Post election street violence?

[Centurion]

After the 2000 election legal debacle I had a nagging feeling that the election process was going to be corrupted even more so in the future. I also specifically recall reading an article somewhere back then that analyzed the results of a lengthy exit poll, around 70 questions or so in length. Its main thrust, which is not news to anyone here, was that the Gore-Bush election confirmed a national schism centered around values, the oft referred to "culture war". The nation has become polarized into two camps, not necessarily even parties, but two distinct camps that disagree on basically everything. I agree with this analysis wholeheartedly, which leads me to my question.

Do any of you think that when Bush wins there will be post election violence? I really believe it will come to happen. I don't envision civil war or massive organized violence, but rather a dramatic increase in leftist rage. I believe that there will be pushing,shoving and violent outbursts at poll centers across the country on election day, let alone after a
Bush victory. Considering the irrational burning hatred leftists have, the anti-Bush violence exhibited so far, and the leftists calls for contesting the election if Bush wins, I cannot see these same people acting like lawful citizens. The Left is motivated by intolerance and hatred and I cannot see them taking a Bush victory lying down. Considering that Bush may easily appoint three or four Supreme Court justices in a second term, and the lefties can only succeed in their agenda through legislation by the courts, I believe they really feel this is their last hurrah. The Democrats have pandered to every single whacked out leftist group in the nation and many of these people will resort to violence. Does anyone else think this is possible or am I getting paranoid here?

[kate]

Well. I remember there was Conservative violence in Florida when the recounts took place. So I guess they will go for "revenge" in a massive way. I don't think you are paranoid. I believe that there will be a lot of bad things happening if Bush wins.

[The_Elucidator]

Well. I remember there was Conservative violence in Florida when the recounts took place. So I guess they will go for "revenge" in a massive way.
Explain yourself... :question: what conservative violence?

[Naturalized-Texan]

Well. I remember there was Conservative violence in Florida when the recounts took place.
That is a totally FALSE! There was no violence from anyone in FL during the recount. Where do you get this garbage?

[Sinanju]

Remember that republicans protested peacefully when the democrats were forcing recounts?


The liberals didn't know how to handle it because republicans DON'T protest... that is a liberal tactic...

That protest was spun as "violent" by many media outlets.... but we all know it was just that liberals had NEVER experienced a republican protest before...

[Naturalized-Texan]

kate:
It would be educational for you to read At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election by Bill Sammon.

[Antigone]

kate:
It would be educational for you to read At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election by Bill Sammon.
Very good book. Anybody who thinks Gore played fair and was "cheated" needs to read this book. Gore is an asshat.

[Faithful_Servant]

I believe that there will be violence after President Bush is re-elected. It will be the same crap that left has done in the past when protesting anything that offended their leftist agenda. Basically, they'll fire up a bunch anarchist, ultra-violent radicals, eco-nuts, etc. and have a few big riots that will hopefully be quickly squashed by LE and the "protestors" thrown in jail.

[Kathy29]

I believe that Kerry will declare victory almost immediately and seize control. If it turns out that Bush wins, the election results will be litigated. There will be no Jan 20 inauguration. Both sides will maintain that they are the legitimate president. I do believe there will be violence in the streets as democrats going by voter registraton rolls start trying to arrest republicans for sedition against the president.

Democrats really do want a civil war. They've been working towards it for years. Now might be an ideal time, much of our military is overseas, the military here might split giving democrats at least some military to support them.

In the ensuing chaos, it's an ideal time for terrorists to move in.

[meshuga_mikey]

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[cowgirl]

Well. I remember there was Conservative violence in Florida when the recounts took place. So I guess they will go for "revenge" in a massive way. I don't think you are paranoid. I believe that there will be a lot of bad things happening if Bush wins.
I live in Florida and do not recall any violence at all last election. There is a lot of friction down here right now, they are way understaffed for early elections and everyone is griping about it but nothing over the top. There is a lot of silly petty garbage going on. People are really into stealing signs which is absolutely juvenile but other than that I do not see any violence breaking out regardless who wins. Protests and legal garbage will most likely happen regardless of the outcome, this is also stupid as it will do nothing to change the facts but it will be disruptive.
I would hope that the all people understand that this is our process and there is going to be a winner and a loser, the loser will just have to suck it up and the losing party needs to deal with the fact that this is our process and while it may be lacking... it is still the best process on the planet.

[kate]

UH. I did not want to offend you or anything .. on the 22nd of November 2000 in County Miami-Dade there were agressive demonstrations at the polling place and at the Clark-Center.

Article on this topic: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/riot-n29.shtml

See also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/fedpage/columns/intheloop/A30170-2000Dec5.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4526-2000Nov29?language=printer

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2000/1204/cover_riot.html

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/maimi.htm

Now N_T: Does that tone have to be there? Can you not just ask me for a source in a normal way.. All this agression is sometimes really annoying the hell out of me. It's not like I said you were part of it or anything.. I also don't believe the whole stories behind that violence.. (like all this stuff bout it being planned by the Rep. Party) but the violent demonstration took place. That's undeniable.

[Maggie_T]

Yes, there will be violence. No, not a civil war. Lefties are too cowardly to get into that sort of thing. But count on massive protest marches and wailing and bleating ... during and after the elections.

[Kathy29]

Yep massive protests and marches that quickly get out of hand. Seattle comes to mind, as does Los Angeles.

[Jeffrho]

It's funny. When liberals use the same tactics as described in those articles, the MSM calls it a "demonstration" or a "protest". When conservatives do it, the MSM calls it a "riot". People shaking their fists and shouting slogans can hardly be called a riot. You wanna see a riot? Check out the pics of L.A. after the Rodney King verdict. That was a riot.

[kate]

It's funny. When liberals use the same tactics as described in those articles, the MSM calls it a "demonstration" or a "protest". When conservatives do it, the MSM calls it a "riot". People shaking their fists and shouting slogans can hardly be called a riot. You wanna see a riot? Check out the pics of L.A. after the Rodney King verdict. That was a riot.
Well they did push & kick people and they tried to break into the office of David Leahy. The New York Times called it a "Demonstration" still though, if I remember right.

Yet, I have to say that - no matter what you call it - the Rats believe that this demonstration was the reason why the manual counting were stopped so that's why I said that they will want to take revenge and try to do the same. (David Leahy actually said that the protests didn't lead to the courts decision but the Liberals don't believe that.)

[cowgirl]

UH. I did not want to offend you or anything .. on the 22nd of November 2000 in County Miami-Dade there were agressive demonstrations at the polling place and at the Clark-Center.

Article on this topic: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/riot-n29.shtml

See also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/fedpage/columns/intheloop/A30170-2000Dec5.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4526-2000Nov29?language=printer

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2000/1204/cover_riot.html

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/maimi.htm

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all of these articles are siting demonstrations from the Republican Party... I guess I was not thinking of this as violence. There was what was quoted as a "near riot", this is as bad as it got according from what I read on the articles that you posted. Here is a bit from what you posted and this was the worst one

"Republicans, not usually known for takin' it to the streets, got what they wanted. Just two hours after a near riot outside the counting room, the Miami-Dade canvassing board voted to shut down the count. Yet the way the Republicans went after it, by intimidating the three-member board or by providing the excuse it was looking for, gave Americans the first TV view of strong-arm tactics in what was supposed to be a showcase of democracy in action. If Jesse Jackson can do it, the Republicans argued, so can we. But the G.O.P.'s march turned into a mob. The screaming, the pounding on doors and the alleged physical assaults on Democrats suddenly made a bemused public queasy. "

I suppose that when I think of violence in the streets I was imagining something harsher. In this country we have the right to protest. The republican party was excercising that right post election. It was short lived and did not disrupt life down here in Florida. They were not going to just sit on their hands during that election but to me this is not really rampant violence in the streets. I am sure that it was not "fun" to be there though.

[cowgirl]

You know what really irritates me? THIS election process is, for all intents and purposes fair. If Bush wins and people do not like it ..
TOUGH SHIT. This is our system. This is not a system that says.. "do over" because people do not like the outcome.

[kate]

cowgirl: Well, I guess it depends on the definition of "street violence" but regarding liberals in contrast to conservatives have no chance to be in any way intelligent enough by words, their protests will end up in REAL violence.

I don't remember Democratic-voters to ever have been normal, so I guess you agree that in this sensitive case they'll snap straight away. I really do expect a lot of demonstrations and a lot of violence. I don't seem to be the only one.

But yes, I also think that they should accept the result. I think if there will be as much trouble around the election results as last time, it's going to be damn ridiculous to even give your vote.

i really hate it when people don't vote but I as a voter would start to feel just a little bit made fun of and tortured by repeated recounts. 2000-Gore-stupidity was enough.

[cowgirl]

cowgirl: Well, I guess it depends on the definition of "street violence" but regarding liberals in contrast to conservatives have no chance to be in any way intelligent enough by words, their protests will end up in REAL violence.

I don't remember Democratic-voters to ever have been normal, so I guess you agree that in this sensitive case they'll snap straight away. I really do expect a lot of demonstrations and a lot of violence. I don't seem to be the only one.

But yes, I also think that they should accept the result. I think if there will be as much trouble around the election results as last time, it's going to be damn ridiculous to even give your vote.

i really hate it when people don't vote but I as a voter would start to feel just a little bit made fun of and tortured by repeated recounts. 2000-Gore-stupidity was enough.
Right on the definition thing, when I think street violence I was thinking the kind where you need to protect yourself with massive out breaks everywhere.
IF there is violence from the Democrats or anyone else for that matter I think it will be issolated and easy enough to stay away from and more importantly.. IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE in the win. All it will do is land peoples ass in jail and if they are stupid enough to do that to themselves, then that is where they need to be.. eating stale bread and bitching about making their phone call. I have no tolerance for that level of stupidity.
We have a system.. if people do not believe in it AND are not ready to accept how it works.. THEN DON'T VOTE.

[kate]

"Recounting is part of the system when a result doesn't seem clear, cowgirl. Even manual recounting is part of it. But it's ridiculous when it's not necessary. And the results will be clear this year. So it won't be necessary. I think that no polling place will want a second 2000-disaster around the presidential elections. I doubt that in November anyone will have a reason to bitch about the results. And especially not to get violent.

[Sinanju]

"i really hate it when people don't vote but I as a voter would start to feel just a little bit made fun of and tortured by repeated recounts. 2000-Gore-stupidity was enough"


The problem is that the democrats don't care if you are happy, sad, upset, ridiculed, or tortured if they can scratch a victory out of your still living flesh....

I don't like republicans anymore than I like Democrats... but I sure as hell trust republicans WAY more than the BEST democrat.... and I also feel that republicans(most of em) have honor and integrity... I feel most democrats don't...

Though there are a FEW that are acceptable.. Big Joe Liebermann, a real dem war hero Bob Kerrey, A proud dixiecrat Zell Miller, A mayor who finally opened his eyes when his beloved city was attacked.... and a few others...

[Incident_command]

Kate I was at the Broward County Courthouse many days during the attempted takeover by gore and there was NO violence on either side the 6 days I was there.
The sources you have quoted are just plain wrong.

[Kathy29]

The question remains, what happens if Kerry declares himself President and the democrats refuse to accept the election's outcome. He's already putting a security team in place. That's what I meant. Protests, demonstrations, even riots. That's thugs in the street. What happens if democrats only accept Kerry's declared presidency? Suppose, after declaring himself the only legitimate president, Kerry asks for military help? Law enforcement help, street help?

This is truly the way civil wars are born.

[Naturalized-Texan]

The Republican protest was far from being violent. I noticed that, except for the Opinion Journal, your sources are from the far-eft media wing of the Democrat Party from which one will never get the truth about anything regarding politics or the War on Terrorism. The protest was an entirely peaceful demonstration - NO VIOLENCE - so my original comment still stands, tone and all.

I still think that you should read the book that I recommended to get the truth from an unbiased journalist.

[Apollo5600]

The question remains, what happens if Kerry declares himself President and the democrats refuse to accept the election's outcome. He's already putting a security team in place. That's what I meant. Protests, demonstrations, even riots. That's thugs in the street. What happens if democrats only accept Kerry's declared presidency? Suppose, after declaring himself the only legitimate president, Kerry asks for military help? Law enforcement help, street help? Nah, there will be violence but I don't think the libs will go as far as that. (Going for a fullscale civil war that is)

But I'm all for a civil war if it happens though.....

edit: Just kidding! Hmm or am I?

[RagingTiger]

Just a reminder that these people also left the White House in shambles when they were finally kicked-out after 8 years of driving the country into the secular cesspool!

these are infants we are dealing with, people! Heck, they couldn't even fill-out a friggin' punchcard ballot!

When GWB wins, there will be public tantrums the likes of which have never been seen.

I suggest we handout pacifiers in front of every polling place in Florida.

;)

[Faithful_Servant]

Watch for the Clintons to rise up as the "voice of reason" when all this comes to pass.

[kate]

The Republican protest was far from being violent. I noticed that, except for the Opinion Journal, your sources are from the far-eft media wing of the Democrat Party from which one will never get the truth about anything regarding politics or the War on Terrorism. The protest was an entirely peaceful demonstration - NO VIOLENCE - so my original comment still stands, tone and all.

I still think that you should read the book that I recommended to get the truth from an unbiased journalist.
Well I saw a few pictures back then and a video file that was shown on MSNBC where you could see a crowd that was not peaceful. I wouldn't call it violent but I wouldn't call it peaceful either.

I can't get the book because in Germany it's a bit hard to get such books. After all, I couldn't even order "Slander" by Ann Coulter at the bookstore in my town.

[cowgirl]

Well I saw a few pictures back then and a video file that was shown on MSNBC where you could see a crowd that was not peaceful. I wouldn't call it violent but I wouldn't call it peaceful either.

I can't get the book because in Germany it's a bit hard to get such books. After all, I couldn't even order "Slander" by Ann Coulter at the bookstore in my town.
Of course it was not peaceful.. it was a protest for pete sakes but I am telling you from being down here and living here .. it was not violent. A few pictures and one film clip was obviously media going for ratings.
You can try amazon.com for getting books that are not in your local book stores

[kate]

Probably. I don't know. I wasn't there. I can only state what I saw on the video and read about.

Well I use amazon.de , they didn't have slander last time I looked though. They do have "Slander" in the combination with "Treason" .. Not sure if I should buy that since I only wanted to read "Slander" lol