Diaper Head

[True American]

Look who's rearing his ugly head just 4 days prior to the American Election!
It's our un-friendly neighborhood Diaper Head! I don't know; maybe it's just me, but I could swear he was sporting a Kerry/Edwards Button on his bed sheet.

Osama Bin Laden simply can't shut the "F" up, can he? He seems to believe that Americans somehow have the cowardess of Italy and we are going to crumble to our knees and obey his every command. BOY! Does HE ever have the plan backwards. Actually, bin-Laden popping up just 4 days prior to election day gets me all misty-eyed. I know that his idiotic tape will be an assured win for George W. Bush. I haven't checked the morning polls yet, but I'm sure this stunt by the Kerry Spokeman dressed in Martha Stewart K-Mart Linens probably put Bush in a landslide position to win this election. The fun of waiting to see who wins has just been eradicated. Osama has guaranteed Bush an indisputable victory.

With the way he went on about Bush hearing some little girl telling tales of a baby goat rather than get all upset, sounded like a DNC rhetorical quote of the day. I could swear I saw bin-Laden holding up a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker. We kept saying, "We want CLINTON! We want CLINTON!" and if he can't have that spineless, useless pile of swill back in office to let him get away with murder, he'll take the next best thing. I'm sure, bin-Laden will actually give himself up if we don't catch him by 2008 so he can make a documentary with Michael Moore promoting that fat-assed smelly cow Hillary for Prez.

Of course, if Hillary ever became President, we would be begging bin-Laden to come & kill us all.

First we hear one of his henchmen telling us our streets will be flowing in blood, and of course, every time bin-Laden puts out a video, something big happens. I don't think we're going to deal with your streets of blood shit any more bin-Laden. You have just guaranteed Bush another 4 years and if we do see our streets flowing with blood, you may likely find out what it felt to be living in Hiroshima or Nagasaki in the late 1940's.

Come on bin-Laden... give us your best shot! We "DARE YOU!"
Don't forget how our intelligence works in this country...
When there is a serial killer afoot, we attempt to get them talking. Keep talking to us asshole!
Nice to see you again scumbag! Now we can get a brand new bead on your ass, paint it with a lazer and blow your carcass to Kingdom Come!

You can't change my vote. I put it in over a week ago and it wasn't for your Ally Kerry, it was for the guy who's gonna fry your ass. Many have already placed votes you can not sway. But, keep talking though... we're honing in on the chatter!http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/images/map2.gif

Remember this guy? :laugh@sad

[Mischa]

:claps:

[nene]

Make it at least a 30 megaton...wipe out OBL and his Al Caca.

[Grrly]

Don't you people get it?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?

I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway. I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state, beginning right after he's officially reinstated.

Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....

[Naturalized-Texan]

Don't you people get it?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?

I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway. I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state, beginning right after he's officially reinstated.

Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....
:tinhat: :trollhook
No flames, just pity.

[DoctorDoom]

Don't you people get it? .... blahblahblah ad absurdum

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[ReneeM]

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[Wolfcounsel]

"I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway." --Grrly


I know if a camel humper were to endorse me for President, I would feel like a grrly man. I'll bet that's how Hanoi John feels.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?
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[nene]

Don't you people get it?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?

I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway. I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state, beginning right after he's officially reinstated.

Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....
Smells like ass in here.

[Grrly]

I know if a camel humper were to endorse me for President, I would feel like a grrly man. I'll bet that's how Hanoi John feels.


That's funny. I'm an All-American Mom living in the heartland. I love this country and everything it stands for. At least everything the Constitution stands for, which is why I HATE that it is being eroded by Bush and his cronies.

I should also mention here that I am equally unimpressed by Kerry....and equally convinced of his own brand of political corruption....however, I don't have the same level of FEAR for my life, and my kids' lives, that I do about Bush. Another four years won't be necessary....only a few months, and the country will be run by dictators, and your freedom to believe, speak and opine on forums like this will be history. So will the good old U.S. of A.

I hate to see my country dying, and my countrymen and -women dying, for corporate greed and apocalypse-mongering religious agendas.

More flames please. =)


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[Patriot Heart]

So what is your plan, Grrly? Vote for the man who plans to ask the world for permission before we take out the people who want to kill and enslave the children you love so much? Huh? HUH?? I am a mom too. I homeschool and love my three kids. Where is Bush enslaving me? Huh? Where? Get specific or admit you are part of the Walking Dead known as Kerry supporters/Bush haters. The trouble is none of you people can produce any specific, accurate facts about the hate you spew about Bush. Answer me Grrly!!!!!!
Patriot Heart in OK

[nene]

My apologies, Grrly, I didn't know you are lady. I disagree completely with your views, but have no cause to offend.

[Patriot Heart]

I'm waiting Grrly. What happened, did you bail? I would laugh but it isn't funny. The safety of my children and yours can very likely hinge on this.
Patriot Heart in OK

[Apollo5600]

That's funny. I'm an All-American Mom living in the heartland.
I knew a dog named Girly, or should I say, grrrrrly. Don't think she is a mom though, but she sure is mean.

As for the rest of your nonsense:

:trollhook:

[Grrly]

Okay,

I am busy working here....I am a freelance designer at home. So I've got only a few minutes at a time.

I DO plan to answer the question with some facts of my own. Will do that ASAP. I am NOT bailing.

Also, I don't mean to be a troll. I respect other opinions....as long as they are well-researched and well-supported, and you actually know how to state a good argument. I am seeing that many of you here do know how to do that, in your own way.

I am genuinely concerned about the future of this country, regardless of who wins this election....neither candidate is our salvation, if you ask me. I am trying to make people think....and not just swallow what is fed to them by a media and by an administration that are both largely corporate-controlled and run by their own self-interest.

More later.....and thanks for the relative kindness from everyone....I appreciate that.

[DoctorDoom]

Let's look at the original post.

Don't you people get it?The expression, "you people", told us that you intended to be confrontational. As for whether we "get it", why would you assert that we don't? You've been here for less than two days. Ergo your understanding of what we "get" is, to be kind, limited.

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election.That is an absolutely ludicrous assertion without the merest shred of evidence. It's the sort of statement that usually brands the offender as a clueless liberal of less than adult age.

This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting.One hopes that you include in that blanket condemnation the See-BS Documentgate scandal, the atrocious lies about the draft, the resurrected fiction about blacks being "disenfranchized", tax cuts for the rich, destroying social security, and all the other worn-out staples of the RAT litany of election-time bullshit that are dragged out like threadbare Christmas ornaments.

Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?It doesn't surprise us at all. The terrorists have made very clear that they support sKerry, his "sensitive" war, and his nuzzling up to Coffee Anal's butt. They certainly intended to influence the election, but not in favor of

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I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway.Most of us will, but there are a few clue-challenged liberals here who will defy all logic and reason and vote for the lying, treasonous "war hero".

I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state...And I fail to see a syllable of evidence to support that thoroughly ridiculous allegation. Did you read that at DUh?

... beginning right after he's officially reinstated.Well then, you'd best prepare now, hey?

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BTW, during which president's term did this atrocity occur?

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Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....More confrontationalism. Tell us, "Grrly", why should we take you seriously?

[DoctorDoom]

Okay,

I am busy working here....I am a freelance designer at home. So I've got only a few minutes at a time.Then wouldn't they be spent more productively in pursuits other than chanting liberaloony mantras on a conservative BB?

I DO plan to answer the question with some facts of my own. Will do that ASAP. I am NOT bailing.We shall be eagerly awaiting the "facts". Please avoid quoting the NYT, See-BS and DUh as reliable sources.

Also, I don't mean to be a troll. I respect other opinions....as long as they are well-researched and well-supported...As do we. However, those characteristics are usually conspicuously absent in liberal posts. The typical lib's position is, "I don't need to support my arguments. I said it, and therefore it is so."

... and you actually know how to state a good argument.We have a surfeit of that ability at FC... when it is warranted.

I am seeing that many of you here do know how to do that, in your own way."...in your own way." Your arrogance is breathtaking. Tell us, do we have to grovel at your feet, or may we sit in your exalted presence? :rolleyes:

I am genuinely concerned about the future of this country, regardless of who wins this election....The only worthwhile future America has relies on the utter defeat of the traitor, John F'ing sKerry, and of his fetus-channeling Breck Boy. These are not the men that I want in charge of the most powerful nation in history.

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...neither candidate is our salvation, if you ask me.We didn't. IAC, only God is our salvation. However, of the two fallible humans who are running for office, President Bush is almost infinitely superior to John F'ing sKerry.

I am trying to make people think....We're conservatives. We think automatically. And we enjoy it because it pisses off the touchy-feely liberals.

... and not just swallow what is fed to them by a media and by an administration that are both largely corporate-controlled and run by their own self-interest.The media are damned well NOT supporting the president's bid for reelection. They are shameless in their catering to sKerry. They might as well have their names listed on the official DNC roster.

Your charges are without basis. Proof, please.

More later.....and thanks for the relative kindness from everyone....I appreciate that.The others are more tolerant than I am. You'll doubtless discover that.

[True American]

Don't you people get it?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?

I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway. I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state, beginning right after he's officially reinstated.

Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....
Yup! And then there's Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and The Easter Bunny too.

Further on, I read that you actually think you have valid points against Bush. You simply don't. There is absolutely no single issue that will bring Bush or Kerry together on the same page. This election, more than any other in American History will sort out once and for all, who are socialists and who are Americans.

[kate]

Don't you people get it?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?

I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway. I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state, beginning right after he's officially reinstated.

Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....
Did you come up with that theory before or after you tried to escape from that UFO that smashed against your head in Roswell?

Little hint:
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[Large_Al]

Grrly You better fear Kerry. Because when he signs on as he has said he would sign onto the world court you can throw the Constitution out the window.


You start your post with "Don't you get it people". So I'm thinking oh this will be a funny post and then when I get done reading it I realize you aren't Joking.

So you must believe that Carl Rove set up the bombing in Spain to influence voting.
Oh but that didn't work....Hummm?? The terrorist claimed responsibility for that already.

So if you believe Bush was behind this tape that was given to Al Jassera(sp) News you must believe that.

1. That Al Jassera is actually has a much better relationship with the Bush administration than it seems. Because lets face it...It seems that Al Jassera hates us and want's us to loose the war. But I guess not in your world

2. Bush had Osama make this tape so it could be put out during the last few days of the election? Cause they Osama is a big fan of Bush.

3. Bush has Osama in custody and forced him to make it?

4. Or do you believe Bush and Osama planned the 911 event because of their lenghty business dealings like jabba the Moore suggests?
And Bush had him make up the tape for this occasion so he can steal more oil.

5. Or that wasn't Osama it was a body double.

6. Or maybe I missed something and you have a better reason like the Weekly World News had that Alien that keeps butting his nose in our elections. Tell you this and now you must go forth and tell the world.

I would really like to know what you compelling arguement is that would lead you to believe this. Oh by the way The answer "Just because" doesn't hold water.

[Large_Al]

Grrly You made the statement that in just a few months Bush will turn this country into a totalitarian dictatorship or I should say slave state. Please explain how he will do this. You made this Hysterical statement now show me your proof!! Show me any shread of evidence that you have.

Gee...I think she Bailed again and won't be coming back.

[kate]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/binladen.tape/

He underscored it was U.S. foreign policy that led to the 9/11 attacks, saying, "Bush says and claims, that we hate freedom, let him tell us then, 'Why did we not attack Sweden?'"


When Bin Laden and the Leftists sound exactly the same, even the last idiot on earth should start wondering about if that's not maybe a little bit disturbing.

I'm convinced that this tape did not support Bush but furthermore underline the need for a REAL president. And that REAL presidents can't be people who don't know how to make a point and just come up with phrases, that's something we all know, and leftists should know too. Vote for G.W.Bush or you will be damned to live in fear.

My Moms cousin lives in the States. His son is 23 and he was a supporter of Michael Moore. After he heard bout the tape and what Osama said he said he wont vote for Kerry nore keep on encouraging his friends to do so but stay away from the elections. He said that he still doesnt want to support Bush, but doesnt want to support Kerry because he doubts Kerry will be able to do this job.

[Grrly]

Okay everyone,

Now we're getting to the emotional heart of this topic! This is good.

Try these sites for some factual information. READ them and then tell me what you really think. I am waiting to hear the arguments for some of this stuff.

Click here: 100 Facts and 1 Opinion (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts)

Click here: George W Bush and the 14 points of fascism - Project for the OLD American Century (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm)

Click here: GOP Theft of Our Election Is Under Way (http://www.opednews.com/wade_101504_election_theft.htm)

Click here: The Latest Bin Laden Video Tape Is A Fraud (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html)

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200409/NAT20040902a.html

http://members.aol.com/monicasf/nocoincidence/

[Wyatt_Junker]

Oh shit(trying to hold in laughter, involuntary snot bubble), she didn't just post those links did she?

[kate]

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said that high-strength aluminum tubes acquired by Iraq were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," warning "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." The government's top nuclear scientists had told the Administration the tubes were "too narrow, too heavy, too long" to be of use in developing nuclear weapons and could be used for other purposes.
I read that too somewhere, is that true? Any opposing reports on this?

[ReneeM]

WJ- Speaking of shit...i sure smell alot of HORSE SHIT! Come back when you can post some real links not a bunch of lefty BS! :bsflag:


Michael Moore, is that you?

[DoctorDoom]

• The Nation - on a par with Mother Jones and Village voice for objectivity. The overwhelming majority of the 100 "facts" are from "news" sources with at best a questionable reliability, e.g., NYT, LAT, WP, CBS, commondreams.org, etcetera. Typical leftist spin.

One "fact" exemplifies the Nation's rabid loathing of the president.

6. In May 2003, President Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit, stood under a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished," and triumphantly announced that major combat operations were over in Iraq. Asked if he had any regrets about the stunt, Bush said he would do it all over again.

Source: Yahoo NewsThe liberaloonies never forgave him for that magnificent morale-booster, but they don't say a f**king word about the Purple Bandaid "war hero" throwing medals over the fence at the Capitol building and lying his treasonous ass off to Congress about US servicemen.

• "Project for the OLD American Century-liberal news from unbiased sources" (from the website's browser title)

• "OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion Home Page" (from the website's browser title)

• WhatReallyHappened.com - "This website is anti-war and anti-lie." 'Nuff said.

• The CNS (an excellent news resource) page:

New York (CNSNews.com) - U.S. Rep. Major Owens, a New York Democrat, warned a crowd of feminist protesters that the Bush administration is taking America "into a snake pit of fascism."

Owens also said the Bush administration "spits on democracy" and is leading the country down a path reminiscent of "Nazi Germany."Major Owens? Good grief, Grrly, your credibility is in the negative numbers. That man is a certifiable lunatic. You're probably not old enough to remember this other glittering gem of liberal stupidity from Owens.

"What about the 200 million people who were lost in the Atlantic crossing? Very conservative estimates say that the slave trade, just the crossing of the Atlantic, bringing the slaves across, there were 200 million people who died just coming across. So great was the number of people who were thrown overboard that it altered the ecology of the ocean. The sharks even now trace, er, follow after ships along a trail, seeking the flesh that was thrown overboard in all those years, 200 years of the slave trade."
-- Rep. Major Owens, (D) New York, February 1995

Run the numbers that he pulled from his ass. THAT is the man that you're citing as a reliable source? Oy vey!

• Re the AOL page, "Is it a coincidence that" not a single one of those claims is backed up by a syllable of evidence? Whoever the hell MonicaSF is, she's about as credible as Major Owens.

Grrly, you're going to have to do a lot better than that for sources.

[Naturalized-Texan]

6. In May 2003, President Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit, stood under a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished," and triumphantly announced that major combat operations were over in Iraq. Asked if he had any regrets about the stunt, Bush said he would do it all over again.
The truth is that when President Bush landed on that carrier, major combat operations WERE over and the mission to remove Saddam from power HAD been accomplished. No sane person could possibly deny those FACTS.

[Maggie_T]

That's funny. I'm an All-American Mom living in the heartland. I love this country and everything it stands for. At least everything the Constitution stands for, which is why I HATE that it is being eroded by Bush and his cronies.Care to give us examples of how Bush is "eroding the constitution?" And please, please, do NOT give us left-leaning, anti-Bush webs as proven examples. That is, if you really are just a Concerned Heartland Mom.

I should also mention here that I am equally unimpressed by Kerry....and equally convinced of his own brand of political corruption....Ah, yes. Typical. Every time a liberal tries to conceal his/her liberalism, the first thing he/she does is say "I don't like Kerry." Nice try, dear. But we're not buying it.


however, I don't have the same level of FEAR for my life, and my kids' lives, that I do about Bush.And that is just the proof we need that you are a Kerry supporter. If you were not, you'd back Bush, especially if you really FEAR for you and your kids. The trade mark of every liberal is his/her "FEAR" of Bush.

Incidentally, a fact-fanatic like you surely knows that most women who support Bush are mothers and that the reason they support him is that they know their children will be safer with Bush in the WH.

Next!

Another four years won't be necessary....only a few months, and the country will be run by dictators, and your freedom to believe, speak and opine on forums like this will be history. So will the good old U.S. of A.Really? And yet it's liberals who want to forbid me from believing in God, not to mention praying to Him. They even want to get the G word out of the dollar bills, and they want to practically obliterate Christmas, while at the saem time they "encourage" (read, force) people to celebrate Hannuka, and the mythical Kwanzaa. Also, it's liberals like Kerry who invented the code "hate-crime" to prevent people from opining against homosexuality, abortion, etc.

All that is the work of the American left. That does not scare you?!

I hate to see my country dying, and my countrymen and -women dying, for corporate greed and apocalypse-mongering religious agendas.Aha! Another liberal trademark: their hatred for religion and big companies.

Sorry, whatsyourname. You blew it. You tried to pass yourself as a Heartland Mom and failed miserably.

You are nothing but yet another Bush/America-hating liberal posing as a Concerned Mom in order to come here (a conservative website) and spew your hatred for Bush as well as for what this country you say you love REALLY stands for.

Either that, or you are painfully ignorant of the real facts and are just a box of resonance for the LIES coming from the left (in other words, not very intelligent). In either case, you lose.


Extraordinary creatures, liberals. You'd think that after a life long career of lying, cheating, slandering, stealing they'd finally have become good at it. And yet they keep doing a sloppy job of it.

Amazing.

[ReneeM]

Maggie :claps: you DEFINATELY deserve poster of the month!! Proud to post with you!:)

[kate]

Grrly, I don't understand why you regard President Bush as a larger threat to your security than Kerry. You say you "don't like" Kerry. Well so be it. Even if I believed in that, then I would still see no reason for you to support him rather than President Bush.

Let me explain, did you maybe read the interview in the NYT (October) when Kerry said that the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon didn't change him much at all?

Does that not irritate you? So September 11 2001 when almost 3,000 innocent people lost their lives in America, while the whole world was watching on TV not believing their eyes, not WANTING to believe their eyes, did not change anything at all for Kerry and you feel your security to be threatened by President Bush?

See, I am not an American citizen but it did change A LOT for me. Kerry wants to be the president of the United States of America but it changed nothing for him "at all" to see that scenes on 9/11? How does that not make your knees shake of fear? Why do you not get scared of the thought that someone like that wants to be the President of your country? ESPECIALLY while you have American soldiers in the middle of a war.

Kerry doesn't realise the importance of this war. He says the war against terror is an intelligence and law enforcement operation. Does that make you feel better when you hear that words? Is that, why you support rather Kerry than Bush? You know, when I hear that words it doesn't make me feel better, it makes me feel sick and I bet I am not the only one who feels like that. It scares me to death when I hear that someone says something like that over the death of 3,000 people in his OWN goddamn country.

Like Bush said "you cannot win a war when you don't believe you're fighting one" and you won't win this war in Iraq, you won't be secure in your home, you won't be secure in your street, your kids won't be secure in their school, you won't be secure in your workplace if President Bush won't be re-elected because Kerry is ignorant and his ignorance will put your country and your life into the hands of those terrorists! He won't be a leader through this time.

The biggest threat to America and the free world is the radical Islamist and the damn liberal that will intentionally underestimate that Islamist to be elected into the White house or any other office chair!

[Wyatt_Junker]

Sweet post there Kate, or should I now start saying Doctor Doom's Doppleganger?

[ReneeM]

Kudos Kate!!:claps:

[Grrly]

All righty then.

I see you all didn't like my links. That is fine. But can you tell me where I could go to get a dissenting opinion quote other than liberal sites? All you get from Republican sites is ONE version of opinions....same with liberal sites. BOTH groups have elements of truth at their disposal. I just want to encourage more open-minded thinking and a willingness to question assumptions, both YOURS and MINE.

Funny now the NYT is not, according to some people here, a reliable unbiased source, and yet a Kerry interview in the NYT is quoted for use against me!

I am NOT a liberal, by the way, though I freely admit I agree with SOME liberal "causes." I am an Independent, and an independent thinker. I read pro-Bush websites too. I like to know what the political climate is at any given moment, and I like to see how both sides spin the news.
I don't plan to vote. Voting is rigged and pointless. Who wins means very little to me....and ultimately I do believe Bush will either win or will declare martial law to suspend inauguration of Kerry....hopefully martial law will not happen, and I hope and PRAY as much as any conservative that I am wrong, on almost every accusation and fear that I have mentioned on this forum. I feel that everyone truly wants the same things here....peace, safety and freedom.



You are nothing but yet another Bush/America-hating liberal posing as a Concerned Mom in order to come here (a conservative website) and spew your hatred for Bush as well as for what this country you say you love REALLY stands for.



This is rational argument? This is well-researched rebuttal of my theories and ideas? Looks to me like deliberate, pointed attack on my very identity AND ideology.

I AM a concerned Mom....and I do live in the heartland...and I DO believe in God...and I DO care about my kids....and the health and welfare of every American. Whether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me. I do NOT hate America, quite the opposite, I am only MOURNING for what she was meant to be.....and not just under Bush....but under all the corporate-bought-and-sold administrations for dozens of years, Republican and Democrat alike.

I don't hate Bush either....only his greed and the machinery that is driving his administrative policies.

My concern with Bush boils down to degree. How can you vote for someone who has said at one time that we will "smoke Bin Laden out of his hole" and do the same to all terrorists, then say a couple of weeks ago that he's not very concerned about Bin Laden? When leaders' remarks are quoted in multiple print media sources, as truth, then these same leaders are quoted with the opposite views, then these same leaders deny that the first quotes were ever said.....how can you not be insulted that our government believes we are so stupid as to FORGET the things they've told us? This would apply to the war, to terrorism, and many other things.

Bush made jokes about the WMD....jokes about Karla Faye Tucker in Texas...thousands of people are dying in his war....and he thinks it's funny? where is the human empathy and compassion in that? This is the guy you would have me entrust my children to?

I don't care what Kerry said or says.....he is NO BETTER than Bush.....and if he does win the election, I know that nothing will change for the better. This is ONE thing we all can agree on here. Both of them are Skull & Bones anyway, and both are owned and manipulated by the same behind-the-scenes players.

I don't care who you vote for....I support ALL of your rights to vote, speak, and believe ANY way that you want to. It is my fear that YOUR rights AND mine will be a thing of the past under Bush.....which drives me to speak out on this forum. Think, people. Read, think, read, think and let your mind open to the facts as they are, on both sides. Decide for YOURSELVES what you believe, and don't just toe the party line unless you have personally considered and accepted every element of Republican rhetoric.

God bless everyone, and may our country shine again, somehow, no matter who wins this thing.

[Maggie_T]

Thak you, Renee. You're sweet. :)

Kate, very well said.

Grrrly, or whatever she calls herself, is just another Bush-hating liberal, and don't let anyone tell you different.

We've suffered her kind before. Liberals who come to this conservative site simpering about not liking Kerry, or about not being a liberal, or about "wanting to learn what conservatives think." Trust me, their colors show quickly. As soon as their hatred gets the better of them.

[kate]

Excuse me, Grrly, did I get this right?

I read pro-Bush websites too. I like to know what the political climate is at any given moment, and I like to see how both sides spin the news.
Why when: Who wins means very little to me
:question:

Funny now the NYT is not, according to some people here,
a reliable unbiased source, and yet a Kerry interview
in the NYT is quoted for use against me!

I didn'T use the quote AGAINST you. I made a point.
You ignored the point.
The NYT - reliable source or not - did not write an article about it but actually INTERVIEWED him. He said it exactly as printed.
You don't see the trees in this forest.

I am an Independent, and an independent thinker
Are you? Hmm.. now what were you thinking when you said:

Bush made jokes about the WMD....jokes about Karla Faye Tucker in Texas...thousands of people are
dying in his war....and he thinks it's funny?

Hmm Well, what did the Liberals (and Independent) do? Think about what you saw from Michael Moore & his supporters. Hmm... things like:

http://www.cafepress.com/wmd404.6739741


thousands of people are
dying in this war

http://coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ?


funny?

SA260 S3 (Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003) HARKIN amendment to affirm "The decision of the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 113 (1973)) was appropriate and secures an important constitutional right should not be overturned." Passed. 52 to 48, 3/12/03.
Kerry: Pro-Abortion Vote


I AM a concerned Mom

1) S2549 Kill Murray (D-WA) amendment to allow abortions at overseas military hospitals. Passed 50 to 49, 6/20/00.
Kerry: Pro-Abortion Vote

S947 Strike from childrens health initiative ban of federal funds for abortions Failed 39 to 61 6/25/97
Kerry: Pro-Abortion Vote

read on here (http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/issues/abortion.htm)


This is the guy you would have me entrust my children to?

Health Coverage In 1994, Kerry Said Democrats Push Health Care Too Much. (Joe Battenfeld, “Jenny Craig Hit With Sex Harassment Complaint - By Men,” Boston Herald, 11/30/94)


I DO care about my kids

Health Coverage But suddenly now Kerry Calls Health Care His “Passion.” (Susan Page, “Health Specifics Could Backfire On Candidates,” USA Today, 6/2/03)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-01-health-usat_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-01-health-usat_x.htm)


This is the guy you would have me entrust my children to?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/5/210437.shtml

He is pro-choice, opposes the death penalty except for terrorists, favors gun control and would repeal the President's tax breaks for the wealthy.

He Voted No to limit Appeals (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00066), Voted no to reject racial Appeals, (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=2&vote=00106) Introduced mandatory DNA Testing (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquerytr/z?d107:HR00912:|/bss/d107query.html|)


I am trying to make people think...
maybe you should start trying to make yourself think first...

[True American]

Okay everyone,

Now we're getting to the emotional heart of this topic! This is good.

Try these sites for some factual information. READ them and then tell me what you really think. I am waiting to hear the arguments for some of this stuff.

Click here: 100 Facts and 1 Opinion (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts)

Click here: George W Bush and the 14 points of fascism - Project for the OLD American Century (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm)

Click here: GOP Theft of Our Election Is Under Way (http://www.opednews.com/wade_101504_election_theft.htm)

Click here: The Latest Bin Laden Video Tape Is A Fraud (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html)

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200409/NAT20040902a.html

http://members.aol.com/monicasf/nocoincidence/OK!
I admit, I'm up to your liberal idiocy challenge. I can't possibly imagine any Liberal giving me a point I can't debate and win with outstanding honors.



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100 Facts and 1 Opinion
The Non-Arguable Case Against the Bush Administration
by Judd Legum


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IRAQ

1. The Bush Administration has spent more than $140 billion on a war of choice in Iraq.

First of all: No one on Free Conservatives gives a crap about your idiotic LIBERAL sources. They are all LIARS!
$140 Billion spent on this war on Terror? OK! Exactly what price do you wish to place on the heads of 3,000 innocent civilians? This is how many were murdered in cold blood that we must seek revenge for. How about if YOUR KIDS were on flight 77 which burst into flames and killed everyone aboard on 9/11? How much would YOU want Americans to pay to avenge YOUR child's death? I must tell you, there is NO LIMIT! NO LIMIT; to how much I want to spend to bring those scumbags to justice. Answer this for US! What we all need to know is exactly how stupid you really are. We all know here that the Liberal Democrat should be wearing Pampers and sucking on pacifiers, but I'm giving you an option here to actually prove you're not the stupidest person alive. I doubt I'll get my proof.
2. The Bush Administration sent troops into battle without adequate body armor or armored Humvees.

I live about 2 miles from the gates of Fort Hood, TX. All my neighbors are 4th ID or 1st Cav. When we invaded Iraq, everything they had at Fort Hood was being shipped via train, truck and chopper to Houston and then shipped to Iraq. They have thousands of tanks. They have thousands of air support vehicles, they have every aircraft carrier available in the US navy minus two, they have every jet built to carry out their missions. They don't have body armour, because John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, John Edwards and Tom Daschle, along with a few more of those commie low lifes voted against it.

Sources: Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/02933,101061,00.html), The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2003/12/18/troops_seen_vulnerable_in_humvees)<<<The BOSTON GLOBE?????
You may have well put a link in from Josef Stalin himself.
3. The Bush Administration ignored estimates from Gen. Eric Shinseki that several hundred thousand troops would be required to secure Iraq.

Not adding source! "I" will be your stinking source! I actually fact find from non-partisan sources. (Though, I myself couldn't possibly be more partisan)
Donald Rumsfeld turned down the idea that we would need 100's of thousands of troops, because he knew that in the GULF WAR, Iraqis were simply laying down their arms and giving up. He never expected us to go to war this time, having absolutely NO ONE showing up! This is why there are stockpiled weapons all over Iraq! We were supposed to confiscate these from surrendering troops, but there were no armed troops surrendering. There were simply no troops at all.
4. Vice President Cheney said Americans "will, in fact, be greeted as liberators" in Iraq.

Not even going to waste my time reading your stupid link! I've read them before. Amazing how the liberally biased media that idiots like you listen to, only report the bad things in Iraq. Watch Fox News just once. Linda Vester, at noon. She reads a letter every day from an american soldier who pleads with the American Public to understand that not all Iraq News is bad! American soldiers are making Iraqis smile. They are building schools, and women are free. Wake up Dopey! Stop listening to the liberal daily rhetoric and grow a brain. Once you actually use your own head, you will begin to see the truth.
Source: The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A44801-2003Mar28?language=printer)

5. During the Bush Administration's war in Iraq, more than 1,000 US troops have lost their lives and more than 7,000 have been injured.

Should I post the amount of lives lost in Vietnam since Johnson became President? Hell, Kennedy got us into that war. Why not just give you each & every name from day one? 1,000 lives? Is this all you've got? These are soldiers stupid! At least these 1,000 people aren't working on the 110th floor of the World Trade Center while a friggin' plane flies into their office.
Source: globalsecurity.org (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm)

6. In May 2003, President Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit, stood under a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished," and triumphantly announced that major combat operations were over in Iraq. Asked if he had any regrets about the stunt, Bush said he would do it all over again.

The mission, as you retarded f'ing morons seem to keep forgetting was "REGIME CHANGE!" Guess what Numb Nuts... Hussein is actually GONE! Mission Accomplished! End of story! Get over it!
Source: Yahoo News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;am p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp; cid=615&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;am p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;e=8&u=/nm/20040926/pl_nm/campaign_bush_mission_dc) Yahoo News????? Yeah! There's a credible source. Have you ever heard of Reuters? or AP?

7. Vice President Cheney said that Iraq was "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11." The bipartisan 9/11 Commission found that Iraq had no involvement in the 9/11 attacks and no collaborative operational relationship with Al Qaeda.

Here's something to think over! OH! I forgot, you're friggin' brainless, but let me give you a clue dumb ass....
Israel was being hit by two to 3 suicide bombers per day when Saddam Hussein was in power. WHY? Because he was paying the families of suicide bombers to do this job and to a guy who is penniless, this is a pretty good way to help out his mother, father, sisters, brothers, wife & 5 kids. As soon as we ousted Hussein, this all stopped. Can you just imagine if Saddam were a little smarter than YOU are?
Hell, he might have thought about paying these nimrods to use suicide bombs in Grand Central Station in NY. Or maybe at a Barbara Striesand Concert, heaven forbid! Take your next links and stuff those up your anus too.
Source: MSNBC (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3403519/) , 9-11 Commission (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.htm)

I'm tired now! I've written enough....
You've given us 100 links here and as per usual in the land of the Socialist Liberal, you have wasted hours to give us links to Socialist Rhetoric. I'm positive now that nothing but Dogshit flows through your brain and I'm tired of you! You Bore me! Go buy an Osama bin Laden Kerry/Edwards Bumper Sticker and a Al Quaeda Kerry Button. This guy is begging to have us re-elect CLINTON! Exactly how freakin' stupid are you anyway?
Learn to think for yourself and not simply post non-sensicle rhetoric from Commies. If you can actually put one single sentence together which actually makes any sense at all, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, shut the "F" up and don't bother to vote at all. There's nothing more pathetic in America than an idiot who thinks they know what's going on!








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[kate]

If you had a tool to meassure stupidity, it would not be able to handle the enourmous ammount of it in her posts.

No matter if you start at a friendly base or not,I always forget that you can't even make a point to liberals if you stab them with a pen. They just don't understand. Hell, they don't even know what they are saying how can I expect them to understand what someone with more braincells is trying to say? I must be stupid too ;)

[True American]

All righty then.

I see you all didn't like my links. That is fine. But can you tell me where I could go to get a dissenting opinion quote other than liberal sites? All you get from Republican sites is ONE version of opinions....same with liberal sites. BOTH groups have elements of truth at their disposal. I just want to encourage more open-minded thinking and a willingness to question assumptions, both YOURS and MINE.

Funny now the NYT is not, according to some people here, a reliable unbiased source, and yet a Kerry interview in the NYT is quoted for use against me!


Try something Non-Partisan Honey! Yenno, like The Encyclopedia!
Comptons, Websters..... Try Associated Press, Reuters.....

Who you DON"T want editorials from???


ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, Boston Globe, NYTimes, Washington post... the list goes on for like , a thousand years.

[Warlady]

Grrly you are so misinformed. It's sad really. Bush is not greedy. How can you look at him and Laura and call them greedy? I live very close to Crawford, Texas and I can tell you he is well liked in this state. Loved by the people who know him best. You can't say the same about John Kerry. Democrats have a terrible record of defending our country. Five attacks under Clinton and he basically did nothing. That is why Bin Laden released that tape. He desperately wants Bush to lose to a Democrat. The fact that you believe that the Bush administration is responsible for the release of that tape to Al Jazeera, a company that loathes America and President Bush speaks volumes about you.

You claim to be an independent and an independent thinker. That's preposterous. We know independents and independent thinkers and hon you're not one of them. You are living in fear because you swallow all the garbage the left is shoveling you. If you were an independent thinker you would demand "evidence" of all the lies being told about the President. What freedoms have you lost in the last 4 years to back up your claims? It's not President Bush who is trying to shut down Ralph Nader. It's not Bush who is trying to shut down the freedom of speech of the swiftboat Vets. Bush didn't try to stop Michael Moore from showing his pack of lies in his crockumentary but Kerry and the Democrats are doing just that with "Stolen Honor" and any other documentary where people who know Kerry want their voices heard. Howard Dean stated clearly that if he is elected he was going to shut down Fox news. It's not the Republicans trying to stifle free speech. It's the Democrats. You have been brainwashed lady. That's why I pity you. You are as gullible as they come.

[DoctorDoom]

YEEHAH! The conservababes are on a roll!

[Warlady]

I just hate to see good Americans fall for that bullshit the Democrats are spewing. There is absolutely no evidence to back up their claims. None. The only people who fear Bush or should are the terrorists. It's laughable that the Democrats are concerned about our liberties since they're the ones trying desperately to take away Ralph Nader's and anyone with an opposing viewpoint. Using lawsuits to stop books from being published, documentaries from being shown, candidates from getting their names on the ballot. How anyone can say Bush is trying to take away their freedom is ridiculous and laughable. He has done no such thing. He also hasn't whined like a baby like Kerry has over the swiftboat ads. Kerry is a loser. It's not our fault the Democrats chose him. And to try to claim Bush is behind the Bin Laden tape? That's the last straw. Talk about a nut case. I think it should be pointed out that if Bin Laden could attack America to try to influence our election like he did in Spain he would do so. The fact that he hasn't been able to should show Americans that Bush is doing what he promised to do and that is keep us safe. So the next best thing Bin Laden could do was to make a tape. Considering how he has wanted everyone to believe he was dead I would say he is pretty desperate to come out of hiding. The timing she asked? The timing is because we are about to reelect Bush and Bin Laden wanted to stop it. He isn't very bright. No one has ever said he's a Rhodes scholar. He took a gamble. And he screwed up. Now all the Democrats can do is throw out the conspiracy theory that Bush did it. hahahahahaha

[Spadplanter]

Damn! How'd she find aout about our plot to turn everyone into slave, make the air and water unusable and generally screw up this whole planet? Does she also know that we are all going to a different planet after that?

Christ Almighty!

I have gotten SOOO sick of the liberal bullshit. No wonder they're voting for sKerry. They'll believe ANYTHING if it comes from a liberal source.

[Warlady]

You got their number spad. Some people are willing to believe the worst even about themselves. I don't understand it because I can't relate but I have seen it so many times that I know it to be true. It's as if it is easier to believe the worst about someone rather than search out the truth.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Grlly: You will never get the truth about the War on Terrorism or about anything political from ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCCNBCNYTIMESWASHINGTONPOSTLATIMES CHICAGOTRIBUNETIMENEWSWEEKUSNEWS or any other organ of the media wing of the DemonRAT Party.

[Grrly]

All right everyone,

I will not resort to the pettiness, name-calling, and childish insult-throwing that I am hearing here. Therefore, I am respectfully signing off on this topic....all I would dare to ask is that when our freedoms are gone, and our privacy is gone, and our kids are drafted to die for this war (and all the ensuing, neverending new wars) that you all seem to embrace so closely, that you remember the things I've said here.....though I doubt you will.

Here's some parting quotes for you, straight from the GOP elephant's mouth:

I'm answering this question here and the answer is, you cannot lead America to a positive tomorrow with revenge on one's mind. Revenge is so incredibly negative. -George W. Bush

From a personal perspective, I agree with what George is saying. The New Testament has been my guide. But I want to caution you both. Don't play God. Who are you two to be God?" --Billy Graham


If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
-- George W. Bush, half-joking about his transition in Washington, D.C., December 18, 2000, quoted from CNN

[CaliGirl]

Don't you people get it?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. This is just one of hundreds of tactics being used to intimidate and influence voting. Doesn't the timing, 2 days before the election, seem a little too convenient to you, after 3 years of nothing?

I realize none of this matters to any of you, since you are all voting for Bush anyway. I fail to see how anyone who loves their children would approve someone whose policies and actions will lead us to a totalitarian slave state, beginning right after he's officially reinstated.

Now for all of your well-brandished flames.....
Get your head outta of the sand!

[CaliGirl]

All right everyone,

I will not resort to the pettiness, name-calling, and childish insult-throwing that I am hearing here. Therefore, I am respectfully signing off on this topic....all I would dare to ask is that when our freedoms are gone, and our privacy is gone, and our kids are drafted to die for this war (and all the ensuing, neverending new wars) that you all seem to embrace so closely, that you remember the things I've said here.....though I doubt you will.You must be speaking of Kerry, right?

:patriot: Under GWB! :patriot:


Our FREEDOM will not be gone
Our PRIVACY will not be gone
Our KIDS WILL NOT BE DRAFTED
As to the war, have you ever heard of a war when NO ONE HAS DIED? I haven't! Maybe you are living in a pretend world, but for the most of us we are living today, in the real world in the USA.

[DoctorDoom]

I will not resort to the pettiness, name-calling, and childish insult-throwing that I am hearing here.First, you say you are an adult, but the Internet is an anonymous medium, and anyone can claim anything. Your writing is typical of the young & foolish kids that we get here frequently.

Second, we have been infested with liberals over the last several months. They swarm here like locusts, with no other purpose than to dazzle the conservative yahoos with their supernova-level brilliance and their transcendental wisdom. Typically, a dozen posts strip them of their false faces and expose the clueless liberals behind them.

Third, we are up to here with people claiming to be moderates or independents and then parroting the liberal doctrines almost verbatim.

Fourth, we long since stopped caring about the feigned sensitivity of trolls who come here to spew leftist nonsense with the specific purpose of pissing us off, and then whine because they piss us off and we react.

Summary: you fit the profile, and IMO you're merely the latest version.

Therefore, I am respectfully signing off on this topic...Thin-skinned people and political BBs do not mix. TTFN.

...all I would dare to ask is that when our freedoms are gone...Any freedoms that we are losing are the result of the libleft crapping on the Constitution in their quest for a socialist utopia.

... and our privacy is gone...Is your privacy gone? You have presented no evidence for that assertion. BTW, your use of computers and the Internet invite intrusion. If you are that paranoid about your privacy, get off the web and use the puter to play Freecell.

... and our kids are drafted to die for this war...It must be very difficult to remain so pristinely ignorant of reality in this age of information. There is no plan to reinstate the draft, despite the constant claims by the lying, treasonous "war hero" whose ass you are apparently kissing. There was a draft reinstatement bill recently, SPONSORED BY DEMOCRATS. The bill was crushed, with the only two votes in favor of it being cast BY DEMOCRATS. The military is getting a more than ample number of free-will enlistments to meet manpower needs, and they don't want a draft.

You can spout that egregious sKerry lie until the sun dies, and it won't make it any more true than it is today. It's anti-Bush propaganda and you are echoing it without the merest interest in looking into it. How typically liberal.

... (and all the ensuing, neverending new wars)...When wars are called for, they will be waged. The world is full of yipping, heel-biting Yorkies who think they're tough enough to go nose to nose with the Rottweilers, and they won't stop baiting the big dogs until their obnoxious heads are snapped off.

... that you all seem to embrace so closely...No one wants war, liberal. However, there are worse things than war.

... that you remember the things I've said here.....though I doubt you will.No, we won't. You have stated nothing that your equally clue-challenged liberal predecessors haven't already babbled to the point where we don't even pay attention any more.

[CaliGirl]

OFF topic:

I live very close to Crawford, Texas. I didn't know that! CaliBoy flew to Waco, TX last week on business. I asked him if time permitted to check out Crawford, but he didn't have the time. :unsmile:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I don't plan to vote. Voting is rigged and pointless. Who wins means very little to me....and ultimately I do believe Bush will either win or will declare martial law to suspend inauguration of Kerry...Okay, now I'm steamed! I took the time to wade through and read all the posts on this thread up to this one, and THEN I read these words.

Grrly,
Usually I am a relatively mild-mannered poster here at FC. I love the debate and banter, and participate with vigor. But this infuriates me. It is my STRONG belief that if you are not happy with things here in this country, you take advantage of our freedom of speech to voice your opinion AND THEN have the AUDACITY to announce that you are NOT acting upon your priviledge and duty as a citizen of the United States of America to VOTE, then your opinons hold no value, should not be taken into ANY consideration, and should be dismissed forth with. I am now putting that belief into practice, and exercising my ability to no longer consider you relevant to this discussion.

[kate]

Grrly, I'm disappointed. I directly replied to the statements you made, and you? You didnt reply to any of ours at all.

You came up with links, you came up with phrases but :

where were your arguements?
Where was your own opinion?
You call yourself an independent thinker but Grrly, do you think?
If so, why don't you share your thoughts?


You accused the President of destroying your life and country but you didn't ever say why you think he is doing that. When opposed, you did not bother to reply to it but rather posted another accusation against the President and the members of this board. Your shameless waste of our time and server-space is only topped by your decision to - now that you ran out of links to post, liberal phrases to repeat and accusations to make - leave the discussion you started.

You call yourself an "independent" but why do you state so many leftie-points then? Either because you are a leftie or because you have no clue what you are saying. (Hmm somewhat the same)

You know, when you came up with that conspiracy theory ( http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/think/13.gif )about the tape, maybe you should have come up with evidence or at least tried to back that theory up with more than just a conclusion. "Timing" .. that is no evidence. I think someone explained earlier on the example of Spain that this arguement about "Timing" is ridiculous. And what did you do? You ignored it. You ignored it like any other point made in this thread.

I am somewhat irritated that such a person like you has children. Let me repeat myself here:

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I am trying to make people think...

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maybe you should start trying to make yourself think first...

Good luck.

[True American]

OFF topic:

I didn't know that! CaliBoy flew to Waco, TX last week on business. I asked him if time permitted to check out Crawford, but he didn't have the time. :unsmile:
We're about 40 minutes away as well. It's really off the beaten track (Crawford is) It's not the type of place one goes just to check it out. One would go there for specific reasons, such as, getting "Western White House" paraphenilia. I would spend a day doing just that, but like I said, it's off the beaten track. And the stuff is kind of expensive.

[True American]

Okay, now I'm steamed! I took the time to wade through and read all the posts on this thread up to this one, and THEN I read these words.

Grrly,
Usually I am a relatively mild-mannered poster here at FC. I love the debate and banter, and participate with vigor. But this infuriates me. It is my STRONG belief that if you are not happy with things here in this country, you take advantage of our freedom of speech to voice your opinion AND THEN have the AUDACITY to announce that you are NOT acting upon your priviledge and duty as a citizen of the United States of America to VOTE, then your opinons hold no value, should not be taken into ANY consideration, and should be dismissed forth with. I am now putting that belief into practice, and exercising my ability to no longer consider you relevant to this discussion.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.................
We all noticed this too R/US, but we thought it best to mention it to Grrly on "WEDNESDAY!" LOL.
Who needs another brainless Zombie marching off to the polls to check off a ballot in the name of our opposition?

[ReneeM]

Looks like Grrly couldn't stand the heat so she ran fast as hell outta the kitchen! :flushlib.

[kate]

http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/agree/11.gif

[Large_Al]

Grrly said.
"I don't plan to vote. Voting is rigged and pointless. Who wins means very little to me....and ultimately I do believe Bush will either win or will declare martial law to suspend inauguration of Kerry....hopefully martial law will not happen, and I hope and PRAY as much as any conservative that I am wrong, on almost every accusation and fear that I have mentioned on this forum. I feel that everyone truly wants the same things here....peace, safety and freedom."


Martial Law?? I'm sorry, I'm done with you. You don't deserve to VOTE and I not going to listen to your paranoid delusions anymore. Go to your armed compound and wait for armageddon. IDIOT!!!

[Riverboat]

I love this country and everything it stands for. At least everything the Constitution stands for, which is why I HATE that it is being eroded by Bush and his cronies.
To the extent that Bush keeps upping the ante on federal spending and expanding the intrusivenes of the educational bureaucrats, I agree with you. But it's hard to take anything seriously by someone who posts links to The Nation.

Now, if you want to hear the voice of rational and sane dissent from the right, go no further than NationalReview.com (National Review).

[Grrly]

your priviledge and duty as a citizen of the United States of America to VOTE

"privilege," my fellow homeschooler, has no "d." It's always sad when teachers and homeschool advocates reveal themselves to be undereducated.

I'm done talking here on this topic. The lack of respect and genuine interest in ANY opposing ideas on this forum is amazing to me. If you want to think you intimidated me, that is fine. I am getting the clear idea that intimidation and "kill 'em all" is the order of the day here.

To those few who have actually been respectful, you have my mutual respect. Thank you!

[jag]

Okay,

I am trying to make people think and this is what you come up with?

This whole "Osama tape" was engineered by the Bush administration precisely to swing the election. and
"privilege," my fellow homeschooler, has no "d." It's always sad when teachers and homeschool advocates reveal themselves to be undereducatedto me is sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

[ReneeM]

I didn't know anyone hired you Grrly to be spell checker. :finger:

[DoctorDoom]

"privilege," my fellow homeschooler, has no "d." It's always sad when teachers and homeschool advocates reveal themselves to be undereducated.

I'm done talking here on this topic. The lack of respect and genuine interest in ANY opposing ideas on this forum is amazing to me. If you want to think you intimidated me, that is fine. I am getting the clear idea that intimidation and "kill 'em all" is the order of the day here.

To those few who have actually been respectful, you have my mutual respect. Thank you!Kid, you knew the nature of the board before you registered. Yet you did so, and proceeded to post the usual litany of liberal BS. Exactly what response did you expect?

You're just another in an endless influx of ill-informed, propaganda-saturated lefties who post utterly predictable, mantra-laced nonsense. Re respect, it isn't a right. It's earned. You haven't yet earned it.

And BTW, you've stated TWICE that you're not going to post here again. More liberal trustworthiness.

[kate]

"privilege," my fellow homeschooler, has no "d." It's always sad when teachers and homeschool advocates reveal themselves to be undereducated.


I don't think that one spelling error in a post can be a sign for someone to be undereducated. You obviously feel forced to pick on people's spelling errors now that you ran out of phrases to repeat. I feel pity for you.


I'm done talking here on this topic. The lack of respect and genuine interest in ANY opposing ideas on this forum is amazing to me.

You keep ignoring our replies, girl, so don't come up with this BS now. I tried to show respect for your opinion but not for you personally. And if you ignore me you don't respect me and why should I respect you then? After all, I only respect people that deserve my respect. I don't respect EVERYONE.


If you want to think you intimidated me, that is fine. I am getting the clear idea that intimidation and "kill 'em all" is the order of the day here.


You're "clear idea" is - like everything you have stated before - "clear" bullshit. To be honest, I don't think that you don't know by yourself that you are running away basically because you have no liberal lie left in your brainwashed head to repeat. You know it. I know it so let's face it: Stfu before you make a bigger fool out of yourself (how often did you say you will stay out of this topic, girl?) and piss more people of with your disrespectful posting.


After all, you seem to like abusing your privilege to be a member of this board.

[Naturalized-Texan]

You keep ignoring our replies, girl, so don't come up with this BS now.
Grrly has only been programmed to parrot liberal talking points, so when you reply to her she can only respond as programmed.

[Patriot Heart]

Grrly
If you are still reading this thread......I still must ask, WHAT specific evidence can you show that the Bush administraion has negatively impacted your life??? There have been no terrorist attacks in this country since 9/11. Does that give you NO sense of security? I take it you didn't enjoy your tax cut, I sure enjoy mine. I see you homeschool too. Kerry and his Lib friends would LOVE to take that right from you so they can get your little ones on their indoctrination wagon. Be CLEAR on why Kerry would make your life BETTER. I'm still waiting.....
Patriot Heart in OK

[Westbrook]

Grrrly, if you are really a homeschooler, perhaps you should be able to remember that the last time we had a DemoncRAT (intentional misspelling) president, we had to fight battles almost every year to keep the FedGov OUT of our private homeschools.

Homeschoolers are already more accountable than the Tax-funded, Union-run commie indoctrination kamps (intentional misspelling), euphemistically called "Public Schools", because we are REQUIRED to show year-over-year progress in year-end evaluation and assessments.

But this was never good enough for Slick Willie's union thug buddies in the gummint (intentional misspelling) schools. They always wanted more and more and more and more and more information, and they continually tried to impose curricula that opposed our worldview and our values.

If you were a member of the Home School Legal Defense Association during the Klintoon (intentional misspelling) administration, you would know this.

[Westbrook]

Oh, by the way, since George Bush has been president, we have not had one, NOT ONE, challenge mounted against homeschoolers at the Federal level.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

"privilege," my fellow homeschooler, has no "d." It's always sad when teachers and homeschool advocates reveal themselves to be undereducated.

Excuse me for committing a typo faux pas -- I suppose your typing skills are that of pure perfection, no?

If you are basing your opinion of my "under-education" on a typing error, I would say you are revealing more about your character and nature than I have mine by a typo. I have homeschooled for over 11 years, and you? Would you like to list your credentials qualifying you and your opinon to be allowed on this Forum?

At least when I complain about a candidate not only have I "done my homework" but I act upon my knowledge -- I VOTE. How disrespectful you are to the founding fathers, to all this country stands for, that you would whine and expect others to listen raptly at your opinion when you don't even do your civic duty by VOTING.

If you choose not to come back to read this, that's fine. However if you are lurking, you can call me anything you want -- but if you really want your opinions to be taken seriously, I would suggest you ACT upon them. Respect is earned, not freely given. Most people do not want to be preached to by one who does not PRACTICE what they preach.

[Riverboat]

Whatever.

If this is someone's idea of an October Surprise, I think it's been losing air since it was broadcast. The Democrats were expecting Bush to produce the gen-yoo-wine Sammy before the election, not a filmed version. By their reckoning, this should hurt Bush's chances, not help. Yet here is someone claiming that Bush came out with this to help him get reelected. It doesn't add up, to be charitable.

[Maggie_T]

I don't hate Bush either....only his greed and the machinery that is driving his administrative policies.
I rest my case.




And BTW, I wonder who much "research" went into that little "non-partisan" gem. :question: