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Keith J
09-01-2004, 10:12 AM
The global carbon cycle is a central issue of the proposed "global warming" hypothesis. This cycle is poorly understood by most and searching for facts returns overwhelming information, the most damning being the missing carbon. This is carbon, released by human activity from fossil fuels, that cannot be accounted for in the carbon cycle. Over half of the carbon released by human activity falls into this catagory. More precisely, out of the 8 billion metric tons of carbon released into the carbon cycle each year, only 3.2 billion tons shows up in atmospheric measurments.

Where does it go? Research should look at the obivious, photosynthesis. The function of plants to use CO2 and water with energy from the sun to make carbohydrates (carbo-carbon, hydrate-water). In making carbohydrates, they give off oxygen.

CO2 + H2O + energy = nCH20 + O2 where n is the polymeric number of the carbohydrate, 6 for the sugar sucrose.

Researchers are blinded because they look to trees which only make 8% of the earth's oxygen, the smallest contributor to the oxygen cycle and similarily, the smallest fraction of carbon dioxide absorption.

Looking for larger numbers, one goes to the next level, grasslands and crops. This is still tiny, a 12% producer of oxygen and similar carbon dioxide absorber. Even combined with the trees, its still tiny compared to the seas.

Yes, 80% of the earth's oxygen comes from the sea. So it stands to reason 80% or so of the carbon cycle is tied to the seas. Occum's razor? Definitely.

The weakness in this assumption is the carbon of the oceans is assumed to be floating in the upper levels of the ocean, in constant flux. For carbon to be sequestered or "stored" in the ocean, it needs to become sediment. Currents and life prevent this, or so it was thought. And if it was forming a sediment, it could be quantified in dredgings of the bottom. But the carbon could not be found, at least in a form recognizable as biogenic.

Ocean scientists have long speculated over another mystery, that being chitin. Chitin is the shells of marine life like shrimp, crabs and the like. Exoskeletons which are complex carbonhydrates. Yes, carbohydrates. Carbohydrates which resist digestion by higher life forms like marine invertabrates, fish and marine mammals. How much missing chitin? 1000 billion metric tons, per year!

The "missing carbon" pales in comparison to "missing chitin" by a factor of 240. 240 times more chitin winds up missing each year that carbon. And chitin contains carbon. A lot of carbon. About 40% by carbon by mass so the missing carbon in chitin is still about 100 times greater than the missing carbon in the atmosphere.

Now where is this chitin going? Bacteria on the ocean floor are degrading this chitin, feeding on it. The scale of the decomposition is only recently demonstrated. Seems like the bacterial have developed a sense of finding chitin and rapidly colonizing the deposit.

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Writing in the Online Early Edition of "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences" for the week of Dec. 29, 2003, Xibing Li and Saul Roseman reported that they had found a genetic master switch that reacts to the presence of nearby chitin and sets off a biological chain reaction, causing the bacterial feast to begin. Understanding this process is important because 1011 tons of chitin (pronounced "KITE-in") are dumped annually in the oceans, largely by tiny sea animals called copepods, which shed their shells as they grow. "If nothing happened to this debris, we'd be up to our eyeballs in chitin, and the carbon and nitrogen cycle upon which marine life depends would be gone within 50 to 75 years," said Roseman, a professor of biology in the Kreiger School of Arts and Sciences at Johns Hopkins.

Researchers were puzzled about the disappearance of chitin because little of the material turned up in sediment on the ocean floors. Where did all of the chitin go? Then, about 70 years ago, two microbiologists determined that bacteria were quickly consuming the sinking shells and preserving the ecological balance. Since then, however, several mysteries have remained: How do the bacteria find these undersea meals? How do these microorganisms attach themselves to the chitin? How do they degrade the tough material and turn it into food?


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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-12/jhu-gms122903.php

Ok, so the bacteria are degrading the chitin. This would release the carbon back into the water and ultimately back into the atmosphere, right? Not so fast.

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Studies on cores taken from the sediment and from a deep agar mixed culture of sediment microorganisms have shown that the activity of chitinase is greatest at depths just below the point at which oxygen becomes undetectable (ie. anaerobic).

[/ QUOTE ]http://www.gutbugs.dabsol.co.uk/publish/abs5.htm

The bacteria are anerobic meaning they derive energy without using oxygen and instead of making carbon dioxide, they make methane. Here is where the global warming Luddites enter the self-flagelation stage. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide and therefore this is bad. But just like the original Luddites, the GW variety fails to see the big picture, that is the methane never makes it to the surface.

Yes, this methane is locked away in vast expanses of ocean floors as an ice-methane deposit known as clathrates. The earth had about 5,000 gigatons (5 x 10^15 tons) of carbon in the form of conventional fossil fuels, both recoverable and non-recoverable, potential and consumed. The oceans have about twice that in clathrate deposits. 10,000 gigatons of carbon are contained in clathrates. Since clathrates cannot exist in deeper ocean sediments (20 feet below the mudline) due to geothermal heat, their origin is most probably from biological activity.

http://ethomas.web.wesleyan.edu/ees123/clathres.p.gif

More will follow...this is posting from what I know and not my notes...

Timberwolf
09-02-2004, 09:04 AM
Very eenterestink!!!

Looking forward to reading the rest.

DesertFox
09-21-2004, 04:32 PM
More! Tell me more, Dr Inventor II!

rowl2021
09-27-2004, 04:31 PM
Very interesting... I'm awaiting more.

DoctorDoom
09-30-2004, 11:22 AM
Missing carbon found?I didn't take it! Ya can't pin dat rap on me, copper! I got a alibi. I was in Joisey at a sit-down when it disappeared.

DesertFox
09-30-2004, 07:28 PM
We're onta ya, Doom! Givvit up! You tryin' to cornuh the mahket on CO2 and hold the woild hostage!

BEST45CAL
10-07-2004, 05:42 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm...

Timberwolf
10-07-2004, 10:34 PM
Hmmmmm...blinded by science, perchance?? LOL

Keith J
12-21-2004, 12:47 PM
Bump for freedumb

sunsettommy
01-01-2005, 10:39 PM
Interesting long post about Carbon.However CO2 is and has been overrated as a Greenhouse Gas,it is less than 1/2 % of the TOTAL Atmospheric Greenhouse Gas.

Can anyone answer what the DOMINANT Greenhouse Gas is by Volume?

Keith J
01-02-2005, 08:41 PM
Nitrogen. Then oxygen. As the bulk air temperature rises, the fraction of the lightest gas component rises. This light gas promotes a very large negative heat flux through mass transport...a negative heat flux that is second only to the radiative heat flux of the earth...

Yes, water vapor is the least "greenhouse" of all atmospheric gases yet its total effects are some of the hardest to model as it conducts considerable heat energy as clouds form from rising vapor, releasing its latent heat high in the atmosphere.

Oh yes, these clouds further reduce heat flux to the Earth's surface by reflection, increasing what is known as the albedo.

sunsettommy
01-02-2005, 09:26 PM
Nitrogen. Then oxygen. As the bulk air temperature rises, the fraction of the lightest gas component rises. This light gas promotes a very large negative heat flux through mass transport...a negative heat flux that is second only to the radiative heat flux of the earth...

Yes, water vapor is the least "greenhouse" of all atmospheric gases yet its total effects are some of the hardest to model as it conducts considerable heat energy as clouds form from rising vapor, releasing its latent heat high in the atmosphere.

Oh yes, these clouds further reduce heat flux to the Earth's surface by reflection, increasing what is known as the albedo.I refer to this PDF to show that Nitrogen and Oxygen are NOT Greenhouse gases.Then too take a good look at the COMPOSITION of the Greenhouse Gases.Water Vapor then CO2 then Methane on down the short list of Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases.

http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/268.pdf

Water vapor and the Sun are sadly neglected by many people who peddle a doom and gloom Global Warming.Some of them unfortunately Climatologists.

Here is another link:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2001/200104254688.html

More about the most common and dominant Greenhouse Gas,Water vapor.

Keith J
12-16-2005, 12:52 PM
Another piece of the puzzle has been found...not surprisingly, it too is in the oceans.


MOSS LANDING—One of the biggest questions in modern oceanography is how
animals in the deep sea get enough to eat. Marine biologists at the Monterey Bay Aquarium
Research Institute (MBARI) recently published a paper that helps answer this question, at least
for animals that live on the deep seafloor off the coast of Central California. After analyzing
hundreds of hours of deep-sea video, Bruce Robison and his colleagues found that "sinkers"—
the cast-off mucus nets of small midwater animals called larvaceans—are a significant source of
food for deep-sea organisms. They describe their findings in the June 10, 2005 issue of Science

magazine.
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Back in the lab, the researchers carefully measured the amount of organic carbon in each
sinker. Finally, by multiplying the number of sinkers reaching the seafloor times the average
amount of carbon per sinker, they were able to estimate how much carbon the sinkers were
carrying to the seafloor. To their surprise, Robison and his colleagues found that sinkers were
delivering almost as much carbon as was the detritus being collected in sediment traps. They had
found an additional food source that was more than adequate to feed all those hungry deep-sea
animals.
These findings may seem esoteric, but they have global implications. The inability to
account for all the carbon reaching the seafloor has been a major concern not only to
oceanographers but also to some climate modelers who are trying to understand global warming.
The global carbon cycle is like a complex jigsaw puzzle with many interlocking pieces.
Robison's research may supply a piece of the puzzle that has long been missing.


http://www.mbari.org/news/news_releases/2005/sinkers.html

Keith J
03-20-2006, 02:50 PM
I refer to this PDF to show that Nitrogen and Oxygen are NOT Greenhouse gases.Then too take a good look at the COMPOSITION of the Greenhouse Gases.Water Vapor then CO2 then Methane on down the short list of Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases.

http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/268.pdf

Water vapor and the Sun are sadly neglected by many people who peddle a doom and gloom Global Warming.Some of them unfortunately Climatologists.

Here is another link:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2001/200104254688.html

More about the most common and dominant Greenhouse Gas,Water vapor.

The definition of a GHG is relative. Had we an atmosphere of helium instead of nitrogen, surface temperatures would be MUCH lower. Helium is a monoatomic gas with much higher thermal conduction and much lower enthalpy.

The reason some don't consider nitrogen and oxygen to be GHGs is because to do so would be trivial. But without these gases, Earth would be a WHOLE LOT colder.

Saturation diving habitats in heliox diving have problems with divers becoming hypothermic due to the vastly different properties of helium over normal air. Typical heliox diving involves over 90% He.