Who do we send to defeat Hillary in 08 now? [Archive]

True American

11-04-2004, 06:26 PM

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We are now in a dilemma as republicans. Who do we chose next election to beat Hillary Clinton? Well, it would have to be a moderate man who can snatch the women's vote away from a female candidate. How about THIS GUY?

Naturalized-Texan

11-04-2004, 06:33 PM

No way! He's a RINO. Condoleezza Rice for President '08.

Warlady

11-04-2004, 06:35 PM

I think it will be whoever GW Bush decides to back. I don't believe it has to be a moderate. We have 160 million votes who will vote for whoever Bush campaigns for/with.

AZScreamingEagle

11-04-2004, 06:41 PM

John McCain

Pataki

Romney

Giuliani

Condoleeza Rice

Those seem to be pretty good bets to me.

I really do support McCain though, he's somewhat moderate, but

I think he could wipe out the scorned wife. :wave:

:solder:

Rink

11-04-2004, 06:44 PM

has anyone ever thought of Jeb Bush???

ronin9

11-04-2004, 06:46 PM

even though giuliani is semi-liberal,he would kill her.

ronin9

11-04-2004, 06:56 PM

has anyone ever thought of Jeb Bush???jeb's agreat gov. like his brother was.good conservative.good shot for '08

Warlady

11-04-2004, 06:57 PM

I refuse to vote for a Rhino. That includes John McCain, and Rudy Giulliani. There are so many more choices than those Republican party liberals. John McCain voted against all 3 tax cuts. Rudy Giulliani is pro-choice and pro-gun control. And I don't think Condi Rice has ever disclosed her positions on abortion or gun control. I'm not ready to even discuss the election that is 4 years away. I am still exhausted from the last one. Can't we have a few months off?

Sinanju

11-04-2004, 06:58 PM

Hello McFly....

We send Bush...

LAURA BUSH!

ReneeM

11-04-2004, 07:04 PM

Sean Hannity '08 :grin: I think Jeb would be a good choice, all the bush's would make the lefties want weed!!LOL

ThomasIsUnderrated

11-04-2004, 07:07 PM

Mark sanford

Naturalized-Texan

11-04-2004, 07:26 PM

John McCain - NO WAY!

Pataki - NO WAY!

Romney - NO WAY!

Giuliani - Maybe.

Condoleezza Rice - YES!

Mark Sanford - ? (I don't know anything about him.)

Rink

11-04-2004, 07:57 PM

Nobody wants Jeb Bush to run in 08?

why?

True American

11-04-2004, 08:05 PM

Nobody wants Jeb Bush to run in 08?

why?
Jeb is too nice I think. Jeb isn't made for the kind of grueling he'd take in a presidential election. I might be wrong, but he just seems too much of a pussy cat to get into the mud slinging that's involved in such a high stakes campaign.

Rink

11-04-2004, 08:07 PM

Thing of it is, that 'niceness' of Jeb Bush may well work in his favor in another acrimonious race against the 'she-b-i-itch' Hillary.

I wouldnt underestimate him any, as you can see with most of the family are successful veteran politicians.

Apollo5600

11-04-2004, 08:08 PM

I will not vote for Guiliani because of his pro-abortion positions, and I will not vote for Mccain.

Maybe Condi, but I don't know where she stands.

Jeb seems like a nice pick if he is like his brother.

Rink

11-04-2004, 08:11 PM

I think Jeb has been kept out of the spotlight for a reason, he's the quiet one that just may help in 08, i wouldnt underestimate him, not if he is like the rest of the family :D

besides he's been doin an incredible job taking care of Florida, having 3 hurricaines in a row, he did a fantastic job of handling that without a hitch.

Timberwolf

11-04-2004, 08:28 PM

What about Santorum, Tancredo, or Owens (governor of CO)??

Rink

11-04-2004, 08:45 PM

Problem is I dunno enough abpit them to be sure of where they stand.

Now if i am correct is it Tancredo that opposed the open borders at the Mexican/American borders and wanted them closed?

I may be incorrect about this as i am not good with names.

Sorry.

ThomasIsUnderrated

11-04-2004, 09:18 PM

A big "no" to Santorum. It would be like trying to run John Ashcroft.

Mark Sanford, on the other hand, is about as conservative as Santorum, but unlike Santorum, he doesn't carry much, if any, baggage.

For those who don't know, Mark Sanford is the governor of South Carolina. He is a straight shooter, and he connects with the people like few politicians I've seen.

For example, as a protest of the state legislature's decision to override his vetoes of pork-filled bills, he brought two live pigs into the state house. (At least one of the two pigs accidentally defecated on the floor.) The local media tried to portray it as a shameful act, but the public loved it.

Estragon

11-04-2004, 11:04 PM

Mark Sanford, on the other hand, is about as conservative as Santorum, but unlike Santorum, he doesn't carry much, if any, baggage.

For those who don't know, Mark Sanford is the governor of South Carolina. He is a straight shooter, and he connects with the people like few politicians I've seen.

For example, as a protest of the state legislature's decision to override his vetoes of pork-filled bills, he brought two live pigs into the state house. (At least one of the two pigs accidentally defecated on the floor.) The local media tried to portray it as a shameful act, but the public loved it.
They will begin to know Sanford, TIU, even if you and I have to tell them!

Sanford first ran for public office for Congress in the 1st District of South Carolina upon the retirement of Arthur Ravenel. In a crowded GOP primary field that included the young and dynamic state party chairman and several experienced state legislators, he ran a low-budget campaign, refusing all PAC money and promising, if elected, to serve no longer than three terms.

He won, and spent part of his first year in DC sleeping in his House office until he could find a small, inexpensive apartment, because he had no intention of buying a house in the area. His family remained in SC; his kids stayed in their same schools, and he commuted home on weekends. Sanford returned unused office expense money to the US Treasury each of his six years in Congress.

After three terms, he kept his word, left DC, and returned to his real estate business. After Democrat Jim Hodges made a total train wreck of our state government, once again a number of GOP heavyweights lined up for the right to oppose his reelection. Sanford was a late entrant to the field, upon the urging of the rank and file.

He has the Reaganesque quality of being a strong conservative, but being optimistic and likable at the same time. He aggravates his opponents with his popular appeal and political successes, but they don't hate him.

Sanford would also appeal to the McCain crowd and independents and Democrats with his refreshingly open approach. Citizens love him. He was a dark-horse longshot in both his first run for Congress and for Governor, but he has never lost an election.

Here he is on a trade mission to Turkey:

http://www.kampanyaturk.gen.tr/foto/Kisiler/mark_sanford.jpg

:thumb:

Wyatt_Junker

11-04-2004, 11:19 PM

Does this Sanford have a son & own a junkyard?

newrepublican

11-05-2004, 02:24 AM

Bill Frist?

Beowulf

11-05-2004, 05:28 AM

I'm with Warlady. The next election is 4 years away. Right now, Decision 08 isn't even on my mind yet. Maybe during the summer of 2007 when candidates start throwing in their hats I'll start talking about it.

Large_Al

11-05-2004, 07:17 AM

WWW.rice2008.com (http://www.rice2008.com)

tacitus

11-05-2004, 07:37 AM

While Dr. Rice appears to be a great selection, she has never held an elected office. While that is not a requirement, she will be a target for the lefties and we all know how they lie.

Owens or Tancredo would be fine with me, but Tom carries too much baggage because of his stance on illegals. Bush would never support him, but he might support Owens. Owens would be or, but Hillary would shred him in the debates. He's too quiet for my liking.

We'll find our who will be tossing their hat or sombrero into the ring in about 18 months.The Republicans need someone that will kick Hillary's fat ass!

Black Phoenix

11-05-2004, 07:42 AM

LAURA BUSH, (four more years!)

How about Alan Keys? He's no moderate, that's for sure.

Warlady

11-05-2004, 08:26 AM

Alan Keyes just lost an election. I think that makes his third election he's lost. He ran for President twice didn't he? I don't think Jeb Bush is interested in running for POTUS.

Faithful_Servant

11-05-2004, 08:31 AM

The more I hear about Sanford, the more I like the guy. I think that a Sanford/Owens ticket would be incredible.

http://www.nga.org/cda/images/MARKSANFORD.jpg
MARK SANFORD (http://www.nga.org/governors/1,1169,C_GOVERNOR_INFO^D_417,00.html) learned the themes of hard work and frugality with two brothers and a sister on their family farm near Beaufort, South Carolina. He graduated from high school in Beaufort before attending Furman University in Greenville, South Carolina, where he received a bachelor's degree in business. He later received a master's degree in business administration from the University of Virginia's Darden School of Business and went on to work in real estate finance and investment in New York and Charleston. Sanford had no prior political experience before being elected to Congress in 1994. He served six years in the U.S. Congress, serving on the Joint Tax Committee and International Relations Committee, among others, before voluntarily stepping down in 2001 to honor a personal commitment to limit his time in Washington.

<edit> Read the last sentence about Sanford. He voluntarily stepped down from his Congressional seat and two of the most influential committees in congress. He did it because he promised to!! A man of his word. I like this guy!

http://www.nga.org/cda/images/BILLOWENS.jpg
BILL OWENS (http://www.nga.org/governors/1,1169,C_GOVERNOR_INFO^D_121,00.html) holds a master's degree in public administration from the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas. He worked for 20 years in the private sector with the consulting staff of Deloitte and Touche, with the Gates Corporation, and as director of a trade association. Prior to becoming governor, Owens served in the state house and senate as Colorado treasurer. He was sworn in as Colorado's 40th governor in January 1999, and was reelected in 2002 with the greatest majority in Colorado history. As governor, he pushed through the largest tax relief package in state history, amounting to $1 billion in cuts in rates of sales, personal income, and capital gains taxes, and the elimination of the marriage penalty, earning high marks for his fiscal leadership.

Warlady

11-05-2004, 08:46 AM

Sounds good to me. If Bush has a good 4 years he'll have coattails. If he were to back those two I believe he'll get the 58 million votes again.

JonECat

11-05-2004, 09:17 AM

tacitus

11-05-2004, 10:02 AM

From the Sanford bio:
"He served six years in the U.S. Congress, serving on the Joint Tax Committee and International Relations Committee, among others, before voluntarily stepping down in 2001 to honor a personal commitment to limit his time in Washington."

He just got my vote. :claps:

HomeschoolrsRUs

11-05-2004, 10:14 AM

How do you all feel about J.C.Watts (should we be able to convince him to return to politics). I have listened to him, read his book, and am really impressed with this guy. I hate to say it too, his minority status wouldn't be a detriment that's for sure. He may not quite be Presidential material yet, since he's out of office right now, but a Veep might be a good start.

Anybody now anything more about him?

Patriot Heart

11-05-2004, 12:03 PM

Hey it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see big posters of Sean Hannity here and there!:D (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/misc.php?do=getsmilies#)

FINE Irish boy that he is!

PH in OK

nene

11-05-2004, 12:49 PM

I agree with Beowulf. I will not entertain thoughts of next presidential election for a while.......until after the holidays at least. :cool:

Maggie_T

11-05-2004, 05:15 PM

No way! He's a RINO. Condoleezza Rice for President '08.
HEAR, HEAR!!!

Estragon

11-05-2004, 05:47 PM

If the speculation is correct, and the democrats shift to the center, Hillary wouldn't make it out of New Hampshire under that scenario. Besides which, as much as she fires up the far left, she polarizes the right, and even a few moderate and conservative democrats, and you can forget the independents swinging her way. If the democrats want to lose another one (this time by a bigger margin) she'd be perfect.

My personal odds on favorite at this point for the DNC is Evan Byah, a popular centrist candidate, or John Edwards, although he gave up his senate seat to run and would be 4 years removed from politics/out of the limelight. Plus that whole trial lawyer thing gets in the way.

Bayh is a decent centrist Democrat - nothing like his father, the flaming liberal Birch Bayh who sabotaged the nomination of the exceptional Clement Haynsworth to SCOTUS, which eventually led to Stevens, I think, after Carswell, an unqualified pick, was also not confirmed - but for that reason he is unacceptable to the Dem activists.

That's the Democrat's big problem: their hardcore leftist activists, who do all the ground work, hate the DLC types with a passion.

Hilarity! is probably the most moderate candidate who could win the nomination, and she would be an electoral disaster. States that Kerry won closely, like WI, MN, MI, and PA would turn red in a hurry.

NO Democrat has ever won the White House without carrying at least two states from the old Confederacy. Only one - Clinton - did it with fewer than three. BUT ~ no Democrat with a snowball's chance in hell in August of carrying two southern states could possibly win the nomination.

As the country has slowly but surely become more conservative over the last 40 years, the Democrats have just as surely been moving left. That isn't changing, and they are in a long decline because of it.

Riverboat

11-05-2004, 09:06 PM

Am I the only one who thought of

Zell Miller

???????????????????

Webruary

11-05-2004, 09:13 PM

A President is an EXECUTIVE position. Therefore, a governor would be better suited for the role than a legislator.

Jeb Bush is out, We don't want any talk of dynasty. Bad for the ticket.

Zell Miller --- TOO OLD.
Giullani -- Won't pass the conservative test and won't rally the base.

No one from New York or Massachusetts will pass.

Again it will have to be a Southerner or from the Mountain States to rally the heartland. Thus, governor Bill Owens looks like the man for the job.

The VP can be Condoleeza Rice ( she'll rally the minority vote ) or Bill Frist.

Suzie

11-05-2004, 09:59 PM

Giullani isn't a Republican or a conservative. McCain might be able to beat Hillary, I would prefer him over Giullani, but I hope we have better.

I would watch very carefully who Bush appoints to some of these top slots, you will probably see the begining of the grooming for 08.

brakitdwn

11-05-2004, 10:32 PM

Hitlary against Condy....can you imagine? The first woman president and a first Black Person to become president a WOMAN too? The media would have a heyday.

Riverboat

11-05-2004, 11:02 PM

Zell Miller --- TOO OLD.Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? Older than Reagan when he ran for president the first time, or the second?

Estragon

11-06-2004, 01:10 AM

Miller's too old - according to Miller. He was already retired when Coverdale died, and part of the deal for his appointment to the seat was that he stand one time for election to it. He did, won easily, but decided to return to retirement.

Winning in Georgia for Miller was easy. Even if he wanted the job, I doubt he is up to the strain of a full-tilt primary campaign and a national general election.

He has a lifetime of service to his state and his nation which I honor, but it was also entirely as a Democrat.

The movement of the country towards the right should inspire us to find fresh, bold leadership from within the Republican Party to carry its banner.

UnkHiram

11-06-2004, 06:48 AM

A couple of thoughts

1) I could support Condi, although I would really like to know more about her political beliefs.

2) I can NOT support any canidate that is Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Abortion, Pro-Affirmative Action.

3) Jeb Bush is intrested in the Big promotion, but he needs to set out 08.

4) JC Watts would be a fantastic choice for Veep. He needs some "Executive" Chair experience for the big job. Perhaps he should run for Govenor first.

5) I am not all that familiar with the Govs of Colorado or South Carolina but both look intresting at first glance.

6) The Race for 08 starts in January, at that point we will start getting "hints" from the folks considering running.

7) Lets celebrate this win, THEN start thinking about the midterms in 06 before we start picking the Big Dog for 08

Samcat

11-06-2004, 07:07 AM

We shall see. Give it some time though.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-06-2004, 07:26 AM

2) I can NOT support any canidate that is Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Abortion, Pro-Affirmative Action.
:unsmile: There are so many Republicans who share this sentiment, that anybody who wishes to run for president on the Republican ticket must share these views, if (s)he is to succeed. Any candidate that doesn't share these views needs to change them.

3) Jeb Bush is intrested in the Big promotion, but he needs to set out 08.
:unsmile: Says who? You didn't make that restriction on the governors of Colorado or South Carolina.

Riverboat

11-06-2004, 11:08 PM

Phil Gramm must be tanned, rested and ready by now. Yet another jewel from the state of Texas would be a nice adornment for the White House.

Estragon

11-07-2004, 04:43 AM

Phil Gramm must be tanned, rested and ready by now. Yet another jewel from the state of Texas would be a nice adornment for the White House.

I was for him in 1996. He raised over $20 million by the end of 1993, and went nowhere in the primaries. I agree with Gramm on just about everything, but we need someone who can win.

Sanford '08!

:D

UnkHiram

11-07-2004, 06:45 AM

:unsmile: There are so many Republicans who share this sentiment, that anybody who wishes to run for president on the Republican ticket must share these views, if (s)he is to succeed. Any candidate that doesn't share these views needs to change them.

:unsmile: Says who? You didn't make that restriction on the governors of Colorado or South Carolina.
Longhorn

I said it, no one else. IMHO the country would not elect back to back brothers no matter how good W's second term is. I didn't lay that restriction on the other two govenors because their brother is not President at the moment. I also said I did not know too much about either of them.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-07-2004, 07:31 AM

IMHO the country would not elect back to back brothers no matter how good W's second term is.
:moo: I'm sorry, but there's no logical basis for such an assumption.

UnkHiram

11-07-2004, 07:39 AM

Longhorn

Like I said it was my opionon, not a logical supportable position. Just the way I read the voters.

Peachdiane

11-07-2004, 07:41 AM

4) JC Watts would be a fantastic choice for Veep. He needs some "Executive" Chair experience for the big job. Perhaps he should run for Govenor first.

Unfortunately I don't think Watts is interested. :(

terri

11-07-2004, 08:15 AM

HomeschoolrsRUs

11-07-2004, 09:45 AM

Rudi may hold views anathama to several of you guys, and that's fine with me. But, I think he's got clout after 9/11 and is the man to beat Hillary. I'd rather have a pro-choice, pro-gun control Rudi in the White House than another Clinton. Besides with a Pub House and Senate, those two issues will not likely see much daylight, especially gun control. No, Rudi is not acceptable. We would not only have to count on the election of another house and senate majority, but that they would be TRUE conservatives. Rudi is more closely alighted with libertarian or moderate democrat than conservative Republican. Both of those issues, pro-choice and pro-gun are FUNDAMENTAL to the conservative position.

First, pro-life is supporting the right to life of all unborns, republican, democrat, libertarian, and whatever else. To support the killing of one's party's own future constituency BEFORE they're even allowed to vote is NOT my idea of an ideal candidate.

Secodly, we have a constitutional RIGHT to bear arms -- the first sign of oppressive control is to unarm the populace. This is ALREADY being done on a gradual level -- we don't need a candidate that's going to speed up the process.

-------

Peachdiane,
Yeah, I understand J.C. isn't interested either ... but who knows, in a couple of years his children will be older, he'll be a little wiser, and maybe he might reconsider. I do believe he would be a hard one to beat, and would make an EXCELLENT candidate for vice-president, leading to a great Presidency! Unless somebody knows something about him that I am not aware of at this time. Like I said, I have heard him speak, followed (somewhat) his political career, and read his book -- and from what I have seen/read, he's impressive.

dajoga

11-19-2004, 02:06 PM

Mike Huckabee?? Gov. of Arkansas. Hey, it happened once before. He's strong pro-life, pro-gun, avid hunter, great speaker, and backed the ban on same-sex marriages in AR.

look here (http://www.arkansas.gov/governor/)

SunnyBrook

11-19-2004, 07:20 PM

Phil Gramm must be tanned, rested and ready by now. Yet another jewel from the state of Texas would be a nice adornment for the White House.
I like Gramm and agree with him on most things, but he just doesn't seem to have the "presidential" bearing that voters require. He's just too folksy & homely. In today's media age, image does matter immensely, as much as we might prefer otherwise.

I like JC Watts as well; I hope he re-enters the political forum at some point down the road.

Riverboat

11-19-2004, 08:57 PM

I like Gramm and agree with him on most things, but he just doesn't seem to have the "presidential" bearing that voters require. He's just too folksy & homely.You mean like Ronald Reagan? Well, I'll grant you his looks wouldn't put him at the top of most women's dance card, but surely Kerry didn't as far as he did with HIS looks.

Aaah, who am I kidding. Gramm's campaign went nowhere when he ran years ago, and I doubt he'd get much more support, especially since. . . say, shouldn't his face be on a milk carton by now? I just threw his name in the mix for fun.