Why do you want to own guns? [Archive]

Faithful_Servant

01-13-2005, 11:43 AM

Gun ownership is the ultimate expression of what is essentially the fourth branch of American Gov't - The People. We keep our guns because if our gov't goes off the deep end, we will have the ability to do something about it. Think of guns in the hands of Americans as the ultimate check and balance on our country, to be used only in the direst of situations, but ready at all times.

freedumb

01-13-2005, 12:03 PM

If it's the only right you're going to have left, you might as well hang on to it.

Golgo 13

01-13-2005, 12:10 PM

I like guns for practical reasons: Hunting and self-defense. Although recreational shooting and target practice are good too.

The gun is the constitutional citizen's last line of defense. Without it, the people are doomed. The constitution is doomed.

A well-armed poulace is the best defense against tyrrany. If the government rescinds the second amendment right to keep and bear arms, then all the rest of the amendments are equally disposable as well. The first action is to get rid of second amendment rights so that you don't have the ability to defend your other rights, and then they can be expected to follow and next thing you know you're living in a Nazi Germany redux twilight zone.

http://home.earthlink.net/~darkmagneto/guncontrol.jpg

Wolfcounsel

01-13-2005, 12:33 PM

"I am wondering, why do you want to own guns?" --someon036

Are you asking us or some bad guy out there who is armed to the teeth?

freedumb

01-13-2005, 12:37 PM

Hitler didn't need gun control. League of nations took care of that after WWI.

Wolfcounsel

01-13-2005, 12:59 PM

"Hitler didn't need gun control. League of nations took care of that after WWI." --freedumb

Of course it did.:flushlib.

Kathy29

01-13-2005, 02:38 PM

It's a good question. Why do you want to own guns?

In my whole life I never owned a gun, never thought about it and never touched one. Intellectually I knew, of course, that the bad guys owned guns and would not hesitate to use them. The bad guys were just always someplace else and anyway the police were going to catch them.

Then my conceit caught up with me. A kid stuck a gun to my head and stole my car. After months of legal fighting he was sentenced. Someone, and I have no idea who but assume it was his attorney, gave the kid my home address, home phone number, work phone number and work address. This has the effect of posting same on the gang clubhouse wall.

So I got a gun, then another and another. I've got a mini collection now.

So to answer why do you have guns, I'd have to answer "because if you don't, you are controlled by someone, anyone, who does".

Peachdiane

01-13-2005, 03:17 PM

Because redheads and guns look good....

Just kidding! I love shooting. Plus American women use handguns 416 times a day in defense against rapists. I'd rather not be a victim.

freedumb

01-13-2005, 03:54 PM

So I got a gun, then another and another.

...and another and another and another, but it still wasn't enough.

Plus American women use handguns 416 times a day in defense against rapists.

That would mean American women use handguns 287 times a day against someone they know.

"31% of female victims reported that the offender was a stranger."
http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

Those are older stats though.

New ones are here at the DoJ.
More like 29% are strangers, in 2002.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvus/victim_offender_relationship754.htm

BEST45CAL

01-13-2005, 04:45 PM

Personal protection.

To harvest animals for food.

For recreation.

Investing.

Collecting.

To fully express myself as a free American citizen.

Wolfcounsel

01-13-2005, 04:53 PM

"That would mean American women use handguns 287 times a day against someone they know." --freedumb

If that someone they know is trying to rape them, I see nothing wrong with planting a bullet in their ass. What is your point?

Goku

01-13-2005, 04:58 PM

"Why do you want to own guns? "

Because they are so pretty.

freedumb

01-13-2005, 04:59 PM

What is your point?

Maybe some girls are just hanging around the wrong dudes... You know, if they have to bring a gun along on a date and all.

Wolfcounsel

01-13-2005, 05:10 PM

Faithful_Servant

01-13-2005, 05:12 PM

"Maybe some girls are just hanging around the wrong dudes..." --freedumb

I see. Well, those dumbasses who think rape is okie-dokie against someone they know need to receive at least one round in their genitals, that's for sure.
Two shots are better. Of course the second one's a little tougher because the first shot kind of gets things swinging.

Wolfcounsel

01-13-2005, 05:25 PM

"Two shots are better. Of course the second one's a little tougher because the first shot kind of gets things swinging." --Faithful_Servant

Double tap, always double tap, like your gun is a mouse.:cool:

UnkHiram

01-13-2005, 05:39 PM

I own a gun Because IT IS MY RIGHT TOO.

Flattaxxica

01-14-2005, 01:25 AM

Because they are so pretty.

:thumb:

I want one mostly because it is a way to mentally bring the FPS games I play to life. Mostly CS. Is it wrong to have a shined up desert eagle on the mantle? Well, maybe if it was loaded...

Oh, yeah, and for protection and all that.

CzechPrince

01-14-2005, 02:32 AM

Becasue it is my right. I don't own a gun personally, nor do I know if I want to, but if some other law abiding citizen wants to, what business is it of mine or the government's? If they feel their family or themselves are better protected with a gun, more power to them.

I know my mom, who is very attractive and is only 42, owns a gun because she has been followed before by some pretty shady characters, once I remember about 6 years ago when I was with her outside a pharmacy/grocery store strip mall.

Peachdiane

01-14-2005, 06:57 AM

Two shots are better. Of course the second one's a little tougher because the first shot kind of gets things swinging.

:icon133:

DoctorDoom

01-14-2005, 08:22 AM

Why do you want to own guns?Just because. That's the only justification that's necessary.

jag

01-14-2005, 08:43 AM

Maybe some girls are just hanging around the wrong dudes... You know, if they have to bring a gun along on a date and all.
Some guys, you know, don't take no for an answer.

I was at home 7 months pregnant with a two young children (3 & 4), at 7:30 pm. Two hoods cut my power and phone lines to make sure no alarms would be set off and I couldn't call for help.

After they banged on my front door and demaned to be let in, they ran around back, climbed over my 6' fenced deck and started to break down a back door.

With my gun in tow and trying not to panick my kids, we got out of the house but, when they stared after us out of MY OWN FRONT DOOR all it took was one shot to the ground to get the attention and the help we needed.

Thats why I owned and gun and still do.

Wolfcounsel

01-14-2005, 10:32 AM

"After they banged on my front door and demaned to be let in, they ran around back, climbed over my 6' fenced deck and started to break down a back door." --jag

Does anybody know if it's against the law to shout at the scumbags something like, "I'm unarmed! Please don't break in and steal all my money and gold coins and jewelry!" Then when the cretins break in, blast them to hamburger with no mercy?

Actually, this is another rhetorical question.

DoctorDoom

01-14-2005, 04:50 PM

Does anybody know if it's against the law to shout at the scumbags something like, "I'm unarmed! Please don't break in and steal all my money and gold coins and jewelry!" Then when the cretins break in, blast them to hamburger with no mercy?As long as the bastards assume ambient temperature, who cares?

Goku

01-15-2005, 01:35 PM

Wolf, make sure there are no witnesses and have a clean drop gun and your plan if fine . . . otherwise . . .

Anyway, I think the following graphic says it all:

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_doors.jpg

Source: http://www.a-human-right.com/intro.html

Goku

01-15-2005, 01:40 PM

Sorry, another of my favourites, from the same source:

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_protection.jpg

Wolfcounsel

01-15-2005, 02:56 PM

WOW! Are those 50 caliber wadcutters on that cardboard target? I love it!

someone036

01-16-2005, 04:45 AM

Just because. That's the only justification that's necessary.

Oh wow you're right! I've never thought of that before! Now I'm considering getting one myself!

MSGT

01-16-2005, 05:59 AM

So I can shoot a liberal. Is there any other reason?

freedumb

01-16-2005, 07:38 AM

MSGT,

That was yet another retarded comment.

Clean up that head of yours. It's a mess.

And switch off that damn idiot-box and clean up your house while you're at it.

MSGT

01-16-2005, 07:53 AM

Freebumb, I have purposely chosen not to reply to you in the past because it is an exercise in futility to try to share knowledge with a fool. It was a joke you unbearable little idiot.

wilson1

01-16-2005, 08:09 AM

I have always loved the way Ann puts it.:D

If the left applied the same logic to the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment they apply to the 1<SUP>st</SUP> amendment…we’d all have atomic bombs strapped to our side.----Ann Coulters

freedumb

01-16-2005, 09:30 AM

It was a joke you unbearable little idiot.

Like most things you say. The reasons are simple: you are a joke sir.
Quite likely one of those people who has to say 'just kidding' after voicing their actual opinion.

Wolfcounsel

01-16-2005, 10:51 AM

"Quite likely one of those people who has to say 'just kidding' after voicing their actual opinion." --freedumb

Kill every scumbag whining leftist. KILL! KILL!

Just kidding.:laugh:

freedumb

01-16-2005, 03:00 PM

Hey maybe you guys should just band together and round-up all the scum you don't like! Like a good old fashioned night-time coon-hunt... bit of moon-shine to get in the mood... sounds like a party.

Peachdiane

01-16-2005, 03:47 PM

Fine by me! An' I reckon yuens volunteerin ta be one of the targets? :crazy:

wilson1

01-16-2005, 04:33 PM

Hey maybe you guys should just band together and round-up all the scum you don't like! Like a good old fashioned night-time coon-hunt... bit of moon-shine to get in the mood... sounds like a party.

Hey, what's "old fashioned" about coon hunting? :D
<O:p</O:p
Btw..we don't drink and hunt, it's not a party. Contrary to what you have been told and gullible believe.<O:p</O:p

DesertFox

01-16-2005, 04:58 PM

I always told my cadets that with even a small pistol in her hand, the smallest girl in class could look Mike Tyson in the eye and tell him "NO!" and he'd accept it. Desiree Washington would not have been raped by Tyson had she held a gun in her hand when she told him to stop.

A gun is an equalizer. Most of the time you don't need it. But better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Were I running for public office, part of my platform would be that YOU HAD BETTER have a gun at home, and know how to use it, because I don't expect the cops to be there every time you have an argument with a punk, or to step in between you and your idiot neighbor who decides to kick the crap out of you. Defend yourself. I'll work for laws that DEMAND self-defense rather than make a joke of it, as has been the case over the last several years. If you don't love yourself and yours enough to fight for them, why the hell should anyone else care?

freedumb

01-16-2005, 07:36 PM

I don't expect the cops to be there every time you have an argument with a punk

Is that like a Clint Eastwood 'punk' or a Sex Pistols 'punk'?

anyhoo,

Since we all love exporting democracy (at gun point)... Should there be gun control in Iraq?

(please no "using both hands" or other bumper-sticker type responses)

uncommon1

01-17-2005, 10:06 AM

Since we all love exporting democracy (at gun point)... Should there be gun control in Iraq?

That's a good question. Camel jockeys don't seem to have the good sense that God gave a goose. They're so unstable right now, it probably wouldn't be a good idea, at least not initially. Then again, they have no heritage of responsible gun owenrship. Eventually though, they will need to be able to arm themselves to protect themselves from their enemies.

PrezLeefun

01-17-2005, 11:20 AM

Hitler didn't need gun control. League of nations took care of that after WWI.

yea after 12 million people died. that really helped

PrezLeefun

01-17-2005, 11:25 AM

Some people actually hunt for food freeDUMB. some people actually have a gun for protection. and others have guns to kill others. like any other issue gun ownership has its up and downs, but it is a constituional right and I like the idea of being able to own a tool that can help protect me.

nene

01-17-2005, 11:55 AM

I own a firearm so that I can better put to an end the individual(s) that may threaten my family. This is my obligation which I take very seriously.

someone036

01-17-2005, 12:37 PM

So I can shoot a liberal. Is there any other reason?

I actually thought most people on this board were good at arguing and usually reasonable, until you posted that.

someone036

01-17-2005, 12:40 PM

There's a thought. Liberal hunting season. no permit needed. Hmmm the more i hear that the more I like it. And i won't say just kidding. so there. nananapoopoo. stuff that liberals.

I will say to you the same thing I said to MSGT: I actually thought most people on this board were good at arguing and usually reasonable, until you posted that.

someone036

01-17-2005, 12:41 PM

To everyone: keep in mind that this is not the Flame Wars board. You're arguments must be reasonable, not senseless (I am referring to the conversations about "liberal-hunting").

MarlinsFan

01-17-2005, 12:49 PM

I don't own a gun myself, but definitely believe in the 2nd Amendment right of American citizens. If I thought I needed one for self defense purposes I would definitely not hesitate to get one. I also enjoy occasional sportfishing and also respect the right of hunters to enjoy their sport as well.

freedumb

01-17-2005, 01:02 PM

Goku

01-17-2005, 01:17 PM

You don't like "post card" arguements, eh?

Probably because they are so effective. Here, have another one.

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_clinton.jpg

Goku

01-17-2005, 01:19 PM

But let's be frank and get to the point. Self-defense is good. Hunting is nice. Hobby shooting is a good diversion. But the one and only reason the 2nd Amendment exists is to that the citizens can protect themselves from an over-reaching, tyrannical government. Surely someone taught you this somewhere in your educational experience.

freedumb

01-17-2005, 02:16 PM

They can just come with a tank.

Then what will ya?

Wolfcounsel

01-17-2005, 03:08 PM

"To everyone: keep in mind that this is not the Flame Wars board. You're arguments must be reasonable, not senseless (I am referring to the conversations about "liberal-hunting")." --someone036

What's wrong with reasonable comedy or reasonable sarcasm or reasonable satire or reasonable irony or yack yack yack...

DANG! I miss the hammer smilie.

Goku

01-17-2005, 03:13 PM

They can just come with a tank.

Then what will ya?

This is why the 2nd Amendment includes our right to own anti-tank missles, IMHO.

But to answer your question, I'd change tactics.

Freedumb, of what European country are you a subject?

Goku

01-17-2005, 03:17 PM

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_solution2.jpg

freedumb

01-17-2005, 03:20 PM

Freedumb, of what European country are you a subject?

All of them?
Maybe i'm a 4th world citizen.

Goku

01-17-2005, 04:17 PM

I just wondered if your country was from the part of Europe whose ass we kicked, or from the part whose ass we saved.

Dashy McUnderscore

01-17-2005, 04:18 PM

i wanna own a gun so i can kill al1 my stoopid neybors

Amerigo Vespucci

01-17-2005, 04:21 PM

guns are for gays and liberals

Wolfcounsel

01-17-2005, 04:38 PM

"guns are for gays and liberals" --Amerigo Vespucci

You tell 'em! Everyone should own a gun.

Faithful_Servant

01-17-2005, 05:23 PM

They can just come with a tank.

Then what will ya?

Stand there and smile as it goes nose down in a tiger trap. I'll guarantee you that a D-8 cat can stop any tank ever made. It's just a matter of getting the tank where you want it, when you want it. Tanks wouldn't be the threat, close air support would the big problem.

HomeschoolrsRUs

01-17-2005, 08:33 PM

Why do I want to own guns? Because I can, because it's my right, because I like to shoot (target shooting), because I want to be able to defend myself and family if my Bubba is not around or incapacitated, because we are a hunting family, because I am the keeper of my (late) father's gun collection, because I want to, because if my rottweiler doesn't get the bad guy, my litte Texas Ranger will!

UnkHiram

01-17-2005, 10:32 PM

Hunting? sure. Fire in the air on new year's? fine, great.

But I wonder how free is a society where people have to carry around guns for protection all the time. That is certainly not free from fear I can tell you. (knowing that every other SOB is packin' heat certainly doesn't put me at ease).

Has it ever occured to you that the problem might be with YOU not with us law abiding citizens exercising our Constitutional Rights to bear arms?

I also wonder at how free us law abiding and responsible citizens are if organized crime are free to stock-pile guns. Surely there must be some level of gun control.

I am fairly sure this will come as a surprise to you but Organized Crime is made up of Criminals. Criminals dont pay alot of attention to Gun Laws or any other laws. You want some reasonable level of gun control? Learn to hit what you aim at, that is Reasonable gun control.

freedumb

01-18-2005, 08:35 AM

Has it ever occured to you that the problem might be with YOU not with us law abiding citizens exercising our Constitutional Rights to bear arms?

What exactly do you mean? The way I dress or something?

Criminals dont pay alot of attention to Gun Laws or any other laws.

Think about it. Legal restrictions on the trafficking, owning, registration of guns will cause problems for the mob.

Better get a spell checker there... oh wait, never mind... spelling's only an issue if you disagree with party line.

DesertFox

01-18-2005, 09:06 AM

What "mob" are you talking about, freedumb? That's Fifties stuff. Half-a-century ago. You might wanna move into the 21st Century with the restuvvus.

Peachdiane

01-18-2005, 09:24 AM

because if my rottweiler doesn't get the bad guy, my litte Texas Ranger will!

:rotflmbo:

Rotties have a real bad rep around here and it's so funny. The one I had was a real softie and never growled at strangers. In fact he'd probably welcome a intruder!

Wolfcounsel

01-18-2005, 09:25 AM

"Think about it. Legal restrictions on the trafficking, owning, registration of guns will cause problems for the mob." --freedumb

You want to know what will cause greater problems for those people? Give them a 10 day period in which they have to turn in all their weapons or else they will be in big, scary trouble!

someone036

01-18-2005, 09:27 AM

I just wondered if your country was from the part of Europe whose ass we kicked, or from the part whose ass we saved.

If you didn't do anything to help "kick their asses" or "save their asses" then you shouldn't be talking.

someone036

01-18-2005, 09:31 AM

All of them?
Maybe i'm a 4th world citizen.

Wait, are you really from Europe? What country?

Wolfcounsel

01-18-2005, 09:36 AM

freedumb

01-18-2005, 09:59 AM

What "mob" are you talking about, freedumb?

http://www.fsbotoursnw.com/master/images/ovaloffice.jpg
http://www.newwartimes.com/bushcarlyle.jpg
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/41500/41853EJli_w.jpg

HomeschoolrsRUs

01-18-2005, 10:34 AM

:rotflmbo:

Rotties have a real bad rep around here and it's so funny. The one I had was a real softie and never growled at strangers. In fact he'd probably welcome a intruder!

Peach,
Actually our rotty is a sweetie too -- her name is Holly Terror (a play on Holy Terror, LOL) because she is so sweet she might kill you by way of cavities, LOL. No, I think if we were being threatened physicall she would attack, but barring that, she barks real loud, looks real scary and basically bows down to our Jack Russell. Rotty's have a bad name here in Florida too --- my Bubba even got in a fight with a girl he works with . . . she accused us of not loving our children because we have a rottweiler in the house!
'Course, I didn't mis-speak -- if my rotty DOESN'T get the bad guy, I am quite sure my li'l Texas Ranger WILL! :thumb:

uncommon1

01-18-2005, 10:44 AM

Freedumb, if we were to pass gun laws, which have already been passed by the hundreds, and if we were to enforce those gun laws, then there would be very few problems with anyone using guns. Unfortunately, the laws on the books aren't enforced and the reason why they aren't enforced is so that the anti-gun crowd can pass more, restrictive gun laws and eventually disarm us because "all of those laws just don't seem to work." We have very restrictive drug laws in this country. Do you think that people who want to use illegal drugs have any problem buying drugs? Do you think that more restrictive laws would stop people from using illegal drugs and from buying and selling them? The criminals are always going to break the law. It's the way they are. The rest of us will want to protect what we have. It's the way we are. If it means arming ourselves to protect what is ours, it will act as a great deterrent to those who would do us harm or steal our property just so that they can pay to get their latest fix.

Peachdiane

01-18-2005, 11:24 AM

my Bubba even got in a fight with a girl he works with . . . she accused us of not loving our children because we have a rottweiler in the house!

Grrrr! Ignorant people!!!!! :flame:

FL eh? dP had two FEMA trailer runs down there to Punta Gorda and then hauled a big arse horse trailer to Ocala. I was with him on the Ocala run. What an interesting place. Anyway in Punta Gorda everything was trashed EXCEPT the Hooters place got cleaned up right away which made me laugh. I say you men have your priorities in order. Bwaahahaha!!!!

(Oops sorry for hijacking the thread...) :blush:

PrezLeefun

01-18-2005, 12:45 PM

guns are for gays and liberals

what is with the gay thing? its getting pretty f*ing annoying!

Wolfcounsel

01-18-2005, 12:50 PM

"what is with the gay thing? its getting pretty f*ing annoying!" --PrezLeeFun

I like to tease the monkeys who come here. AV is gone, I believe.

someone036

01-18-2005, 12:58 PM

"If you didn't do anything to help "kick their asses" or "save their asses" then you shouldn't be talking." --someone036

It's called heritage. The good and the bad is part of our history. Unless you are a revisionist.

That's not fair. No one can choose what history they get. It could be fair if some people would only be proud of their own accomplishments.

Wolfcounsel

01-18-2005, 01:40 PM

"That's not fair. No one can choose what history they get." --someone036

Well-ll, that's, whatitis.:laugh:

uncommon1

01-18-2005, 02:58 PM

"what is with the gay thing? its getting pretty f*ing annoying!" --PrezLeeFun

I like to tease the monkeys who come here. AV is gone, I believe.

Picking on fags is like riding a moped. You probably don't want to be seen doing it, but it's still a lot of fun. Especially fags who think guns are bad.

someone036

01-19-2005, 08:34 AM

"That's not fair. No one can choose what history they get." --someone036

Well-ll, that's, whatitis.:laugh:

Did you read the next sentence? "It could be fair if some people would only be proud of their own accomplishments."

Wolfcounsel

01-19-2005, 09:07 AM

DoctorDoom

01-19-2005, 09:58 AM

Here is the only view of a Rottweiler that intruders should ever see.

<center><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/rottweiler2.jpg" />

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/rottweiler.jpg" border="1" /></center>

Timberwolf

01-19-2005, 06:07 PM

"guns are for gays and liberals" --Amerigo Vespucci

You tell 'em! Everyone should own a gun.
It WOULD be a hoot to watch some spineless, limp-wrist shoot my .40cal...wonder if the front sight would actually lodge in the frontal bone??

Why do I want to own guns? Hmmmmm...why do YOU care?

Main reason is self-defense. The most important reason is that the US will never be invaded as long as 80-100 million of us are armed to the teeth and possess local knowledge of terrain.

someone036

01-20-2005, 10:07 AM

"Did you read the next sentence? "It could be fair if some people would only be proud of their own accomplishments."" --someone036

Oh, I'm certain ALL people are proud of their own accomplishments.

Yes, but I meant only their accomplishments, and not where they're from, or anything else that they didn't choose or cause.

DesertFox

01-20-2005, 01:02 PM

Good point, someone.

Peachdiane

01-20-2005, 03:12 PM

MSGT

01-21-2005, 11:09 AM

The guy in Texas who kidnapped and killed a girl from a Texas walmart tried to rob someone during his crime spree. Guess what? That person had a gun, shot the criminal, criminal was caught after seeking medical help. Just should have finished him off for that family's sake.

BEST45CAL

01-21-2005, 04:23 PM