French Troops Fight Ivory Coast Troops

[CAinSanFrancisco]

It's a quagmire!! When will the French learn the lessons of Vietnam??

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041106/ap_on_re_af/ivory_coast&cid=515&ncid=716


Oh BTW... I can rest easy now that the UN has demanded that all fighters stop it right now. Phew!!!!!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

All I can say is they better not ask for help from the US.

[Suzie]

So many things spring to my mind when hearing of this story.:question:

1. The French actually "Shot down Warplanes" ??

2. The Ivory Coast HAS warplanes ???

3. Wonder how long it will be before the French ask us for help?

4. Does the President know how to say "kiss my @$$" in French?

[Riverboat]

"Everybody get your Frenchman!" young men in the mob shouted to each others. I kind of like their way of thinking.

I'm shocked - SHOCKED! Didn't Chirac try to enlist the aid of the U.N. first, and build a coalition of nations?

[S-T]

What shocks me is thay lasted more than five seconds without offering an unconditional surrender.

The French army is the most multilingual army in the world. They need to know how to say "I surrender!" in 20 different languages.

[Beowulf]

What shocks me is thay lasted more than five seconds without offering an unconditional surrender.

The French army is the most multilingual army in the world. They need to know how to say "I surrender!" in 20 different languages.
That is impressive! They may actually have to clean their rifles. I'll be curious to see how long it is before they cry, "US, help us!"

[ConservativeYouthMovement]

Well you have to admit, it is atleast good that they are standing up for themselves. Albeit, extremely hypocritical.

[tacitus]

It's a quagmire!! When will the French learn the lessons of Vietnam??

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041106/ap_on_re_af/ivory_coast&cid=515&ncid=716


Oh BTW... I can rest easy now that the UN has demanded that all fighters stop it right now. Phew!!!!!
Did they get the go ahead from the U.N. Security Council? Do they have the support of the world governments? :duh:

[UnkHiram]

Is it permissable to root for a Dictator if he is fighting the French?

[Federal Farmer]

Expect to pay more for your cocoa this winter. Lousy French, they're only there for the cocoa.

[Estragon]

Tac ~ An excellent point. This unilateral action is destabilizing. They should take it to the Security Council and get permission to act sometime next fall.



1. The French actually "Shot down Warplanes" ??

2. The Ivory Coast HAS warplanes ???


I think they destroyed them on the ground.

Ivory Coast has a total of 6 or 7 military aircraft, including helicopters.

At least the French have finally wised up, and are only picking on people they know they can lick. BUT ~ last year, when they staged a "daring commando raid" that rescued westerners from a school beseiged by thugs, they had to ask for US help to transport the units, as they no longer have that capacity themselves.

:D

[Rink]

Expect to pay more for your cocoa this winter. Lousy French, they're only there for the cocoa.
hey man dont forget South America is also a big producer of cocoa as well as coffee (and cocaine LOL)

[tacitus]

Is it permissable to root for a Dictator if he is fighting the French?
Yes.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

What?! No U.N. approval?

[CaptainJoe17]

I find it interesting, albeit hypocritical, that the French can just declare war on any country they choose to...where was the coalition of the willing? Why didn't they ask Ivory Coast if it was okay to declare war on them? Why haven't they surrendered yet? WHERE THE HELL IS THE UN?!?!? Quite funny...stick it to them Ivory...:patriot:

[THEBIRD]

For a country that has never won a war in it's history....I'd be a little scared if I were a french soldier.....and they thought the babe ruth curse was never gonna end!

[DoctorDoom]

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/frenchy.jpg" />

[Beowulf]

In this case, I'll root for the dictator so I think it's permissable.

And no UN approval? The French are living by the double standards Liberals are famous for.

[Rink]

What do you guys expect?? Socialists can do whatever they see fit without Anyone's 'approval' the approval thing must be forced upon the U.S. only, since they are not in the super secret special socialist cliques like the Frenchies are.

Thats why the French can do whatever they see fit without UN approval, without coalitions without anyones say so, because they are with the socialist brotherhood, and anyone not with the 'IN' gang has to get permission to do anything anywhere.

And to get permission you must prostrate yourself, beg like a dog, and kiss A@@ constantly for several years and umpteen resolutions to get even a minor 'ok' from the UN gods-that-be.

[Federal Farmer]

hey man dont forget South America is also a big producer of cocoa as well as coffee (and cocaine LOL)
Yep and we'll keep that South American cocoa safe from them Frenchies. Don't think they'll be testing the Monroe Doctrine any time soon.:laugh:

[NowhereMan]

The Ivorian government forces launched an air raid on a French base, not long after breaking the cease fire the French were there to enforce, that killed 9 French soldiers and a US civilian. The French then took out the most of the Ivorian air force (about 25 Russian fighter/bombers and or 7 helicopters from what I've seen) as an isolated act of retaliation. This then resulted in lots of people getting annoyed at the French and deciding to go rob any white people they saw with machetes.

Of course keep comparing it to Iraq and call it hypocrisy, it's really quite precious.

[Westfield Jimmy]

What.......no world wide condemnation of France? why did not France seek U.N. approval?

Can those tough aggressive Ivory coast FREEDOM FIGHTERS win?

[dajoga]

A knock on Chirac's front door. He opens it and a tall man salutes him and says,

"I'm Gen. John F. Kerry reporting for duty, SIR!"

[Timberwolf]

Just to take the "high road", we ought to send aid to the Fronsh...like a few croissants, a couple white flags, latest books on hand-wringing.....or maybe we should actively seek to block UN support of their "unwarrented attacks" upon a sovereign nation....

[FBetts]

The French where there with UN aproval. 4,000 french peacekeepers in a joint operation with 6,000 UN peacekeepers. The Ivory Coast government even invited the troops in as peacekeepers.

The Ivory Coast government had been using its airforce to bomb the rebals, as they could not attack them directly due to the UN/French buffer zone. Both the European Union, the United Nations and the African Union condemmed these attacks as blatent attempts to gode the rebals to break the peace treaty. An Ivory Coast plane bombed a French unit, killing 9 soldiers. The French destroyed the Ivorian airfoce in self defence, and also to maintain the fragile peace they had helped broker. This is not a full scale invasion, the French are there as peacekeepers with both UN and Ivorian aproval, the Ivorian government just wanted to stire up trouble wile safely behind a UN buffer zone, endangering the UN and French troops and countless civilians, France was well within her rights to destroy the Ivorian airforce.

As for all this crap about the French being cowards, this is just childish. The French decided it wasnt in there interest to go to war with Iraq, and they stood up for themselvs and didnt go to war with Iraq. You wernt calling them cowards when they where fighting by your side in Afganistan, or the First Gulf War. Yes France has lost most of its colonial posetions, but then again so has Britain, and your not calling us cowards. Its not asif the US has coverd itself in glory when its tried to meddle with ex-French Empire nations. As for WW2, any nation with a land border with Germany would sufferd horendus casaulties and humiliation, if the US had a land border with Germany in 1940, and ther Germans had invaded, the only way you would have survived would be because of the sheer landmass the US encompasses, not because your troops would have fought any harder than the French - They wouldent have, Germany used tactics no one had seen befor, and they slaughterd all oposition untill they god bogged down in Russia, bravery didnt come into it. Routhly 200,000 French soldiers died in WW2, you dont suffer those kinds of casaulties by surrendering as soon as the opertunity knocks at your door, the French fought and saw that it was hopeless. The UK lost just under 300,000 troops and the US lost 400,000 troops over the course of the ENTIRE WAR, thats just to put into perspective how fast France took casaulties, France was going to loose to Germany whatever happend, there army was shatterd by tactics, not because they where cowards, it was the smart moove to surrender and save lives. French troops where the ones who fought to the death wile us Brits evacuated the British army and as many French troops as we had space for, and those French troops continued to fight on as the Free Fench alongside the allies. Remember that 1 in every 25 Frenchmen died in WW1, thats not cowerdice. When you call the French "surrender monkeys" your just throwing a tantrum because there not acting like a US puppet. France is showing in the Ivory Coast that there not affraid to risk French lives to enforce peace in a country that asked them for help. The French government protects the Interests of France, not America, get over it.

[Republican_Legion]

The French where there with UN aproval. 4,000 french peacekeepers in a joint operation with 6,000 UN peacekeepers. The Ivory Coast government even invited the troops in as peacekeepers.

The Ivory Coast government had been using its airforce to bomb the rebals, as they could not attack them directly due to the UN/French buffer zone. Both the European Union, the United Nations and the African Union condemmed these attacks as blatent attempts to gode the rebals to break the peace treaty. An Ivory Coast plane bombed a French unit, killing 9 soldiers. The French destroyed the Ivorian airfoce in self defence, and also to maintain the fragile peace they had helped broker. This is not a full scale invasion, the French are there as peacekeepers with both UN and Ivorian aproval, the Ivorian government just wanted to stire up trouble wile safely behind a UN buffer zone, endangering the UN and French troops and countless civilians, France was well within her rights to destroy the Ivorian airforce.

As for all this crap about the French being cowards, this is just childish. The French decided it wasnt in there interest to go to war with Iraq, and they stood up for themselvs and didnt go to war with Iraq. You wernt calling them cowards when they where fighting by your side in Afganistan, or the First Gulf War. Yes France has lost most of its colonial posetions, but then again so has Britain, and your not calling us cowards. Its not asif the US has coverd itself in glory when its tried to meddle with ex-French Empire nations. As for WW2, any nation with a land border with Germany would sufferd horendus casaulties and humiliation, if the US had a land border with Germany in 1940, and ther Germans had invaded, the only way you would have survived would be because of the sheer landmass the US encompasses, not because your troops would have fought any harder than the French - They wouldent have, Germany used tactics no one had seen befor, and they slaughterd all oposition untill they god bogged down in Russia, bravery didnt come into it. Routhly 200,000 French soldiers died in WW2, you dont suffer those kinds of casaulties by surrendering as soon as the opertunity knocks at your door, the French fought and saw that it was hopeless. The UK lost just under 300,000 troops and the US lost 400,000 troops over the course of the ENTIRE WAR, thats just to put into perspective how fast France took casaulties, France was going to loose to Germany whatever happend, there army was shatterd by tactics, not because they where cowards, it was the smart moove to surrender and save lives. French troops where the ones who fought to the death wile us Brits evacuated the British army and as many French troops as we had space for, and those French troops continued to fight on as the Free Fench alongside the allies. Remember that 1 in every 25 Frenchmen died in WW1, thats not cowerdice. When you call the French "surrender monkeys" your just throwing a tantrum because there not acting how you want them to act, get over it.

the french are the biggest cowards in history .
they lose to the mexicans (Cinco de mayo), they lose to spain , they lose to italians , they lose to vietnamese , they lose to indoneasa , they lose to british , they lose to russians , they lose to germans , they lose to Romans (france = gaul) .
only time they can win is if they are led by a woman or by a midjet corsician .

[FBetts]

the french are the biggest cowards in history .
they lose to the mexicans (Cinco de mayo), they lose to spain , they lose to italians , they lose to vietnamese , they lose to indoneasa , they lose to british , they lose to russians , they lose to germans , they lose to Romans (france = gaul) .
only time they can win is if they are led by a woman or by a midjet corsician .

If there such cowards how come you couldent bully them into joining you in your qaudmire in Iraq. The French are not cowards, its east to proove they are by selectivly reading history, but France is the only countrie to have conqoured all of mainland Europe from Moscow to Madrid, you cant pull that off with an army of cowards.

[Republican_Legion]

If there such cowards how come you couldent bully them into joining you in your qaudmire in Iraq. The French are not cowards, its east to proove they are by selectivly reading history, but France is the only countrie to have conqoured all of mainland Europe from Moscow to Madrid, you cant pull that off with an army of cowards.

actually it is possible with an army of cowards , germany wasnt united during napoleans campaign , if they were napolean wouldnt have got lucky , beating the spanirds , italians , is not a great acheivment .

we just want the french to help out in iraq so they can take some of the causaltys .

[FBetts]

actually it is possible with an army of cowards , germany wasnt united during napoleans campaign , if they were napolean wouldnt have got lucky , beating the spanirds , italians , is not a great acheivment .

we just want the french to help out in iraq so they can take some of the causaltys .

Why should the French help you in Iraq? its not in there interests, even Britain is regretting it now, and us brits sure as hell wont be following you if you go into Iran, its not cowerdice, its doing what you think benefits your nation. The US wasnt exactly running to the aid of Britain and France in world war 1 and 2

An article ive been saving for an occasion like this:
http://www.exile.ru/2003-October-02/war_nerd.html

[DesertFox]

Betts, French soldiers aren't cowards. French politicians are either cowards or corrupt thru-and-thru, or both. Probably both. The French didn't support us in this Iraq war because they had a whole raft of illegal contracts with Saddam Hussein, in violation of the 1991 peace treaty. So did the Russians. So did the Germans. Those contracts were "all about oil." Our invasion was "all about freeing Iraq from thugs and murderers." The Continentals are too sophisticated to do anything that tiresomely blase.

You need to brush up on some history. The US DID run to the aid of Britain and France in both World Wars, especially WWII.

Try using your spell check. Your stuff is virtually unreadable.

[DesertFox]

Said NowhereMan: keep comparing it to Iraq and call it hypocrisy, it's really quite precious

Maybe you need to look up the term, Nowhere. It's hardly hypocrisy to condemn the French for doing what they condemned us for doing. WE are being CONSISTENT; THEY are being HYPOCRITICAL.

Precious, indeed.

[FBetts]

Betts, French soldiers aren't cowards. French politicians are either cowards or corrupt thru-and-thru, or both. Probably both. The French didn't support us in this Iraq war because they had a whole raft of illegal contracts with Saddam Hussein, in violation of the 1991 peace treaty. So did the Russians. So did the Germans. Those contracts were "all about oil." Our invasion was "all about freeing Iraq from thugs and murderers." The Continentals are too sophisticated to do anything that tiresomely blase.

You need to brush up on some history. The US DID run to the aid of Britain and France in both World Wars, especially WWII.

Try using your spell check. Your stuff is virtually unreadable.

1. If where talking about politicians, all politicians are corrupt cowards who I trust about as far as I can throw them, no matter which country they are from

2. The US didn’t run to the aid of Britain and France, you had to be attacked and dragged into it. You may have provided material aid, but you where not exactly bending over backwards to put US troops in harms way

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[DesertFox]

Um, you might not want to talk about anybody not bending over backwards to put their troops in harm's way. You Brits and the French did all you could to avoid fighting, even after you declared war -- waiting until the krauts polished off the Poles and actually attacked YOU before fighting. But for Winston Churchill shaming your politicos into action, you might not have fought even then.

On the other hand, the krauts didn't attack us; the Japs did. We went to war with the krauts without them attacking us.

You might want to have your facts in order before making silly statements.

[FBetts]

Um, you might not want to talk about anybody not bending over backwards to put their troops in harm's way. You Brits and the French did all you could to avoid fighting, even after you declared war -- waiting until the krauts polished off the Poles and actually attacked YOU before fighting. But for Winston Churchill shaming your politicos into action, you might not have fought even then.

On the other hand, the krauts didn't attack us; the Japs did. We went to war with the krauts without them attacking us.

You might want to have your facts in order before making silly statements.

I never said that Britain and France where happy about a war with Germany, im using the US keeping the gloves on auntill they realy had no choice as an example of how holding something against France for not supporting you in something as minor as the Iraq war is abit..well..whiney

[DesertFox]

How old are you, Betts? Your statement is ridiculous. The Iraq war is the major thing happening in the world right now. Our complaints about the French refer to their lying, hypocrisy and obstructionism.

How old are you?

[Republican_Legion]

How old are you, Betts? Your statement is ridiculous. The Iraq war is the major thing happening in the world right now. Our complaints about the French refer to their lying, hypocrisy and obstructionism.

How old are you?

his profile says he is born in 1988 , 3 years younger then me .

its funny , fox have u ever heard the theory that as we get older we get more conservative . that being said look at how old the little bett troll is . the younger they are the more likely to be a liberal . of course not all young people are immature , but he is an example of juvenal liberalism . when i was his age (i'm guessing he is 16) i was a liberal , until i read more into what liberals stand for .

most likely we wont change the mind of a young liberal , he's a product of socialism .

[Republican_Legion]

btw julius ceasar believed the Gauls (french) were wimps , they were known back in those days for retreating .

i think the french women are braver then the french men (joan of ark ) .

since france is an enemy of the USA , we should just take over france , force the french men to fight for us , rescue the french women and take them to our country , french women deserve better then men who cheat on their wives , i wonder what language we get the word "affair" from .

[Beowulf]

Look out, folks, :trollhook .

Betts, I won't get into World History in which I could school you. I aced it so I know I could. Anyway...
Were talking about THIS war. The French sat out saying "Inspections work" and thinking Saddam was no threat. They have always been the big pessimists wanting proof. They got that in 1940 as the Nazi's marched into Paris and recently on 9/11. As our President said, "If you harbor terrorists, you will be treated as one." WMD's or no WMD's, Hussein allowed his country to be used for training terrorist and repeatedly violated UN resolutions. To me that's like a child taunting you and then hiding behind a parent.

All you Liberals want is to talk, talk, talk. :barf: Oh spare me! Iraq had 13 years to wiseup but didn't. I'd be honored to go back and kick there ass myself if I was allowed. When will you Libs learn that talk is cheap?

[Republican_Legion]

just edited my last post .

do u agree french women deserve better then their men who always have affairs and mistresses ? .

[FBetts]

A. The Iraq war is not a major event. It will probably not be rememberd as a particuly important war in afew decades time. I may be wrong, but i dont think it will result in world spanning change. Its an Iraq changing event, and hopefully for the better, but i cant see this leading to anything we will remember in 50 years time.

B. In what way am i trolling?

C. Why are you dragging the morals of the Iraq war into this? Im just saying the French arn't cowards and all this anti french whining is childish, pointless and hypocritical, and that the French had a legitimate reason to be in the Ivory Coast..well, whatever passes for legitimacy nowerdays. Infact i have not even said i was against the Iraq war, your just assuming i am because i find all this anti-france propaganda flying around sickining. I admit i think the Invasion of Iraq was totaly ilogical when places like North Korea where practicly spitting in our faces, but im all for staying in Iraq for as long as it takes.

[Beowulf]

N. Korea hasn't been shown to be harboring terrorist training camps as of yet. Yes, they have nuclear capability and a huge army BUT they also know that if they invade S. Korea unprovoked, the world won't stand for it. They also saw in Desert Storm that even though the coalition was outnumbered 5 to 1, they saw us easily defeat Saddam's conventional army. That shows bigger numbers don't always mean a win.

And I do think Iraq will be remembered. Unlike Korea, it was a training ground for terrorists. I like to think THAT was the larger reason for attacking than was over terrorism and human rights. With terrorism being dealt with, I feel that will be what is remembered. It will never be totally eliminated but the threat will be significantly reduced.

[FBetts]

NK is a bigger problem in my view, they have WMD and the potential to reach Japan, SK and China with them. Unlike Iraq NK realy could damage the world quit badly if they wanted. Maybe thats why there not getting mentioned anymore, i suspect our polititions dont want to risk a fight with NK unless they realy have too.

The links betwene Iraq and terrorism have always been minor, especialy when compared with Iran, wich has land borders with Afganistan aswell, meening that they may even be harbouring some of the guys we missed when we invaded Afganistan.