Will it REALLY be 'too close to call'?

[Blowback]

Every major news outlet, including Fox, says so.......but I wonder if it's just a ratings ploy.

What do y'all think?

[cowgirl]

Every major news outlet, including Fox, says so.......but I wonder if it's just a ratings ploy.

What do y'all think?
I think that every poll is jumping around at this point but Bush has a consistant minimum of a 1 pt lead, I do think it is going to be very close but not too close to call. So far Kerry has been up for a point for a day on some of the polls but if consistancy is the key then Bush has it.
The papers just do not want to put themselves in a postion to be wrong so it safer to say too close to call.
I do not sense there will be a land slide but we are all operating off the polls, what else do we have to look at.
It is kind of funny because everyone is saying do not look at the polls.... how can you not look??
LOL

[Naturalized-Texan]

I think that every poll is jumping around at this point but Bush has a consistant minimum of a 1 pt lead, I do think it is going to be very close but not too close to call. So far Kerry has been up for a point for a day on some of the polls but if consistancy is the key then Bush has it.

Weekend polls are invariably biased towards the DemoncRAT candidate. That's why Kerry appears to be up a point.

[DoctorDoom]

Polls don't mean diddly squat. There are a dozen a day and they're all over the ballpark. Go to Weather.com and look up the five-day forecast for your area. It will be far more accurate than the polls.

[Sinanju]

No... It is not to close to call...


I profit nothing from ratings... I make no wages from predictions... If I am wrong, then I am wrong...

But I WILL CALL THIS ELECTION...

Bush wins the popular vote by 8% or more...

THe electoral map will look like that photo of Kerry in Vietnam where the Swiftboat Veterans removed all the people who didn't support the traitor....

I have my doubts about Kerry even taking his home state....

[Kathy29]

Logic and reason tell me that if democrats say it's too close to call, it really means Bush is way ahead.

I just heard that the turnout in CA is supposed to be an unheard of 70%. That kind of turnout hasn't existed in a presidental election since Prop 13 routed voters out of bed and that was in 1986.

A big turnout usually means the state is going to go republican. California is a democrat state, we hear it every day. That's not precisely true. Los Angeles is democrat, so is San Francisco. The rest of the state throws up its hands and stays home.

It is only when sufficiently roused and angered that California republicans go to the polls. The democrats have comforted themselves with CAs 55 electoral votes. It came as a huge surprise when we voted in a republican governor, who is wildly popular.

I would not be surprised if this time, CA goes republican.

[Celebraman]

I would not be at all surprised if this talk about the election being too close to call is all talk and nothing else. I've noticed that this talk comes mostly from democrats and that's what you'd expect from them. Maybe it will be as close as some say, but I'm not so sure. I feel confident that Bush will prevail in the end, and I think he could wind up with a win that is not a crushing landslide, but is sufficiently decisive.

[Estragon]

I, for one, will be shocked if California went for Bush.

The typical Democrat foot-dragging in Cuyoga County {Cleveland}, Ohio, may make that state's vote a late call. If it is close on EC votes, Hawaii may be the key - also a big surprise.

The thing I find hardest to believe is that Bush is running so strongly in traditional Democratic strongholds like New Jersey, Minnesota, and Hawaii, yet the national polls are still "deadlocked." It seems counterintuitive.

Republicans far outperformed the polls' estimate of their votes in 1980, 1984, 1994, and 2002. Even 1996 was much closer than anyone except Zogby predicted, GOP support again being vastly underestimated by most.

Watch for early returns from Maine's 1st CD, Florida {compare the margins in Democratic strongholds with Gore's from 2000}, PA {if Philadelphia turnout isn't huge, Bush has a great chance at the state}, NJ also.

I am very upbeat about the prospects tomorrow.



Polls don't mean diddly squat. There are a dozen a day and they're all over the ballpark. Go to Weather.com and look up the five-day forecast for your area. It will be far more accurate than the polls.:icon133:

Ya know, it's always bugged me that they waste time predicting five days out, when they can't even tell me with certainty if it's going to rain tomorrow!

My late father, a Weather Channel addict up until his final hours, always scoffed at the "60% chance of rain" predictions. "It's always a 50% chance," he often said, "It will either rain, or it won't!"

:thumb:

[Webruary]

Here is an interesting thought....

Can anyone tell me what happens if it all boils down to the Supreme Court having to make a decision again and Justice Rehnquist incapacipated ? What happens of the result is a 4-4 split ?

[Beowulf]

I think it will be too close too call and we'll be waiting for awhile. I keep hearing about how swing states are all leaning toward Kerry. I hope that's false.

[UnkHiram]

The Polls are crap, Tommorrow we know for sure. In my heart I KNOW that the American people will NOT choose a liberal lying UN loving lowlife from Massachuttes, Now I just need to convince my head and my ulcer.

[Aethariel]

Ya'll are going to be in a shock when Kerry wins by a sizable margin...

Shock, followed shortly by name-calling, sour grapes, accusations of cheating, and likely many dire predictions of doom. Oh, well. That's what ye get for trusting your "heart" over zee cold, brutal power of scientific calculation. AhhhhHhh...yes...

~Aethariel

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: My prediction for tomorrow is that Ätherial won't show up at this BB.

[SmellyFed]

The only thing in life that's truely "too close to call" is the number of sheets to pull off the roll when pulling up from the john.

[Incident_command]

Ya'll are going to be in a shock when Kerry wins by a sizable margin...

Shock, followed shortly by name-calling, sour grapes, accusations of cheating, and likely many dire predictions of doom. Oh, well. That's what ye get for trusting your "heart" over zee cold, brutal power of scientific calculation. AhhhhHhh...yes...

~Aethariel

Well if thats how you feel why wait.
You are a colossal asshole!

[SmellyFed]

Shock, followed shortly by name-calling, sour grapes, accusations of cheating, and likely many dire predictions of doom. Oh, well. That's what ye get for trusting your "heart" over zee cold, brutal power of scientific calculation. AhhhhHhh...yes...

~Aethariel


All you have done is to verify what the Democratic strategy is in the event of a Bush win. I suggest you take your fear-year-long temper tantrum and put it away in a "lockbox."

[dajoga]

I don't plan on losing any sleep over polls or this election.

[lazyeyd]

Every major news outlet, including Fox, says so.......but I wonder if it's just a ratings ploy.

What do y'all think?
I really hope not. I want this thing to over as soon as possible. I want Bush to win, but I will happy if one of them wins by a large margin so we don't have to sit through a month or so of lawsuits back and forth again. If that happens, I probably won't vote again.

[brakitdwn]

Just look at the crowds. At the Kerry places - very few at the plane to meet him - the crowds are subdued. I saw a shot of Kerry in a stadium today - the media keeps doing these weird UP shots at him....shooting from at his feet up into the sky...I couldn't figure out why - but I got a glimpse at the stadium - it was practically empty and the crowds are subdued - un motivated - the microphones are having a hard time picking them up while the Bush rallies are high powered and extremely motivated - at the Bush stops - many hundreds of folks greet him and see him off at the airports.

Just my take - Bush in a landslide.

[brakitdwn]

:moo: My prediction for tomorrow is that Ätherial won't show up at this BB.
Except to peek in on the celebration. :hissyfit:

[Wyatt_Junker]

Just look at the crowds. At the Kerry places - very few at the plane to meet him - the crowds are subdued. I saw a shot of Kerry in a stadium today - the media keeps doing these weird UP shots at him....shooting from at his feet up into the sky...I couldn't figure out why - but I got a glimpse at the stadium - it was practically empty and the crowds are subdued - un motivated - the microphones are having a hard time picking them up while the Bush rallies are high powered and extremely motivated - at the Bush stops - many hundreds of folks greet him and see him off at the airports.

Just my take - Bush in a landslide.
Actually, that's true. I saw one clip today and he was pumping his fist on stage to like 30 people. It was wierd. But he kept it up like he was the second coming. What a strange dance. It was nearly a Sybil moment.

[The_Elucidator]

You guys just don't get it!! The stadium was packed, you just can't see em. Remember, dead people, fictional characters and cartoon characters won't actually show up on the TV camera, but trust me, they are there! And all those dead people, fictional characters and cartoon characters will vote in every swing state today. Also, if you look really close you will see some of those "world leaders" who are saying that he needs to win! Shhhhhhh, I see dead people!

:crazy:

[ReneeM]

I have heard the support for Bush is as strong as it was for Reagan in 84' and we all know what hapened then!:) We actually like our guy. The libiots don't like Kerry but they loathe Bush. I just don't see sKerry getting a win with that kind of support!

[Beowulf]

Aetherial is a brainwashed college junior. I like your profile, "Agree with me or die." Sounds like a communist thought to me. Read mine now. "Yes, I have an attitude problem. No, I have no intention of fixing it."

That's the problem with you college kids. You see the world through a text book, you're poisoned with Liberal professors or you adopt Daddy's ideals as your own. You're scared from the threats of a draft that are totally false. You all seriously think that talking with terrorists and mad men like Hussein and Kim Jong Il (sp) will actually make them friendlier. Diplomacy had it's chance with Hussein in the form of 14 broken UN resolutions by Saddam Hussein. The time for talk ended.

Hey college boy, try venturing out into the world and see what it's really like. Put on the uniform of the US military and get that perspective. I have my educational credentials and have served the military. One of the most prized memories I have of Iraq from Desert Storm was of a small Arab boy waving a US flag and saying over and over the only English words he knew, "USA! USA! USA!"

[Aethariel]

I like your profile, "Agree with me or die." Sounds like a communist thought to me.
And it appears you can't even cite someone's profile without taking things out of context, eh? :duh:

You see the world through a text book, you're poisoned with Liberal professors or you adopt Daddy's ideals as your own.
Ohh, yes, I've been poisoned by all of those eeeevil liberal professors, who gleefully inject politics into our daily discussions of function topology, philosophy of biology, and dynamical systems. Nothing says devotion like tying a "be liberal" message into a lecture on uniform continuity-- that's a tough job.

scared from the threats of a draft that are totally false.
Oh, geez. We both know there isn't going to be a draft, and you'd look like less of an idiot if you didn't presume everyone else is one.

Hey college boy, try venturing out into the world and see what it's really like. Put on the uniform of the US military and get that perspective.
Oh, believe me, they tried to get me. I'm just happy I'm through getting daily phone calls from every branch of the armed services-- I had no intention of serving then, nor do I have any such intentions now. Heck, I doubt that I'd serve even if there was a draft, unless I saw good reason to do so.

~Aethariel

[Naturalized-Texan]

Oh, believe me, they tried to get me. I'm just happy I'm through getting daily phone calls from every branch of the armed services-- I had no intention of serving then, nor do I have any such intentions now. Heck, I doubt that I'd serve even if there was a draft, unless I saw good reason to do so.
~Aethariel
Just as I figured. You hate the United States of America so much that you don't think that it's even worth fighting for. Since that's the case, you should move somewhere more to your liking, say Cuba or N. Korea or Iran or Syria or Cambodia. I'm sure that you would be much happier in those leftist hell-holes than you are here.

[Faithful_Servant]

Oh, believe me, they tried to get me. I'm just happy I'm through getting daily phone calls from every branch of the armed services-- I had no intention of serving then, nor do I have any such intentions now. Heck, I doubt that I'd serve even if there was a draft, unless I saw good reason to do so.

~AetharielGeez, more of A$$theriel's crap. Back on the ignore list.

[Aethariel]

You hate the United States of America so much that you don't think that it's even worth fighting for.
Nope, we have a great country, but in addition to refusing combat duties, I also have pretty strict criteria regarding a "just war." That said, I would not serve in a draft if I thought it was to facilitate an unjust war, or political posturing.

However, if America truly came under attack and needed to call up a draft for legitimate military aims, I would gladly offer my services in a non-combat role.

Since that's the case, you should move somewhere more to your liking, say Cuba or N. Korea or Iran or Syria or Cambodia.
:duh:

~Aethariel

[Sinanju]

"However, if America truly came under attack and needed to call up a draft for legitimate military aims, I would gladly offer my services in a non-combat role."


Just bear in mind my fellow conservatives.... when something like Ureathra here just posted actually happens...

People like Ureathra will be the first killed in the fight....

[SmellyFed]

Originally Posted by Aethariel
Oh, believe me, they tried to get me. I'm just happy I'm through getting daily phone calls from every branch of the armed services-- I had no intention of serving then, nor do I have any such intentions now. Heck, I doubt that I'd serve even if there was a draft, unless I saw good reason to do so.

~Aethariel

Recruiters have an interesting job, their job is to call all males who have signed up for selective service and offer them a job in the armed services.
That isn't to say that they are going to want to hire all the kids - only that they telemarket all the kids.

They won't take just anybody.

Just because they called you doesn't mean they really "wanted" you. I'm sure the feeling was mutual. The last thing our armed services need are ranks of merry-andrews and sunshine patriots.

When I signed the papers in 88, I knew there was always a chance I'd be going to war - and even a chance I wouldn't come back. I signed them anyway. Not that I'm Rambo or anything, but I felt a sense of duty.

Oddly enough, my recruiter goofed up my paper-work so I had to come back home and sign up again. I signed up for college instead that time and received an understanding phone call from the recruiter apologizing for the confusion and wishing me luck in college.

There are great people in the military - I have dozens of friends serving right now in Iraq. I can give you names, ranks, units and postal addresses anytime you want. Your comments here do a great disservice to them.

I believe you're a coward. Cowards add to the burden of true patriots. Someone must stand in the gap and take your watch which many are willing to do - but they should not be ridiculed for it.

>I doubt that I'd serve even if there was a draft, unless I saw good reason to do so.

Do us all one small favor and stay in the commercial sector. While we do need an Army, we don't need one formed of fools.

[Naturalized-Texan]

However, if America truly came under attack and needed to call up a draft for legitimate military aims
Our country DID come under attack on 9/11/2001 and that attack forced us to fight the War on Terror. The War on Terror is clearly a just war. Tthe military is defending the United States fromfurther attacks, so there is no denying that the military is being used for legitimate military aims.It's clear that you have forgotten about what happened on 9/11/2001,so here are some reminders:

http://users4.ev1.net/~rwadding/WTC-1.jpg
http://users4.ev1.net/~rwadding/WTC-6.jpg
http://users4.ev1.net/~rwadding/WTC-7.jpg

If you deny the above, you have clearly been brainwashed by left-wing BIG LIE PROPAGANDA that your fellow leftist, Josef Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, would be immensely proud of.

[UnkHiram]

NT

Dont confuse this poor fool with facts. They tend to disagree with his preprogrammed beliefs.

[DoctorDoom]

Isn't it about time to purge these puking, whining, snivelling, pseudointellectual trolls with the finality of a bowel movement? I've had it up to my eyebrows with their triune godhead, "Me, myself and I". The craven, gutless, jelly-spined little pissants aren't worth the sweat from the armpits of our men and women in uniform.

I pity them, because they'll be useless until the day they die. They'll lie uncorrupted in their graves because even bacteria won't soil themselves with their putrid flesh.

[DoctorDoom]

I doubt that I'd serve even if there was a draft, unless I saw good reason to do so.Spoken like a true coward.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
-- Samuel Adams

[SunnyBrook]

Wyatt:

Your little one is precious!

[tacitus]

Nope, we have a great country, but in addition to refusing combat duties, I also have pretty strict criteria regarding a "just war." That said, I would not serve in a draft if I thought it was to facilitate an unjust war, or political posturing.

However, if America truly came under attack and needed to call up a draft for legitimate military aims, I would gladly offer my services in a non-combat role.


:duh:

~Aethariel
Were you on another planet on 9/11?

Stay home, we really don't need ambulance drivers any more.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Wyatt:

Your little one is precious!
You should see his older bro. Maybe I should do a pic of him too.

Both of them have their momma's good looks fer sure.

[Suzie]

Aethariel makes me thankful I married wisely.