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mohknight1
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This is an idea I just had. I think I can count on you guys to cut me down to size if it turns out to be too ambitious. So far, from my own point of view, I don't think it has many drawbacks ... or any that out-weigh the potential benefits. It will involve an extra-ordinary amount of political bravery and an outright assault on the press ... that is the ambitious (and perhaps near impossible part). The benefits that would/ could accrue from it are these; expose the leftist stupidity that underlies current public education and how it's failing children (especially minority children); destroy the public school monopolist system and thus the influence of Teachers' Unions; provide an unassailable platform for conservative minority public figures; and tear off a substantial portion of the black population away from the Democrats.
My idea is this; try to get a black/Hispanic conservative organization (the racial aspect of the organization is not that important at this point), to seek a group of poor black/Hispanic parents willing to sacrifice political conformity to mount a lawsuit against their School District. An important factor, of course, is that the School District must be a consistently failing one with teachers protected by Union contracts, which should be extremely easy to find.
The lawsuit would charge that the schools negligently adopted an educational philosophy ("Progressive Education") and dangerous fads that have undermined public education, especially for minority students. Furthermore, the school district, as a recipient of tax funds is in effect a party to a contract between itself and the legal guardians of the children (and the children themselves) it serves to provide an education for them. It has failed to meet the terms of this contract and as such it must be held accountable.
This is where it gets interesting. The lawsuit must show ...
The hold that "Progressive" Education's has on today's educational climate and how it negatively affects minority academic achievement. People ranging from Sol Stern, Linda Chavez, Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele, have researched and written about this. Furthermore, a lot of people within the Education establishment have recognized this poison for what it is but have been silenced through non-attention by the liberal media and ostracization in the school systems. All of them should be given due attention as witnesses in court. The targets are such liberal objects of affection such as "bilingual education", "whole language reading", "self-esteem" classes, etc. They would have to explain why their charges don't know how to spell, do math, recount history, read and write at grade level despite all their "Progressive" methods.
With regards as to how the public education system especially harms black/Hispanic children; the heads of the District must explain why black/Hispanic children are consistently at the bottom of the achievement ladder. Make no mistake that they would try to pass off the oft-cited causes of it as being their schools' funding situations and the socio-economic status of their charges. But the most interesting argument they would bring up would be a gratuitous use of the race card. With regard to the first two "reasons", they would have to explain how come Charter schools and Catholic schools are able to produce so much better results with students of the same situation and shoe-string budgets.
When it comes to the racial argument, they would be in a wierd bind. Admitting in court that their school districts are institutionally racist would condemn them to losing millions and heaps of abuse. So they would be reduced to blaming the "overwhelming" racism in the world outside and its attendant negative effects on black self-esteem as being responsible for black failure in schools. This argument is usually hard to refute. But again, the overwhelming evidence of the success of Charter and Catholic schools in educating minority children would serve as an excellent bulwark against this excuse. Furthermore, the evidence of academic excellence in black schools during Jim Crow would serve to seriously undermine that argument even more.
The last fall-back position would be to charge that Standardized tests are "culturally biased". Again, the evidence aforementioned seriously undermines this. But to put the point across in the most obvious way how ridiculous this is; give each proponent of this conventional wisdom an exam question paper and ask him/her to take his/her time to pick out each question that is "cultural biased." Then have them explain why the "culturally biased" questions are harder taught to black/Hispanic children in their opinion (i.e. what inherent characteristic of black/Hispanic children makes it harder for them to understand simultaneous equations? What's so white/Asian about it?).
Think about the effects of this. The teachers' unions with their natural hatred of accountability would know that if this is successful their power would be brutally curtailed. So they're going to have to have a lot invested in the outcome, and the fact that the plaintiffs would be minorities would cast a racial tint over the case so you can count on them getting Ted Kennedy, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Jesse Jackson, etc. to speak on their behalf. Should they (Waters et al) be dumb enough to speak out against the lawsuit, black conservatives would have a field day castigating them as anti- education. Should they be smart and stay away, conservatives would have the field all to themselves. It would be great if organizations such as Project 21, BAMPAC, NCNE, CEO, Heritage Foundation, etc could be lobbied into filing amicus briefs with the plaintiffs. But the coup de grace would be if the RNC and the Department of Education file briefs as well.
At this point (or even before), the teachers' unions/ School District would probably want to deal. The deal would be for them to make no more moves to stop or hobble any education accountability measures taking place around the country. In other words, they should back off their opposition to/meddling with; vouchers, charter schools, results-oriented education and allow incompetent teachers to be fired.
One way or another, they lose. Should the case be handled properly, the Democrats would find themselves having to choose between their most powerful union supporters and the black community. And the black community would take note of who fought for its interests.
Well? Can anyone tell me where I haven't thought this through? Criticism (constructive) welcome.
Edited by: mohknight1 at: 2/23/01 3:09:40 pm
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Mohknight, you sent me off into dreamland(sigh!)
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Wow. It sounds good on paper. I'd like to see what some in the legal profession think about this.
mohknight1
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Any lawyers in the house?
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Achilles and LawLass are....... where art thou o' legal ones
MOHKNIGHT.. let me suggest you copy your post and create a new thread in the Legal Eagle forum....
pub26.ezboard.com/fpoliti...hangefrm22
btw - Your idea is as ingenius as that which you fight against.... actually more so.
Thumbs Up!
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Moh, it's a wonderful idea. Sure fire way to start feces storm. Have you posed your idea to JJ Johnson yet?
Atomic I'm still on "Lawlass" watch.
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The AMERICAN way........SUE someone !!!!!!!!! When will you people learn?
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LawLass
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MohKnight- I read through your piece and your comments are definitely creative and thought-provoking. Let me preface my response by stating that I do not condone the use of the court system to further a platform of a particular political party, to create a schism in an opposing political party, or to generate publicity or awareness of a certain issue. Our court systems are already clogged with lawsuits which could and should have been resolved by alternate means. Litigation is not always a solution and can in fact, backfire against its proponent. I am hopeful that we will not have to look to our court system to finally resolve the racial divisions and inequities that exist in our country. Specifically, I think the court system is the inappropriate forum to resolve our problems in a failing public school system. I commend our current President on making education a priority of his administration.
That said, as to your proposition of a lawsuit based on a negligence theory against a school district, there would potentially be problems based on tort immunity for government entities. As I do not practice civil law, an attorney that is more familiar with that area could better address that issue. I believe there are some attorneys that practice civil law that are members of this forum.
In any event, I could potentially envision a situation where a meritorious claim could be based, in accordance with the substantive ideas and points raised in your piece, yet with the aim of remedying the inequities that exist in our public school system. Whether or not such a meritorious claim exists, would be based on the facts of the particular school district and perhaps, comparatively, the facts of school districts throughout that state. Depending on the facts of the case, I could envision a claim based not on negligence or contract principles, but rather rooted in the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Without having researched that issue, I am not sure whether such a claim has ever been raised and resolved.
Thanks for the thought-provoking piece!
Randy JB
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...the biggest problem I see is that our leftist-controlled court system could keep this thing going for years. The government has pretty deep pockets, the U.S. taxpayers.
Unfortunately, our side doesn't have very deep pockets. A suit like this could be in the courts for years, which would require serious cash.
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I agree with LawLass that the courts should not be used for purely political purposes, as our opponents so often do. Most conservatives feel this way (and evidently Yukon does too, at least as it applies to us), and the news media as well was quick to set a double standard for Bush's pre-emptive use of the courts in the last election. Something like this could easily backfire.
Because of our strong belief in only the proper use of the court system and the double standards of the press, I'd like to point out that we may also at times actually be guilty of neglecting to use this option when it is legitimately warranted, reflexively. If such a case has true and separate merit, and it just so happens to have political benefits, I see no good reason not to consider it for fear our politics might disqualify us. Almost everyone has a political view. So long as our priorities are clear, that these methods should first be merited on legal grounds alone.
It would seem that for this particular case to work (in my thoroughly unqualified opinion), it would first have to be heavily scrutinized legally. And it may be that the media would be so unforgiving on conservatives using the courts that this should not be seen to have any links to, or support from, the Republican party or any well known conservative groups. At least initially.
I'm starting to think that just to fully develop an idea like this will take some serious resources.
Edited by: Nolan Void at: 2/24/01 11:28:37 pm
Yukon1
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Nolan,
You should re-name your country the United Lawsuits of America...that is how you people are viewed around the word - sue happy !!!
The Padre
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Yes Yukon, the rest of the world is truly blessed to have such a responsible governmental elite that would never allow the irresponsible masses to humiliate themselves in such a useless institution as a court of law.
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Nolan, I don't know how you voted in your poll but I have a good idea it was for pure sport and entertainment because you are so head and shoulders above Yukon intellectually that it must indeed be the case. In my humble opinion of course
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Ah, you are too kind. Of course, if the Yukon character is just an act, then it is flawless; and the creator is a genious deserving of praise. Therefore to insult Yukon is to praise the creator, as he must intend. Either way, justice is served!
As for my vote in the poll, I did vote for sport. But that answer was a compromise:
I truly believe Yukon's oddity makes a commodity of him within this forum. He therefore is a valued member. I believe he must sense this, as he chooses to return here and interact. So the socialist learns the benefits of supply and demand, from the undue attention he receives, and so is converted unwittingly to capitalism. We, the consumers, get what we want, which is sport. Some are simply Yukon junkies, incapable of ignoring him; I confess I also am one at times.
I guess that's sort of like eventually developing a fondness or attachment for a particularly unattractive and unfriendly neighborhood dog, because it's of such a character that you more fully appreciate the well formed and likeable ones.
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Yukon is an attention junkie and he really believes the garbage he espouses on here. I do think we are a positive influence on him though. Reference his conservative view on lawsuits.
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Hottjohn
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I believe that we must all be experiencing a mild form of the Stockholm Syndrome, as we all tend to comment on or respond to Yukon. The only difference is, we just haven't died with him and odds are, we never will, unless he chooses to come over to the "right" side.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
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This is an idea I just had. I think I can count on you guys to cut me down to size if it turns out to be too ambitious. So far, from my own point of view, I don't think it has many drawbacks ... or any that out-weigh the potential benefits. It will involve an extra-ordinary amount of political bravery and an outright assault on the press ... that is the ambitious (and perhaps near impossible part). The benefits that would/ could accrue from it are these; expose the leftist stupidity that underlies current public education and how it's failing children (especially minority children); destroy the public school monopolist system and thus the influence of Teachers' Unions; provide an unassailable platform for conservative minority public figures; and tear off a substantial portion of the black population away from the Democrats.
My idea is this; try to get a black/Hispanic conservative organization (the racial aspect of the organization is not that important at this point), to seek a group of poor black/Hispanic parents willing to sacrifice political conformity to mount a lawsuit against their School District. An important factor, of course, is that the School District must be a consistently failing one with teachers protected by Union contracts, which should be extremely easy to find.
The lawsuit would charge that the schools negligently adopted an educational philosophy ("Progressive Education") and dangerous fads that have undermined public education, especially for minority students. Furthermore, the school district, as a recipient of tax funds is in effect a party to a contract between itself and the legal guardians of the children (and the children themselves) it serves to provide an education for them. It has failed to meet the terms of this contract and as such it must be held accountable.
This is where it gets interesting. The lawsuit must show ...
The hold that "Progressive" Education's has on today's educational climate and how it negatively affects minority academic achievement. People ranging from Sol Stern, Linda Chavez, Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele, have researched and written about this. Furthermore, a lot of people within the Education establishment have recognized this poison for what it is but have been silenced through non-attention by the liberal media and ostracization in the school systems. All of them should be given due attention as witnesses in court. The targets are such liberal objects of affection such as "bilingual education", "whole language reading", "self-esteem" classes, etc. They would have to explain why their charges don't know how to spell, do math, recount history, read and write at grade level despite all their "Progressive" methods.
With regards as to how the public education system especially harms black/Hispanic children; the heads of the District must explain why black/Hispanic children are consistently at the bottom of the achievement ladder. Make no mistake that they would try to pass off the oft-cited causes of it as being their schools' funding situations and the socio-economic status of their charges. But the most interesting argument they would bring up would be a gratuitous use of the race card. With regard to the first two "reasons", they would have to explain how come Charter schools and Catholic schools are able to produce so much better results with students of the same situation and shoe-string budgets.
When it comes to the racial argument, they would be in a wierd bind. Admitting in court that their school districts are institutionally racist would condemn them to losing millions and heaps of abuse. So they would be reduced to blaming the "overwhelming" racism in the world outside and its attendant negative effects on black self-esteem as being responsible for black failure in schools. This argument is usually hard to refute. But again, the overwhelming evidence of the success of Charter and Catholic schools in educating minority children would serve as an excellent bulwark against this excuse. Furthermore, the evidence of academic excellence in black schools during Jim Crow would serve to seriously undermine that argument even more.
The last fall-back position would be to charge that Standardized tests are "culturally biased". Again, the evidence aforementioned seriously undermines this. But to put the point across in the most obvious way how ridiculous this is; give each proponent of this conventional wisdom an exam question paper and ask him/her to take his/her time to pick out each question that is "cultural biased." Then have them explain why the "culturally biased" questions are harder taught to black/Hispanic children in their opinion (i.e. what inherent characteristic of black/Hispanic children makes it harder for them to understand simultaneous equations? What's so white/Asian about it?).
Think about the effects of this. The teachers' unions with their natural hatred of accountability would know that if this is successful their power would be brutally curtailed. So they're going to have to have a lot invested in the outcome, and the fact that the plaintiffs would be minorities would cast a racial tint over the case so you can count on them getting Ted Kennedy, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Jesse Jackson, etc. to speak on their behalf. Should they (Waters et al) be dumb enough to speak out against the lawsuit, black conservatives would have a field day castigating them as anti- education. Should they be smart and stay away, conservatives would have the field all to themselves. It would be great if organizations such as Project 21, BAMPAC, NCNE, CEO, Heritage Foundation, etc could be lobbied into filing amicus briefs with the plaintiffs. But the coup de grace would be if the RNC and the Department of Education file briefs as well.
At this point (or even before), the teachers' unions/ School District would probably want to deal. The deal would be for them to make no more moves to stop or hobble any education accountability measures taking place around the country. In other words, they should back off their opposition to/meddling with; vouchers, charter schools, results-oriented education and allow incompetent teachers to be fired.
One way or another, they lose. Should the case be handled properly, the Democrats would find themselves having to choose between their most powerful union supporters and the black community. And the black community would take note of who fought for its interests.
Well? Can anyone tell me where I haven't thought this through? Criticism (constructive) welcome.
Edited by: mohknight1 at: 2/23/01 3:09:40 pm
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Mohknight, you sent me off into dreamland(sigh!)
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Wow. It sounds good on paper. I'd like to see what some in the legal profession think about this.
mohknight1
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Any lawyers in the house?
AtomicLibSmasher
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Achilles and LawLass are....... where art thou o' legal ones
MOHKNIGHT.. let me suggest you copy your post and create a new thread in the Legal Eagle forum....
pub26.ezboard.com/fpoliti...hangefrm22
btw - Your idea is as ingenius as that which you fight against.... actually more so.
Thumbs Up!
``I tried to walk a line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now recognize that I did not fully accomplish this goal" - Slick Clinton
WarLady1
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Moh, it's a wonderful idea. Sure fire way to start feces storm. Have you posed your idea to JJ Johnson yet?
Atomic I'm still on "Lawlass" watch.
**Don't forget to check out our other great forums!!
Yukon1
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The AMERICAN way........SUE someone !!!!!!!!! When will you people learn?
The Padre
LawLass
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MohKnight- I read through your piece and your comments are definitely creative and thought-provoking. Let me preface my response by stating that I do not condone the use of the court system to further a platform of a particular political party, to create a schism in an opposing political party, or to generate publicity or awareness of a certain issue. Our court systems are already clogged with lawsuits which could and should have been resolved by alternate means. Litigation is not always a solution and can in fact, backfire against its proponent. I am hopeful that we will not have to look to our court system to finally resolve the racial divisions and inequities that exist in our country. Specifically, I think the court system is the inappropriate forum to resolve our problems in a failing public school system. I commend our current President on making education a priority of his administration.
That said, as to your proposition of a lawsuit based on a negligence theory against a school district, there would potentially be problems based on tort immunity for government entities. As I do not practice civil law, an attorney that is more familiar with that area could better address that issue. I believe there are some attorneys that practice civil law that are members of this forum.
In any event, I could potentially envision a situation where a meritorious claim could be based, in accordance with the substantive ideas and points raised in your piece, yet with the aim of remedying the inequities that exist in our public school system. Whether or not such a meritorious claim exists, would be based on the facts of the particular school district and perhaps, comparatively, the facts of school districts throughout that state. Depending on the facts of the case, I could envision a claim based not on negligence or contract principles, but rather rooted in the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Without having researched that issue, I am not sure whether such a claim has ever been raised and resolved.
Thanks for the thought-provoking piece!
Randy JB
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...the biggest problem I see is that our leftist-controlled court system could keep this thing going for years. The government has pretty deep pockets, the U.S. taxpayers.
Unfortunately, our side doesn't have very deep pockets. A suit like this could be in the courts for years, which would require serious cash.
Nolan Void
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I agree with LawLass that the courts should not be used for purely political purposes, as our opponents so often do. Most conservatives feel this way (and evidently Yukon does too, at least as it applies to us), and the news media as well was quick to set a double standard for Bush's pre-emptive use of the courts in the last election. Something like this could easily backfire.
Because of our strong belief in only the proper use of the court system and the double standards of the press, I'd like to point out that we may also at times actually be guilty of neglecting to use this option when it is legitimately warranted, reflexively. If such a case has true and separate merit, and it just so happens to have political benefits, I see no good reason not to consider it for fear our politics might disqualify us. Almost everyone has a political view. So long as our priorities are clear, that these methods should first be merited on legal grounds alone.
It would seem that for this particular case to work (in my thoroughly unqualified opinion), it would first have to be heavily scrutinized legally. And it may be that the media would be so unforgiving on conservatives using the courts that this should not be seen to have any links to, or support from, the Republican party or any well known conservative groups. At least initially.
I'm starting to think that just to fully develop an idea like this will take some serious resources.
Edited by: Nolan Void at: 2/24/01 11:28:37 pm
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Nolan,
You should re-name your country the United Lawsuits of America...that is how you people are viewed around the word - sue happy !!!
The Padre
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Yes Yukon, the rest of the world is truly blessed to have such a responsible governmental elite that would never allow the irresponsible masses to humiliate themselves in such a useless institution as a court of law.
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Nolan, I don't know how you voted in your poll but I have a good idea it was for pure sport and entertainment because you are so head and shoulders above Yukon intellectually that it must indeed be the case. In my humble opinion of course
**Don't forget to check out our other great forums!!
Nolan Void
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Ah, you are too kind. Of course, if the Yukon character is just an act, then it is flawless; and the creator is a genious deserving of praise. Therefore to insult Yukon is to praise the creator, as he must intend. Either way, justice is served!
As for my vote in the poll, I did vote for sport. But that answer was a compromise:
I truly believe Yukon's oddity makes a commodity of him within this forum. He therefore is a valued member. I believe he must sense this, as he chooses to return here and interact. So the socialist learns the benefits of supply and demand, from the undue attention he receives, and so is converted unwittingly to capitalism. We, the consumers, get what we want, which is sport. Some are simply Yukon junkies, incapable of ignoring him; I confess I also am one at times.
I guess that's sort of like eventually developing a fondness or attachment for a particularly unattractive and unfriendly neighborhood dog, because it's of such a character that you more fully appreciate the well formed and likeable ones.
WarLady1
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Yukon is an attention junkie and he really believes the garbage he espouses on here. I do think we are a positive influence on him though. Reference his conservative view on lawsuits.
**Don't forget to check out our other great forums!!
Hottjohn
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I believe that we must all be experiencing a mild form of the Stockholm Syndrome, as we all tend to comment on or respond to Yukon. The only difference is, we just haven't died with him and odds are, we never will, unless he chooses to come over to the "right" side.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.