John Kerry turns his back to God on the big issue

[Naturalized-Texan]

John Kerry turns his back to God on the big issue (http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200410150936.asp)

I can only imagine how much those who despise public displays of religion were groaning during the third and — thank goodness — final debate.

Both candidates talked at length several times about the role of religion in their lives. Unsurprisingly, George W. Bush seemed comfortable with the subject. "Prayer and religion sustain me," he said without sounding an insincere note. "I receive calmness in the storms of the presidency."

I think most people thought Bush was sincere. But it's hard to see how anyone thought Kerry was.

"I think that everything you do in public life has to be guided by your faith, affected by your faith, but without transferring it in any official way to other people," Kerry explained repeatedly, usually prompted by the abortion issue. "I believe that I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith."

Of course, this is the standard answer from liberal Democrats who profess to be good Catholics but who are also pro-choice. From what I understand, it's a fairly weak argument, but that's between Kerry and his church.

What I do object to is this: While Kerry says he's opposed to "legislating" his faith on abortion, he insists that he's in favor of legislating his faith elsewhere.

{More at the link above.}

[Sylvester Haze]

The views Kerry would legislate make sense independent of his faith, though, which is a pretty key difference.

[DoctorDoom]

Kerry is politically dead, taken out by the RATs who want the Bitch Queen, Hillary, to run in 2008 against a non-incumbent. Under their "advice" he is sinking his own ship.

Get out your black armband, kid. There will be no joy in Libville, for mighty Kerry will strike out.

[Patriot Heart]

Sylvia
How do you stand supporting that lumbering, stentorian voiced creature? He is as empty as the ancient suits of armor one sees on display in mansions that his type own. He claims to be religious and yet does not have the balls to actually stand up for the beliefs of his faith. George Bush knows he must follow the rule of law, but at least he is not afraid to state what he believes. Kerry takes a poll before he unwraps a stick of chewing gum. Gag, what a vapid excuse for humanity he is.
Patriot Heart in OK

[DesertFox]

The views Kerry would legislate make no sense at all, because if we are to take him at his word, he would be legislating today to overthrow what he legislated yesterday, and legislating tomorrow to overthrow what he legislated today.

[Sylvester Haze]

Patriot Heart,

I like Kerry's mix of religion, but simultaneous acknowledgement he doesn't have all the answers on a silver platter straight from God Almighty. I like his consistently well thought-out--if nuanced, and chronically misrepresented--position on issues from the war in Iraq to health care. I like that he won't appoint Scalia clones to the Supreme Court. I like the guts he had to stand up to the Vietnam War after returning from duty, despite knowing the flak it would draw. I like the fact he'll pick new, probably better cronies to replace John Ashcroft and current cronies. I like the fact the worst the Right can come up with to smear him is a bunch of vapid misquotes, and cheap name-calling. I like him for several other reasons. Most of all, I like the fact he's not another Bush.

[DoctorDoom]

IOW, you're in favor of electing a traitor. Your choice.

[Sylvester Haze]

Remind me again of who's the multiply-awarded combat hero, and who's the intrepid pilot guarding Texas' skies from the Vietnamese Air Force? :D

[Faithful_Servant]

Patriot Heart,

I like Kerry's mix of religion, but simultaneous acknowledgement he doesn't have all the answers on a silver platter straight from God Almighty. I like his consistently well thought-out--if nuanced, and chronically misrepresented--position on issues from the war in Iraq to health care. I like that he won't appoint Scalia clones to the Supreme Court. I like the guts he had to stand up to the Vietnam War after returning from duty, despite knowing the flak it would draw. I like the fact he'll pick new, probably better cronies to replace John Ashcroft and current cronies. I like the fact the worst the Right can come up with to smear him is a bunch of vapid misquotes, and cheap name-calling. I like him for several other reasons. Most of all, I like the fact he's not another Bush.I guess that makes it official... You are officially our village liberal. Congratulations!! Here's your sign..

[DoctorDoom]

Remind me again of who's the multiply-awarded combat hero...Perhaps you'd like to remind us of who that might be, since it obviously wasn't the treasonous scumbag who called all of his comrades in the military "war criminals", threw medals over the White House fence in contempt, sucked up to the North Vietnamese dictators while our POWs were in hellholes, and loathes the military with a psychotic passion.

It certainly wasn't the PoS who got Purple Hearts for Band-Aid Booboos, probably self-inflicted. And it damned well wasn't the leftist asshole who adamantly refuses to release his military records even while his butt-kissing campaign toadies were demanding that President Bush's records be publicized, and creating forgeries for political gain.

... and who's the intrepid pilot guarding Texas' skies from the Vietnamese Air Force?It must be a real challenge to remain pristinely ignorant of everything in this world of instant information. No doubt you also believe that Shamu Mooron's filmic fantasies are factual.

[Apollo5600]

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Perhaps you'd like to remind us of who that might be, since it obviously wasn't the treasonous scumbag who called all of his comrades in the military "war criminals", threw medals over the White House fence in contempt, sucked up to the North Vietnamese dictators while our POWs were in hellholes, and loathes the military with a psychotic passion.

It certainly wasn't the PoS who got Purple Hearts for Band-Aid Booboos, probably self-inflicted. And it damned well wasn't the leftist asshole who adamantly refuses to release his military records even while his butt-kissing campaign toadies were demanding that President Bush's records be publicized, and creating forgeries for political gain.

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It must be a real challenge to remain pristinely ignorant of everything in this world of instant information. No doubt you also believe that Shamu Mooron's filmic fantasies are factual.
Grade A ass kicking :claps:
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[CatKozTX]

Kerry's trite little speech on the role of religion in his life speaks volumes. He claims that faith and morals matter to him, but they really don't affect who he is or what he does. It wouldn't affect the decisions he makes as POTUS. This of course makes no sense to anyone who has a genuine relationship with God and he damn well knows it.

He is a panderer in every possible way fathomable.

[Sylvester Haze]

DoctorDoom,

In the space of two short paragraphs, you managed to add all of the following (direct or implied) accusations against John Kerry:


He "called all of his comrades in the military war criminals."
He "sucked up to North Vietnamese dictators";
He "loathes the military with a psychotic passion" (I'll take one mind-reading ray while you're at it, please).
He received Purple Hearts for wounds treated with a Band-Aid, presumably papercuts or some such;
That were self-inflicted.
He hasn't released his military records.
His campaign staff forged the questionable CBS memos.

Between long-debunked Shifty Vets charges, unfounded (and implausible) speculation, and downright mistatements of fact, I'm impressed! I'm not exactly sure how that qualifies as a "grade A ass-kicking," but will take an educated guess that on this board, the person who crams the most errors and unsubstantiated claims into a post wins. In that case, Bush is a secret Mossad operative, tape-records videos of himself wearing a Pope hat and butchering kittens, sells them on the Internet, sells their remains for use in Thai restaraunts around the greater Maryland area, then donates all the proceeds to the National Communist Party, which he's secretly allied with. There, I win! [Insert appropriately cheesy Speed Racer laugh]

[Apollo5600]

but will take an educated guess that on this board, the person who crams the most errors and unsubstantiated claims into a post wins.
Hell no, you've never won.

[DoctorDoom]

Here's what your "war hero" in action, little boy.

On May 6, 2001 Tim Russert interviewed Senator John Kerry on Meet the Press. In the course of the interview, Mr. Russert asked the senator about his views on Vietnam.

MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam . You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to those with our audience and then try to put that war into some context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.(End audiotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Thirty years later, you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: I don't stand by the genocide. I think those were the words of an angry young man. We did not try to do that. But I do stand by the description--I don't even believe there is a purpose served in the word "war criminal." I really don't. But I stand by the rest of what happened over there, Tim.Vietnam 30 Years Later: What John Kerry Said on Meet the Press (http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html)

In his book, The NewSoldier, your "war hero" said of his fellow soldiers (as told to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee), "They told the stories [that] at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

THIS is what your "war hero" said that he did, and what "thousands of other soldiers" did. Inasmuch as the treasonous son of a bitch stated in so many words that he committed war crimes, why wasn't he court-martialled and incarcerated? A: he has the same immunity from criminal prosecution that his bloated sot compadre, Ted "Hold your breath, Mary Jo!" Kennedy has, i.e., he's a DemonRAT, so he is exempt from being held accountable for anything.

And of course the Waffle Man lied about saying those things.

Last week, Kerry was asked about reports that he had accused "American troops of war crimes," during his testimony by CNN anchor Judy Woodruff. The Massachusetts senator denied the statements that were recorded by the Congressional Record as well as his own book.

"No, I was accusing American leaders of abandoning the troops," Kerry said. "And if you read what I said, it is very clearly an indictment of leadership."Website Exposes Kerry's 1971 Antiwar Book, Activities (http://www.talonnews.com/news/2004/february/0224_kerry_antiwar_bookp.shtml)

Your truckling obeisance to that lying traitor is becoming tedious, little boy. Take your crap to DUh, where the other single-digit-IQ libs will welcome you and your drivel.

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[Samcat]

Remind me again of who's the multiply-awarded combat hero, and who's the intrepid pilot guarding Texas' skies from the Vietnamese Air Force? :DI can remind you of the man who said:

"There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals."

Who said that? Why the so called multiple-awarded combat hero.

John Kerry, by his own words is a war criminal.

[Jeffrho]

He "called all of his comrades in the military war criminals."He did. It's a fact.

He "sucked up to North Vietnamese dictators"Another fact. In June of 1971 he met in Paris with Vietcong and North Vietnamese government officials and then acted as a liason urging America to accept their "peace" terms: Complete and immediate withdrawal, admission of defeat, and financial payments to the North Vietnamese.

He "loathes the military with a psychotic passion" Fact. Actions speak louder than words - his betrayal of his fellow soldiers and his anti-military Senate voting record speak volumes.

He received Purple Hearts for wounds treated with a Band-Aid, presumably papercuts or some suchPartially True. In fact his first purple heart required the removal of a tiny piece of shrapnel with tweezers. It was so minor it didn't even require a band aid. Another was for a bruise. Funny how a guy with three purple hearts didnt spend even an hour in a hospital.

That were self-inflicted.
True. The aforementioned wound was caused by Kerry firing a grenade from a launcher too close to his boat.

He hasn't released his military records.True. Kerry refuses to sign Form 180 to have his full military records released. President Bush did. If Kerry's a "war hero" then what is he afraid of?

His campaign staff forged the questionable CBS memos.That phone call from Mary Mapes to Joe Lockhart hooking them up with Burkett was simply a coincidence. BTW the DNC's "Operation Fortunate Son" went away pretty quickly didn't it?

[DoctorDoom]

Don't confuse Sylvester the Pussy with facts. That's intolerant and insensitive.

[Samcat]

No, that is the description of Demoncrats, my dear Doctor...

[Naturalized-Texan]

* He "called all of his comrades in the military war criminals."
* He "sucked up to North Vietnamese dictators";
* He "loathes the military with a psychotic passion" (I'll take one mind-reading ray while you're at it, please).
* He received Purple Hearts for wounds treated with a Band-Aid, presumably papercuts or some such;
* That were self-inflicted.
* He hasn't released his military records.
* His campaign staff forged the questionable CBS memos.
Unfortunately for you, every one of of those accusation have been proven to be true time and time again, almost all with Kerry's own words.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Haze:
I'm sure that you have noticed that NO ONE has even tried to refute the eyewitness accounts of dozens of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - not Kerry, not the media wing of the Democrat Party - NO ONE. All they have tried to do is to attack the messengers.

If the eyewitness accounts of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are false, then all Kerry has to do is sign Standard Form 180 to authorize the release of ALL of his military records. The fact that Kerry has not done what is necessary to release ALL of his military records is, in and of itself, proof that those eyewitness accounts are true.

At least 2 of the scratches for which Kerry applied for Purple Hearts WERE self-inflicted - i.e., not the result of hostile fire as is required for a Purple Heart. In the first one, he fired a grenade into some rocks too close to the skimmer he was on and a tiny, quarter inch piece of shrapnel from his own grenade lodged in his arm. In the last one, he fired a grenade into a pile of rice too close to the boat and a couple of grains of rice got stuck in his butt. In both of those cases, there was NO hostile fire.