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Rink
01-01-2005, 04:53 PM
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A NEW PATH : Jasmine Pinet is one of a number of US Latinas who have converted to Islam. Ms. Pinet says she feels more comfortable in Muslim garb as she walks the streets of her home in Jersey City, N.J.
ANDY NELSON - STAFF

US Latinas seek answers in Islam

It surprises many of their friends and family, but some young US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect.

By Christine Armario | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

UNION CITY, N.J. – Jasmine Pinet sits on the steps outside a mosque here, tucking in strands of her burgundy hair beneath a white head scarf, and explaining why she, a young Latina, feels that she has found greater respect as a woman by converting to Islam.
"They're not gonna say, 'Hey mami, how are you?' " Ms. Pinet says of Muslim men. "Usually they say, 'Hello, sister.' And they don't look at you like a sex object."

While some Latinas her age try to emulate the tight clothes and wiggling hips of stars like Jennifer Lopez and Christina Aguilera, Ms. Pinet and others are adopting a more conservative lifestyle and converting to Islam. At this Union City, N.J., mosque, women account for more than half of the Latino Muslims who attend services here. Nationwide, there are about 40,000 Latino Muslims in the United States, according to the Islamic Society of North America.

Many of the Latina converts say that their belief that women are treated better in Islam was a significant factor in converting. Critics may protest that wearing the veil marks a woman as property, but some Latina converts say they welcome the fact that they are no longer whistled at walking down a street. "People have an innate response that I'm a religious person, and they give [me] more respect," says Jenny Yanez, another Latina Muslim. "You're not judged if you're in fashion or out of fashion."

Other Latina Muslims say they also like the religion's emphasis on fidelity to one's spouse and family.

But for many family members and friends, these conversions come as a surprise - often an unwelcome one. They may know little of Islam other than what they have heard of the Taliban and other extremist groups.

That creates an inaccurate image, insists Leila Ahmed, a professor of women's studies and religion at Harvard University. "It astounds me, the extent to which people think Afghanistan and the Taliban represent women and Islam." What's really going on, she says, is a reshaping of the relationship between women and Islam. "We're in the early stages of a major rethinking of Islam that will open Islam for women. [Muslim scholars] are rereading the core texts of Islam - from the Koran to legal texts - in every possible way."

New views of women and Islam may be more prevalent in countries like the US, where women read the Koran themselves and rely less on patriarchal interpretations.

"I think the women here are asserting more their rights and their privileges," says Zahid Bukhari, director of the American-Muslim Studies Program at George- town University. "

Some Latina Muslims say they harbored stereotypes about Muslim women before deciding to convert, but changed their minds once becoming close friends with a Muslim.

More on the Incremental creep of Muslimization of latin America (http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1227/p11s02-ussc.html)

Wolfcounsel
01-01-2005, 06:38 PM
No matter what people wear, they are still naked under their clothes.

Rink
01-02-2005, 05:11 PM
Well to me this shows Islam is creeping into one of the potentially dangerous segments of the America's the Latinos.

Europe has its Arabs, but can you imagine America having jihadist muslimized latinos?

Wolfcounsel
01-02-2005, 05:42 PM
"Europe has its Arabs, but can you imagine America having jihadist muslimized latinos?" --Rink

I was going to buy a burkha for my wife, but I didn't like the storage place she said she was going to keep it in.

I wouldn't be concerned about Spanish dumbasses or Arab dumbasses or black dumbasses or any other type of dumbass converting to islam. What's going to happen will happen regardless. Just keep your weapons and ammunition clean and functioning, in case those people get a wild hair up their asses to convert us infidels or attempt to kill us.

PaulRevere
01-02-2005, 06:20 PM
Where's the part about Moslem men raping women as a right, or rite, with the woman held responsible even to her family, with fathers and brothers killing them for dishonoring the family?

Where is their understanding that women don't work - they just stay home waiting to fornicate and produce and raise eight or more babies?

Wolfcounsel
01-02-2005, 07:23 PM
I can see those women nodding their heads up and down like those dog toys in the rear of cars, as they read this:

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/womens/burka_vs_bikini.htm

dajoga
01-03-2005, 07:25 PM
Critics may protest that wearing the veil marks a woman as property, but some Latina converts say they welcome the fact that they are no longer whistled at walking down a street.

A woman doesn't need to wear a burka to be dressed modestly. I wonder what they were wearing when whistled at?

PrezLeefun
01-03-2005, 07:31 PM
A woman doesn't need to wear a burka to be dressed modestly. I wonder what they were wearing when whistled at?
excellent point. But i must say the real real problem is that she does see her culture has set her up to recieve the true Messiah.

Republican_Legion
01-24-2005, 02:33 PM
I don't see this getting to far, my experience with Mexican families reminds me their fathers have way too much love for their daughters to allow any jizzbrained muz to violate them. I grew up in So California and was in Mexico often. The traditional Mexican family is one of the most hospitable people you will ever know. And they are perfectly willing to defend their family in a most commendable way any time it is deemed necessary.

i agree , when my parents were dating , when my dad came back with my mom late , my grandpa would have his golf club with him ....

DesertFox
01-24-2005, 04:13 PM
some young US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect

Which branch of Islam do these young US latinas subscribe to?

Wolfcounsel
01-24-2005, 04:21 PM
"Which branch of Islam do these young US latinas subscribe to?" --DesertFox

The Mosque of the Stoned Women comes to mind. Stoned as, on drugs, that is.

UnkHiram
01-24-2005, 04:45 PM
some young US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect

Which branch of Islam do these young US latinas subscribe to?

I can imigine alot of reasons for converting to islam (let me be quick to point out, none of them are rational) but this is the Least intelligent one I have heard yet. Using that type of logic I guess I respect my shoes more respect, because just like Islamic Women they are PROPERTY.

PrezLeefun
01-24-2005, 08:39 PM
I can imigine alot of reasons for converting to islam (let me be quick to point out, none of them are rational) but this is the Least intelligent one I have heard yet. Using that type of logic I guess I respect my shoes more respect, because just like Islamic Women they are PROPERTY.

quite true

Republican_Legion
01-25-2005, 01:12 AM
some young US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect

Which branch of Islam do these young US latinas subscribe to?

they obviously like being abused by men .

nene
01-26-2005, 04:55 PM
For the most part, latinas are far too proud to endure the stupidities of the Islamic faith.

DesertFox
01-26-2005, 05:55 PM
Agreed. Latin culture honors a woman more than any other does, and it isn't embarrassed or intimidated by female beauty. Latinas who have the means never go anywhere looking less than their best. They're proud of their beauty and understand that the allure of sex is what catches, and controls, a man.

When you look as good as so many latinas do, it would be a crime against nature to hide behind a burkha.

UnkHiram
01-26-2005, 05:58 PM
DF

Now that is a NEW Law I could support.

Maggie_T
04-08-2006, 11:09 AM
"They're not gonna say, 'Hey mami, how are you?' " Ms. Pinet says of Muslim men. "Usually they say, 'Hello, sister.' And they don't look at you like a sex object."

Why, you stupid cow. Muslim men only see you as a reproductive machine and will use you just to bear their offspring.

You know, on second thought, I'm glad this imbecile converted to Islam.


SHE DESERVES EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING TO HER. :flame:


And there's plenty coming her way.


For the record, guys: not ALL Latinas are stupid, ignorant cows, who shoot themselve in the foot, like Ms. Pinet. :blush:


(This article is so mortifying)

jayson
04-08-2006, 11:45 AM
Yep, most young latinas are quite beautiful, I will admit that... Until AFTER they turn 20, when the pudgie starts packing after 3 or 4 kids and it don't go away. Our mexican friend calls them wojacas... Short fat mexican-indian women.

Wolfcounsel
04-08-2006, 11:53 AM
"Our mexican friend calls them wojacas..." --jayson

Is that pronounced WA HA KA or WA CHA KA?

jayson
04-08-2006, 11:55 AM
Wa-ha-ka

Wolfcounsel
04-08-2006, 12:09 PM
Thanks.

Maggie_T
04-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Oh, and another thing I object to is the title: "US Latinas." That is an unpardonable generalization! :flame:

The_Elucidator
04-08-2006, 02:44 PM
Other Latina Muslims say they also like the religion's emphasis on fidelity to one's spouse and family.

Yeah, wait till Akmed asks you to strap on a bomb and run into a crowded Elementary School for the cause or he will kill your children.

Also - dealing with young overbearing, jealous, possesive Latino's here in the south of Texas it seems that they are jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Maggie_T
04-08-2006, 03:27 PM
Other Latina Muslims say they also like the religion's emphasis on fidelity to one's spouse and family.

Uh-huh. In the case of Ahmed, fidelity to his spouses is more likely the case.

I tell you, I'm glad she converted. Maybe after a couple of years of not being able to poke her nose out of the house without her husband's escort, of wearing burkhas, veils, headscraves, and whatnot, she'll come to the conclusion that her Latino Macho was not that bad, after all.

Only then, it'll be too late ... hehehe :evilgrin:

No, don't ask me to feel sorry for this cow. She went into it with eyes wide open.

Wolfcounsel
04-08-2006, 03:58 PM
"Maybe after a couple of years of not being able to poke her nose out of the house without her husband's escort, of wearing burkhas, veils, headscraves, and whatnot, she'll come to the conclusion that her Latino Macho was not that bad, after all." --Maggie_T

I think she'll come to the conclusion that she'd better take out the trash.

Maggie_T
04-08-2006, 04:01 PM
Provided she does it WITH her husband permission and escort, not to mention head-to-toe cover. :grin:

Trau
04-09-2006, 12:20 PM
All of the reasons give for conversion are quite present in their own (most likely) religion, Catholicism. You can dress unlike a whore without a burkha or hijab.

Maggie_T
04-09-2006, 12:55 PM
Huh?

Rink
04-09-2006, 12:58 PM
Dont think Trau understands that Catholicism encourages Modest dress, in many Catholic Churches they encourage even today more now than ever before and esp in Latin countries the use of the Mantilla or headcovering for women while in church.

Course Trau's little comment shows just how IGNORANT he truly is of Catholicism.

nene
04-09-2006, 01:01 PM
I think that was exactly Trau's point. The reason cited don't make sense seeing as those values are already in Catholicism.

Rink
04-09-2006, 01:01 PM
History of the Mantilla (http://www.spanishpassion.com/mantilla/mantilla_ha_i.html)

Rink
04-09-2006, 01:03 PM
Traus post insinuates that the Catholic religion in Latin American countries dont care whether they wear sexually explicit clothing or not, that is my take on what he said and I say he is woefully ignorant of Catholicism..

Maggie_T
04-09-2006, 01:07 PM
I think that Trau was deliberately trying to bash Catholicism ... again.

Trau, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize ... but you'll have to prove me wrong first.

I've had it with Catholic-bashing. I don't ask non-Catholics to love my religion. I'm just asking them to show the respect I show for theirs.

nene
04-09-2006, 01:08 PM
^shrugs^

CzechPrince
04-23-2006, 09:06 PM
I think that Trau was deliberately trying to bash Catholicism ... again.

Trau, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize ... but you'll have to prove me wrong first.

I've had it with Catholic-bashing. I don't ask non-Catholics to love my religion. I'm just asking them to show the respect I show for theirs.
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Trau is Catholic.

He was stating the reasons given by the women were stupid, since in many Catholic famalies/areas respectable dress is highly encouraged/even required.