Sex Education- is it sending mixed messages or wrong message altogether?

[PrezLeefun]

Sex Education- is it sending mixed messages or wrong message altogether?

if you have kids in elementary school they may have asked you about sex already or perhaps you have told them.

I am 17, still young, and still in school, so i can tell you with a clear concience that if you havent had the talk yet they already have some warped idea of what sex is and you might want to educate them on the birds and the bees right now.

But of course s many of you know you will not be the only one giving them a more accurate idea of what sex is. The school system does it as well.

They discuss the science behind "baby making"
The symtoms of STDs and HIV/AIDS
they distribute condoms
and then say abstinece is 100% effective in protecting a person from any side effects of the "dirty dance"

so how do you feel about the message being sent to kids in school about sex?
is it the message you want being sent to your child?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

One of the very reasons I homeschool.


Sex Education does NOT belong in the school system, it belongs at home, taught by the parents with an emphasis on abstinence. The only thing the schools are doing is promoting promiscuous sex. Who in their right mind believes sex ed should be taught to 5th graders? Ridiculous! Health? Yes. Human Anatomy? Yes. Biology? Yes. Sex Ed? NO WAY, NO HOW.

My nephew recently entered the sixth grade, all "sexed-up" from his mandatory sex-ed class in the 5th grade, and do you know what they start doing in sixth grade down here? Dances! Just what these kids need, sex them up and then send them out on a dance floor.

'Course, that's just my two cents worth. Sorry for the rant.:soap:

[agnostic]

Yea I say no sex ed in 5th grade, that's for sure. Middle school I think some education is in order, and high school there's no question about it.

[Conserv_Atticus]

Lets do it the NEA way and teach kindergartners what a penis and a vagina is, and what sexual intercourse is. And that its ok to touch yourself!..... NOT! Gag me with a spoon. My "Family Life" teacher (i'm taking this class in hopes i'll become a good father) teaches an abstinence sex ed curiculum. And i think its right on. As long as its in High School. None of this NEA crap, trying to turn little kids into mindless sex addicts.

[PrezLeefun]

i ended up learning about sex when i was five. (one year to late)

there was a kid in my class who everyday would say "My mama's sexy, my mama's sexy"
so i asked him "Whats sexy?" he said "Ask your mama." so i did. My mother's eyes bugged out of head. she told me to wait till i was married, so i have.

just an amusing story.

[Conserv_Atticus]

i ended up learning about sex when i was five. (one year to late)

there was a kid in my class who everyday would say "My mama's sexy, my mama's sexy"
so i asked him "Whats sexy?" he said "Ask your mama." so i did. My mother's eyes bugged out of head. she told me to wait till i was married, so i have.

just an amusing story.

rofl, very nice story!

[PrezLeefun]

rofl, very nice story!
sry what does rofl mean? i always thought it was funny being that i attened a catholic school.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

sry what does rofl mean? Rolling On the Floor Laughing (at least that's what my daughter said it means, LOL)

[PrezLeefun]

ohhhh ok thanx!!! when my friends and i shared how we found out, i suddenly realized my discovery was differnt from everybody elses.

[ponch21]

One of the very reasons I homeschool.


Sex Education does NOT belong in the school system, it belongs at home, taught by the parents with an emphasis on abstinence. The only thing the schools are doing is promoting promiscuous sex. Who in their right mind believes sex ed should be taught to 5th graders? Ridiculous! Health? Yes. Human Anatomy? Yes. Biology? Yes.
That is what I remember sex ed consisting of. What do they do in your neck of the woods? Teach different positions?

[PrezLeefun]

actually the sixth graders teach different positions--just kidding:devilange

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

That is what I remember sex ed consisting of. What do they do in your neck of the woods? Teach different positions?Don't quit your day job, I don't think you could give any of today's comedian's any competition.

My point was there is no need for a separate "sex-ed" class. Sex-ed is NOT an academic course of study. Learning about the human body's anatomy and functions is a natural extention of a science, biology, or health class. "Down in my neck of the woods," an entire semester is dedicated to sex education -- APART from science, biology, or health class. They teach the children how to put on condoms, and about self-gratification (if you get my meaning), etc. with very little focus on the factual consequences. NONE of these things belong to be taught in school because we shouldn't be teaching sex.

Funnny -- "sex ed" didn't USED to be taught in school and yet the unwed pregnancy rate, the STD rate, abortion rate, was very low*. Now they practically preach it (sex-ed/"safe" sex) from the cafeteria and hallways and the numbers of sexually active young people* are staggering, including the numbers for pregnancy, STD's, abortion, etc. Methinks there is a correlation there, wouldn't you say?


*As a ratio to population numbers.

[ponch21]

There may be a correlation, but I would doubt that you could find any direct relationship. Kids are surrounded by sexual images, sex talk, sex sex sex! They are becoming much more sexually active at a younger age than ever in our society. Like it or not, teenage bodies are built for sex. Our culture has just tried to stop them. Other cultures embrace it.

Why does every social problem fall on the shoulders of school? Perhaps stds, pregnancy, etc are on the rise because corporate america doesn't pay people what they deserve, so both parents are in the work force. No one home afterschool with these sexually charged teenagers. Plenty of opportunity for a little experimentation while mom and dad are at work.

Perhaps parents and schools should work together on this issue. What happens when the parent's responsibility isn't fulfilled? Then we have a teenager pregnant, more money spent by the state to take care of this kid for the next 18 years or more... Some parents do their job, some don't.

[jag]

Perhaps parents and schools should work together on this issue. What happens when the parent's responsibility isn't fulfilled? Then we have a teenager pregnant, more money spent by the state to take care of this kid for the next 18 years or more... Some parents do their job, some don't.Bingo!!

Too many want to blame that pregnant teen on the schools though. I have not had any of the horror stories people like to repeat concerning sex ed in the public schools. Some parents do their job, some don't...worth repeating.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

There may be a correlation, but I would doubt that you could find any direct relationship. Kids are surrounded by sexual images, sex talk, sex sex sex! They are becoming much more sexually active at a younger age than ever in our society.Okay, so I wasn't specific enough -- sex education is a PART of what is fueling this problem, ALONG with the media sex overload (television, music, books, etc.) Wouldn't it be nice to be able to AT LEAST eliminate one spoke in the wheel? (Remove "sex-ed" as a class/course on its own from the school system, and leave the "teaching" of sex-ed to the parents).

Like it or not, teenage bodies are built for sex. Our culture has just tried to stop them. Other cultures embrace it.Not just teenage bodies, the drive to procreate is inherint in every species. Our culture SHOULD try to stop them, children aren't ready for sex (emotionally, maturity, etc.), and I really don't give a rat's patootie what other cultures do, that doesn't make it RIGHT.

Why does every social problem fall on the shoulders of school?It doesn't fall on the shoulders of the school, the school is part and parcel of the problem -- they are helping to facilitate the social problem. They are working AGAINST the parent(s) and child(ren), by "teaching" something that is a SOCIAL issue NOT academic!

Perhaps stds, pregnancy, etc are on the rise because corporate america doesn't pay people what they deserve, so both parents are in the work force. No one home afterschool with these sexually charged teenagers. Plenty of opportunity for a little experimentation while mom and dad are at work.Oh yes, let's blame corporate America! Sorry, that bird ain't gonna fly either -- I am mother in a family of four, we make less than $25,000 a year, I do NOT work outside of the home, and we homeschool (read, WE have to PAY for our kids education as WELL as have our tax dollars confiscated to educate other's kids -- we get no tax break for doing the job ourselves.) We have 2 used vehicles, an old mobile home, no fancy TV system, no boat, we don't take expensive vacations, we don't eat out at big fancy restaurants. It CAN be done on one income -- it's just a matter of what type of lifestyle one is willing to live.

Society (and government) fosters this BIG lie that both parents HAVE to work outside of the home. Yes, in rare cases, such as single parents, that is true. People believe they have to have the "latest" car, clothes, boat, TV, computer system, house, etc. Being a parent is about SACRIFICE -- I KNOW, I have been doing it for almost 16 years. Parents get themselves in such debt -- THAT is why they have BOTH have to work outside of the home.

Perhaps parents and schools should work together on this issue.No, perhaps schools shouldn't work AGAINST the parents in the first place. Remove that which is NOT academic -- or at BEST teach what works 100% of the time. There will be failures -- there are (great) failures now with it being taught (read, practically PREACHED) to students. It is almost always darkest before the dawn, meaning the first attempts with this will not be the most successful (probably), but if it is stuck with, if persistence and consistence are maintained, the problem WILL get better because society will begin to again embrace the fact that SEX does not belong in the school house.

What happens when the parent's responsibility isn't fulfilled? Then we have a teenager pregnant, more money spent by the state to take care of this kid for the next 18 years or more... Some parents do their job, some don't.I agree with you, but it's not helping those same children to LEARN from the school exactly what to do either (because they are learning what to do, and ignoring what NOT to do). The responsibility should ALWAYS fall back upon the parents -- after all, THEY are the one that had them in the first place. Ultimately, parents should be parents, if they do not, they are not just letting themselves down but their children as well -- but again that's NO ONE'S fault but their own and they should deal with the consequences. Societal views MUST change before this will get better. Pressure MUST be put on lackadaisical or lazy parents, they MUST know that this will fall on THEIR shoulders instead of becoming a burden to the society at large.

Let's be realistic, some parents won't EVER do their job -- we can't base this issue on them. We must do what will be in the best interests of the majority. There is no such place as Utopia.

[ponch21]

I do not condone talking to 5th graders about how to put on a condom. I do not condone talking to 5th graders about masturbation.

However, I am concerned if kids are not being talked to about sex. It is an unavoidable subject in our society. Even parents who do their job (it would seem that you would fall under this category) may not do the job completely. I am not making a personal attack here, but you couldn't even write the word masturbation in an adult political forum.

Our children are not as innocent as many would wish to believe. I would say it has nothing to do with sex ed. This is the same argument that says we wouldn't have racism if we didn't talk about Jim Crow laws. Kids will be curious about sex regardless of what is taught in schools.

I am still confused by what is taught in sex ed. We have no such class in the school I teach in. We have health class where sex is discussed. As far as I know nothing of the sort you have described is going on. And this is in the liberal northern state of Minnesota.

I agree with your assessment that people can live on one income. I too live in a family of four. We only have one income - a teacher's salary of $40,000 - and we are able to survive quite well. It is about choices. Of course I live in a rural community where housing is affordable. This is different from my sister who lives north of Chicago - housing is almost 3x what it is in my community. Yes she could move to the country and buy a mobile home, but... not many jobs out there.

Aren't there all kinds of tax breaks for people who homeschool?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I do not condone talking to 5th graders about how to put on a condom. I do not condone talking to 5th graders about masturbation.

However, I am concerned if kids are not being talked to about sex. It is an unavoidable subject in our society. Even parents who do their job (it would seem that you would fall under this category) may not do the job completely. I am not making a personal attack here, but you couldn't even write the word masturbation in an adult political forum.No offense taken, no personal attack assumed. I did not write that word because I have made it a point to avoid any specific language that would make others uncomfortable. Seems a bit ridiculous, doesn't it, on an open forum while others cuss and say "blue" things. It's kind of like what my mom told me, if you make it a habit (not engaging in such behavior), and strive to find the right words (which is an intelligent choice), you'll never worry about slipping at the wrong time. No guarantee I won't ever slip, but I'm doing all I can to prevent it. I believe this issue is deeply personal, and I am trying to treat it with the respect I believe it deserves.

Just because I am tactful on a posting board should in no what be misconstrued as me NOT discussing information regarding sex with my children. I believe there is proper way and context in which to discuss this issue. My son is a 15 year old 10th grader, my daughter 13 year old 7th grader -- they are aware of bodily functions, anatomy and biology. They are free to come with questions anytime, and we have had several productive discussions along the lines. It is definitely a shame more parents don't do the same.

Our children are not as innocent as many would wish to believe.Why do you suppose this is? Because society does everything in its power to go against parents -- sexually explicit commercials, songs, movies, television shows, radio programs, magazines, sex ed in the classroom, homosexual parades down mainstreet ... shoot, just walking in the MALL or going to DisneyWorld on the wrong day!

I never said children were innocent. We should do all we can to maintain some semblence of innocence in them when it comes to some issues though. What do you say to your 4 year old when you come across a couple (male/male) in the Mall kissing on the mouth, and the child asks why those men are doing that? What do you say to your 3rd grader when she overhears a friends parents talk about Joe having sex with Mary who is married to John? How about your 5th grader who is on the floor playing with a toy when the President of the United States comes on the telly pointing his finger at America saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."?

[/QUOTE]I would say it has nothing to do with sex ed. This is the same argument that says we wouldn't have racism if we didn't talk about Jim Crow laws. Kids will be curious about sex regardless of what is taught in schools.[/QUOTE]I am of a thought that unless one is exposed to something they are less likely to know about it, engage in it, or abuse it. The idea of sex-ed is a social issue, it is not an academics issue, with the exception of focusing on anatomy and bodily functions. Issues like self-gratification, oral-gratification, etc., have no place in an academic setting. BUT if they are GOING to be included, then the consequences should be included as well -- and HIGHLY focused on, because young people think they are invincible, "it will never happen to me."

I am still confused by what is taught in sex ed. We have no such class in the school I teach in. We have health class where sex is discussed. As far as I know nothing of the sort you have described is going on. And this is in the liberal northern state of Minnesota.As I said, this was a class my 5th grade nephew took (Florida). It is a required part of school in FIFTH grade. This is WRONG. I spoke with the mother one family (I did not discuss issue with my Sister-In-Law because we do not discuss education because of my homeschooling choice) -- when the school sent home the information informing the parent(s) that this class would be taking place the next semester, they arranged a night for parents to come so they could find out what would be taught. This mom went, there were only 5 other parents there representing 75 fifth grade students. That's simply HORRIBLE! Part of me was angry with the parents for not bothering to show up (don't know if they got their info paper though, the kids could have thrown them away since they were sent home with the students) -- but the other part of me was angry for this having to take place in the first place. No parent would have a problem with anatomy and bodily functions taught in science/health -- but the omission of any type of moral compas when teaching these is tantamount to giving the kids the keys to the car without them knowing the rules of the road (I borrowed that from DoctorDoom, I believe).

I agree with your assessment that people can live on one income. I too live in a family of four. We only have one income - a teacher's salary of $40,000 - and we are able to survive quite well. It is about choices. Of course I live in a rural community where housing is affordable. This is different from my sister who lives north of Chicago - housing is almost 3x what it is in my community. Yes she could move to the country and buy a mobile home, but... not many jobs out there.:yeahthat: :thumb:

Anything worth anything requires sacrifice and hard work. One must go where the work is, they are not guaranteed a job in a place they "like to live." If people were willing to do whatever they can to accopmlish the goal they desire, there would be a lot less problem in this area. Families CAN make it on one income, the problem comes when they place "things" above "needs".

Aren't there all kinds of tax breaks for people who homeschool?Sadly, no there are not. Every penny comes out of our pocket -- good thing homeschoolers are so thrifty, frugal, and ingenious! LOL :D

[Dashy McUnderscore]

k like yea okay sex educ is reall good and ev3rything. i totaly think they shoud keep it and mayb upgrade it even more :buttkiss:

[Amerigo Vespucci]

sex education is good for the kiddies. its the liberals and gay people who think its dumb!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

k like yea okay sex educ is reall good and ev3rything. i totaly think they shoud keep it and mayb upgrade it even more http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/smilies/butt%20kiss.gif

:icon133:Obviously a product of the "publick edjucashun sistem"!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

sex education is good for the kiddies. its the liberals and gay people who think its dumb!

You're so funny I forgot to laugh.:crazy: