Kyoto treaty based on outdated science, Commons committee told

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Kyoto treaty based on outdated science, Commons committee told

Dennis Bueckert
Canadian Press

February 10, 2005

OTTAWA (CP) -- Scientists who oppose the prevailing views on climate change have been shut out of debate on the Kyoto protocol, the Commons environment committee was told Thursday.

The result is that Canada may be wasting billions of dollars trying to curb emissions of carbon dioxide which is not a pollutant, said Charles Simpson, president of a Calgary-based group called Friends of Science.

"The Canadian government has refused to listen to our government's leading experts in the field,'' said Simpson, a retired oil industry employee.

He was accompanied Carleton University geologist Tim Patterson, one of a handful of scientists across Canada who have become known as outspoken critics of the Kyoto protocol.

"It is the first time to my knowledge that an independent climate scientist has addressed a committee such as this,'' Simpson said before introducing Patterson, whose specialty is paleoclimatology, the study of past climate.

Patterson said rising temperatures in the past century are due to natural changes in the energy of the sun, not to pollution.

He mocked the view that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. "It's plant food, it's a natural part of the atmosphere.''

Much of the science accepted when the Kyoto treaty was negotiated in 1997 has since been disproved, he added.

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Environment Canada scientist Henry Hengeveld said Patterson is commenting on matters outside his field.

"If he were to argue with other paleoclimatologists I would say fine, and he may be a leading scientist in that field, but he's talking about the whole gamut, climate modelling and everything else.

"That's like a dermatologist commenting on the diagnosis of a neurologist. I think this is an example of someone outside his field of expertise, not having read all the literature out there ... and really being out of his depth.''

Hengeveld said climate science is a complex area with thousands of papers being produced, and it is easy to "cherry-pick'' the papers that support a particular view.

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Stephen Guilbeault of Greenpeace said the Kyoto protocol was based on an assessment of the latest research by approximately 1,000 leading experts from around the world, and that assessment is continually updated.

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So a Environment Canada scientist Henry Hengeveld makes a disparaging comment on someone who is not in the field of climate research.Somehow that is not a convincing argument to make,to disprove such a person's claim that Kyoto is bad,something Henry should know if he was really a good scientist.It is after all the efficacy of the argument that counts,NOT the persons credentials.Now it is here worth mentioning the excitement of the "Hockey stick" conclusions that were made by CLIMATE researchers,that were later REFUTED by NON researchers of Climates.Thier expertise was in the Math.So this is but one example why we should not so quickly discount NON scientists position on this subject.

Meanwhile Kyoto Protocol was long ago shown to be worthless in its claims,so really these people such as Henry and Stephen are way out of date or just plain foolish,or both.There has been admissions by even the strong proponents of the idea that CO2 is the main cause of Global Warming,that the Kyoto Protocol is no good.I knew that it was no good about 3 years ago,just from reading up on the subject.

It is people like Henry and Stephen that makes me wonder about their motives on the Global Warming issue,the lies and distortions are now well known,that it is sad many Climatologists continue to promote them.

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Greens Concede Kyoto Will Not Impact 'Global Warming'
Marc Morano
Senior Staff Writer
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Buenos Aires, Argentina (CNSNews.com) - After a relentless attack on the United States for opposing the Kyoto Protocol, environmental groups concede the international treaty will have no impact on what they believe to be impending catastrophic global warming.

Despite the fact that green groups at the U.N. climate summit in Buenos Aires called President George Bush "immoral" and "illegitimate" for not supporting the Kyoto Protocol, the groups themselves concede the Protocol will only have "symbolic" effect on climate because they believe it is too weak. Kyoto is an international treaty that seeks to limit greenhouse gases of the developed countries by 2012.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1301826.html

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This is just one example of some ENVIRONMENTALISTS,who already know it is way overblown.