Tenn. Teacher Accused of Sleeping With 13-Year-Old Student

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Tenn. Teacher Accused of Sleeping With 13-Year-Old Student
Wednesday, February 09, 2005

McMINNVILLE, Tenn. — A Warren County elementary teacher has been charged with having a sexual relationship with one of her students, a 13-year-old boy.

Pamela Rogers Turner (search), 27, was charged Monday with 15 counts of sexual battery by an authority figure and 13 counts of statutory rape. All the charges involved the same boy.

Turner teaches physical education and coached girls basketball at Centertown Elementary, a Warren County school with grades kindergarten through eight in McMinnville.

District Attorney General Dale Potter said investigators believe some of the offenses happened at the school and some at the boy's home.

Turner lived at the boy's house "for a brief period of time when she was moving from residence to residence," Potter said Tuesday. The boy's parents knew she was living there but didn't know anything about a sexual relationship, Potter said.

Potter declined to comment on the nature of the relationship between Turner and her student, but he said investigators discovered multiple acts of sexual intercourse.

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[UnkHiram]

Throw her under the prison. This is rape pure and simple.

[Riverboat]

Turner lived at the boy's house "for a brief period of time when she was moving from residence to residence," Potter said Tuesday. The boy's parents knew she was living there but didn't know anything about a sexual relationship, Potter said.Don't know why, but that highlighted part sure raises a red flag for me.

[Rink]

Why the heck is there so many of these incidents?

And where's these background checks to prevent these things??

We're getting pedophiles coming from both sexes into our Public schools and I dont see a thing being done to ensure things like this be prevented or stopped.

What drives adults to do this sort of thing on children???

Something needs to be done to stop this crap, as its not isolated incidents but a growing troubling trend thats starting to get out of hand here fast.

[DesertFox]

I suspect it's always gone on and simply got swept under the rug.

Life turns out to be rather more complicated than rabid feminists want to believe.

But I still think it's a stretch to say a woman "raped" a male, regardless of their ages.

[UnkHiram]

If we Publicly Executed a few of these Pedophiles it would sure make the rest of them think twice about screwing around with their students. but then again we all know I am a right wing radical

[Wolfcounsel]

"But I still think it's a stretch to say a woman "raped" a male, regardless of their ages." --DesertFox


Not with her penis anyway.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[DesertFox]

:thumb:

[DeclinetoState]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/153336/1_21_turner_pamela_350.jpg
Pamela Rogers Turner is shown in a June 2003 file photo taken in McMinnville, Tenn.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Draw your own conclusions." --DeclinetoState


Okay. Pervert.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Rink]

next thing we'll see is this 'teacher' being put on the next Playboy centerfold list.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

In my mind, rape is nonconsensual sexual activity, period. There are a number of ways that this activity can be nonconsensual.

1. Pure force. (Usually only man on woman, but if the man were handicapped, the woman could stimulate the man's penis, and then throw herself on top of his member without him being able to put up a fight.)

2. Threat of harm if the person does not comply. (Can be done by man or woman)

3. The one that applies in this case: Sex with someone who is too young to make such an important decision (Can be done by man or woman)

4. Sex with someone who is severely mentally challenged. (Can be done by man or woman)

[Rink]

What about seduction? if the woman seduced the boy and conned him into having sex with her, would that not be construed as a type of rape???

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

What about seduction? if the woman seduced the boy and conned him into having sex with her, would that not be construed as a type of rape???

This situation was covered by No. 3 on my list, so yes, in the case of an older woman and an underage boy, it's definitely rape.

Besides those four things I listed (force, threat, underage, retardation), I don't think much else counts as true rape.

With respect to seduction itself, you are certainly correct when it comes to relations between legal-age and underage people. However, in the case of two legal-age, mentally competent people, I don't really buy it. Saying that a woman seduces another man into having sex with her against his will really gives the guy a free pass. In my mind, it's just another variation of the idea that only women can act like sluts.

[Warlady]

Has anyone seen her on TV? She looks 13. Bill Maher was on Hannity tonight and Sean asked him what he thought and he said he just wished that his teachers had done that to him when he was 13 and looked like her. Of course what do you expect from a Libertarian? I can understand his humor. She is absolutely gorgeous. But it's so morally wrong. But...It's also a cultural thing. In some countries it's not considered wrong at all. Remember the ages of Romeo and Juliet? There are some countries where 13 year olds are married. Western civilization is one of the few that doesn't accept this. One thing I believe is absolutely absurd is that they are saying she could get 100 years in prison. Do you see a male getting that sentence? Hell no. A man might get a year or two max.

[DeclinetoState]

Yeah, Warlady, but he might also get chemical castration. Of course, if he's a Democrat, he might also get to be President of the United States. But that's only if he does it but doesn't get accused or convicted of anything. I'm sure that could never happen...

[DesertFox]

No woman should get a jail sentence for "raping" a kid that age. She was his dream come true. She should lose her job. Her reputation's already ruined and her future shot. Seems to me that's enough.

Much as I despise Bill Maher, I agree with him. I had three teachers during all my years in high school and below who looked like that. I'd have thought I died and went to heaven if any of them had, er, "handled" me this way.

[Warlady]

I agree Fox. I couldn't believe my ears or my eyes.

[Riverboat]

I had three teachers during all my years in high school and below who looked like that.I had one of those when I started trigonometry. I was a model student because I paid very close attention to her, ah, lesson. It was an overcrowded classroom, and a week later, I won a lottery and got shipped to some crone along with half a dozen other lucky winners. The worst part is I had to teach myself the class because she didn't seem capable of the job.

[Wolfcounsel]

"No woman should get a jail sentence for "raping" a kid that age. She was his dream come true. She should lose her job. Her reputation's already ruined and her future shot. Seems to me that's enough." --DesertFox


So if a male teacher fondles a 13 year old girl but doesn't rape her, because she has a crush on him, that is her dream come true?

[DesertFox]

Who said anything about a male? I hope you aren't buying into the feminist myth that there's no difference between women and men, girls and boys?

[Wolfcounsel]

"Who said anything about a male? I hope you aren't buying into the feminist myth that there's no difference between women and men, girls and boys?" --DesertFox

"So if", Fox. And I am talking about sex and fondling of minors by adults, whether the minors are willing or not. Screw feminists!<!-- / message -->

[DesertFox]

You sayin' it's no different for teenage boys and girls, Wolfie? We're not talking little kids here, but a boy in puberty.

[PrezLeefun]

yeepee!!! another Mary Kay

[Wolfcounsel]

"You sayin' it's no different for teenage boys and girls, Wolfie? We're not talking little kids here, but a boy in puberty." --DesertFox

What difference does it make if the minor has reached puberty or not? If you had a daughter of 13, and she was infatuated with a male living in your house, and they just happened to be caught by you having a heavy petting session, it would not bother you, because she in puberty?

[DesertFox]

Um, Wolfie, we're talking boys, not girls. You keep switching over to girls. Girls and guys iz different critters. And puberty matters.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Um, Wolfie, we're talking boys, not girls. You keep switching over to girls. Girls and guys iz different critters. And puberty matters." --DesertFox

Okay. I see I'm getting nowhere already. Suffice it for me to say that if some female creepazoid had done the deed with one of my minor sons in puberty, I would have hung her up to dry. Anyway, why do you say she should lose her job? You agree then that she should be punished, no?

[DesertFox]

I'm saying she's been punished already by losing her job and reputation. She'll never teach again. She deserved what she got. She doesn't deserve prison.

That's what I be sayin'.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I'm saying she's been punished already by losing her job and reputation. She'll never teach again. She deserved what she got. She doesn't deserve prison.

That's what I be sayin'." --DesertFox


I will not go any further except to say that she needs to get more than a little peepee whacking. Carry on.:cool: <!-- / message -->

[PrezLeefun]

I'm saying she's been punished already by losing her job and reputation. She'll never teach again. She deserved what she got. She doesn't deserve prison.

That's what I be sayin'.

are you kidding me? the point is not puberty. that boy is a child!!! he thinks like a child. and does not have the mental tools to handle a sexual relationship, even if he has the physical tools.

[Wolfcounsel]

:munch: :dino: Popcorn! Me want popcorn!

[DesertFox]

Prez, you're a child yourself. A girl child. You don't have any perspective at all on this.

[DeclinetoState]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/153336/1_21_turner_pamela_350.jpg




Pamela Rogers Turner is shown in a June 2003 file photo taken in McMinnville, Tenn.


First, I'd put her in the army and send her to Gitmo to torture Iraqis, al-Qaeda, etc.

Then I'd send her to Bill Clinton to find out what shape his ticker and (other body parts) are in right now.

:D

[Wolfcounsel]

"Then I'd send her to Bill Clinton to find out what shape his ticker and (other body parts) are in right now." --DeclinetoState


Slick Willie's too old for her. She prefers children.

[Faithful_Servant]

Then I'd send her to Bill Clinton to find out what shape his ticker and (other body parts) are in right now.
:D
DTS, I thought that you were a supporter of the Constitution!! This is clearly cruel and unusual punishment.

[UnkHiram]

This amazes me. it's ok for a good looking female PEDOPHILE to Rape a 13 year old boy. In case you have forgotten or you are from Arkansas the age of consent is not 13, that makes it Rape. I got a question here if its a Good Looking male Teacher and an ugly 13 year old girl going thru puberty does that make it ok? How about this same Female Teacher and a 13 year old girl? Would that be ok?

Yes, Men and women are different, so are boys and girls. However, Pedophiles and rape are not! Get a grip, it was an ADULT having sex with a 13 year old child!

[DesertFox]

Get a grip yourself, dude. Boys and girls iz different. Deny it all you wish, we all know it's so. Sex for a boy at that age is his dream come true.

[Apollo5600]

Sex for a boy at that age is his dream come true.

Depends on the boy, I would of, but that is only because I was utterly immature n-e-way. However, is it a good thing? Is it good for 13 year old boys to have sex with adults? (Whether it be a male or female adult?) Are boys at that age mentally competent to make that sort of decision?
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[UnkHiram]

Desert

That dont make it right!!! Hell, when I was 13 my ideal of paradise was two girls and a dime bag of mary jane. A real Dream come true, using your logic that would be ok.

[shawnwood]

If I had a teacher that looked like that when I was 13, and she wanted to have sex with me, BAM it would have been on! But that does not make it right. The 13 year old boy is thinking with his member, but she is an adult and knows better. What is with this trend of hotty tottie teachers banging out their students anyway?

[UnkHiram]

I am curious if the Teacher was fat and ugly would it still be ok? Or is it only ok because the teacher is nice looking?

[Rink]

I think its cuz the teacher is a woman and the young lad got his first initiations into sex by banging a woman and an adult at that, i.e. according to DF the lad now has primo braging rights to what he's accomplished vis-a-vis this 'woman' giving him what most boys could only dream of.

The classic Mrs Robinson seduction of the schoolboy thing.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I think its cuz the teacher is a woman and the young lad got his first initiations into sex by banging a woman and an adult at that,..." --Rink

I see nothing cute, cool, or anything to brag about. I see a pervert adult woman getting her jollies with a boy of 13.

[Warlady]

I don't think anyone is saying it's right. I think what we're saying is she doesn't deserve 100 years in prison for it.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I think what we're saying is she doesn't deserve 100 years in prison for it." --Warlady


How about a year in prison or chemical sterilization, or both?<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[DesertFox]

Nobody's said it's "right." I haven't said that. What I've said, very plainly, is that sending this broad to jail for this is dumb. The boy hasn't suffered.

Rink, I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. I'm quite capable of saying what I want said, and have done so.

[UnkHiram]

She is a pedophile preying on 13 year old boys. Jail Time is a must, the longer the better.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I see nothing cute, cool, or anything to brag about. I see a pervert adult woman getting her jollies with a boy of 13.

Exactly!:claps:

A pervert is a pervert. Light punishment will only lead to the pervert doing it again, and next time, it will be worse. Often with perversions of this nature, it is the sickness of the act that gives the pervert his/her jollies. Once the person has reached one level of perversion, they will have to sink to lower levels of depravity, because the old level will no longer satisfy their lust.

[RayChuang]

Of course, I think we need to consider the factor in these cases: the wide availability of contraceptives, especially the birth control pill since the early 1960's and the wide availability of condoms in drugstores nowadays. Such widespread contraceptive use may have spiked up the cases of incest and sexual relationships with a minor lately, given that we avoid in most cases the "consequence" of a pregnancy.

You have to wonder if Ms. Turner is currently taking birth control pills and/or using an intra-uterine device (IUD), while the boy she seduced was using a condom.

[Human_Error]

Wow, I am a bit suprised by some of the comments here.

I know there has been much debate about the "boy" which is a victim here, but I just see some comments here as "rationalizing" his victimization as some trophy in some eyes. This is sad really, because if you have ever talked with a person that has actually experienced this thing (young male that had sex with a teacher) they will tell you as an adult how it really scarred them emotionally because it shatters the "trust" zone. Sure many will argue about puberty or because he was a male child that he wasn't so traumatized, but I tell you, a 13 year old boy is not emotionally mature when he is being "tempted" in a situation by someone that is in his "trust" zone. Can he handle it physically? Sure....BUT Can he handle it emotionally? NOT SO SURE! And I don't even want to imagine what this poor fellow will have to restle with spiritually. I just pray he gets healed on all accounts. He may have issues with women and trust the rest of his life.

As for this pedofile's "beauty" or her being sentenced, well, the facts are that the law has been broken. These laws are made to protect our children and if they are not activated for cases like these, then what good are they at all? A law is only as good as its enforced. So many will say, "A boy's dream" or "He was willing so how could it be statutory rape?" Well, its a crime to have sex with children. Bottom line! The adult didn't choose wisely here and commited a crime.

What if a pretty woman had taken this boy and murdered him? What if he had gone willingly? So what the murderer was pretty? Does it matter? Many victims of crimes are willing at first as they are lured into the web of deception. But the end results of the crime is still sadness and a deep loss. Murder is a loss of life but don't forget pedofiles steal...there is a loss of innocence from a child.

I think there will be alot of debate over these types of cases, since there are not many women pedofiles, although its as if they are crawling out from the woodwork more and more and it seems the female pedofiles target in on "one" child and wrap up their sickness with some fantasy of romance and are delusional about their actions but it doesn't change the fact that they are preying on a child. Something in a pedofile's mind doesn't stop them from acting out their desires! So that is why we have the laws we do in the USA. To protect OUR children....both male and female. The female pedo will cry insanity but is it more a disease of the flesh?

And if one of these "pretty pedos" have to be made an example of, to get the message out there, that if you are going to be a teacher or scout leader or church deacon or a baseball coach, etc, in positions that parents trust you to be an adult with their most precious treasures, then so be it because life is hard enough growing up ....our children deserve to not be manipulated in any way to have sex with any adult when its against the law of this land. Wil I cry if she gets 99 years? NO
I think taking a child's innocence from them is the worst thing an adult can do to a young person's self esteem and future well being. Children need to know that if this happens they are going to have their community's laws protecting THEM from the boogey men/women

[Wolfcounsel]

Excellent post, Human_Error.:claps:

[Rink]

Nobody's said it's "right." I haven't said that. What I've said, very plainly, is that sending this broad to jail for this is dumb. The boy hasn't suffered.

Rink, I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. I'm quite capable of saying what I want said, and have done so.

I did not put words in your mouth I only gave an idea of what you were insinuating vis-a-vis your remarks.

[Rink]

Wow, I am a bit suprised by some of the comments here.

I know there has been much debate about the "boy" which is a victim here, but I just see some comments here as "rationalizing" his victimization as some trophy in some eyes. This is sad really, because if you have ever talked with a person that has actually experienced this thing (young male that had sex with a teacher) they will tell you as an adult how it really scarred them emotionally because it shatters the "trust" zone. Sure many will argue about puberty or because he was a male child that he wasn't so traumatized, but I tell you, a 13 year old boy is not emotionally mature when he is being "tempted" in a situation by someone that is in his "trust" zone. Can he handle it physically? Sure....BUT Can he handle it emotionally? NOT SO SURE! And I don't even want to imagine what this poor fellow will have to restle with spiritually. I just pray he gets healed on all accounts. He may have issues with women and trust the rest of his life.

As for this pedofile's "beauty" or her being sentenced, well, the facts are that the law has been broken. These laws are made to protect our children and if they are not activated for cases like these, then what good are they at all? A law is only as good as its enforced. So many will say, "A boy's dream" or "He was willing so how could it be statutory rape?" Well, its a crime to have sex with children. Bottom line! The adult didn't choose wisely here and commited a crime.

What if a pretty woman had taken this boy and murdered him? What if he had gone willingly? So what the murderer was pretty? Does it matter? Many victims of crimes are willing at first as they are lured into the web of deception. But the end results of the crime is still sadness and a deep loss. Murder is a loss of life but don't forget pedofiles steal...there is a loss of innocence from a child.

I think there will be alot of debate over these types of cases, since there are not many women pedofiles, although its as if they are crawling out from the woodwork more and more and it seems the female pedofiles target in on "one" child and wrap up their sickness with some fantasy of romance and are delusional about their actions but it doesn't change the fact that they are preying on a child. Something in a pedofile's mind doesn't stop them from acting out their desires! So that is why we have the laws we do in the USA. To protect OUR children....both male and female. The female pedo will cry insanity but is it more a disease of the flesh?

And if one of these "pretty pedos" have to be made an example of, to get the message out there, that if you are going to be a teacher or scout leader or church deacon or a baseball coach, etc, in positions that parents trust you to be an adult with their most precious treasures, then so be it because life is hard enough growing up ....our children deserve to not be manipulated in any way to have sex with any adult when its against the law of this land. Wil I cry if she gets 99 years? NO
I think taking a child's innocence from them is the worst thing an adult can do to a young person's self esteem and future well being. Children need to know that if this happens they are going to have their community's laws protecting THEM from the boogey men/women

Very well stated !!! :thumb:

[Peachdiane]

I remember on an episode of Law and Order where the school principal cornered a boy and humped him. It was blamed on a brain tumor. They removed it and surprise! She still exhibited the behaviors. Everyone just about giggled it off saying she was trim and good looking so it was ok.

I disagree!!!!!!!! The boy in the story is still a growing, developing boy. Just because the woman is good looking or cute doesn't make it right. She is a PEDOPHILE. My boy is 9 right now but if anyone hurts him sexually, male or female, good looking or not, I hope they like the taste of shotguns!

[whipple]

This is one of those situations where on the one hand you have people being all moral and indignant about it while the boy and his class mates are probably giving each other high fives and saying 'nice one dude'.

Personally I agree with Desertfox on this one. I would have been in heaven if this had happened to me. God knows how horny 13 year old boys are.

She's going to suffer for this for the rest of her life career wise. I think thats enough.

[Riverboat]

My boy is 9 right now but if anyone hurts him sexually, male or female, good looking or not, I hope they like the taste of shotguns! "Hey, baby, wanna lick my barrel?"




*CLICK!*

[Wolfcounsel]

"This is one of those situations where on the one hand you have people being all moral and indignant about it while the boy and his class mates are probably giving each other high fives and saying 'nice one dude'." --whipple

Who is being moral and indignant about the situation? If you are the father of the 13 year old boy, and he just happened to have gotten the woman pregnant, what do you wish to do about the baby's welfare?

[whipple]

Ah well you see, since I'm not apposed to abortion that's not really an issue. Plus I'd have taught my lad to put a raincoat on his nob

[Wolfcounsel]

"Ah well you see, since I'm not apposed to abortion that's not really an issue. Plus I'd have taught my lad to put a raincoat on his nob" --whipple

Convenience rears its head then. Murder the baby and tell your son to keep receiving high fives and all that.<!-- / message -->

[whipple]

Will do, being as it's a hypothetical situation anyway.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Will do, being as it's a hypothetical situation anyway." --whipple


Hypothetically, it's okay to murder babies?

[whipple]

This is a debate for another thread, but no it's not okay to murder babies. However I don't consider an unborn foetus to be a baby so it doesn't pose a moral issue for me.

[Wolfcounsel]

"This is a debate for another thread, but no it's not okay to murder babies. However I don't consider an unborn foetus to be a baby so it doesn't pose a moral issue for me." --whipple

The consequences of a sex act between a pubertal boy and a woman do not necessarily belong on another thread. My question was simple. But say the boy and woman do not want to murder the baby (I'm ignoring the part about you claiming an unborn fetus is not a baby). What do you as the father propose to do about the situation?<!-- / message -->

[whipple]

well in that case, I would have to take responsibility for the childs welfare.

[Wolfcounsel]

"well in that case, I would have to take responsibility for the childs welfare." --whipple


We have those types of parents here also. They will continue to wipe their children's butts and dig them out of whatever mischief the little imbeciles intentionally get themselves into.

[whipple]

okaaaaay...so pray tell what you would do? Remember now that by your reasoning she wouldn't be able to take responsibility because she'll be in prison.

[Wolfcounsel]

"okaaaaay...so pray tell what you would do? Remember now that by your reasoning she wouldn't be able to take responsibility because she'll be in prison." --whipple


Since the boy is an infant by law, the woman, imprisoned or not, is responsible for her pregnancy. If she decides to murder the baby, she does it under the full protection of the law, without the boy having any say in the matter.

[whipple]

So you wouldn't care that the baby is part of your family?
I find it curious that you are offended by the thought of abortion but you couldn't care less what happens to the baby anyway.

[Wolfcounsel]

"So you wouldn't care that the baby is part of your family?
I find it curious that you are offended by the thought of abortion but you couldn't care less what happens to the baby anyway." --whipple

I like being a grandfather under traditional conditions. If I had, say, 20 children, and they screwed like rabbits, what kind of family set up would you call that? Also, parents are going to do to their children whatever they want. May God have mercy on anybody I catch harming a child. I won't.

[whipple]

Yes but we were talking about a hypothetical situation and your answer isn't really clarifying anything

[Riverboat]

Seems clear as a bell to me. The bottom line is taking responsibility. The boy is a boy. He was seduced by an adult with her head screwed on backwards. Neither one is going to raise that child, assuming she's pregnant. That leaves us with the option of adoption or state-sanctioned murder.

[whipple]

Neither one is going to raise that child, assuming she's pregnant. That leaves us with the option of adoption
Hmmm, make it somebody elses problem. Fantastic. Way to take responsibility for your own childs actions!

[Riverboat]

Problem? What problem? It's a solution! There are hundreds of parents who are waiting in line to adopt children.

[whipple]

(sarcasm)Yes and adoption certainly covers all unwanted children.(sarcasm)

[DesertFox]

There's a lot of talk on this thread about the woman being "pretty" and getting off easy because of it, or perhaps being excused because of it. Unk and Rink between them introduced that idea. No one has defended the woman in any way, folks. I haven't. Whipple hasn't. Warlady hasn't. Some of youse are imagining all sorts of things, imputing comments to me (as you certainly did, Rink) that I never said, and setting up straw men to demolish, as that she is "pretty" and therefore might get away with murder.

This thread ain't about murder, it's about child molestation. It ain't about being pretty, it's about child molestation. It ain't about babies, it's about child molestation. It ain't about adoption, it's about child molestation.

All those other things are certainly worth discussing, and discussing in this context, but they're leading far away from what anyone has said. It's worthwhile sticking to the facts of the case and what has actually been said, rather than speculating all over the map about if-this-then-that. While that's normally a legitimate thing to do, it has stretched this particular case far beyond what it actually is.

[whipple]

And the fox reels us in :)

[Riverboat]

(sarcasm)Yes and adoption certainly covers all unwanted children.(sarcasm)Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your post?

Here's a smiley for future reference. I suspect you'll be using it a lot. I know I certainly will. :rolleyes:

[whipple]

Thanks, I tend to use the quick reply thing so I can't see the smiley options

[Rink]

uhhh DF I wasnt even insinuating that because the woman was 'pretty' she could get away with doin what she did.

[UnkHiram]

Much as I despise Bill Maher, I agree with him. I had three teachers during all my years in high school and below who looked like that. I'd have thought I died and went to heaven if any of them had, er, "handled" me this way.

This is where you implied it was ok because she was pretty. After this post is when I started asking about that subject. I added the emphasis to the words in the quote.

[Peachdiane]

These female teachers/women who commit sex crimes against children are really coming out of the woodwork, finally. I'm really glad because it's always happened, we're just hearing about it more. I think when it comes to molestation, child enforcement (and most of us parents) see them as criminals who have committed statutory rape against a minor, period. No matter whether they're young and pretty.

Someone needs to tell the lady it is "No Child Left Behind" NOT "No Child's Behind Left...."

[True American]

Hey!

This is nothing new. Even I had the hots for some teachers when I was about 15. Things even came close with one for a while there. But, I'm a guy. Boys are more the instigator than the victim. Believe me!

What I don't understand though is, WHY?
Why instigate something with a teacher and then expose it? It's not like there's a teacher anywhere in the US you could sue for a million bucks. LOL

[Wolfcounsel]

"Why instigate something with a teacher and then expose it? It's not like there's a teacher anywhere in the US you could sue for a million bucks. LOL" --True American

I don't think suing for millions is the purpose. I believe the objective is to boot the adult pervert's ass into prison for a while. Maybe she will mature enough to consider getting her jollies with an adult next time.

Besides, any adult who gets targeted by a precocious snot nose should have the guts to hang the little clown out to dry.

[Peachdiane]

Things even came close with one for a while there. But, I'm a guy. Boys are more the instigator than the victim. Believe me!

I don't care of the boys are the instigators or not. He's 13. She's an adult and knows better. It's just....sick. A friend of mine pointed out her husband was 11 years younger than her. I asked if she got his jollies when he was 13? Um...no of course not! He was 18! That's fine with me.

[MSGT]

Didn't have the heart to read all that. So I'll give my 3.5 cents here.

It is wrong WRONG WRONG WRONG. BUT, if that were me at 13 I would go after anyone that called the cops on her.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

What I don't understand though is, WHY?
Why instigate something with a teacher and then expose it?

:question: Where does it say that the boy is the one who exposed the affair?

[DesertFox]

Unk said:
Much as I despise Bill Maher, I agree with him. I had three teachers during all my years in high school and below who looked like that. I'd have thought I died and went to heaven if any of them had, er, "handled" me this way.

This is where you implied it was ok because she was pretty. After this post is when I started asking about that subject. I added the emphasis to the words in the quote.

Unk: I was unaware that that might be read that way, or even could be read that way. Nowhere did I say I approved of what this woman did. I clearly said that when I was in school, I too fell in love with gorgeous, sexy teachers. That doesn't mean that today, at 56, I think it was okay that this idiot woman did what she did. I don't.

At the same time, knowing what I know about boys that age, I don't think he was done any harm. As noted, the broad has lost her reputation, probably her family and certainly her career. IMO that's enough. But I expect she'll go to jail and I have no problem with that, either. She clearly doesn't belong around kids.

[Wolfcounsel]

"It is wrong WRONG WRONG WRONG. BUT, if that were me at 13 I would go after anyone that called the cops on her." -MSGT


What would you do if it were your mother who called the police on the pervert?<!-- / message -->

[MSGT]

What would you do if it were your mother who called the police on the pervert?<!-- / message -->
Nobody comes before MOM. I would deal with it.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Nobody comes before MOM. I would deal with it." --MSGT

Good.<!-- / message -->

[3livzin8]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but thinking back to when I was a gangly, geeky, nerd boy of 13, if a teacher like her came on to me, I would be in Heaven. At least until my parents found out..... :)

[True American]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but thinking back to when I was a gangly, geeky, nerd boy of 13, if a teacher like her came on to me, I would be in Heaven. At least until my parents found out..... :)

I totally agree.
I'm certainly not condoning the fact that it is the ADULT who needs to keep control. I'm simply saying that young boys surely love their conquests.
I'm not proud of many things I did as a child. I didn't know any better. All I wanted to do was see how it felt to have sex. Luckily, my hot teachers were smarter than these recent bimbos.

Being in my late 40's now, I know the difference. What I can't figure out though is: Why do these boys turn the teacher in?
They obviously tempted the teacher in some way. Shockingly, some teachers are tempted to the point of action. THAT'S what scares me.

Should the teacher be prosecuted? Absolutely!
But what about the teenage boy? Surely he's got fault in this as well.
After all, It does take two!

[Wolfcounsel]

"Should the teacher be prosecuted? Absolutely!
But what about the teenage boy? Surely he's got fault in this as well.
After all, It does take two!" --True American

If that were my son, he would have gotten well-reared by his mother, and then I would have gotten the leftovers. He would have been grounded for a year, with extra work, no allowance. He would also have to write a 5000 word essay on the best way to bring up a baby fathered by a 13 year old macho man, and it would have to meet with my approval, or back to the writing board. That's for starters, and I would think of some more punishment later on.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[True American]

"Should the teacher be prosecuted? Absolutely!
But what about the teenage boy? Surely he's got fault in this as well.
After all, It does take two!" --True American

If that were my son, he would have gotten well-reared by his mother, and then I would have gotten the leftovers. He would have been grounded for a year, with extra work, no allowance. He would also have to write a 5000 word essay on the best way to bring up a baby fathered by a 13 year old macho man, and it would have to meet with my approval, or back to the writing board. That's for starters, and I would think of some more punishment later on.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Good Answer! LOL

[PrezLeefun]

R we joking about the Mary Kay wannabe?

[Wolfcounsel]

Can you clue me in about this Mary Kay thing, Prez?

[DesertFox]

It's a girl thing, Wolf, you wouldn't understand.

[Wolfcounsel]

Oh, Mary Kay le Tourneau, eh?

[PrezLeefun]

yep that crazy bitch

[PrezLeefun]

Now I have had my share of crushes on teachers, but if a teacher were to ever make an advance toward me I would have to wonder about that.

[S-T]

No woman should get a jail sentence for "raping" a kid that age. She was his dream come true. She should lose her job. Her reputation's already ruined and her future shot. Seems to me that's enough. And that's why child abuse by women is not taken seriously. If a teenage girl has sex with a grown man, it is statutory rape no matter how "consentual" ("consent" to intercourse with a grown man, of course, cannot be given by a 15-year-old) it was. If a teenage boy has sex with a grown woman, he's a "stud", when he is actually messed up for life.