Presidential Debate: Round 3

[Naturalized-Texan]

John Kerry told a cruel lie Friday night (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/george200410090039.asp)

Every reporter covering the election should, after the second presidential debate in St. Louis, be demanding of Kerry an answer to the following question: Who are the scientists who told you that "we have the option" of curing Parkinson's, diabetes, spinal-cord injuries, or any other disease using embryonic stem cells? If they won't ask him, the Bush campaign should defy him to name the names. He won't be able to do it. No scientists — even those most pro-Kerry and aggressively in favor of the federal funding of embryo-destructive research — ever told Kerry any such thing.

What Kerry has done here is told the big lie about embryonic stem cells. The claim that "we have the option" of curing Parkinson's disease, diabetes, etc. with embryonic stem cells is outrageous.

{More at the link above.}

[rowl2021]

"the Bush campaign should defy him to name the names."

:wish4Z:

They just don't have the stones to make such an accusation. They're treading on thin ice as it is.

[Naturalized-Texan]

They just don't have the stones to make such an accusation. They're treading on thin ice as it is.

Kerry's the one who is skating on thin ice and is about to drown. Kerry faces a Reaganesque landslide defeat like Mondale's in 1984.

[el presidente]

hmmm...i didnt even think about that. awesome point/post

[Taylor]

I think it will be closer than you think. I think it will be 270 Bush 269 Kerry.

[Samcat]

The Samcat poll has it at 51 percent for the President and possible electoral landslide.

Trust it!

[Large_Al]

"In Samcat We Trust!!"

[Naturalized-Texan]

I think it will be closer than you think. I think it will be 270 Bush 269 Kerry.

An Ivy League professor who has correctly predicted the results of the last several presidential elections based on the economy, has predicted that President Bush will get 57.5% of the vote plus-or-minus 2.5%. That would translate into a Reaganesque landslide win for Bush.

[The_Elucidator]

I think it will be closer than you think. I think it will be 270 Bush 269 Kerry.
If it's that close then the Rats are cheating because there is only 538 votes.

:smirky:

[rowl2021]

An Ivy League professor who has correctly predicted the results of the last several presidential elections based on the economy, has predicted that President Bush will get 57.5% of the vote plus-or-minus 2.5%. That would translate into a Reaganesque landslide win for Bush.
:claps:

I like your use of varied and informed sources there.

[Warlady]

sKerry and Edwards are politicizing Christopher Reeves death. It's pathetic. As pathetic as using Wellstone's funeral for a political rally. People don't like it when you do that. It's tacky. Edwards, a sleazy lawyer, actually had the audacity to say that if you elect them people will be walking out of their wheelchairs. That is an outright baldfaced typical lawyer liberal lie.

[DesertFox]

As in Dimotacks.

[Warlady]

I couldn't believe my ears. But what do you expect from a liberal lawyer?

[Naturalized-Texan]

I like your use of varied and informed sources there.
Thanks for your kind compliment. I'm glad that you have finally come to your senses.

[Golgo 13]

An Ivy League professor who has correctly predicted the results of the last several presidential elections based on the economy, has predicted that President Bush will get 57.5% of the vote plus-or-minus 2.5%. That would translate into a Reaganesque landslide win for Bush.

Anything less than 10% can hardly be considered a "landslide" victory.

[BEST45CAL]

Some polls put Bush and Kerry in a statistical dead heat, prompting some to say that this debate could be a "do-or-die" situation for either candidate.

The format will be 90 minutes of domestic policy questions and moderated by Bob Schiffer of CBS. People suggest that Kerry's background makes him better at this, but he doesn't have much of a lead despite his past performances.

The president's performance tonight will be compared with his first performance, but I think that he will do much better tonight. I think the difference will be remarkable.

Are you uneasy about the president's abilities tonight? The topic is domestic policy, plus they are going back to the debate style that was used in the first debate.

Will people be more compelled to watch this final debate or choose to watch the Sox and Yankees duke it out?

[tacitus]

Here is a comparison of the candidates Health Care plans. This is one issue that will be hotly contested tonight.


Link to the article (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-10-12-opposes_x.htm)

Bush plan gives people reins

By Tim Adams

The United States has the best health care system in the world, but financial barriers prevent too many Americans from getting the affordable coverage they need. President Bush is taking action to help more Americans get affordable, high-quality health care.
Because of his leadership, Medicare now has a voluntary prescription drug benefit. All beneficiaries are eligible for drug cards that save seniors up to 60% off the cost of drugs and provide low-income seniors with a $600 annual subsidy. The new law also speeds generic medicines to market, saving all Americans $35 billion during the next 10 years.



Link to the article. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-10-12-third_x.htm)

Kerry plan ensures access

By Sarah Bianchi

George W. Bush and John Kerry have entirely different approaches on health care. Since President Bush took office, 5 million Americans have lost their health insurance, family premiums have increased by more than $3,500, and prescription drug prices are pushing seniors to the brink.
For four years, Bush has done nothing to curb rising health costs. Kerry believes we need an ambitious plan to address these increases that are squeezing our families and hurting American business.

[Faithful_Servant]

Anything less than 10% can hardly be considered a "landslide" victory.Shhhh...you're interupting the adults.

[Sinanju]

"Are you uneasy about the president's abilities tonight? The topic is domestic policy, plus they are going back to the debate style that was used in the first debate.

Will people be more compelled to watch this final debate or choose to watch the Sox and Yankees duke it out?"

Nah! not really too worried about this debate....

One reason and nobody has hit upon it....

President Bush's favorite president is Ronald Reagan... Look at the Reagan/Mondale battles and you may find an amazing corellary there....

And I think many republicans WILL watch the game instead of the debate... so expect the media and polls to "call" the debate for Kerry...

I think that Bush has a SOLID domestic policy agenda and we may hear about his plans for an "ownership" society... and that should seal the deal!<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[tacitus]

Kerry sounds like a snake oil salesman with all the 'plans' he has in store for all Americans. Since he has been a Senator, how many of these plans has he introduced in the Senate? That's a question I'd like to see him answer tonight, and I'm sure that if he's asked a tap dance will take place rather than an honest and straight forward answer.

[ReneeM]

I'm not uneasy about the debate. I have all confidence in GWB:) I may need to brew some coffee as i am worried i will zonk out as soon as the kids are put to bed! Actually i would LOVE to go to sleep right now but not a good idea with a 3 yr old running around!lol

[Taylor]

I think Bush will do great tonight. Since he'll be up past his bedtime he's have to drink some coffee to stay away.

[Maggie_T]

I'm not sure I'm going to listen to the whole thing. If I hear Kerry bleat out "I have a plan!" once more, I'll throw something at the TV.

[BEST45CAL]

Debate just started. They look like twins. Dark suit, white shirt, red tie w/dots. LOL

[dajoga]

Debate just started. They look like twins. Dark suit, white shirt, red tie w/dots. LOL

Looks to me like jon-boy got a new do at Breck Girl's salon.

But as anticipated, jon-boy launched the same :bs: on the first question. But in all fairness, the question was stupid, since no one knows if our children and grandchildren will be able to live in a safe world.

[Maggie_T]

But as anticipated, jon-boy launched the same :bs: on the first question. But in all fairness, the question was stupid, since no one knows if our children and grandchildren will be able to live in a safe world.
I can bet that if the world is ruled by moral eunuchs like Kerry, our children will not be safe. They will be slaves, dictated upon by Islamofascist and socialists. They will be subdued and opressed, controlled, their every step watched and monitored. If that is safety, I don't want to be safe. Nor would I want to inflict such 'safety' on coming generations.

[Maggie_T]

OMG! Kerry is going to vote for the American worker! :rolleyes:

Would that be before or after he's had his manicure?

This buffoon wouldn't know an Americna worker if the latter kicked him in the butt. Kerry makes me sick. Literally sick to the stomach.

[dajoga]

Well, I watched 10 min and changed channels.

[Maggie_T]

I don't blame you, dg. I simply cannot stand Kerry. His arrogance, his bald-faced lies, his attacks on Bush ... aarrgghhhh!

[earloftn]

It's hard to watch but just think of Bush having to answer to this crap as if it is a legitamate point of view. Common sense is surely at an ebb these days.

[Warlady]

I can't believe it!!!!!!!! Once again Kerry insulted our allies. My God that man is a sorry sack of shit.

[Warlady]

Oh and Kerry got caught in another lie, one lie among many claiming that Bush has never met with the Congressional black caucus. President Bush invited them to the White House. I remember when one of them was snippy with him when he told her that it was Congress who passed the laws and she replied "We sure do" with such a scowl on her face it made me ill.

[Warlady]

Fox news is calling Bush the winner of tonights debate!!!!!

[Jeffrho]

President Bush kicked ass tonight. A total knockout. Kerry was defensive all night - he's through. And considering Shieffer was lobbing softball questions at Kerry all night, it's even more impressive. Shieffer was the worst moderator of the bunch by far, not suprising considering he's from cBS.

Four more years!!!

[SunnyBrook]

Did you notice RE: Kerry's health care "plan" that when he was asked how we were going to pay for it, he replied, "Oh, we're not going to give it away for NOTHING!" or something similar to that.

I was yelling, "You got that right, you tax and spend liberal!"

[SunnyBrook]

I'm listening to Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts on the radio. She just said in frustration,

"[Kerry] keeps saying 'I have a plan! I have a plan! I have a plan!'

"Well, what is it?!!"

I'm surprised she said that!

[BEST45CAL]

Bush kicked assssssss again tonight!

[SunnyBrook]

Donaldson's immediate response at the close of the debate was that both candidates had done very well. I believe I even heard him say that no one could say Bush lost this one.

He then welcomed Anne Compton, who gushed and raved about Kerry and barely mentioned Bush.

That's what the lib media calls balance.

Now...if they had given Anne Coulter equal air time to praise GW...

[BEST45CAL]

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Skerry pissed off the media with this one:

"We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1013.html

[Blowback]

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Skerry pissed off the media with this one:

"We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1013.html

Could that remark be the equivalent of Bush Sr. glancing at his watch in '92? In other words, could that remark be enough to sink Kerry? It sure as hell pissed the media off, as you said. The commentator on Fox said that there was a "low groan" in the press room as soon as Kerry uttered those words.

[Naturalized-Texan]

This debate wasn't quite the slam-dunk win for Bush as the last debate, but he certainly won on both substance and style. There were a couple of times that Bush was handed a fat pitch to hit out of the park, but didn't. Otherwise, Bush did very well. I think Bush's sense of humor won a lot of votes tonight.

[dajoga]

I'm listening to Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts on the radio. She just said in frustration,

"[Kerry] keeps saying 'I have a plan! I have a plan! I have a plan!'

"Well, what is it?!!"

I'm surprised she said that!

That's one reason I didn't bother watching--with all his plans, Kerry thinks he's going to put God out of business and bring heaven down to earth. Bwaaaaahahahahah.

[ReneeM]

I thought Bush rocked tonight!!:)

[Naturalized-Texan]

Senator, You’re No Ronald Reagan (http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200410131056.asp)

Listening to John Kerry in the debates, one could be forgiven for thinking that his running mate is Ronald Reagan. He has invoked Reagan's name more often than that of John Edwards. And he has mostly done it in the context of foreign policy, suggesting that his approach to the world will be Reaganesque.

This is a grotesque example of political body-snatching, as dishonest in its way as, say, David Duke invoking Martin Luther King Jr. to bolster his civil-rights credentials. "I'm going to run a foreign policy that actually does what President Reagan did, President Eisenhower did, and others," Kerry said the other night. "We're going to build alliances. We're not going to go unilaterally. We're not going to go alone like this president did." Kerry is attempting to boost his own toughness by the association with Reagan, but he is baldly distorting Reagan's foreign policy in the process.

It is absurd to argue that the thrust of Reagan's policy was somehow building alliances. Yes, Reagan inherited a stable system of Cold War alliances appropriate to the threat the United States was facing at the time (a luxury President Bush hasn't had since 9/11). But otherwise Reagan pursued confrontation with America's enemy, the sort of confrontation Kerry considered inappropriate then and still opposes today in the context of the war on terror.

{More at the link above.}

[Samcat]

This debate wasn't quite the slam-dunk win for Bush as the last debate, but he certainly won on both substance and style. There were a couple of times that Bush was handed a fat pitch to hit out of the park, but didn't. Otherwise, Bush did very well. I think Bush's sense of humor won a lot of votes tonight.
I concur with your appraisal, NT

[CaliGirl]

OMG! Kerry is going to vote for the American worker! :rolleyes:

Would that be before or after he's had his manicure?

This buffoon wouldn't know an Americna worker if the latter kicked him in the butt. Kerry makes me sick. Literally sick to the stomach.Skerry took the day off to practice for tonight. Huh? How does one practice for a debate if one does not know the questions? :duh:

[DoctorDoom]

So how many times did sKerry mention "The Plan" tonight? For the record, he used to word 29 times (http://www.redstate.org/story/2004/10/9/83342/1514) in "debate" #2.

I have a plan to put people back to work.

I've proposed a plan that can capture it and contain it and clean it within four years.

I could do a better job. My plan does a better job.

You can pull it off of the Internet. And you'll find a tort reform plan.

I have a plan.

I have a plan to lower the cost of health care for you.

I have a plan to cover all children.

have a plan to let you buy into the same health care senators and congressmen give themselves.

I have a plan that's going to allow people 55 to 64 to buy into Medicare early.

And I have a plan that will take the catastrophic cases out of the system....

What means something is: Do you have a plan?

And I want to talk about my plan some more...

Let me begin by saying that my health-care plan is not what the president described.

Choose your doctor, choose your plan.

The only people affected by my plan are the top income earners of America.

Now, you didn't hear any plan from the president, because he doesn't have a plan to lower the cost of health care.

I have a plan to cover those folks. And it's a plan that lowers cost for everybody...

We've got to create the products of the future. That's why I have a plan for energy independence within 10 years.

The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan.

The president rushed our nation to war without a plan to win the peace

I have a plan that will help us go out and kill and find the terrorists

But I'll also have a better plan of how we're going to deal with Iraq

I have a plan to provide health care to all Americans

I have a plan to provide for our schools...

I have a plan to protect the environment...

[el presidente]

Bush won. but didnt dominate. still nervous.

[Samcat]

Fox news is calling Bush the winner of tonights debate!!!!!Kerry is losing twice, with his beloved Red Sox losing to the Yankees tonight...

[Suzie]

Hit these polls folks! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

[CaliGirl]

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Skerry pissed off the media with this one:

"We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1013.htmlI heard that! What an dipshit he is! :hissyfit:

[RayChuang]

I thought President Bush did great tonight, too. Especially the part when Bush made Senator Kerry REAL defensive about health care, of all things! :D

Meanwhile, Kerry's I have a plan :bsflag: promptly turned me off again and I literally threw a Nerf ball at my 27" TV out of frustration. :mad: I have this feeling that the final vote total won't be as close as people think, because Kerry blew it big time on his supposed strong subject. :nudge:

[Warlady]

Bush kicked Kerry's ass to the curb. That makes Bush winning 2.5 debates to Kerry's .5

Kerry is such a loser he couldn't even praise his wife. Although I can't say as I blame him there. He got caught in a pretty big lie claiming Bush never met with the Congressional black caucus. Hell I remember when he invited them to the White House. Wasn't he the first President to do that?

[Sinanju]

It's a Bush win.. Chris Matthews looks positively sick.... he knows...

[DoctorDoom]

Bush won. but didnt dominate. still nervous.I'm not.

[Taylor]

George Bush won the debate tonight. With any luck if conservatives get up and go to the polls on Nov. 2 President Bush will be the first incombant is U.S. history to be re-elected to a second term after winning his first term the electoral vote but losing the popular vote. This debate has gotten me excited about this election again.

[CaliGirl]

Hit these polls folks! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
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[Large_Al]

YESSSSSSSSSS!! That's what we needed. A good old ass kicking. What a sniveling little piece of DemonRat crap Kerry is.

[DoctorDoom]

I noted sKerry's whining about the NAALCP, as though President Bush wants to walk into a hate-saturated snake pit like that. The viciousness of their attacks on Pres. Bush erased any expectation that he'd go to them.

And now it's time to bust ass getting the Pubs into the voting booths.

[SunnyBrook]

I was glad to hear Bush speak firmly regarding PB Abortion.

[CaliGirl]

What did everyone think when Bob told GWB and Skerry that we 3 have very strong wives and each of us have 2 daughters? I did wonder why Bob included himself in that comment since he wasn't debating anyone! Being the good Catholic skerry claimed to be tonight, he does not have any legitimate daughters since he has his first marriage annulled! :question:

[CatKozTX]

Kerry did a great job tonight of showing who he really is - an appeasing, lying, far left liberal sack of French-loving shit.

I watched every minute of the debate tonight (all 4 of them actually)! Tonight was by far the best of them all! Bush kicked some serious ass.

[Timberwolf]

"Ya LISTEN to them!"

"Stand up straight and don't scowl."

LMAO!!

I didn't watch too much of the first 2 debates, but from what I saw, President Bush looked kinda tired in the first and handed sKerry his hindquarters in the second. Tonight, though sKerry got his rear-end handed to him yet again, he did more damage to himself than the President did to him. Every time he opened his mouth, I envisioned my taxes going up, up, up...ya can't propose that level of government expansion without a MAJOR tax hike...of course, with the following recession.

His remark about Cheney's daughter will likely be the final death knoll to his bid for the Presidency.

I rather enjoyed President Bush speaking to SS reform. He said it was going to be a major consideration in his second term. sKerry could only point out that it would "cost over a trillion dollars". The Prez NAILED his butt to the wall by citing the cost of doing nothing would be much higher.

I'll be surprised if President Bush doesn't have a double-digit lead by the end of the week.

[Timberwolf]

Anything less than 10% can hardly be considered a "landslide" victory.Do you realize that a 57.5% - 42.5% margin of victory adds up to 15%, numbnuts? THINK before you post...

15% could result in 380+ electoral votes for President Bush.

[CatKozTX]

My favorite quote of the night was "A plan is not a litany of complaints." :claps:

[Celebraman]

I thought the whole thing was awesome! Bush kicked Kerry's ass straight into orbit a hundred times over. Kerry is an unbelieveable loser. It's disgusting watching him weasal around every issue and telling incredible lies. Im gonna barf.

DUBYA RULES!!! :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps:

[The_Elucidator]

I recorded the debate and watched it after hearing a lot of commentary last night.

That sound you hear is the sound of the Bushberg ripping through the hull of the USSR Kerry.

:thumb:

[Warlady]

Cali the Democrats are running to the online polls after the debate to give the impression that Kerry won according to the viewers. That's very skewed. And the media will always claim the Democrat won. I wouldn't put any stock into that. The Swifties are coming out with 2 new ads today. They are going to spend over 3 million dollars in the last days. It will serve as a reminder of what Kerry is really about and style over substance won't hold up.

[ReneeM]

God Bless the swifties!!:patriot:

[Warlady]

Amen! I saw a clip from one of them. It starts out with John Edwards saying anyone who has questions about John Kerry's military service bring it on or something to that affect. Then there are about 2 or 3 dozen POW's and other Nam vets in a group and they start asking very good questions that Kerry has refused to answer. It was great!!

[ReneeM]

Hey it think you can go to the Swiftvet site and see both commercials. I think that is where i saw them:) Missed you in chat last night Warlady!:hug:

[Samcat]

Bush kicked Kerry's ass to the curb. That makes Bush winning 2. 5 debates to Kerry's .5

Kerry is such a loser he couldn't even praise his wife. Although I can't say as I blame him there. He got caught in a pretty big lie claiming Bush never met with the Congressional black caucus. Hell I remember when he invited them to the White House. Wasn't he the first President to do that?
There seems to be a lot of self destruction in the Kerry campaign.
I was concerned when the President made the comment about we could not win earlier in the campaign, but with Kerry's comment about making terrorism a nuisance, and Edwards promise that quads and paras will walk when Kerry becomes President. Then the cheap shot in the debate about the VP's daughter by Kerry.

As for Teresa, honestly that was mission impossible for Kerry. I have to agree with you there.

Unfortunately Kerry got caught in the same trap that Cheney did with Edwards in the VP debate.

That is the problem with people who work under you in these campaigns. They are sometimes far too partisan to dig and get all of the facts before they brief their candidates, and in the end they look foolish, much like the $84 comment which "fact"check got wrong.

The bottom line is the Kerry camp is showing a great deal of desperation with these tactics and the President's camp seems to be staying a steady course to his inevitable triumph on November 2!

[dajoga]

I was glad to hear Bush speak firmly regarding PB Abortion.

Kerry said he was taught to "Love thy neighbor". But I guess unborn babies don't qualify as neighbors.

The Pledge of Allegiance (Kerry version)

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all except unborn babies.

[Golgo 13]

http://home.earthlink.net/~darkmagneto/poll.jpg

[ReneeM]

You know Goglo, Terry McAwful sent out a e-mail to the dems to go to all the polls and vote. I was snooping on some demonRats boards and they were emptying their cookies so they could vote more than once. So these online polls are just crap.

[Riverboat]

Donaldson's immediate response at the close of the debate was that both candidates had done very well. I believe I even heard him say that no one could say Bush lost this one.
I missed all but a glimpse. I'm not ashamed to tell you I was watching my beloved Houston Astros play game one for the National League pennant. My being from Houston, you'll understand. I watched just enough between innings and pitcher changes(lots and lots of pitcher changes) to see Bush holding his own, and heard Kerry use the word plan for the gazillionth time. So how did it go? I don't need no stinkin' poll to tell me. If Sam Donaldson says both candidates did very well, I can only assume Bush kicked Kerry's ass.

[Naturalized-Texan]

The biggest Kerry lie of the night was one that he repeated from the previous debate was when he lied that the surplus was $5.6 trillion when Bush took office. There had never been a budget over $2 trillion before Bush took office, much less a surplus that large. The largest surplus was $236 billion in 2000 and that was a direct result of the Republican cuts in the capital gains tax in 1997. Despite those surpluses in the late 1990s, the federal deficit continued to rise steadily from $5.4 trillion in 1997 to $5.8 trillion in 2001. (Source: Historical Tables, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2004)

Could Kerry have mistakenly seen the $5.8 trillion deficit as a $5.6 surplus? Or was he just lying again? I suspect the latter.

[Little Bit Farm]

All I want to say is that Kerry sure wants to pay off a lot of things by rolling back the Tax cut for the top 2%. Healthcare for EVERYONE! Social Security ramaining as it is now, failing!. Now WHY didn't President Bush point that out!


Little Bit Farm

[Golgo 13]

Kerry can't do heathcare for everyone, just 25 million more Americans.


Social Security ramaining as it is now, failing!. Now WHY didn't president Bush point that out!


It would be disengenuous for Bush to bring up the subject of Social security, because he spent the surplus that he was going to be putting in to SS in order to try to fix it.

He's now proposing a 'cut & run' privatized SS strategy, but it still leaves the question of where all the current fixed income seniors that depend on SS are going to get their money from since today's generation pays today's benefits.

Personally, I think SS was a bad idea to begin with and it should have been privatized savings from the start. A good Roth IRA or 401k plan or something along those lines.

[Kathy29]

I caught one. First he said the Pell Grant money was cut. Then he said it was increased because so many poor kids needed it. In the same debate!

In another amazing bit of ingenuousness he said that the employers of illegals would be prosecuted BUT IF the illegal and employer were able to break the law for a long enough period of time, the illegal could get earned legalization and hop in front of all the people obeying the law.

I wish someone would confront him with these bits of Kerryisim and ask for an explanation.

[Celebraman]

Every time Kerry invokes Reagan's name, I get SICK. I mean REALLY SICK! He has no right to use Reagan's name at any place at any time after having fought Reagan every step of the way when he was president! Prior to Reagan's death, I heard Kerry on TV boasting about how he opposed Reagan's "illegal war in Nicaragua." You don't hear that from him anymore.

Kerry isn't fit to scrub the grime off Reagan's shoes. You will remember at the Republican convention, Dubya reminded people how Kerry once made a speech calling the Reagan presidency "eight years of moral darkness." The idea that Kery would now try to capitalize on Reagan is just too sickening for words.

[Timberwolf]

Kerry isn't fit to scrub the grime off Reagan's shoes. You will remember at the Republican convention, Dubya reminded people how Kerry once made a speech calling the Reagan presidency "eight years of moral darkness." The idea that Kery would now try to capitalize on Reagan is just too sickening for words.You are far too kind...sKerry IS the grime on Reagan's shoes...actually, he's more akin to the dog poo that needs to be scraped from the soles of RR's shoes.

[Timberwolf]

Well, at least you make some sense in that last paragraph...but, tell us, what will cost MORE? Leaving SS as it is or trying to transition now, before the crap REALLY hits the fan?

It may cost a trillion or so now, but I will guarantee you it will be exponentially more costly if we wait to do something.

[TheRealLobo]

:claps:

I like your use of varied and informed sources there.
Aww geez...another one.

His post was about someone's opinion. It's reasonably well stated as such to anyone with even a hint of intellect.

Are you the caliber of troll that has been here since I've been away?

[TheRealLobo]

Do you realize that a 57.5% - 42.5% margin of victory adds up to 15%, numbnuts? THINK before you post...

15% could result in 380+ electoral votes for President Bush.
You beat me to it TW.

Lessee, debate, politics, ethics, morality, history, and now math. Is there anything this new batch of trolls know nothing about?

[True American]

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Skerry pissed off the media with this one:

"We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1013.htmlWord is: Kerry lost a lot of undecided votes on this comment.
Of course, if you are undecided between Kerry and Bush at this stage of the game, it's like saying you don't know whether to side your home with Vinyl or RUBBER!

So, I don't have much stock in the undecideds at this point. These may well be people who believe the best condiment to add to a hotdog is YOGURT!

[Black Phoenix]

typical lawyer liberal lieActually I'd have to say it's a new low.

Lets see what we have.
If Kerry becomes President

The crippled will walk,
The volunteer force military will grow,
We will be able to set a date for when we get out of Iraq,
France and Germany will suddenly see things our way,
Social security will no longer need reform,
1% of the wage earners will be able to pay for every expence without any damage to the economy.
The US congress will be united
The country will be as united as it was on 9/11
He personally will see to the redeploying of troops and adding another division to the forces in Iraq,
Suddenly our forces will recieve better training then they are under plans I thought were made under respected GENERALS,
Terrorism will be nothing more than a nuisance,
Kids will stop voluntarily dropping out of high school
(And you should see him walk on water.)
The guy belongs in a institution alright, but not one that entails political power.

[True American]

Anything less than 10% can hardly be considered a "landslide" victory. anything over 25 Electoral votes is concidered a LANDSLIDE victory!

[Naturalized-Texan]

“W” Stands for “Whupped His Behind” (http://www.nationalreview.com/impromptus/impromptus200410140823.asp)

That's my boy. That's my Bush. He a hoss — a debatin' hoss. Last night, he was flat-out marvelous in debate. I said, following the second debate, that he had done well, but not his best. (Who does his best all the time? That's why we call it "best.") Last night, he did his best — and his best is superb. And I say this as an analyst, not a Bush partisan.

Regular readers will trust me on this, I believe.

The president was relaxed, informed, commanding, thoughtful, forceful, humorous — the whole array. Sometimes people ask me, "What do you see in him?" (They particularly ask this after a stumbling performance.) Well, that's what I see in him — the Bush who fully emerged on October 13 is what I see.

Look, if the country saw him last night and still wants to fire him — they really don't want him. What a lot of us have asked is that Bush give it his best shot. This was his best shot. I have kind of an absurd pride in him. I'm sort of bursting. If he loses, it won't be his shame; it'll be the country's.

(It's so great not to be a politician — you can say what you think.)

Friends, I'm going to give you some notes, in the order — rough order — in which I wrote them. Then I'll be back (so to speak) for some general comments.

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Kerry still hasn't backed off his "alliances" thrust — good for him. There's consistency. He actually believes in this French-German nonsense.

Has either of our guys ever nailed Kerry and Edwards on this "rush to war" business? It was the slowest rush to war in history.

As Kerry is speaking (this is the first answer), Bush seems unusually alert — ready to respond, ready to rebut.

Arrgh — Kerry has invoked Reagan again, positively. Kerry really hated Reagan. Said so — and acted like it — at every turn. Will Bush call him on it? This is the third debate in which Kerry has done this.

Bush is doing his "spreading liberty" shtick — excellent.

"Ridding the Taliban out of Afghanistan" — well, that's Bush's English. I like it. (As long as he rids Afghanistan of the Taliban.)

Bush hits Kerry on terrorism as a "nuisance." Good. Using recent info. Cool.

Kerry's smile looks botoxicated. I'm not saying this to be mean or snarky — or fashionable. No, I really mean that his smile looks botoxicated. Whether he uses the stuff, I have no idea.

Bush has found a new look to replace his peevish pout. It's a strange look — but I like it. It works. How he can sustain it is kind of a miracle. The look says, in part, "What are you saying now? I can scarcely believe it."

Kerry's talking again — for the third debate — about "outsourcing" the task of hunting down Osama bin Laden to "Afghan warlords." Is Bush going to answer this? For once? Can he?

I know what Bush has meant in the past, about not worrying about bin Laden: Destroying al Qaeda, and winning the War on Terror, is the main thing; getting bin Laden, personally, would be gravy.

The flu-shot question: I'm amazed at how well prepared Bush is. Amazed. He handles it deftly.

{More at the link above.}

[Kathy29]

Kerry flip flopped at least three times in that debate.

[Naturalized-Texan]

What article of faith was Kerry talking about? (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/brumley200410140959.asp)

If you're an informed Catholic who watched the third presidential debate you have to be wondering what, exactly, John Kerry was talking about when it comes to abortion.

Asked by moderator Bob Schieffer about unnamed Catholic archbishops who are telling people it's a sin for them to vote for candidates like Kerry because of their support for abortion rights and embryonic-stem-cell research, Kerry rambled on about respecting the bishops' views but disagreeing with them. That was hard enough to follow.

Then came the kicker: "I believe that I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith."

What article of faith was Kerry talking about? That abortion kills an innocent human being? That's not a peculiarly Catholic belief or "article of faith." Plenty of people who aren't Catholics think abortion entails taking an innocent human life. President Bush does, and he's a Methodist, not a Catholic. So too many Lutherans, Baptists, Nazarenes, Presbyterians, and Episcopalians agree with faithful Catholics and President Bush. Then there are non-Christians, including many Jews, Muslims, and Hindus, for whom abortion is the killing an innocent human being. Indeed, some people with no religion at all or who deny God's existence take the same position.

{More at the link above.}

[Timberwolf]

I'm amazed that sKerry didn't blame the Prez for the flu vaccine shortage as "being in bed with the pharmaceuticals industry"...he's lucky he didn't because it was Billarycare that taxed and regulated the vaccine producers out of the country. THAT is the reason for our dependence upon foreign vaccine makers.

[Naturalized-Texan]

There were two comeback kids (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/andres200410132358.asp)

Two candidates made strong comebacks in Wednesday night's presidential debate, but with starkly different results.

President George W. Bush clearly roared back — scoring his best performance of the three debates. John Kerry "came back" as well — but the old John Kerry returned, one that had a hard time with crisp, concise answers and one that at times seemed aloof and sanctimonious.

The president was more energized than his opponent and hit just about every point he needed to make.

He tagged Kerry hard on being a tax-and-spend liberal.
He effectively attacked his Senate record.
Saying "a plan is not a litany of complaints," and "promises you can't pay for" put Kerry on the defense from the beginning.
Bush was even able to bring up some effective foreign-policy points in a domestic-policy debate, like highlighting Kerry's vote against the first Gulf War and his silly line about the "global test."

Like the last debate, this one witnessed a reversal of fortune. Kerry clearly was supposed to dominate the domestic-policy-agenda questions and he did not. As for Bush, this was supposed to be the president's "weaker" area and his performance again Wednesday night — like the second debate — was very strong.

{More at the link above.}

[Naturalized-Texan]

Kerry made the gaffe of a lifetime (http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum-diary.asp)

Kerry made the gaffe of a lifetime in his answer to Bob Schieffer’s last question. “Well I guess all three of us are lucky men who married up.” The second those words passed his lips, his face flushed and his face twisted into a self-horrified grimace.

One thing I’ve learned from these debates: John Kerry is poised and well-spoken – but he’s not very mentally nimble. Over three debates, the president made a number of mistakes, some of them potentially very damaging. Yet Kerry almost never pounced on them, and when he did do so, his remarks were very obviously prefabricated.

{More at the link above.}

[Timberwolf]

So it's okay for Senator Kerry's Catholicism to influence his efforts against poverty, or to clean up the environment, or to fight for justice and equality. As he said, "All of those things come out of that fundamental teaching and belief of faith." But for some reason his Catholicism mustn't influence him to support the right to life for unborn children.That's EXACTLY what I was thinking when I heard him vomit this onto the stage last night. Simply amazing how the morally bankrupt "pick and choose"...
Abortion is different because unborn children have an inalienable right to life, which the government must secure. Since Senator Kerry doesn't support the right to life for unborn children, it's false for him to claim to accept the Church's teaching on abortion, which includes supporting the right to life.:claps: :claps: :claps:
Well said, good sir...well said, INDEED!!!

[Kathy29]

Is that why he never spoke about his wife, but spoke about his mother instead?

[Naturalized-Texan]

On All Cylinders: Bush does everything you want from a candidate in a debate (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/778kctvv.asp)

WHAT DO YOU want to achieve in a presidential debate? You want to hammer home your campaign themes. You want to put your opponent on the defensive. You want to sell yourself personally. And you want to avoid a gaffe or a damaging sound bite. Bush did all four in Wednesday night's third and final nationally televised debate with John Kerry. It was his best debate performance ever and that includes his three debates with Al Gore in 2000. As a result, it may have won Bush a second White House term.

Let's examine the four goals the president--or Kerry, for that matter--sought to realize in the debate. Themes? Bush's chief message was that Kerry is a liberal on the fringe of the political mainstream. He argued it with humor, saying Kerry is so liberal he makes Teddy Kennedy "the conservative senator from Massachusetts." And he did it by pointing to issues. He contrasted his tax cutting with Kerry's penchant for raising taxes. He insisted that Kerry's vote against the Gulf War in 1991 meant America could never pass the senator's "global test" for military intervention. In that war, the United States had the United Nations and most of the world were on its side, but not Kerry, Bush noted.

And for the first time, Bush made an effective case for a constitutional amendment protecting traditional marriage. Kerry claimed correctly that he and Bush agree marriage should only be between a man and a woman. But they don't agree on how to preserve this arrangement. Bush backs an amendment as the only way to bar judges from imposing same-sex marriage on states and Kerry doesn't. This is a sleeper issue in the campaign, one Bush would be wise to follow up on in his stump speeches.

{More at the link above.}

[SunnyBrook]

If Sam Donaldson says both candidates did very well, I can only assume Bush kicked Kerry's ass.
That's EXACTLY what I said as soon as I heard it!

Kerry lost all around with the homosexuality question. His statement is sure to alienate some homosexuals, who will resent him taking a cheap shot at the daughter's expense, it will offend family members of homosexuals for the same reason. It sure as shootin' will separate him from mainstream American thought regarding homosexuality.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[dajoga]

Yup, for jon-boy, "love your neighbor" doesn't include unborn babies, and why every baby killing group backs him. :smack:

[Antigone]

That's EXACTLY what I said as soon as I heard it!

Kerry lost all around with the homosexuality question. His statement is sure to alienate some homosexuals, who will resent him taking a cheap shot at the daughter's expense, it will offend family members of homosexuals for the same reason. It sure as shootin' will separate him from mainstream American thought regarding homosexuality.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->It didn't get any better today when Mrs. Edwards came out (no pun intended) and said that Mrs. Cheney was only offended by those remarks because she was ashamed of her daughter. This "lady" just moved up to Royal Bitch status on my list.

[Maggie_T]

Oh, for Pete's sake. That fat bitch. :flame:

Kerry's stunt was so beneath contempt. I was listening to the radio this morning and they had a liberal who was bemoaning Kerry's malevolence. She was dismayed because it came on the wake of Edwards' same classless act. "He just doesn't learn," she moaned.

And liberals bleat when I say that their hatred is pathological.

[Warlady]

Even Imus said it was smarmy and he's voting for the guy. Kerry lost the debate on a lot of issues but he lost votes on that cheap comment. Even the Clinton's know that kids are off limits.

[ReneeM]

Elizabeth Edwards was in Lancaster Pa today where i live and she was on the news. Good grief she is ugly!:rotflmbo: She should keep her trap shut!

[Antigone]

Elizabeth Edwards was in Lancaster Pa today where i live and she was on the news. Good grief she is ugly!:rotflmbo: She should keep her trap shut!Her and Tah-Ray-Zaa both!!! Pretty soon they will start tag teaming with the crass and low brow comments. Can you just imagine these two in the White House? Good grief. We think Kerry is insulting our allies now, wait until the first State dinner when old Moneybags and Lardbutt get a few glasses of hooch under their belts. The thought makes me shiver. :eek:

[Samcat]

Kerry flip flopped at least three times in that debate.Come on, you know that is what the 'F' stands for in his name, right?

[DoctorDoom]

As in John F'ing sKerry?

[Golgo 13]

Bush made an undeniable flip flop too.


Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations.


And, again, I don't know where he [Osama bin Laden] is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.



He is a person who has now been marginalized.



I don't know where he is ... deep in my heart I know the man is on the run if he's alive at all. I just don't spend that much time on him to be honest with you.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Golgo: That's right. Osama bin Laden is no longer a concern because he is most likely dead. After all, no one has heard anything from him since November 2001.

Our concern is with terrorists, including al Qaeda terrorists, wherever they are and they are now primarily in Iraq. Iraq is where the focus MUST be in the War on Terrorism. Besides, it's much better to be fighting and killing terrorists in Iraq than here in the U.S.

We know that the major purpose of the terrorist attacks in Iraq is to get Kerry elected president because the terrorists know that with Kerry as president, the terrorists will win. After President Bush is reelected, it's a safe bet that we will a major decline in terrorist attacks in Iraq.

[Golgo 13]

Golgo: That's right. Osama bin Laden is no longer a concern because he is most likely dead. After all, no one has heard anything from him since November 2001.


Of course he must be dead. It's not like he could be laying low or hatching a new plot like he did prior to 9/11 which helped him execute it or anything.


Our concern is with terrorists, including al Qaeda terrorists, wherever they are and they are now primarily in Iraq. Iraq is where the focus MUST be in the War on Terrorism. Besides, it's much better to be fighting and killing terrorists in Iraq than here in the U.S.


9/11 comission report found no link between Saddam and Al Qaida. Iraq wasn't a terrorist stronghold prior to invasion and didn't have terrorists blowing up civilians.


We know that the major purpose of the terrorist attacks in Iraq is to get Kerry elected president because the terrorists know that with Kerry as president, the terrorists will win.

http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.299.gif

[Sylvester Haze]

Cheney Vows to Attack US if Kerry Elected (http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4041)

GREENSBORO, NC—In an announcement that has alarmed voters across the nation, Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that he will personally attack the U.S. if Sen. John Kerry wins the next election.

"If the wrong man is elected in November, the nation will come under a devastating armed attack of an unimaginable magnitude, one planned and executed by none other than myself," Cheney said, speaking at a rally in Greensboro, NC. "When they go to the polls, Americans must weigh this fact and decide if our nation can ignore such a grave threat."

[Maggie_T]

Oh, pluh-lee-ze! The article is from the Onion.

Nice try, whatsyourname. :rolleyes:

[Wyatt_Junker]

"I have a plan."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/politics/articles/2002-12-01/images/ap_kerry_lg.jpg
"Its a wonderful plan."

"I have a plan to help America anneal itself, to knit a better tommorrow."

"I have a plan, Bob, to reduce inflammation... using coconut oil."

"My plan is very easy to understand, its three point plan. Its a very provocative plan, very sexy."

"I have a plan to wipe ass and wipe it effectively and effortlessly."

"Bob, its called the no-wiper."

"My plan is to first, bend over, from the waist down, after a large heave-ho."

"Then, my plan is reach down, now stay with me folks, to reach down and wipe, using very controlled upward strokes, erasing the beige stain from one's hiney hole."

"Now, sometimes, I have been able to acheive what I call the no-wiper."

"Its a simple program."

"Through the use of a slight application of a thumbnail-sized portion of mineral oil and the consumption of massive amounts of wheat germ, I have been able to master the art of the no-wipe."

"And believe you me, when you come up fresh, with a bonafide scathe-free attempt at a perfect no-wiper, you feel like you have actually cheated the system when really you haven't."

"Now, by doing this, I will donate all proceeds to the Save the Trees Foundation For People Who Really Really Like Trees."

"The cost of Charmin will go down, literally overnight, bringing the Yen and the Euro into a more equitable trade ratio with the dollar."

"Now, stay with me. This is where it gets really exciting. My plan that is."

"I will, in just 4 short years, be able to erase the debt much like my own butt."

"After a no-wiper, you have to realize that even though you used that single piece of Charmin, it bears absolutely no evidence as if you did. What this means, Bob, is that you can set it right up on top of the sink countertop, next to your toothbrush, for next time."

"Also, keep in mind, Bob, you don't need to wash your hands. I don't wash my hands anyway, nor do I bathe, I'm French, but that's beside the point. Think of the time saver this is with the food industry!"

"Julia Butterfly Hill will be introducing the No-Wipe, Bill AB # 2 with her own testimony while she lived in the tall arbor. I will support her in that effort. Both of us will be demonstrating it on the Senate floor."

[Naturalized-Texan]

9/11 comission report found no link between Saddam and Al Qaida.

FALSE!!! The 9/11 Commission Report and the Senate Intelligence Committee Report both documented Saddam-al Qaeda links going back at least as far as 1993. Saddam harbored, trained, financed, and armed al Qaeda and other terrorists all through that period.

[Sylvester Haze]

Oh, pluh-lee-ze! The article is from the Onion.

You mean the Vice President didn't actually threaten to kill Americans on national TV while lobbying for reelection?!
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link is Dismissed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html)

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

[tacitus]

Kerry's Tax Pledge Already Ablaze

by Deroy Murdock

Posted Oct 15, 2004

The final two presidential debates have given Americans a clear picture of John Kerry's tax vision. It's not pretty. For starters, Kerry's statements and campaign manifesto undermine his pledge not to raise taxes on those who earn less than $200,000. This alone should warn voters that, for Kerry, tax hikes are not a last resort, but a first response.

In the St. Louis debate, Kerry replied to James Varner who asked him "to look directly into the camera and, using simple and unequivocal language," pledge not to raise taxes on families who make less than $200,000 annually.

"Absolutely," Kerry said October 8. "Yes. Right into the camera. Yes. I am not going to raise taxes. I have a tax cut."

Demonstrating yet again Kerry's talent for self-contradiction, he added, "Now, for the people earning more than $200,000 a year, you're going to see a rollback to the level we were at with Bill Clinton…"


Link to the article (http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?print=yes&id=5372)

[Golgo 13]

Demonstrating yet again Kerry's talent for self-contradiction, he added, "Now, for the people earning more than $200,000 a year, you're going to see a rollback to the level we were at with Bill Clinton…"

That's been his tax proposal the entire time. The tax cuts will be rolled back on those that make more than two hundred thousand dollars a year.

[Naturalized-Texan]

tacitus: Already posted here (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15412).

[TheRealLobo]

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link is Dismissed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html)

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
From your link:

Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq.
Now THERE'S a couple of unbiased sources.

More from the article:


Kerry himself has said Hussein "supported and harbored terrorist groups."

As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda." Bush, asked on Tuesday to verify or qualify that claim, defended it by pointing to Abu Musab Zarqawi, who has taken credit for a wave of attacks in Iraq.
...
Cheney's spokesman pointed to a 2002 letter written by CIA Director George J. Tenet stating that "we have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade" and "credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression." Cheney's office also pointed to a 2003 Tenet statement calling Zarqawi "a senior al Qaeda terrorist associate."</NITF>

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the (911) commission finding of long-standing high-level contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq justified the administration's earlier assertions.

Cheney connected Iraq to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by saying that newly found Iraqi intelligence files in Baghdad showed that a participant in the bombing returned to Iraq and "probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven." He added: "The Iraqi government or the Iraqi intelligence service had a relationship with al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s."</NITF>

At yesterday's hearing, commissioner Fred F. Fielding questioned the staff's finding of no apparent cooperation between bin Laden and Hussein. He pointed to a sentence in the first sealed indictment in 2001 of the al Qaeda members accused of the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; that sentence said al Qaeda reached an understanding with Iraq that they would not work against each other and would cooperate on acquiring arms.</NITF>

Patrick J. Fitzgerald, now a U.S. attorney in Illinois, who oversaw the African bombing case, told the commission that reference was dropped in a superceding indictment because investigators could not confirm al Qaeda's relationship with Iraq as they had done with its ties to Iran, Sudan and Hezbollah. The original material came from an al Qaeda defector who told prosecutors that what he had heard was secondhand.</NITF>
LOL!!!! They dismissed this from an al qaeda defector, but feel certain that two "senior bin laden associates" are forthright and honest.

Don't you just HATE when a link you think makes your point very clear, in fact, does NOT?

[True American]

John Kerry told a cruel lie Friday night (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/george200410090039.asp)

Every reporter covering the election should, after the second presidential debate in St. Louis, be demanding of Kerry an answer to the following question: Who are the scientists who told you that "we have the option" of curing Parkinson's, diabetes, spinal-cord injuries, or any other disease using embryonic stem cells? If they won't ask him, the Bush campaign should defy him to name the names. He won't be able to do it. No scientists — even those most pro-Kerry and aggressively in favor of the federal funding of embryo-destructive research — ever told Kerry any such thing.

What Kerry has done here is told the big lie about embryonic stem cells. The claim that "we have the option" of curing Parkinson's disease, diabetes, etc. with embryonic stem cells is outrageous.

{More at the link above.}This whole thing on Stem Cell Research has gotten so far out of control, it borders on insanity.
Christopher Reeve walking... (what a load of crap!)
Look up the figures on how much money our government puts into Cancer Research on a yearly basis. Always put in place, "WE" instead of "Government" when you mention PAYING money, but always keep GOVERNMENT well in mind when mentioning SPENDING MONEY! It's no different than 6 of us pitching in to buy a dozen donuts. Each of the 6 gets 1/2 of one donut and the Government gets the other 1 & 1/2 donuts. Which "WE" paid for. "WE" are the financiers of the Federal Government. The Liberal mindset is that the GOVERNMENT tells "US" what to spend our money on, rather than the other way around. This is a problem that those people voting Democrat are simply too ignorant and stupid to understand.

So, these moronic Liberals stand behind Kerry with an approving and resounding "HOOHAA" when he says he will spend "GOVERNMENT" dollars on Stem Cell Research. What they are "NOT" told is: It's Friggin' "RESEARCH!" Nothing has been determined. Nothing is solid or edged in stone. Research means this...

It could possibly take over 100,000 Billion Dollars to do all this research and these dolts could possibly kill over 100 MILLION embryos and find out in the end result, they have been WRONG! They could possibly spend all this money of ours on an idea which is a big mistake.

It's taken them over 50 years and trillions of dollars researching cures for Cancer and we have yet to find one. We have been dumping billions into research for cures on AIDS and we have nothing yet. We have been dumping billions and billions into the space program and some guy builds a plane for less than 1/100th of the cost and Budda-Bing, he's already in space.

The private sector is already studying stem cells. The private sector is already cloning everything from sheep to cats and dogs. I assure you they will be cloning humans sooner than we care to see them as well. What the F*#K do we need cloned Humans for anyway? Maybe to send to war?? I don't know.

Point is: If the government does spend all this cash researching something, it's still the private sector who makes the meds and charges us 295% more than it takes to actually MAKE the drug. So, where do "WE" benefit? Again, "WE" get to pay quadruple the cost for the goodies that "WE" funded in the first place.

Kerry knows all this, but then again, maybe he doesn't. He is a democrat after all. So, one would have to simply assume, it's just another mountain of BS Kerry adds to the top of his shitpile to brainwash voters. Of course, any voters that can be brainwashed would have to be stupid enough to not know any of this simple info I have just mentioned.

How about "ADULT STEM CELLS?" Why isn't he mentioning spending our money on this instead? Because that wouldn't make for such an interesting contrast to debate his opponent on. Bush is already funding this research, but we won't be hearing about this from the Liberal side of any debates. Of course, as per usual, the Republican is a gentleman and has too much integrity to mention it as a comeback.

And they blame the Republicans for dividing our country. Give me a F*&^%$*& Break!

[Samcat]

Yep, I called my brother (who is a raving Demoncrat) a few days ago letting him know that I had no choice but to vote for John Kerry.

If Kerry is going to make the paras and quads rise from their chair, create millions of jobs yadda yadda, then he must be the Messiah.

Of course he saw through my extreme sarcasm and started talking about the standard Demoncrat soundbites including the Sudan problems and why hasn't the President done anything. I reminded him of a previous adminstration which cut and run from Moghabishdu. I suspect that is the exit strategy of Klown Kerry, something he first applied in his quarter of a tour in Viet Nam.

Then he quipped that all Republicans are condemened to hell and they should die or something like that. I was tempted to say that all this JFK lacked was a motorcade going near a book depository, but (and this comment is not intended as any threat against the Demoncrat candidate), I wish that fate on no one so I resisted the temptation.

[Golgo 13]

I reminded him of a previous adminstration which cut and run from Moghabishdu.

Mogadishu.


I suspect that is the exit strategy of Klown Kerry...


Only idiots and the foolhardy initiate a war without some semblance of an exit strategy.

It's easy to walk into quicksand, but that says nothing of getting out.

[Maggie_T]

Mogadishu.Who are you to correct other people's spelling? This is what you wrote in another thread:

You guys sound pretty unapologetic about the tens of thousands of inocint civilians killed as a result of this war.Inocint? INNOCENT is the way you spell the word.


Only idiots and the foolhardy ...... throw stones at other people's roof when their own is made of glass. Agreed.

[Jeffrho]

Only idiots and the foolhardy initiate a war without some semblance of an exit strategy.

It's easy to walk into quicksand, but that says nothing of getting out.And only a teenage moron thinks that an "exit strategy" concieved before any action would actually go as planned. But then again with your impressive "Counterstrike Champion" credentials you could be Kerry's SecDef. Try reading this (http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/01winter/record.htm). I know it has a bunch of words and no pictures, but I know you can do it. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[ReneeM]

Is it time to tell Golgo goodbye yet? :flushlib.

[kate]

Counterstrike pwns though. But yeah well, lol *shuts up again*

[Samcat]

Mogadishu.



Only idiots and the foolhardy initiate a war without some semblance of an exit strategy.

It's easy to walk into quicksand, but that says nothing of getting out.
Thanks for correcting my spelling.

Is running away considered an exit strategy? Which quicksand are you referring to? Is it the one that Kerry finds himself him with his changing positions.

It looks like to me that it is you that is in a quagmire with your positions, just like Kerry, the war criminal.

[Golgo 13]

Who are you to correct other people's spelling? This is what you wrote in another thread:

Inocint? INNOCENT is the way you spell the word.


Don't be so anal, that was a simple typo. What he typed was hell and gone from the correct spelling of Mogadishu.

Is running away considered an exit strategy? Which quicksand are you referring to?

The sand we're bogged down with in Iraq.

When Bush Sr. invaded Iraq during Desert Storm, he didn't take Saddam out. The reason he didn't is because he said that there was no exit strategy. It looks like his son is discovering his wisdom the hard way.

[Samcat]

Don't be so anal, that was a simple typo. What he typed was hell and gone from the correct spelling of Mogadishu.



The sand we're bogged down with in Iraq.

When Bush Sr. invaded Iraq during Desert Storm, he didn't take Saddam out. The reason he didn't is because he said that there was no exit strategy. It looks like his son is discovering his wisdom the hard way.
First, there is no Bush Sr. If you are referring to the 41st President, he is President George H W Bush. The current President is George W Bush. Please avoid this blatant mistake on your part in the future.

We are not bogged down in Iraq. Your opinions are all that is bogged down.

If you forget, the goal in Desert Storm was to remove Saddam from Kuwait, not to take Saddam out. Selective amnesia, eh?

I submit since you did not know the reason for the first war against Iraq, you probably don't know the reason for the second one.

[kate]

First, there is no Bush Sr. If you are referring to the 41st President, he is President George H W Bush. The current President is George W Bush. Please avoid this blatant mistake on your part in the future.

I think you are all being quite picky on that one. It doesn't matter if you call him Bush senior or Bush 41.. in the end, you know exactly who the person is talking about when they call him "Bush senior", no? Stuff like this has nothing to do with the actual debate, really.

[Peachdiane]

I think it's more of a respect thing, to call our Presidents properly. I have never said Bush Sr. or Jr. since it would be inaccurate (and disrespectful IMO) But that's just me.

:D

[kate]

I think it's more of a respect thing, to call our Presidents properly. I have never said Bush Sr. or Jr. since it would be inaccurate (and disrespectful IMO) But that's just me.

:D
I don't think they'd really be offended. Bush 41 sounds more disrespectful from my point of view :/ it's like giving him a numberplate. He's not a car. :/

But ok. I understand what you mean.

[Samcat]

I think you are all being quite picky on that one. It doesn't matter if you call him Bush senior or Bush 41.. in the end, you know exactly who the person is talking about when they call him "Bush senior", no? Stuff like this has nothing to do with the actual debate, really.
No, I am being accurate. There is no Bush Sr or Jr.

Many people look at that as another insult toward President George W Bush, putting him down in a covert manner.