How To Handle My Liberal Brother

[Beowulf]

I called him just to ask about some music he's been working on and some Christmas ideas and next thing you know we're debating politics telling me how wrong I am. I took it with some humor when he said "so you voted for 4 more years of deficits."

Then we somehow got into the right to life issue which naturally I support. Now I'm brainwashed by the church he says. I won't say what he referred an embryo as. He thinks that if someone is going to be born retarded or whatever that we shouldn't give them the benefit of life since they will be on public assistance. I answered him with, "half the people I know are retarded" and then asked him to define "normal." *sighs*

I love my brother and still like to cause trouble with him but it's obvious politics is something we can't get into. Most of my family fits this bill so it's not just him. I'll assault Liberals here without question but I find restraint with family, especially when I'm the blacksheep.

Oh yeah, I'm a hypocrite too since I don't own a firearm yet I support the right to bear arms.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Oh yeah, I'm a hypocrite too since I don't own a firearm yet I support the right to bear arms.
:unsmile: Your brother's a hypocrite, since he supports abortion, but has never had an abortion.

[mabzie]

hmmm...

i dont know, just dont talk to him. :frenchpoo

[jag]

Oh yeah, I'm a hypocrite too since I don't own a firearm yet I support the right to bear arms.Get a gun or shave your arms :D

[Beowulf]

Don't talk to my brother. I guess I have to abandon my whole family then since I'm the lone conservative. I think I'd rather have and win my debates.

Get a gun or shave my arms? LMAO!! I just don't have one cuz I never really needed one and my ADHD son has times of instability. I USED to have one years back but I sold it. I plan to get one again one day. As I told my brother, "I just want to be able to get one when I want one without all the hassles you Liberals cause."

[Federal Farmer]

My brother votes Democrat and we’ve had our rows over the years. But we pretty much have agreed not to discuss politics at family gatherings (he’s outnumbered there anyway since our father has always been Republican. I kid my brother that he must have been adopted). Sometimes things get brought up and the conversation starts but we don't take it very far. Anyway, I’d expect four more years of bantering from your brother since Bush won; that makes for disgruntled liberals who can’t leave it alone.

Most liberals I know are for abortion, or at least say “Its the law of the land, Supreme Court said so.” Yet these same become all emotional when you bring up capital punishment and they say, “Its murder.” Where does your brother stand on it?

On aborting those a doctor might say will be born mentally retarded, take a little bit of Darwin, mix in some Nietzsche, and you get Ernst Haeckel’s remark about mercy killings saving “useless expenses for family and state.” Worked for Hitler.

[Rink]

Hey Beo, dont feel bad at LEAST you can 'talk' to your brother, i cant even stand my sister LMAO

and no I dont wanna talk to her unless I REALLY hafta.

Can we say we are the total opposites of each other in every way?

[Peachdiane]

Beo, I'm like you and cannot stay silent. Most of my family is liberal so the dinners give me indigestion but you don't wanna play into their stereotypes and come across sullen or angry so keep laughing!!!

Just stand your ground. Keep in mind the liberal mind does not respond to reason, only emotion. Liberals will NOT listen to FACTS and they will change the subject 10 times if they begin losing on a point. It is just not possible, with most liberals, even family, to have a constructive and informative exchange. But you can keep trying!

Edited to add: I've had this argument with my sister before. Her claim is how do we define a Downs baby as human. We have 23 chromosome pairs, but most babies who have Down syndrome only have 22 chromosome pairs and 3 of chromosome 21, yet we still treat them as persons and give them moral rights. I said it is not our call but God's. Lots of retarded people have led full lives.

And I'm willing to bet babies have been aborted needlessly after erroneous testing. The librarian at my high school had a doc who told her her baby would be born retarded. She took a gamble anyway and gave birth. Turns out the girl only had a mild hearing loss.

Anyway my sis is vehemently opposed to wearing real furs. But she eats meat and wears leather. Go figure! :duh:

[Naturalized-Texan]

My in-laws (my wife's family) are dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrats, some of whom actually believe Michael Moore. When we go to family gatherings, which are no more often than once a year (they live in PA), my wife issues orders to me not to discuss politics. So, when one of my in-laws starts in with politics, I tell them that my wife says, "NO POLITICS!" and that's the end of it. The discussion then proceeds to other matters.

My wife never discusses politics with her family because she also strongly disagrees with them.

[DesertFox]

I don't discuss politics with my brother-in-law, not because he's a Democrat (he is) but because he and I just don't see the world the same way. He thinks everything's set up -- he thinks NBA games are set up for one team to win before the game starts; he thinks the INS could easily control illegal entry into the US; he thinks the drug war is for show and that we could easily "win" it if we wanted to. It isn't that he's liberal cuz he isn't; he just doesn't grasp how big the world is and how easy to slip things over.

His wife my sister is a Democrat, but a conservative Democrat. She and I can (and do) discuss anything under the sun and we hardly ever disagree -- and when we do disagree it's almost always on small points. On the few things we really disagree on, we have no problem just agreeing to disagree. She and I and her husband could live in the same house indefinitely with no serious problems.

On the other hand, my second (of three) sisters is a natural liberal who literally has been mugged by reality. She was antigun until she got mugged. She was anti-this and anti-that until her own life experience showed why conservatives think as they do. Yet I can't stand to be around her more than about 10 minutes, and sometimes even less than that. I love her but I don't like her.

[Federal Farmer]

On the other hand, my second (of three) sisters is a natural liberal who literally has been mugged by reality. She was antigun until she got mugged. She was anti-this and anti-that until her own life experience showed why conservatives think as they do. Yet I can't stand to be around her more than about 10 minutes, and sometimes even less than that. I love her but I don't like her.Isn't that the way with liberals sometimes. Life's lessons sometimes begin breaking down theory.

My sister is a Republican but I can still sometimes sympathize with your last sentence. Venus indeed.

[Beowulf]

@Rink. The only family member I refuse to speak with and haven't done so is my sister-in-law. I've posted enough on her for you to know why.

My brother seems to think that if abortion is made illegal then women would be forced to have a retarded child dependent on the system. Um, I don't know about you all but many of those I see everyday seem pretty retarded to me, present company excluded, of course. I told him that normal people are the ones who concern me.

He also told me that I'm brainwashed by the church. Oh I'm SSSOOOO brainwashed. I drop F-bombs every other word wherever I am, seldom attend Mass after serving the altar for 5 years, support the use of birth control (a church no-no), won't have more kids by choice (the church thinks sex is for creating children. Excuse my perversion but I like just the act like any other normal male does for pleasure) and I worry more about myself than I do other people. Like I said, I'm SSSOOO brainwashed. :rolleyes:

When we discussed welfare and other entitlements, I said it was for THOSE WHO NEED IT yet the lazy recieve it. I gave him the history of it between FDR and LBJ. He wasn't buying.

We ended our talk with a chuckle as he "likes to get me spooled up" as he said. I hope he doesn't start with me amongst family cuz I don't back off.

[freedumb]

Beowulf,

Don't let Bush vs. Bush-lite type debates get between you and your loved ones.

If your Liberal brother did his homework he'd realize that brainwashing isn't actually real.

[Wolfcounsel]

"If your Liberal brother did his homework he'd realize that brainwashing isn't actually real." --freedumb


DANG! I agree. Brainwashing is just an excuse for slimeballs to think and do what they secretly have no qualms about.

[Beowulf]

Beowulf,

Don't let Bush vs. Bush-lite type debates get between you and your loved ones.

If your Liberal brother did his homework he'd realize that brainwashing isn't actually real.
I don't let it get between us. At least they haven't yet.

[Hottjohn]

I come from a family of liberals. I was talking to my sociopathic (unitarian) sister this last summer and explaining to her how bad abortion is. She thinks it's a good idea. I expained to her that had abortion been legal when she got pregnant out of wedlock, she would have killed her son, and she would never have known her sweet little grandchildren. She said yes she would have, and I had to explain it isn't that simple; only that egg and that sperm could create that baby that gave her those grandchildren with that particular daughter-in-law. Typical liberal crap coming from her. They never think beyond the first step. Anyway, Beo, it's alright to come from a family of libs and be the only conservative. This way you are always right and they will never get it because their arguments are all based on emotion and how they want things to be. For them, reality really does bite.

[freedumb]

DANG! I agree. Brainwashing is just an excuse for slimeballs to think and do what they secretly have no qualms about.

I conquer.

Not to underestimate the power of indoctrination.

But,

"I was Brainwashed" is about as good as "The Devil made me do it".

The time for giving up responsibility is not now

[Rightknight]

Bring up (with exampels) how as a Male in this more and more liberal society that its him who has been loosing personal rights. Like the right to have eny say in weather his baby should be able to live or die. Becouse he and ALL OTHER MEN lost that right when Abortion was made legal. Many other rights were taken away from him as a Male like other Fathers rights. And has he ever played eny sports as a boy becouse the right of MASCULINE competition will DIE with LIBERALISM. There meny exampels that are NOT TALKED ABOUT in our culture these days were Men have LOST rights so HE has allso due to the LEFT!

[Taylor]

Actually, there are a lot of mentally retarded people out there who end up successful. I'm pro-life and I can't imagine why any woman would want to murder her unborn child even of the baby may or may not be retarded. Besides, how can you tell on an ultrasound of the baby is going to be born retarded unless the child has Downs Syndrome or Turner's Syndrome. I think abortion is a form of murder. Many retarded people are able to lead productive lives.

[Beowulf]

I totally agree, Taylor. Unfortunately some people don't see it that way. Like I said to my Brother, "I see retarded people everyday and work with many of them." It was a joke but when you think about it, I work in Taxachusetts.

[freedumb]

As a former sperm, I oppose masterbation.


Actually, there are a lot of mentally retarded people out there who end up successful.


Like the right to have eny say in weather his baby should be able to live or die. Becouse he and ALL OTHER MEN lost that right when Abortion was made legal.

[Black Phoenix]

Just ask your liberal friend to define evil.

It'll be something like, causeing harm to others... you can have quite a time with that one. Realizing scientist think that even plants can feel pain! :blush:

Harm to sentient beings?... sounds reasonable at first... but how sentient is a two year old?

I would say harm, or encouragement of said harm, to beings with spirits (God, angles, humans, you get the picture) done on purpose without nobel cause. (Doesn't help if you don't believe in spirits... but that's your problem, not mine!)

Sorry, but you all are starting to sound like nazies. You're acting as though you can say what the purpose of a man's life is and whether he can live or die on the baises of whether or not he helps society in some form. How does your child help society? Oh that's right, at best, maybe, possibly, he will, if he grows up right. Oh but, he's your kid right? So all rules are put aside for him! (Who would have thought a man who takes care of the handicapped for a living might think lowly of anyone trying to depict them as pointless individuals to be slaughtered?:flame: The world probably isn't hurt one bit by the handicapped, but fascists are another story...)