What did Kerry pull out of his jacket at the debate?

[Blowback]

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

[DoctorDoom]

He damned well DID remove something from his pocket. The cretin cannot be trusted.

A top Kerry campaign source explained to the DRUDGE REPORT late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."Once again the RATs demonstrate that they refuse to play by even the simplest rules. They are shameless. And the spin by the "insider" is just another example of the RAT SOP: "Oh, shit! We got caught again! Well, blame it on the GOP and hope it goes away."

Hopefully, the Blog Squad will not let this die. They took down CBS and Rather, and Kerry the Kreep is not immune.

[DesertFox]

Kerry suddenly discovered that unused condom in his pocket. Tereza put it there the day they married and it hasn't been needed in all this time.

Which also explains her ditziness.

[DoctorDoom]

Chances are he'd use it on her head like a mask.

[UnkHiram]

It does appear he removed something from the inside pocket of his jacket.

[DoctorDoom]

He then put it on the podium and looked at it. It's probably crib notes from a deepthroat in the Bush team.

[The_Sonarman]

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

It doesn't matter what he put on the podium. There was an agreement, and he violated it. This thing is on the same level with Bill Clinton.... not trustworthy even on simple things.

Then again, rules don't apply to Dems and other forms of communist vermin.

[Incident_command]

He probably got the questions prior to the debate also.

[uncommon1]

I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked that Kerry would do something less than legitimate! He's such a man of integrity!!!

[UnkHiram]

Uncommon1

Bubba I dont know what you are smoking but Man you gotta share. If it makes you believe that Kerry is man of integrity it must be potent.

[Kathy29]

It was the questions.

[Incident_command]

It was the questions.

My poor attempt at sarcasm. Usually I'm much better.

[tacitus]

Typical of the `RATS who can never be trusted.

[Maggie_T]

Uncommon1

Bubba I dont know what you are smoking but Man you gotta share. If it makes you believe that Kerry is man of integrity it must be potent.
Er, Unk, sweetie? I think Uncommon was being sarcastic.

As for Kerry's cheat sheet, why the surprise? We all know by now that democRATS cannot be trusted. The moment you tell them not to do something, they stumble over themselves to do exactly that. They are such brats, you know. Postponed adolescence, and all that.

What happened was that it was decided that there would be no filming from behind the debaters, but oops! someone forgot to turn the camera off when they came on the stage.

It won't matter. Kerry will get away with it because the media, forever the Kerry water-carriers, will not make a sound about this, and it will be regarded as another stunt from the vast right-wing conspiracy.

And so it goes.

[meshuga_mikey]

Kerry had that -----CORK BAT---- he needed to Hit the Home Run that even the DIMS knew hed need to stay in the Game in his coaut pocket

the Cork Bat CRIB SHEET

he only got to first........ even at that

I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG when I saw the photos of W after the deabte

HE KNEW PRECISELY WHAT WAS GOING ON AND BEING A MAN OF HONOR KEPT IT TO HIMSELF


many have said W..was off his game...I think he did a superb job of not RUSHING KERRY and THROTTLING the SOB
WHAT ELSE COULD HE HAVE DONE?

call your Local TV station and the Networks and DEMAND that this get Coverage.

[UnkHiram]

Er, Unk, sweetie? I think Uncommon was being sarcastic.

Mags, darlin, so was I

[SundaeDriver]

With that bit of sleight of hand Kerry should be entertaining at children's birthday parties instead of running for President.

Who does this a$$hole think he is, David Blaine?

I wish he'd do a disappearing act on himself.

The GOP should insist of having overhead cameras at the next debate.

[brakitdwn]

Just re-read the questions - look for this sort of BS.
Lehrer claims the questions were not preplanned or partisan and that no one knew what the questions would be?
WTF is this then?
In kerry's 90 second response to Bush's first question Kerry says "This president has made, I regret to say, a colossal error of judgment. And judgment is what we look for in the president of the United States of America."Kerry gets the very next question 10 seconds later and WHAT is it?
Lehrer:New question, two minutes, Senator Kerry.
"Colossal misjudgments." What colossal misjudgments, in your opinion, has President Bush made in these areas?The next questions stays on Kerry's side still:
LEHRER: New question, Mr. President. Two minutes.
What about Senator Kerry's point, the comparison he drew between the priorities of going after Osama bin Laden and going after Saddam Hussein?Next question for Kerry - notice how he does not pick up on any of Bush's points and drill Kerry on them? - no. he asks
As president, what would you do, specifically, in addition to or differently to increase the homeland security of the United States than what President Bush is doing?
Next - bringing troops home from Iraq.


Next Lehrer we see another soft set up ---

Kerrys says in response to Bush:
I believe that when you know something's going wrong, you make it right. That's what I learned in Vietnam. and this is Lehrer's prompt - HE reminds Americans of Kerry's big day in 1971 - (noting that he has mentioned nothing of what Bush has accomplished)....but has this non-partisan non- preplanned question all ready to go? RIGHT!?
Speaking of Vietnam, you spoke to Congress in 1971, after you came back from Vietnam, and you said, quote, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?
Next Lehrer asks Bush about something that he NEVER said and makes it seem as if he had just said it ------>such bullshit belongs in a barn:
LEHRER: New question, Mr. President, two minutes. You have said there was a, quote, "miscalculation," of what the conditions would be in post-war Iraq. What was the miscalculation, and how did it happen?
Again attacking Bush - Lehrer asks Kerry: (please note not one question has asked Bush anything about Kerry's questionable statements of record, and yet this is 3 softball questions to Kerry leading him right into his attack points...this is pure BS.
LEHRER: New question. Senator Kerry, two minutes. You just -- you've repeatedly accused President Bush -- not here tonight, but elsewhere before -- of not telling the truth about Iraq, essentially of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth.
I can go on through the entire 90 minutes - it was a complete set up for Kerry - Kerry adresses Lehrer as "Jim" adressing him directly. Bush always adressed the audience.

And in the end Kerry winks at Jim Lehrer with a nod of approval - watch the tape - you will see it.
Total softball set up -

Bush is had.


With this sort of forum he is toast.

[speed_addiction]

I don't know what he pulled out of his pocket, but most of his answers, Kerry pulled out of his ass!

[Warlady]

I watched it. He definitely pulled something from his pocket. That was against the rules.

[Warlady]

We are watching on our 36" television in slow motion. Kerry thought his back was to the camera when he pulled his cheat sheet or PDA or maybe even some kind of communication device out of his pocket. You know somthing that could allow his advisors to give him text messages? He thought he was slick. This is a huge scandal. Now that it has been discovered Fox news will take it apart frame by frame. So much for Kerry winning the first debate.

[meshuga_mikey]

Cork Bat--- Cheat Sheets ----and 25 Thousand Lawyers -----at the ready on Election Day

are these puke running just a little bit scared??




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[Warlady]

Mikey I love your chewing gum. What Kerry did looks real bad. He's really toasted now. He didn't know there was a camera behind the podium. It's very obvious when you watch the video in slow motion on a large screen television. It's easier to see it than on the Drudge video. Much much much more obvious.

[DoctorDoom]

The sKerryite media will completely ignore it, but had the president done that, it would be Abu Ghraib the Sequel with the coverage that would ensue. The RATs have no shame and their media cat's-paws are worse.

[Blowback]

Too bad the story will never gain traction with the mainstream media. It is up to US to make a LOUD noise about it.

[CaliGirl]

Just re-read the questions - look for this sort of BS.
Lehrer claims the questions were not preplanned or partisan and that no one knew what the questions would be?
WTF is this then?
In kerry's 90 second response to Bush's first question Kerry saysKerry gets the very next question 10 seconds later and WHAT is it?
The next questions stays on Kerry's side still:
Next question for Kerry - notice how he does not pick up on any of Bush's points and drill Kerry on them? - no. he asks

Next - bringing troops home from Iraq.


Next Lehrer we see another soft set up ---

Kerrys says in response to Bush:
and this is Lehrer's prompt - HE reminds Americans of Kerry's big day in 1971 - (noting that he has mentioned nothing of what Bush has accomplished)....but has this non-partisan non- preplanned question all ready to go? RIGHT!?

Next Lehrer asks Bush about something that he NEVER said and makes it seem as if he had just said it ------>such bullshit belongs in a barn:

Again attacking Bush - Lehrer asks Kerry: (please note not one question has asked Bush anything about Kerry's questionable statements of record, and yet this is 3 softball questions to Kerry leading him right into his attack points...this is pure BS.

I can go on through the entire 90 minutes - it was a complete set up for Kerry - Kerry adresses Lehrer as "Jim" adressing him directly. Bush always adressed the audience.

And in the end Kerry winks at Jim Lehrer with a nod of approval - watch the tape - you will see it.
Total softball set up -

Bush is had.


With this sort of forum he is toast.I do know at one point, GWB was supposed to have a 60 second rebuttal, but Jim Lehrer did not say so. Did anyone catch this? I don't know where it was, but I mentioned it to CaliBoy, and he said, "oh yeah, he was".

Can't wait for Friday! I know GWB will knock out skerry in the first round! We are ordering pizza for dinner, instead of going out! :patriot: Matt Drudge is saying debate #3 is going to be the best for GWB! Time will tell.

Let the FIGHT begin skerry! You are TOAST or should I say FLUSHED? :flushlib.

[meshuga_mikey]

Mikey I love your chewing gum. What Kerry did looks real bad. He's really toasted now. He didn't know there was a camera behind the podium. It's very obvious when you watch the video in slow motion on a large screen television. It's easier to see it than on the Drudge video. Much much much more obvious.


thanks,,,,,,,,the Gum Is on Special ar JohnJohnMart all Month

I didnt even see the debate I was here slaving in front of my monitor but what I heard dod NOT sound like the W I know and love.

I could SMELL the tension....but had no IDEA of what the whole thing seemed so strange. thing jut didnt FIT together

I sa The PREZ in NYC on 9-12 adn under all that stress he did not buckel in the least

THIS "deabte was clearly not on the same level as 911 and yet here is the leader of the Free World sounding horribly stressed...??

RED AUDIO FLAGS were in evidence. I left thi office feeling like id been hit by a truck adn dragged for miles..still not getting what sort of DISSONANCE had casued that level of stress

when i first saw the STILLS of Mister Ed reaching into his pocket.... it hit me like a ton of bricks ...HERE was the reaon that W was so stressed. HERES what caused that uncharacteristic dissonance I heard in the PREZ voice.

this is john kerrys BLUE DRESS MOMENT and we know hes not prepared for anything like this.

Ive been of the mind that swillary set em from the start....and I am willing to put my money in this little incident being a James Carville Special Event designed to trash any last shred of credibilty that some might think the Mister Ed Campain HAD.

matt Drudge claims that tomorrows NEW YORL TIMES will be running this as THE HEADLINE. they almost have to get the jump on it.......to avoid being called complicate..[ .I only slightly jest ]

Swillary unt Carviell dont realize that a backfire of this magnitude may take the FIFTY YEARS longer than swillary can wait to run for the office of the Presidency to RECOVER FROM.

let the cookies crumble where they may

I predict that we will see an ANKLE CAM on John Edwards come Tuesday to avoid a repeat of this mess so isnt able to retrieve a cheat sheet hidden in his socks

[meshuga_mikey]

Too bad the story will never gain traction with the mainstream media. It is up to US to make a LOUD noise about it.


Matt Drudge reported on his ABC Radio Show this evening not an hour agao that the New York Times was going to HEADLINE this story.

He also mentioned that the HITS hsi server was getting were o heavy dude to the story that the VIDEO Feeds were slowing donw hi servers

this is Kerrys Blue Dress Moment and it Will be covered by the MSM if only to own it . and get in the FIRST SPIN.

If the NYT does indeed lead with it EVERYONE will have picked it up by noon.

THEN we will see some indepth TV journalism

No I dont think Dman Blather will cover this on Sisty minutes II however

[The_Sonarman]

Too bad the story will never gain traction with the mainstream media. It is up to US to make a LOUD noise about it.-Blowback

That's OK. The Dan Rather story didn't rely on mainstream media investigating it, either. In fact, the story gained traction in spite of MSM.

I think Kerry himself may have handed the Dems an unpleasant "October Surprise".

[Warlady]

I don't know Mikey. The way Kerry acted tells me he didn't know there was a camera on him from behind the podiums. He was doing a slight of hand with either a crib note or cheat sheet or a palm computer. He pulled SOMETHING out of his pocket and placed it on the podium from behind when he didn't think he was "on camera". I don't know who's bright idea it was to do that but clearly he thought he had to cheat to win. I don't think Bush's performance had anything to do with Kerry's cheating. Bush wasn't watching Kerry when he pulled his little slight of hand. At the very same time Kerry was pulling his cheat Bush was putting both hands on the podium in clear vision. You need to get a copy of the beginning of the debate and watch it in slow motion.

[RayChuang]

That's OK. The Dan Rather story didn't rely on mainstream media investigating it, either. In fact, the story gained traction in spite of MSM. If Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do mention this fact the Democrats better start running for cover because that will cause the conservative blogs to start a major investigation--and you know how these blogs literally blew the cover on the CBS News scandal. One thing that could be particularly damaging to Senator Kerry's campaign is if they suddenly find out that moderator Jim Lehrer actually gave the questions in advance to the Kerry campaign--shades of the game show scandals from the late 1950's! http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/disagree/18.gif

[Warlady]

Ray, my husband and I were talking about that very subject tonight. Kerry was just too ready for the questions. And we all know Leher is a liberal. He claims he has never voted but I don't believe him any more than I believe any other lib.

[Warlady]

John Kerry is history folks. Once Americans see him cheating. That's it.

[The_Sonarman]

John Kerry is history folks. Once Americans see him cheating. That's it.

Stick a fork in him.... he's done.

[Warlady]

Stick a fork in him.... he's done.Absotively posilutely. And the Democrats can't blame the Republicans for this. They only have Kerry to blame. Blaming us will only make them look silly and even more guilty. I hope they do blame us come to think of it. They never can take responsibility for their own stupidity.

[speed_addiction]

On DU they will be saying shit like, "He HAD to cheat! For the good of America, Bush HAD to lose!"

[meshuga_mikey]

That's OK. The Dan Rather story didn't rely on mainstream media investigating it, either. In fact, the story gained traction in spite of MSM.

I think Kerry himself may have handed the Dems an unpleasant "October Surprise".


I just saw the video for the First Time moments ago



I dont have a Windows machine so Ive watied for this MOV file

I can tesitfy .he did indeed take out a flat object from his inside suit coat pocket and place it on the lectern.

we may have to do a "2000 take it to the streets" repeat........ if the media cant fnd the wherewithall to show this video

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

brak,

You beat me to the punch ... yesterday I did a search and got the debate transcript. I went through the questions because something was nagging at me about the whole shebang, and I couldn't quite put my finger on just what it was.

I noticed the exact same thing you did ... those questions were too "perfect" for the scenario painted by Lehrer that he alone knew the content of the questions because they were prepared by him. It wouldn't surprise me at ALL if the cheat sheet Kerry pulled from his pocket was the questions -- that way, no matter in what order Lehrer asked them, he would always be prepared with his preplanned answers, as well as a set up for Lehrer to sandbag President Bush.

This is OUTRAGEOUS, I don't understand why something can't be done about this! The message about this debate-debacle should be gotten out before the NEXT one on Tuesday (it is Tuesday, isn't it?). Oh that's right, it's the Veep Debate ... well, I still think something needs to be done to show that the dems DO NOT KEEP THEIR WORD when it comes to agreements such as the one for the first debate.

You know, I have taught my children that hate of a person is wrong and that we should hate no one, but instead hate the sin. Lately it is becoming more and more difficult to separate the sinner from his sin.

[nosferatuscoffin]

Matt Drudge reported on his ABC Radio Show this evening not an hour agao that the New York Times was going to HEADLINE this story.

As of 1:13am, the NYT's website does not even mention it in it's headlines. We shall see, but I would not hold my breath on it.

[meshuga_mikey]

I don't know Mikey. The way Kerry acted tells me he didn't know there was a camera on him from behind the podiums. He was doing a slight of hand with either a crib note or cheat sheet or a palm computer. He pulled SOMETHING out of his pocket and placed it on the podium from behind when he didn't think he was "on camera". I don't know who's bright idea it was to do that but clearly he thought he had to cheat to win. I don't think Bush's performance had anything to do with Kerry's cheating. Bush wasn't watching Kerry when he pulled his little slight of hand. At the very same time Kerry was pulling his cheat Bush was putting both hands on the podium in clear vision. You need to get a copy of the beginning of the debate and watch it in slow motion.

having just seen the video I as a MOV on my mac Im willing to give it a very educated trained eye guess and say it was a flat object of group of THIN flat objects as in PAPERS

it was ONE single unitary move from the removal to the placement on the lecturn NOT omething anyone would do if thyer werent HIDING something

WAAAAAAAY too slick,,but not quite slick enough to avoid having been recorded for two different angles;

Love the split screen veiw....

hes too NAIVE to have thought that the cameras would catch em

carville..... it had to be carville

[meshuga_mikey]

As of 1:13am, the NYT's website does not even mention it in it's headlines. We shall see, but I would not hold my breath on it.
Nope the NYT site have what there calling a can of the front page on thier site ....anda as you can see its not on the front page


http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/10/03/nytfrontpage/scan.jpg


the videos sure are getting around though


http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov

[meshuga_mikey]

hmmmmmm


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we pajamamhdeen have struck again John John

[Apollo5600]

Quick reply

I just heard on Fox and Friends they are claiming it was a black pen, I'm unsure who "they" is however, just what I heard them reporting... looking at that video it appears more like a peice of paper.

[DoctorDoom]

Here's a brightness/gamma-enhanced blowup of an incriminating frame. Nothing else was altered. Tell me that's not a white, square-cornered paper or notepad.

[DoctorDoom]

And again, later frame. If that's a black pen, I'm the Emperor of Mars.

[Samcat]

That is why when the President deals with the guy from CBS, he should quip, "Do you have any more fraudulent documents that you want to share with the country?

Then immediately to Kerry: "Did any of these questions get cleared by Joe Lockhart?"

He won't, but were I President Bush, I would.

[Apollo5600]

I just heard Fox and Friends on it momentarily again, Mancow brought it up and they replied "yes they did a indepth study on the video and they say it was a black pen" they didn't give any more information then that, and I have yet heard them mention even if it was it still violated debate rules.

[ReneeM]

That is definately paper not a black pen. Remember dumb ass Kerry said to GWB in the debates about GWB wanting to respond to the BS Kerry just spoke and Kerry said "Well why don't we just change all the rules?" Well horse face looks like you already did! Gosh i detest that man!!:flame:

[tacitus]

I just heard Fox and Friends on it momentarily again, Mancow brought it up and they replied "yes they did a indepth study on the video and they say it was a black pen" they didn't give any more information then that, and I have yet heard them mention even if it was it still violated debate rules.
We know how those 'indepth' studies turn out, any damn way they want them to.

[Warlady]

Paper and pen were supplied. A black pen would have showed up. It doesn't.

[Apollo5600]

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm

Ok, heres more on the black pen stuff.



But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen. So do they have video from another angle or something?

[Apollo5600]

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php

Here is a blogger site noted on the news link that is on the case, if it hasn't already been put down.

[Warlady]

The NY Post has an article about it

DEM FLASHED 'WRITE' STUFF AT DEBATE
By GERSH KUNTZMAN
http://www.nypost.com/img/storynav/envelope.gif Email (http://www.nypost.com/efriend/efriend_gv.htm?headline=DEM FLASHED 'WRITE' STUFF AT DEBATE&byline=By GERSH KUNTZMAN&url=http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm)http://www.nypost.com/img/storynav/document.gif Archives (http://pqarchiver.nypost.com/nypost/)http://www.nypost.com/img/storynav/printer.gif Print (http://www.nypost.com/cgi-bin/printfriendly.pl)http://www.nypost.com/img/storynav/c.gif Reprint (http://www.nypost.com/reprints/reprints.htm)October 4, 2004 -- Was John Kerry trying to pull something at the debate last week?


That question was burning up the Internet yesterday after a slo-mo review of the footage showed the Massachusetts senator taking an object out of his right pocket before the first question.

Was it a cheat sheet — as some conservative bloggers claimed — or was it something innocuous?

Either way, it would violate the debate rules agreed to by both campaigns: "No props, notes . . . or other tangible things may be brought into the debate."

Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium. But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.

Click to read the rest (http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm)

[Apollo5600]

I've been looking at the video, still looks like a non-pen object to me. I'd like to see what they saw.

[Apollo5600]

The pen or pencil he uses immiediatly after he brings out the "black pen" appears to be white but I'm not sure. Does he ever use a black pen throughout the debate?

Edit:He pulls out what looks like a notepad or something with his left hand, places it on the podium and it looks like he unfolds it. And with his right hand it looks like he picks up a white colored pen and writes with it.

[Blowback]

Yup, I recall the pen being white, too.

[DoctorDoom]

I fetched the Quicktime version (http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov), which has greater resolution. If that's a black pen that he took out of his pocket, then it's time to trade my eyes in for a new set.

Why are they constantly covering up for this arsehole?

BTW, the Quicktime player sucks for frame-by-frame viewing. If you don't have it already, fetch Irfanview (http://www.irfanview.com/) and the plugins. It can play MOV files, and the left-right arrows do frame-by-frame steps. The space bar starts the play, pauses and restarts.

As a bonus, Irfanview is the Swiss army knife of freebie graphic viewers.

[Apollo5600]

My dang quicktime player doesn't want to work anymore.. Perhaps when I used Msconfig to remove some of the clutter that starts up on my computer, I took out quicktime.

Eitherway, I am quite sure of it now. He takes something out with his left hand, his right hand goes up to meet it as it is put down on the podium (like you would if it were paper.)

If he was just switching the pen from one hand to another, then the pen in his right hand would of been black instead of white. IMO, it was a peice of paper, he unfolds it, picks up a pen and begins writing a few seconds after.

Edit:
Forgot to mention

The commies over at the INDC blog are accusing Bush of doing the samething. They claim he unfolds a paper on his podium after his right hand pulls into view (supposedly out of a pocket). One of them also commented "Its obvious we need a full-frontal Bush shot."

[The_Elucidator]

Edit:
Forgot to mention

The commies over at the INDC blog are accusing Bush of doing the samething. They claim he unfolds a paper on his podium after his right hand pulls into view (supposedly out of a pocket). One of them also commented "Its obvious we need a full-frontal Bush shot."
Oh yeah - If Dubya pulled a paper out it was definitely the answers to the wrong test. Those people are just morons.

"If you ever want to see what the Democrats are up to, just listen to what they are accusing the Republicans of doing".

Jim Quinn

[meshuga_mikey]

I fetched the Quicktime version (http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov), which has greater resolution. If that's a black pen that he took out of his pocket, then it's time to trade my eyes in for a new set.

Why are they constantly covering up for this arsehole?

BTW, the Quicktime player sucks for frame-by-frame viewing. If you don't have it already, fetch Irfanview (http://www.irfanview.com/) and the plugins. It can play MOV files, and the left-right arrows do frame-by-frame steps. The space bar starts the play, pauses and restarts.

As a bonus, Irfanview is the Swiss army knife of freebie graphic viewers.



that right............if thats a pen .........Im Charman Mao's MAMA



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at this point......... Im willing to say its a PDA

it quite stunning watching his CHEEKS...and that crap eating grin change... as he moves to place the PDA? on the top of the lectern

WHERE IS THIS IN THE NEWS? Im stunned

[meshuga_mikey]

My dang quicktime player doesn't want to work anymore.. Perhaps when I used Msconfig to remove some of the clutter that starts up on my computer, I took out quicktime.

Eitherway, I am quite sure of it now. He takes something out with his left hand, his right hand goes up to meet it as it is put down on the podium (like you would if it were paper.)

If he was just switching the pen from one hand to another, then the pen in his right hand would of been black instead of white. IMO, it was a peice of paper, he unfolds it, picks up a pen and begins writing a few seconds after.

Edit:
Forgot to mention

The commies over at the INDC blog are accusing Bush of doing the samething. They claim he unfolds a paper on his podium after his right hand pulls into view (supposedly out of a pocket). One of them also commented "Its obvious we need a full-frontal Bush shot."

pen operated pda?

[Apollo5600]

Nah, well I don't know.

Who picked up his spy-gear from the podium anyway? One of his own people? And is there shots from the rear view of the podium as soon as he moves his fat-a** outof the way?

[Apollo5600]

It appears Fox-news may have sent up an article about this already. Producer says he is 99% sure it is a black pen, looking for link...

[Apollo5600]

Hmm no Link, but I'll post up what INDC provided (which broke it I believe).

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001066.php

"What he takes out of his pocket ... I'm almost 99% sure that it's a pen. It's a black, oblong object," a FOX News producer told INDC Journal.
------------

Wierd though, toobad Fox can't release the stills they used to find this out. The pen he used directly afterwards appeared white, so why did he switch pens? Or am I wrong?

Wieeerd.

[meshuga_mikey]

Hmm no Link, but I'll post up what INDC provided (which broke it I believe).

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001066.php

"What he takes out of his pocket ... I'm almost 99% sure that it's a pen. It's a black, oblong object," a FOX News producer told INDC Journal.
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Wierd though, toobad Fox can't release the stills they used to find this out. The pen he used directly afterwards appeared white, so why did he switch pens? Or am I wrong?

Wieeerd.



he got a PEN in his RIGHT HAND as he appoaches the podium

what he pulled from his suitcoat pocket...... with his LEFT HAND... is a PDA

the pen was in his RIGHT HAND to begin USING the PDA as soon as he placed it on top of the lectern

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/Pointerpen.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/PenRightHand.jpg

its clearly a pen.......so why would he have had a another PEN in his Suitcoat Pocket?


having been focusning on his LEFT hand......Id missed the PEN in the right hadn entirelu up until now
I want more resolution .

[Apollo5600]

I noticed that he slapped his right hand into his legg after he was done waving, then he clenched it making it look offly suspecious. But I'm having trouble seeing that pen.

[meshuga_mikey]

I noticed that he slapped his right hand into his legg after he was done waving, then he clenched it making it look offly suspecious. But I'm having trouble seeing that pen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/PenBlur.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/PenRightHand.jpg

the backgrounds of the pen in hand image do of course differ ..in that in the kerry at the podium photo...... the background is far darker and his pen in hand far. less well lit.

the "twin": Images of the pen in hand..... one BLURRED a copy of.the orignal ..are hopefully similar enough to satisfy all but the most doubtful as to what kerry was carring in his right hand and in fact why many SAW him using a light colored pen .[.silver perhaps as are many PDA pens].....at the podium.... to operate the PDA.

[Chris]

That doesn't look like a white piece of paper to me. It looks like one of those gray electronic note pad things.

[Keith J]

Just my guess...
'twas something black...Blackberry!

http://www.blackberry.com/

Now for video reconstruction since there are at least 5 frames with the object relatively still. By using 5 distinct images of low resolution, an image of much higher resolution can be constructed using computerized image tools. The resolution of the final image will be of higher quality than the original.

[Warlady]

The bottom line is he violated the debate rules. That speaks volumes about his character. Or should I say lack of it?

[Apollo5600]

Fox news is going to have a bit on it during "special report?" with Brit Hume at 6pm Estearn, probably with views from another angle.

[Riverboat]

From NRO's The Corner, one poster wonders aloud, "Why is noone jumping on the Kerry debate cheating story? It it really is a huge indication of character, and should be pursued."

Well, maybe they'd have commented he had taken notes out of his underwear and socks. But, then again, . . . :question:

[nosferatuscoffin]

If he had done that, it would have been called "performance art". Of course, he should have just pulled it out of his ass, since that is where all of his answers came from anyway.

[meshuga_mikey]

That doesn't look like a white piece of paper to me. It looks like one of those gray electronic note pad things.


personal Digital Assitant...aka PDA in one hand.......the left hand....Pen in the other or Right Hand

see above photos ........prepared especially for comparison to video footage of the skerry right hand and light colored pen

[meshuga_mikey]

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/doubleFaceGum.jpg*

[TheKellyCrew]

Rush and Hannity poo-pooed this entire story today!!!! I was cursing at my radio :hissyfit:

They helped make it a non-story while complaining that that the media ignored it. Rush attaboyed himself for predicting that Kerry would cheat....then went on to say that the story is no big deal :question:

[ForgedPiston]

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/doubleFaceGum.jpg
*I love this, thanks for sharing! :claps:

[meshuga_mikey]

Rush and Hannity poo-pooed this entire story today!!!! I was cursing at my radio :hissyfit:

They helped make it a non-story while complaining that that the media ignored it. Rush attaboyed himself for predicting that Kerry would cheat....then went on to say that the story is no big deal :question:


Well we'd best Keep QUIET then......... or we may be thought of a some sort of CULT or another eh ? :devilange

I WANT to see the High Resolution Images

we can all tell ten people to tell ten people and bypass the "media" if they choose to remain MUM about this. I guess that may be what were doing right now :D

[Warlady]

I'm surprised at Rush.

[meshuga_mikey]

I love this, thanks for sharing! :claps:
wait theres more ....

if you order today .....we'll throw in a John kerry Bumper sticker


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/SureLosermanSmall.jpg

next week's special offer.... will be the special edition JOHN KERRY MODEL Personal Digital Assistant™....... FULLY LOADED with the questions and answers from the forthcomomg Presidential Debate :thumb:

[Apollo5600]

Ok it just came on, it was a frontal picture of it, it appeared to be a skinny black thing sticking out of his closed hand, I don't think it was visible or not from our view. Plus, I only got about 3 seconds to look at it before he switched to another topic.

[meshuga_mikey]

I'm surprised at Rush.


It is my form belief that the President presented with the option of making any complaint during or after the debate realized the depth of the depravity of the dimowack party and simply refused to give them anything they could use as ammunition against them.

He came to the deabte to enagage in a debate and thus while present at the deabte..... chose to bite the bullet and give the American Public His Best In the debate.regardless of the considerable stress it put him under.

The Presidents knowing better than anyone.at that point ....that last weeks debate wasnt going to be the last debate he remained silent after the deabte in order to #1 not be accused by the WHINERS of taking any advantage FAIR or otherwise due o his vile opponents lack of character and integrity.

the left NOW has nothing they can complain about adn the President has a REAL CLEAR SHOT at johhny boy...which would not have been th case had he protested the events in the first debate.

Im guessing that that sort of display of resolve had to have scared any dimocrat with the smallest sliver of a conscience.

that old saying about wrestling with pigs.....ill is true

no matter the outcome of sucha match one always ends up... covered with MUD.

President GWB is as clean as when he entered the hall for that poor excuse for a debate

kerry on the other hand .....well enough about that PUKE

[Keith J]

I'm surprised at Rush.
Gateway conservative talkshow host. He won't talk about it out of fear of being "Rathered" by the omnipresent vermin.

Try Michael Savage...will listen tonight to the truncated Houston airing (missing the first hour) and report back.

[Apollo5600]

It was a skinny black pointy thing.. It looked like he was holding it with one end pointing into his palm (like he is being crucified) with the other out, thus we probably couldn't see it. Course the pic was only on for a few seconds.

Odd that he bothered to take it out and used the white pen instead!

Edit: Unless it was only half black, or if the cap was half long and was a lighter color underneath?

[meshuga_mikey]

I'm surprised at Rush.


Rush.? OH I thought you;d said BUSH..........see above message :eek:

[DoctorDoom]

Rush's rationale was that pursuing it would not change the outcome of the debate. Obviously that's true, but he failed to look at the bigger picture that if Horseface got away with bringing in an unapproved object, then the rules of the debates might as well be written on toilet paper. They'll be violated again, even more brazenly.

Food for thought: the RATs bitched about the time-remaining lights being on the podiums. Could it be that they didn't want the light to draw attention to the podium while sKerry was using his "pen"?

[Wyatt_Junker]

This is what El Fuqur was schpoze to have at the lectern.

And this is all.

A blank sheet of paper and a pen.
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/kerry-lectern-01.jpg

[meshuga_mikey]

This is what El Fuqur was schpoze to have at the lectern.

And this is all.

A blank sheet of paper and a pen.
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/kerry-lectern-01.jpg
isnt that MICHAEL MOORE over on the far left of that Image? :eek:

[BEST45CAL]

Try Michael Savage...will listen tonight to the truncated Houston airing (missing the first hour) and report back.Michael Weiner (Savage is a "stage name") is a conservative who hates George W. Bush for several reasons.

Michael Savage claims he is the one who coined the phrase "compassionate conservative" several years ago and that George W. Bush stole it from him. Savage also disagrees with the president's stand on immigration and is an ardent supporter of Pat Buchanan.

Savage is a very successful San Francisco radio host who had a daily talk program at KSFO. He left to pursue a TV show (at the height of the success of his radio program) with a cable network.

KSFO replaced Savage with the Sean Hannity.

Savage is an admitted former Berkeley educated liberal and is probably more famous for the phrase "Red diaper doper babies."

[Warlady]

Well according to the new poll numbers just released today Kerry not only didn't gain anything from the debate he lost ground. Apparently the only poll question he won was "Did Kerry win the debate" bfd. Oh wait he feels your pain more by 1% and he wins on health care and one poll the economy. Since I don't believe health care is either a right or the governments responsibility I just don't get that question. Yes the government should assist those who really need it. I don't believe in being heartless but I think when people do get back on their feet they should have to at least try to pay it back. I feel the same way about welfare checks and food stamps.

Here are the new numbers. They were announced on Fox news so I don't have a link.

Approval Rating:
Pew poll: Bush 49%, Kerry 44% among likely voters, among reg voters Bush 48%, Kerry 41%.

ABC poll Bush 51%, Kerry 46%
Zogby Bush 46% Kerry 43%

Additional numbers in the ABC poll.
Strong leader - Bush 58% Kerry 37%
Will make country safer - Bush 52% Kerry 40%
Honest and trustworthy - Bush 50% Kerry 39%
Better qualified as CIC - Bush 52% Kerry 43%
Understands your problems - Bush 44% Kerry 45%
*Dems usually have a high number on that last one but they are tied


Pew Poll additional questions:
Economy - Bush 40% Kerry 46% (shaking head)
Situation in Iraq - Bush 50% Kerry 40%
Terrorism - Bush 57% Kerry 32%
Health Care - Bush 31% Kerry 49% (Shaking head)
Strong leader - Bush 57% Kerry 32%
Honest and truthful - Bush 47% Kerry 34%
Good in crisis - Bush 51% Kerry 37%
Willing to take unpopular stand - Bush 68% Kerry 23%!!! LOL

Mort Kondracke just said that it appears that Americans have made up their minds and if terrorism and Iraq continue to be the number one issues then he doesn't see any way Kerry can win based on those poll numbers and I agree.

[tacitus]

Understands your problems - Bush 44% Kerry 45%
People can't be that stupid! This billionaire and his bridezilla didn't know what stuff was on a Wendy's menu, and he understands my problems? These people are being hoodwinked by Kerry's handlers thayt tell him what to say, and they are too stupid to understand it. :duh:

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/doggie.gif

[Warlady]

Uh tac? I think that's why they're Kerry voters LOLOL Kerryacs. Kerryatrics?

[Warlady]

I know we're off topic but I think it's shameless the way so many Americans have forgotten 911. Especially Gorons who right after 911 were too embarrassed to even admit they voted for Owlsnore. They are about to repeat the same mistake twice. I just don't understand it. And they're voting for another algore who believes the rules don't apply to him. I despise liberal elitist snobs like the Kerrys.

[meshuga_mikey]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/Beef2.jpg

[meshuga_mikey]

People can't be that stupid! This billionaire and his bridezilla didn't know what stuff was on a Wendy's menu, and he understands my problems? These people are being hoodwinked by Kerry's handlers thayt tell him what to say, and they are too stupid to understand it. :duh:

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/doggie.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/DetroitSlim/DasJohnJohnBot2.jpg

[Longhorn_Platinum]

ABC poll Bush 51%, Kerry 46%


Additional numbers in the ABC poll.
Honest and trustworthy - Bush 50% Kerry 39%

:duh: At least 7% of Kerry's voters don't trust him?

[SouthernReBelle]

You know, someone once wrote: Vote your conscience, not your party. I figure that Kerry's voters are finally thinking for once.
Heather

[Chris]

personal Digital Assitant...aka PDA in one hand.......the left hand....Pen in the other or Right Hand

see above photos ........prepared especially for comparison to video footage of the skerry right hand and light colored pen

Thanks Mikey. My daughter has one of those PDA things, I just didn't know what they were called.

As for the pix, I was going by the still frames that were posted when I recognized that PDA thing. I too had heard the "black pen" explanation earlier today, and I can see where the pix you posted explains that portion of it, but it's obvious that is just the tip of the iceberg.

[nosferatuscoffin]

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/kerry-lectern-01.jpg

That pix looks like an appeal from the Homeless and Hopeless Hollywood Actors Guild.

Michael Moore (or is that Molly Yard?) on the left, Dan Scardino (the guy who did the Snickers commercials and the movie "Squirm" in the mid 70's) in the middle and Richard Belzer looking swarminly at the camera like he is gonna punch the damn thing harder then he would Ice-T, if he had the guts.

[Samcat]

Uh tac? I think that's why they're Kerry voters LOLOL Kerryacs. Kerryatrics?
Don't laugh, Warlady. Kerryatrics is a serious disease. Those that suffer from it suffer from dementia, wild bouts of paranoia, and a serious lack of touch from reality.

It can be treated with strong doses of common sense, which unfortunately is found in short supply these days.

We are still working for a cure!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Thanks to Doctor Doom's help, I was finally able to download QuickTime and watch the JFKCheat movie.

All the focus seems to be on what Kerry pulled out of his coat with his left hand. However, I want to know what Kerry had in his RIGHT hand as he approached the podium and immediately after he arrived at the podium. Clearly he had something white and rectangular in his right hand. Was it a set of crib notes? Was it a PDA? Whatever it was, it is clear that Kerry broke the rules.

[Jeffrho]

Kerry's cheat sheet:

http://www.fraterslibertas.com/Images/Politics/kerrycheatsheet.jpg

[rowl2021]

Well folks, I've got bad news for you. It was a pen.

[Suzie]

I thought the pottery barn rule was you break it you BUY it???? I guess if your woman pays for all your screw ups that might not apply. Then you don't BUY anything you expect someone to hand it to you and "fix" things so they are Allll better.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Well folks, I've got bad news for you. It was a pen.

I never saw a pen thar was rectangular and about 1 1/2 to 2 inches wide like the object that Kerry had in his right hand as he approached the podium.

[Rink]

What is needed anymore in ANY debate is the removal of podiums that hide activity of the hands i.e. make em plain and flat so that all can see whats goin on, onstage, that way there will be no more chances of chicanery, cheating, cheat-sheets and the such anymore.

[Chris]

Well folks, I've got bad news for you. It was a pen.

Yeah, in his right hand probably. However, we're talking about what he pulled out of his pocket with his left hand.

Regardless, and what you don't seem to be grasping, even a pen was a violation.

[True American]

I watched it again on the VCR Tape I made of the debate. I didn't actually see anything at all in his hand, but I did see him make the gesture. Maybe he was tucking in his green mucus filled snot rag.