White only scholarships?

[Trance]

On my way to work, I was listening to Mike Gallager (as I often do). And today he had a special guest who had a very intresting scenario....he was giving $250 in scholarship funds.

The catch was the funds were only made available to white students.

Why? According to the guest, they make scholarships available to blacks only, so why not start up a white-only scholarship?

Naturally several Liberal callers were comparing him to a Klansman, Naxi, ect for even **thinking** of a white only scholarship fund.

Naturally, when he asked why was it ok for a black only fund, but not a while only fund, the caller refused to respond.

What's your take on this?

[RunToTheHills]

I lean liberal, but i have no problem with this. So what if theres a white only scholarship. Now, if it was something like a white only Country Club, then yeah. But there is such an abundance of scholarship money out there, that 1 solitary scholarship for white kids is fine.

[dajoga]

Sounds fair to me. If someone wants to give scholarships only to blue-eyed, blonde women over 175 lbs. so what? It's their money. Now if government did this, then no.

[Wolfcounsel]

There is no white and there is no black. There are only varying shades of TAN.:whip:


I see nothing wrong with non-government issuing of scholarships based on race. The blacks do it, so why can't the whites do it?

[Beowulf]

It sounds fair to me! If we can have black scholarships, Hispanic or whatever, why not white only. With all the red tape of traditional scholarships forcing them to minorities quite often, white only scholarships may be the only ones whites can get.

[Rink]

Why the heck not a 'white scholarship' and while we're at it, on campuses why not have White pride day and white power groups?

Blacks and hispanics have em so why not whites?

Turnabout is fair play methinks.

[Beowulf]

Agreed!

[Timberwolf]

I lean liberal, but i have no problem with this. So what if theres a white only scholarship. Now, if it was something like a white only Country Club, then yeah. But there is such an abundance of scholarship money out there, that 1 solitary scholarship for white kids is fine.If said CC is a PRIVATELY owned and run institution, why the hell not? WHO CARES if certain people are excluded? If they want a country club, let them build/buy/start one of their own.

As for the scholarship thang...fine by me. While we're at it, let's start the United Caucasian College Fund, the National Association for the Advancement of Pale People, and have the participants of professional sports teams (NBA, MLB, NFL, etc) reflect "the cross-section of America" standard applied to the coaching positions.

That oughta light a fire under some liberals nether regions....

[THEBIRD]

HEY!!!

I'm in school right now so where do I sign up???

[okkervil]

when i was in highschool, people tried to start a white culture club, and it was allowed since we already had a black culture club. well, the result was that several skinheads took over and race riots resulted and the whole thing was a huge mess.

my answer is that i believe that we should focus on unity of all races, and i don't think there should should be a black only fund or a white only fund. instead of black culture and white culture clubs, why not one club where the impact of both cultures on each other is discussed/celebrated?

sure, private companies have the right to give scholariships to whomever they damn well please...it is just my belief that it shouldn't be based on race at all.

[Beowulf]

If only it were that easy, Okker. I'd like to see the words of Dr. King stick, the ones in which he said, "...that one day people will be judged by the content of their character and NOT by the color of their skin.."

Problem is, too many can't see past the skin color. I can and probably you can too but groups like the ACLU and the NAACP make everything an issue of race. I'm all for some compromise but since those two afore mentioned groups are the driving force of racism, they will have to make concessions first before I give it a thought, like denounce using race in colleges to gain preferential admission even if they don't have the grades or SAT scores of a white counterpart.

[okkervil]

If only it were that easy, Okker. I'd like to see the words of Dr. King stick, the ones in which he said, "...that one day people will be judged by the content of their character and NOT by the color of their skin.."

Problem is, too many can't see past the skin color. I can and probably you can too but groups like the ACLU and the NAACP make everything an issue of race. I'm all for some compromise but since those two afore mentioned groups are the driving force of racism, they will have to make concessions first before I give it a thought, like denounce using race in colleges to gain preferential admission even if they don't have the grades or SAT scores of a white counterpart.
Yes. I totally agree. In an ideal society Dr. King's words would stick. Unfortanutely there are racists, black, white, hispanic, you name it. And yes, I disagree with the NAACP and the ACLU with what they have done to make racism worse.

[CaliGirl]

I have no problem with the white only scholarships! Reasons as all others have posted. While we are at it, lets have a white only graduation from college! The city where I spent roughly 28 years of my life, the college there had "Hispanics only" graduations!

[okkervil]

I guess fighting fire with fire works for some people.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I guess fighting fire with fire works for some people." --okkervil


You can also attract flies with honey and then swat them with a heavy duty swatter.

[okkervil]

"I guess fighting fire with fire works for some people." --okkervil


You can also attract flies with honey and then swat them with a heavy duty swatter.
That works too.

[Keith J]

I guess fighting fire with fire works for some people.
Worked fine for some oil well fires. See Red Adair, Boots and Coots and others.

How does one go about proving one is of the aforementioned classes of people who presently receive favorable standing? I think if everyone applied for such scholarships, grants and loans regardless of proof, the systems would soon fail from reverse suits.

Fight fire with fire. There are no protected classes.

[okkervil]

Worked fine for some oil well fires. See Red Adair, Boots and Coots and others.

How does one go about proving one is of the aforementioned classes of people who presently receive favorable standing? I think if everyone applied for such scholarships, grants and loans regardless of proof, the systems would soon fail from reverse suits.

Fight fire with fire. There are no protected classes.
I still think a little water wouldn't hurt. Like if none of the scholarships, grants and loans were based on race.
What if we *gasp* actually followed our little WWJD bracelets and did the right thing? I didn't know Jesus when he was a man, but I'm pretty sure he'd be against ANY racist system, whether it be pro white or pro black.
But I gues we can initiate all of our cute little exclusionary devices and see if it solves the problem of racism.

[Beowulf]

But, since the ACLU, NAACP and the Democratic Party have done a great job in suppressing religious rights, they wouldn't listen to any reasoning involving Jesus.

[okkervil]

But, since the ACLU, NAACP and the Democratic Party have done a great job in suppressing religious rights, they wouldn't listen to any reasoning involving Jesus.
I'm not talking about just those goons. Change needs to start somewhere, why not with us? My point is, trying to make things better is better than trying to make things worse.

[UnkHiram]

Personally I think the "White's Only" Scholarship is a bad ideal, but then I think the Black only and the hispanic only and the left handed one legged bull dike only scholarships are a bad ideal. But if it aint tax money paying for it, then it aint none of my business.

[PrezLeefun]

If it has anything to do with the state then there should be no race/religious based scholarships. although I am a woman of color and it would probably benefit me most; I am against affirmative action-of any form. I think it has gone from a good thing to racism in action. People should get ahead in life based on their merits, not what they were born into.

[okkervil]

If it has anything to do with the state then there should be no race/religious based scholarships. although I am a woman of color and it would probably benefit me most; I am against affirmative action-of any form. I think it has gone from a good thing to racism in action. People should get ahead in life based on their merits, not what they were born into.
Well stated, I agree.

[PrezLeefun]

Well stated, I agree.
thank you :thumb:

[Wolfcounsel]

I also agree that there should be no scholarships based on anything but how smart a person is.

[Beowulf]

If it has anything to do with the state then there should be no race/religious based scholarships. although I am a woman of color and it would probably benefit me most; I am against affirmative action-of any form. I think it has gone from a good thing to racism in action. People should get ahead in life based on their merits, not what they were born into.
Well state, Prez, and I totally agree. One of your fellow women of color spoke much of the same words. Her name? Condoleeza Rice and I have all the respect in the world for her. I would even support her presidency.


I also agree that there should be no scholarships based on anything but how smart a person is.
That's the way it should have been from the get go.

[D.Will]

I am also a black woman and I agree with prezleefun, that aff. action and other scholarships based on race should be extinguished. However, it seems that some of the attitudes displayed on this board are the reason that many blacks are afraid to do away with preferences becuase they believe that to doing so would increase racism.
Also you shouldn't be so hard on people who believe that preferences are necessary because it is a generational, take my boyfriend for instance he believes in all things black but he went to an all black school, etc and didnt really know any white people until college and now on his job. In my case I grew up around whites and then lived around blacks so my views are different. I had to realize that and stop being so hard on black people my own self because I used to get angry at black people for not just 'getting over it' (slavery, etc), but it is not that simple. I believe that judging a group of people you know nothing about is wrong. Fighting fire with fire has been getting everyone (whites and blacks) nowhere instead I say try and put yourself in their shoes which is very hard and requires compassion. Sorry I'm off my soap box now. :) :soap:

[Wolfcounsel]

"However, it seems that some of the attitudes displayed on this board are the reason that many blacks are afraid to do away with preferences becuase they believe that to doing so would increase racism." --D.Will


I don't believe you can post any remarks from any racists. Go ahead and try.

[PrezLeefun]

I know im gonna get slammed for this but I cant live life worrying about what other people think of me so here it goes...

The biggest problem with the African American community is not being able to know the difference between remembering and learning from the past and letting go of the past.

so I am gonna help them

1.) Slavery- Abolished 1865-see Amendments #13,14, and 15

2.) Segregation- ended 1954- see Brown v. Board of Education

3.) Civil Rights Movement- resolved 1968-see Civil Rights Act


Granted the previous did have a strong effect on the African American community as a whole, but it is time to let go!!! just because of past wrongs doesnt mean anyone deserves a handout. I was not a slave, I was not segregated, and I was not a part of the civil rights movment. The playing feild is even now, the goverment isnt racist anymore so the "pity me im black and underprivilged" crap should change as well. :flame:


ok im done, slaughter me.

[Wolfcounsel]

"ok im done, slaughter me." --PrezLeeFun


Uh, the only ones who might try to slaughter you are the con artists who want reparations for descendants of slaves, and I believe none of those imbeciles post here.

[PrezLeefun]

"ok im done, slaughter me." --PrezLeeFun


Uh, the only ones who might try to slaughter you are the con artists who want reparations for descendants of slaves, and I believe none of those imbeciles post here.
rofl :laugh: cute....real cute....

[D.Will]

First get something straight, I do not agree with preferences on any level. I know plenty of blacks who do not agree with preferences and a whole host of other things but many of them support preferences anyway for fear that rights will be taken away, I do not agree with their assessment, however, the present situation between whites and blacks will not be solved until both sides stop blaming each other and look at themselves. What I was trying to convey is the need for white people to be more compassionate and try and see it from another viewpoint because many times black people support measures out of tradition or fear, not true belief.
Trust me it was a hard concept for me to understand also, I felt like many blacks were just being sorry and lazy, because I did not grow up around blacks until I got older so many of the norms and values of the culture I did not learn, so I did not fit in. To me many of problems in the black community seemed so easy to fix and I did not understand why they didn't stop complaining and just do something about the different situations they were facing (loss of jobs, etc). My father told me that I was being too hard on blacks and needed to be more compassionate. I thought he was crazy and it took awhile for it to sink in, but instead of judging them so harshly I started trying to figure out why they believed like they do and that help me develop compassion for their plight and instead of just complaining I decided to start where I was at and do my part in changing My community. That was my point. Stop bitching like you accuse blacks of doing and seeing what you can do, even if it that is just trying to be a little more compassionate for someone else whom you know nothing about.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Stop bitching like you accuse blacks of doing and seeing what you can do, even if it that is just trying to be a little more compassionate for someone else whom you know nothing about." --D. Will

To whom are you addressing the "request" to stop bitching?
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[Beowulf]

OK, D.Will, I can tell you're one who believes in things being fair so what I'm going to say will make me sound predjudiced, although I'm not.

I know many minorities don't agree with preference but too many colleges and employers allow it. Higher SAT scores and grades take a back seat to points given to skin color. Employers sometimes take a minority to avoid being sued for discrimination. I know as twice I was denied a job for that reason.

My wife has also been the victim of a minority as well, more than once. She was rear-ended in Tennessee by an African American woman who ran a red light. But, because she screamed discrimination after calling my wife "an ignorant white bitch," she was assessed fault to avoid a lawsuit. I payed dearly for that one.
In 2000, she was running a video store outside of Atlanta when a black men tried to rent on his girlfriend's account which his name was not on. By regulation, he was not allowed to rent and my wife denied him. He then said, "you won't rent to me because I'm black" and then proceeded to assault my wife and told his son to ransack the store.
I came in to bring her some lunch to find her crying and the police making out reports. The only thing that kept me from jumping him was the cop who positioned himself between us.

So you ask for compassion. I hope you understand why I have none. These people bring it on themselves.
Affirmative action is BS.
Preference is BS.

I work amongst many minorities at work and get along fine with them. Blacks, Hispanics and Orientals and we all have a good time. We treat each other equally and aren't afraid to take a stand if someone turns something into a matter of race.

[D.Will]

No I do not believe that everything can be fair and I know the types of blacks that you are referring to who use their race in order to get ahead. My point is that you help those that can be helped.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

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When I was growing up my family used to live in Washington State because my father was in the military. I went to a predominantly white school except for a hand full of blacks. As a child I was not conscious of my race because my parents did not major on race. Then my dad got out of the military and we moved south to Alabama. This was my first exposure to living around nothing but blacks. At first I was happy because I would no longer be ‘the only black’, but soon I found that I did not fit in because I acted too 'white'. So I transformed myself, on the outside I changed my behavior to mimic the blacks I was around so that I would not be teased. But on the inside I began to resent and eventually hate all blacks because the black teachers taught nothing but Black History all year round and for the first time I became conscious of the fact that I was black. So if I encountered a white person and they did anything I now processed it as a race issue first and everything else second. For example, if a white person didn’t speak when I said hello I wondered if it was because I was black first and then thought about possible reasons why they did not speak (maybe they didn’t hear me, having a bad day). It took years to get over this hatred because I felt that my culture sucked compared to others, such as, Asian, European, etc. Then you have the Jesse Jackson types that get up and supposedly speak for all blacks and make crazy statements that all blacks end up having to pay for.<o:p></o:p>

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My point is that not every black person feels the way you think that they do. The race-baiters probably can't be helped but there are a good number of black people who vote Democrat because of tradition. These blacks vote and think a certain way because of how they were raised. Without the experiences that I have had in my life I could have very well turned into a person like the one you were talking about. My boyfriend is a dem and he believes a lot of the crap that the dems sprout because that is the way his family feels and he has never thought or tried to see things from another perspective. My family on the other hand were Christian and raised us with the belief that God comes first and next comes your country, so I grew up believing that the country I grew up in was a great nation. This Christian background is what made my parents vote Rep. and eventually me and my brothers followed, but our mindset is different than a lot of blacks that I know. My boyfriend and I get into a lot fights over politics but I believe that if I can help someone consider another viewpoint then I'm doing my job. <o:p></o:p>

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Another area where I concentrate my efforts is with children because I work in school as a parapro (ISS) and I talk to them about life, their actions, and the choices they make. Maybe I'm an idealist but I believe that complaining or wishing that things would go back to how they used to be, or fighting fire with fire will only make things worse. I know black people need a lot of work and no I do not believe that it is white people's job to try and fix it, however, I do believe that being a little less judgmental helps. The hard work is going to have to be done by blacks which is what I would like to try and do when I get more established because it is a black problem.

[DoctorDoom]

The first step REAL equality is to dump that liberal Hyphen-American crap. "African-American" — like "Asian-American", "Mexican-American", and so on ad nauseam — is a politically correct designation that does nothing but create division and isolation. The libs WANT separation and conflict. They thrive on maintaining disunity. Their political power depends on it.

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
-- Martin Luther King, August 28, 1963 (http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html)

It will never happen as long as liberals are allowed to foment distrust and hatred between people based on the amount of melanin in their skin.

I for one don't see blacks, whites, or any hue or shade between them. I see men and women, children of God. I don't see African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, or any other artificial division. I see Americans, citizens of the greatest country in history.

Unfortunately, I also see ruthless, soulless bastards whose lust for political power motivates them to drive wedges between Americans based on utterly meaningless biological characteristics. And I see people who fail to see the evil behind that shameless racism buying into the liberal lies and distortions.

When every one of us can look into a mirror and say, "I am an American!" without adding pigeonholing qualifiers, then we will have gone a long way toward realizing Dr. King's dream.

[PrezLeefun]

Doctor Doom i have to disagree with you on one part of that statement. being "African American" or "Mexican American" etc. is not a bad way to identify oneself racialy and nationally, however i think its the order that needs a change. how bout " American African" "American Asian" etc sounds more more uniting dont you think.

[UnkHiram]

Prez

The labels do tend to divide us. You are African-American, Doc is Grouchy-American I am Texican-American. Why cant we just be American? My Ancestor (fathers side) came from England but I dont call my self English-American, My ANcestors (mothers side) met them at the landing but I dont call my self Native-American, I just call myself an American.

[Trance]

If it has anything to do with the state then there should be no race/religious based scholarships. although I am a woman of color and it would probably benefit me most; I am against affirmative action-of any form. I think it has gone from a good thing to racism in action. People should get ahead in life based on their merits, not what they were born into.
Very well stated. If the universities really supported true diversity, then they'd make scholarships available to all....not just a select few.

[Trance]

I know im gonna get slammed for this but I cant live life worrying about what other people think of me so here it goes...

The biggest problem with the African American community is not being able to know the difference between remembering and learning from the past and letting go of the past.

so I am gonna help them

1.) Slavery- Abolished 1865-see Amendments #13,14, and 15

2.) Segregation- ended 1954- see Brown v. Board of Education

3.) Civil Rights Movement- resolved 1968-see Civil Rights Act


Granted the previous did have a strong effect on the African American community as a whole, but it is time to let go!!! just because of past wrongs doesnt mean anyone deserves a handout. I was not a slave, I was not segregated, and I was not a part of the civil rights movment. The playing feild is even now, the goverment isnt racist anymore so the "pity me im black and underprivilged" crap should change as well. :flame:


ok im done, slaughter me.
The only people who will slam you are the Jesse Jacksons and the "blame whitey" type people.

[Sinanju]

Originally Posted by PrezLeefun
"I know im gonna get slammed for this but I cant live life worrying about what other people think of me so here it goes...

The biggest problem with the African American community is not being able to know the difference between remembering and learning from the past and letting go of the past.

so I am gonna help them

1.) Slavery- Abolished 1865-see Amendments #13,14, and 15

2.) Segregation- ended 1954- see Brown v. Board of Education

3.) Civil Rights Movement- resolved 1968-see Civil Rights Act


Granted the previous did have a strong effect on the African American community as a whole, but it is time to let go!!! just because of past wrongs doesnt mean anyone deserves a handout. I was not a slave, I was not segregated, and I was not a part of the civil rights movment. The playing feild is even now, the goverment isnt racist anymore so the "pity me im black and underprivilged" crap should change as well. :flame:


ok im done, slaughter me."


Betta watch yo'self honkey.... hmm.. what??? Prez isn't white????

What is the world coming to??!?!???


Seriously though... I had to chime in here...

Basically, if ANY of us will be labeled a racist it is me.... I am a white, southern, neocon... To the majority of liberals and Californians I am the Grand Poo-Bah of the KKK.... To anyone south of the Mason-Dixon, i am a(please forgive me...) n----r lover...

You see, my wife is Japanese.. one of my two best friends is a black woman(never heard THAT one before , have ya?? and to compound things the other is a card carrying communist) and I have walked unmolested(well, at least against my will...) through some of the roughest "black" neighborhoods in the country....

My point? Hell, who knows... My input here is strictly to address the fact that NOBODY here is a racist... or more specifically.. we are ALL racists but none of us are malicious about it.... Humans will always point out that which is different from what they see in the mirror... Animals do it as well....

White only scholarships? White only country clubs? If it is PRIVATE money or property then the owner of said funds or location should be able to dictate when/where/who has access.... There are black only fraternities... Black only scholarships.... and the same holds true for hispanics and asians and lefthanded, one-eyed, pedophilic arabs.....

There would be NO issue of race without the race baiters of all colors chiming in.... White, black, brown, yellow, and whatever other freaking color you can find.... Not picking on the black section but shutting Farakhan, Jackson, and Sharpton up would make huge headway in true equality.... and the same holds true for all other races....


And lastly... feel free to state your opinion here... we(some more than others..) may jump all over you but unlike other places you will only catch a ban if you truly deserve one... not for having a difference of opinion!

Oh, and Welcome all you newbies... concerned conservatives and multiple account liberals!

[PrezLeefun]

I dont beleive all people are racist per-say but all people definately are predjudice.
We all carry some sort of predjudice with us. Not all predjudices are bad...but they can lead to bad sterotypes, and generalizations.
In my neighborhood black people=poor white people=rich asian=smart/cook hispanic=dirty/thief

You get the idea. Point is none of those thing are true. and yet they are perpetuated by the media and our own predjudices. I dont think people should be judged by that which is false.