 days expulsion too severe? I don't really have a problem with it. I think its pretty inappropriate to pretend to assault your teacher in school. There is a time and place for play. I would rather err on the side of discipline lest the child think his actions have no real consequences.
30 years ago the child would have probably been paddled. When you were 7, would you rather be paddled, or miss 3 days of school?
Sonarman, I thought I'd let Mr. Tough Guy look it up on his own, but it's nice to see a fellow brewer here. That makes 3 of us.
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Zymurgist:
That's OK. I'm in engineering, by trade. One of those "if a question is asked, I'll answer precisely" sort of characters.
I knew the definition, of course, from the title of the homebrewer's magazine. I went ahead and dug out my trusty Webster's, just for fun.
By the way, The Sonarman and The Prisoner Number Six are one in the same humanoid. It just depends on which computer I'm using.
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Zy posted:
"I meant to indicate that I intended to play devil's advocate in the interest of turning this thread into a discussion rather than just a soapbox where we all go "Yeah, right on! Next...".
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Well, for Pete's sake, why didn't you say so!
Zy, I'm afraid I agree with the rest. It's a HUGE overreacion. IMHO, I'm sure that when pointing and pretending to shoot the kid didn't actually WANT to KILL the teacher. I think it was just the same as if he had shouted: "F--- you, old bag!" or words to that effect. The kid was angry for being punished ... please don't tell me that is abnormal or threatening. Have you ever seen a kid accept punishment meekly, without a word of protest? Really? What's his name? Saint Junior?
Seriously now, maybe the kid deserved being punished for showing disrespect to his teacher. And even then, a mere scolding would have been enough.
But the article clearly puts emphasis on the child pretending to be shooting, even it he was doing it with a chicken finger. Come now, it's too much. Far out of control.
It's just another article demonizing guns, make no mistake.
Personally, I've had enough of the liberals eternally whining about guns.
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Maggie, I've had enough of that too (liberal whining). But it was Freud that said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
You made an interesting comment about this being the equivalent of saying "F___ you teacher..." I'm curious as to what punishment you think should be meted out for that infraction. I'm not sure if it's because of where I grew up (midwest), but a 3 day suspension probably wouldn't have been out of the question for yelling that phrase at a teacher.
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Zymurgist, I fully realized you were playing Devils Advocate, but I was responding to your argument on it's merits. We are speaking of an 8 year old. What maybe 4ft tall and under 100 lbs (well under I suspect). He was 'armed' with a chicken and words. He was playing. He was no threat to the teacher or anyone esle in the room. The proper response from the teacher would have been something like 'OH, you got me' and words to the effect that one should never point a 'gun' at people. Period, end of issue. Instead you speak of the childs 'manner', his demeaner..hello..this is a little kid, NOT A THREAT. He was clearly armed with poultry, not a weapon of any sort. This is play, which used to be fun. All else is silliness and PC. Sorry, I do not see anything wrong woth anyones behavior except the Teachers. I'd sue if it was my kid.
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You would lose that lawsuit. You could never prove damages (cuz there weren't any.)
Like I said, I have a 7 year old boy. It seems the image many have here is one of a toddler. "Oh, you got me!... but you shouldn't do that..." That is not a proper response to an 8 year old. That would be the proper response for a 3 year old. (I have one of those too.)
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I my days (long gone by) IF such a thing had happened, the miscreant would have had to stay after school time and do some mathematical or grammar work. Another popular form of punishement was to have the child write "I will not be disrespectful to my teacher again" 100 times or so on the blackboard, while the teacher explained to one of the parents (who would actually be present) what the situation was. And I can assure you that the ride home would NOT have been pleasant for junior, either.
It was very effective, you know. I saw it work (never mind the details).
Of course that was a looong time ago. Now such a thing would be impossible: it would imply that both teacher and parent(s) actually take the time to discipline junior. Who has the time to do that these days? And how would that (gasp!) affect the little rotter's "self-esteem"?
Edited by: Maggie T at: 2/2/01 2:21:47 pm
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Doesn't sound that long ago to me. Seems like a lot of the recent liberal revisionist thinking. In my day, nobody would have been incredibly STUPID enough to believe that an eight year old saying pow pow, bang bang, boom boom, or any other similar sound, was actually a threat against anyone, even the teacher it was NOT directed towards. Warlady is right. This is nothing more than another attempt to demonize guns.
Also in my day, forget the chalkboard, get the paddle!!! That worked great and it still does, and my self-esteeem is a whole lot better now than it would have been if I'd gotten away with murder.
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Rhino, when I went to school, the "belt" ("paddle"'s first cousin) was very much in fashion. Talk about a convincing argument!
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"But the article clearly puts emphasis on the child pretending to be shooting, even it he was doing it with a chicken finger. Come now, it's too much. Far out of control.
It's just another article demonizing guns, make no mistake.
Personally, I've had enough of the liberals eternally whining about guns." --Maggie T
Right on the money, Maggie. Still, in order to please the whining liberals, I think we should summon the world court and seek their advice. I believe this little boy may turn into another Clinton, or worse, a hardened criminal if he is not nipped in the bud. I haven't slept a wink since I've had that dreaded vision of a chicken finger being pointed at a (GASP! CHOKE!) teacher!
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This is amazing. Somehow, some way, there is this story of some kid getting suspended for pointing a piece of chicken at someone, and everyone chimes in on why it happened.
Was it because Jonesboro was the place were some kids and a teacher got shot up by a couple kids? Could it be that the teachers in the area just might possibly be prone to overreacting, considering that a teacher had already been killed by some kids?
NO!!! It was an EVIL LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!!!!
The people on this board continue to amaze me with on their fabulous leaps of logic. By all means, keep going. I am totally impressed.
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That you Yukon? Sounds like it. When you're not imagining some conspiracy, you imagine that someone else is. How many posts were put up saying this was an overreaction before you caught on? DUH!!!! You graduated second grade, huh? Your intellect is just dazzling Jethro.
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"Your intellect is just dazzling Jethro." --Rhino, to MaximumSam
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one!
"It was an EVIL LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!!!!" --MaximumSam
Okay, I'll go along with you, Sam, but I believe there is hope for those liberal clowns and their conspiracy theories. Let's keep our fingers crossed, and maybe they'll go aw..., uh, I mean, maybe they will become enlightened to the truth.
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This is 2 funny. Am I to assume that it was the childs thoughts that are under assault? Who in their right mind are we to give a damn if a kid hates his teacher?
If a kid was ever considered to be under full control of their mental facilities....then I guess we could lower the voting age to 8. Beer at 12. Firearms at 15, (my fav).
Even though the kid didn't say this, but if he had...that he really hated the teacher and would be happier if that person was dead..so what?
I'm sure that chicken finger is restricted in California now with all the 'assault cosmetics' of the fried batter.
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Amazing....
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