I don't get the 24 hour Pope "news"

[SmellyFed]

I'm so incredibly tired of the 24 hour coverage of the Pope's health. I'm sorry the old man is sick but this is just way over the top.

I really don't mean to be condescending or insensitive, but can we move on to some real news? After all, he is 83... deteriorating health isn't exactly unexpected or even newsworthy.

[UnkHiram]

Smelly

The Pope is the leader of (rough Guess) 35% of the Worlds Christians, Even though you are not intrested in hourly health updates many folks are. That is why they put channel selectors on your TV. If you dont like the coverage change the channel.

[SmellyFed]

Name a news channel that doesn't have that guys health update on every 10 minutes. Clicker or not, you cant get away from it.

It's ridiculous.

[UnkHiram]

Smelly

Try Turning OFF the TV, that way you dont have to hear about something that at least a third of the world cares deeply about.

[SmellyFed]

We've now gone from 35% of the Worlds Christians to 1/3 of the entire world who care deeply about the Pope's condition?

Your numbers are escalating out of control in much the same manner as your sensibilities.

[UnkHiram]

Smelly

If you reread the Posts you will find that I said "ROUGH GUESS" on the number of Chatholics. I increased the estimate on how many people are concerned about his health because there are people who are NOT Chatholic that are concerned about his condition.

Should I assume I am not being sensible because I suggested you turn off your TV or is it because I recognized your whining for what it is?

[SmellyFed]

Whining?

I guess I was wrong that this was a site where opinion was welcomed. I've apparently committed the unpardonable sin of not being Catholic... which gets me a direct ticket to hell as well as a tongue-lashing from which I'll probably never recover.

I hope your Pope gets better. Happy trails to all of you.

[UnkHiram]

Smelly

You dont handle critism too well do you? First I am Southern Baptist Not Chatholic. Second you were whining about the constant coverage, just change the friggin channel. Third Since I DONT own or moderate this site and I am only one of over 1500 members dont you think you might be over reacting just a tad?

[Wolfcounsel]

"I guess I was wrong that this was a site where opinion was welcomed. I've apparently committed the unpardonable sin of not being Catholic... which gets me a direct ticket to hell as well as a tongue-lashing from which I'll probably never recover." --SmellyFed


I think we need a Whine Hell forum here.:laugh:

I'm sorry. Make that The Whine Cellar.:whine:

[UnkHiram]

Wolf

If you build a "Whine Cellar" we will have to import French Cheese.

[Wolfcounsel]

ACK! No! Make a separate cellar for that, called Surrender Monkeys, where anti-war people and other whiners can post their blather.

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/smilies2/piss2.gif:surrender

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I've apparently committed the unpardonable sin of not being Catholic... .

Oh, come on, lots of us aren't catholic.

[SmellyFed]

UnkHiram wants to be an apologist for the pathetic level of news coverage of that evil little man and calls my complaints whining.

Fine, call me a whiner. I'd just like to be able to watch the news without having my senses constantly assaulted with this hyper-sensitivity to the little twerp in the pointed hat.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Fine, call me a whiner. I'd just like to be able to watch the news without having my senses constantly assaulted with this hyper-sensitivity to the little twerp in the pointed hat." --SmellyFed


I like to make popcorn without the lid, and WHAM! My hyper-sensitivity is gone in no time.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[UnkHiram]

UnkHiram wants to be an apologist for the pathetic level of news coverage



You might wanna slow down that little Train of Delusion you are on. I never once apolgised for the news coverage, I pointed out to you that some folks do care and want to know about his condition.


of that evil little man



Now I see what your agenda is, Your are another one of those folks that feel the need to bash the Chatholics. I wont bother to ask you the reason because I doubt you have a rational one, just a hatfull of religious bigotry.


and calls my complaints whining.

Fine, call me a whiner.



Okey DOkey, You are a whiner.



I'd just like to be able to watch the news without having my senses constantly assaulted with this hyper-sensitivity to the little twerp in the pointed hat.

It must be a terrible burden on you to have the intrests of other people intrude on your world. Dont worry you can go down to your basement and sit in front the ham radio and listen to other Chatholic Bashers complain about the lack of news coverage of whatever "MAJOR" story that is being ignored to cover the Health Crisis of the Pope.

[Beowulf]

I kinda agree with Fed. The news coverage is rather deep. I'm Catholic and I'm saying that. I'm sorry he's sick and I do pray for his recovery but I'd rather here some real news on him, not the play-by-play.

Now here's another thought. The Liberal, anti-religion media has been all over this RELIGIOUS story. Any theories on this?

[mabzie]

Smelly

The Pope is the leader of (rough Guess) 35% of the Worlds Christians,


45%*

[PrezLeefun]

I'm not a pope fan but I'll pray for him. but the coveraage of his condition is wearing thin. Other people in the world are suffering too.

[SmellyFed]

Reglious bigotry - Lordy you're an innane little twerp. The Catholics are the religious bigots... anyone outside their church goes to hell.

Don't insult my intelligence unless you have the microcurrent upstairs to back it up, knob-gobbler.

[UnkHiram]

Reglious bigotry - Lordy you're an innane little twerp. The Catholics are the religious bigots... anyone outside their church goes to hell.


I suppose your religion preaches that everyone goes to heaven whether they believe or not? ALL religions teach that you will go to hell unless you follow their teachings.


Don't insult my intelligence


Dont think that is possible, judging by this string you are good at insulting and religous bigotry but very little else. Oh I almost forgot you whine as good as a Frenchman. Perhaps that is the reason for your name, you are trying to be French.


unless you have the microcurrent upstairs to back it up, knob-gobbler.

If you are determined to you prove you are an idiot, why in the Lord's name should I stop you? So Far I have seen better and more salient posts made by 14 year olds.

Wake up and smell (if you can) the coffee, your problem is not with the coverage of the Pope's Illness but with the Chatholic Church.

[SmellyFed]

Lets be clear - I don't have much use for the Pope because I'm not a Catholic. I think he and his church mislead millions - rather purposely. So that makes him a bad man in my humble opinion.

But I didn't start this thread as a way of espousing my beliefs on that point. You have called me a liar on that point and I'm calling you an unbelievable pile of stinking filth.

My issue singular issue is, I'm tired of seeing the constant news coverage. You have blown this out of proportion, not me.

Kindly step off and find a new user to badger... I'm tired of having you sniffing around my backside. I'm likely to fill my drawers out of spite.

[UnkHiram]

Lets be clear - I don't have much use for the Pope because I'm not a Catholic. I think he and his church mislead millions - rather purposely. So that makes him a bad man in my humble opinion.

Not Much Use?



pathetic level of news coverage of that evil little man

The Catholics are the religious bigots

I'd just like to be able to watch the news without having my senses constantly assaulted with this hyper-sensitivity to the little twerp in the pointed hat.



I added the emphasis to comments YOU made during this string.


You have called me a liar on that point and I'm calling you an unbelievable pile of stinking filth.


No, I called you a BIGOT.


My issue singular issue is, I'm tired of seeing the constant news coverage.


If you look carefully at your remote control you will find a button that says either "Power" or "on/off" I suggest you use it. That way you dont have to be subjected to this constant coverage.


Kindly step off and find a new user to badger... I'm tired of having you sniffing around my backside. I'm likely to fill my drawers out of spite.


I will respond to any thread I take an intrest in, Sorry I dont need the permission of a bigot to do that. As for filling your drawers dont you mean out of habit not spite.

[SmellyFed]

The only thing you're missing in your last missive is the repeated line...

Citizens Arrest!
Citizens Arrest!

We can all rest easy that Barney Fife and his two bullets are on the case.

http://www.dooleystreasurechest.com/signs/sign_barney_fife_master_of_the_bighouse_34_1170.jp g

UnkHiram may talk like an idiot and act like an idiot but dont let that fool you - he really is an idiot.

[Warlady]

Smellyfed what is your problem? I'm not Catholic and I care deeply about what happens to this Pope because he is a good man and a great leader. If you don't want to hear about the Pope's condition then change the channel. When you watch the cable news channels you will get repeats every 15 minutes to every 30 minutes. I'm surprised that you would pick on the Pope. We also get updates on Iraq, Syria, Palestine/Israel, missing persons, the BTK murderer etc etc etc. Did you perhaps get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

[Warlady]

Smellyfed it looks to me like YOU are the religious bigot. Why do you hate the Pope? What has he ever done to you? Besides interrupt your news channel.

[SmellyFed]

Like I've said repeatedly - my issue is im simply tired of hearing about it constantly. Others I know have said the same. Even some in this thread.

So that's my problem. My question is what is your problem? Why cant people see this for what it is - a remark that they are spending way too much time on this, on television, in the newspaper, in magazines and on the radio.

I'm tired of hearing about it and wanted to see if others were feeling the item had reached over-saturation. But since that viewpoint is not welcomed here then I'll just shut the hell up about it.

[SmellyFed]

Smellyfed it looks to me like YOU are the religious bigot. Why do you hate the Pope? What has he ever done to you? Besides interrupt your news channel.

This is crap and it's offensive.

[UnkHiram]

Like I've said repeatedly - my issue is im simply tired of hearing about it constantly. Others I know have said the same. Even some in this thread.


I Noticed once more you didnt bother to answer anything said, just once more threw out your idiocy.


I'm tired of hearing about it and wanted to see if others were feeling the item had reached over-saturation. But since that viewpoint is not welcomed here then I'll just shut the hell up about it.

Hey MORON, TURN THE CHANNEL or TURN OFF THE TV. Read a Book, If you can read.

[mabzie]

Reglious bigotry - Lordy you're an innane little twerp. The Catholics are the religious bigots... anyone outside their church goes to hell.

Don't insult my intelligence unless you have the microcurrent upstairs to back it up, knob-gobbler.

I think Dick Cheney put it best when he said:

GO **** YOURSELF!!

[Warlady]

Smellyfed, I understand where you're coming from regarding the cable news oversaturation of news stories but they have addressed that. BECAUSE they are 24 hour cable news networks they weren't meant to be watched 24/7. If you do then you will be oversaturated by any one story. I've had the same complaint as you about over kill on a particular news story. Especially the one regarding Trent Lott. There are some stories that need oversaturation in my view and some that don't deserve one second of coverage. The Pope however, is a world wide figure and he is going to get the kind of coverage equal to his stature. Like someone else said, turn off the TV or change the channel. That's what I do. And if I insulted you I apologize but it's just the way you came off that gave the impression that I got as apparently did many others. Know what I mean?

[DesertFox]

I watch so little tv that I was blissfully unaware of the poly-saturation coverage of the Pope.

[PrezLeefun]

smelly fred maybe you should just stop like now. I dont like the pope that much either but there is no cause to bitch and complain. He is not that bad.

[DesertFox]

Liberals are intensely interested in the pope dying sooner rather than later. All the coverage is for their lurid benefit.

[Warlady]

Prez would you mind proof reading your post? I can't make it out.

[SmellyFed]

I've brought up a sacred cow here and I'll drop it.

[Riverboat]

I'd just like to be able to watch the news without having my senses constantly assaulted with this hyper-sensitivity to the little twerp in the pointed hat.Pointed hat? At least he's not wearing a dunce's cap.

You may have hung up the thread on your last post, but I haven't. Who stood with Lech Walesa and Solidarnost during the darkest hours of Communist oppression? None other than our beloved former Polish primate.

[SmellyFed]

Suck it. Suck it. Suck it on down. Do a Mexican hat dance on it and suck it.

[CzechPrince]

I'm so incredibly tired of the 24 hour coverage of the Pope's health. I'm sorry the old man is sick but this is just way over the top.

I really don't mean to be condescending or insensitive, but can we move on to some real news? After all, he is 83... deteriorating health isn't exactly unexpected or even newsworthy.

Becasue he is the leader of the single largest religion in the world. The Catholic Church has over 1 billion adherents. I apologize that my church is a majority and yours is a puny minority.
http://adherents.com/adh_rb.html

It is also the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. as well....
http://adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

So in your words, "Suck it, suck it, suck it." :buttkiss:

[CzechPrince]

Whining?

I guess I was wrong that this was a site where opinion was welcomed. I've apparently committed the unpardonable sin of not being Catholic... which gets me a direct ticket to hell as well as a tongue-lashing from which I'll probably never recover.

How ignorant. The Catholic Church does not teach non-Catholic Christians are going to hell. Try some real research, this is not the medieval times.

I hope your Pope gets better. Happy trails to all of you.

I hope you actually educate yourself better on other issues as opposed to this one.

[CzechPrince]

If you look carefully at your remote control you will find a button that says either "Power" or "on/off" I suggest you use it. That way you dont have to be subjected to this constant coverage.

:claps: HAHA!:devilange

[SmellyFed]

Becasue he is the leader of the single largest religion in the world. The Catholic Church has over 1 billion adherents. I apologize that my church is a majority and yours is a puny minority.
http://adherents.com/adh_rb.html

It is also the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. as well....
http://adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

So in your words, "Suck it, suck it, suck it." :buttkiss:

Yes yes... might always makes right with the Catholic church. They've shown that predisposition for centuries.

[CzechPrince]

What's the problem? Can't refute or take the facts? I already proved you wrong, care to take another stab at it? I was speaking to a Protestant minister who thought the King James bible was the first bible created in the 1600's who had more intelligence than you.

[SmellyFed]

:claps: HAHA!:devilange

This is foolishness and you're a willing participant.

I don't watch television 24/7 as many in this thread have suggested. I barely watch it at all which is my point - everytime I've turned the television on, it's been wall to wall coverage of the Pope's failing health. Turn the channel and there's more... it's overkill. I've no doubt even your Pope himself would think this story is over-saturated.

And to those that suggest I can not read and that I'm a low-IQ moron. I assure you, I'm very well read, am credentialed, am published and am quite capable of carrying on daily activities without assistance of hospital staff or a dribble-proof bib.

That several of you are suggesting I have no life while your postbit indicates you've several thousand posts on this forum, I find more then a bit laughable.

This same subject, posted on other forums has elicited intelligent discussion rather then the reactionary foolishness with which many of you have replied.

[SmellyFed]

What's the problem? Can't refute or take the facts? I already proved you wrong, care to take another stab at it? I was speaking to a Protestant minister who thought the King James bible was the first bible created in the 1600's who had more intelligence than you.

You've proved nothing.

I've had quite enough of people insulting my intelligence - if you want an intelligent discourse I will oblige. But if you insist on this tact I'll gladly leave this forum and leave you koolaid-drinkers to gnash your teeth.

[whipple]

There's a Pope? Well I'll be damned...rotfl!!!

:D

[Beowulf]

Hey Fed. I've sat on the sidelines of this debate and just read through things. I'm not here to insult you intelligence but why such a beef with the Catholic church? Not all of us Catholics think we're right and almighty. I get the impression you think that we all think we are perfect and the like.

I don't force my religious views on anyone nor do I care who practices what. I don't believe the Pope to be totally right in everything and I don't attend church every Sunday. To speak with me you would be stunned to learn I'm a Catholic. I curse like the old soldier I am and don't care what others think about it. The Church frowns on birth control. I think it's a Godsend. I could go on.

Don't judge us all, Fed.

[SmellyFed]

Hey Fed. I've sat on the sidelines of this debate and just read through things. I'm not here to insult you intelligence but why such a beef with the Catholic church? Not all of us Catholics think we're right and almighty. I get the impression you think that we all think we are perfect and the like.

I don't force my religious views on anyone nor do I care who practices what. I don't believe the Pope to be totally right in everything and I don't attend church every Sunday. To speak with me you would be stunned to learn I'm a Catholic. I curse like the old soldier I am and don't care what others think about it. The Church frowns on birth control. I think it's a Godsend. I could go on.

Don't judge us all, Fed.

Actually I wouldnt be surprised you're a Catholic. The Catholics I know curse like old soldiers, drink like fish, womenize at trade shows (away from home) and don't have the first idea as to where to go in their Bibles to prove to themselves or to anyone else that they are going to heaven. But they do all manage to get forgiven on Saturday.

Meanwhile since I'm not a Catholic, I'm told I don't have any spirtitual maturity next to these paragons of virtue - who don't know Genesis from Matthew. I'm told my faith "outside of the true church" is an obstacle to salvation.

I'm not judging anyone - I said the Pope was evil to get a rise out of UnkHiram because he obviously wasnt listening to a damned thing I said otherwise. I just think there's too much coverage of the Pope.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I've had quite enough of people insulting my intelligence - if you want an intelligent discourse I will oblige. But if you insist on this tact I'll gladly leave this forum and leave you koolaid-drinkers to gnash your teeth." --SmellyFed

Intelligent discourse? It's Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid. But if you insist on insults, then bring them on. I triple-dog dare you!:baby:

[tacitus]

I don't watch television 24/7 as many in this thread have suggested.


I'm so incredibly tired of the 24 hour coverage of the Pope's health. I'm sorry the old man is sick but this is just way over the top.



I believe that you are the one that started this thread with the statement that you were fed up with the 24/7 coverage on TV, therefore you are the one that suggested you watch TV 24/7.

[Beowulf]

Actually I wouldnt be surprised you're a Catholic. The Catholics I know curse like old soldiers, drink like fish, womenize at trade shows (away from home) and don't have the first idea as to where to go in their Bibles to prove to themselves or to anyone else that they are going to heaven. But they do all manage to get forgiven on Saturday.


Yeah, I curse like a soldier but then again, I was one. BUT, I drink very little, don't attend trade shows, remain faithful to my wife of almost 16 years (and love her more than life itself), my bible is on our living room end table and I have nothing to prove with it nor do I personally.
Forgiveness? Since I don't attend mass weekly, I don't ask for it. If I'm worthy of it, it'll be granted. If not, so be it.

[Rink]

Catholics are Christian.

I havent heard Catholics tell non-Catholics that they're all going to hell.

In fact I hear a lot of Evengelicals telling those they feel dont fit their bill of 'perfection' that they are going to hell, one name I'll pull up and I know he doesnt represent ALL Evangelicals, but he's just a prime example of the 'holier-than-thou' types running around condeming everyone to hell, and that name is Fred Phelps.

And he is NOT a Catholic.

Smelly I havent heard Catholics say everyone who is not a Catholic is going to hell since the 60's.

Those in your area claiming to be righteous Catholics should be counseled by the local Catholic priest of their sins, Have you even approached the Catholic priest over their apparent unforgiving attitude towards you Smelly? Or have you just 'ASSUMED'??? They all think alike?

You got the balls to go to the local Catholic Parish Priest with your complaints? You have the balls to go and actually TALK to the Catholics with what you feel is a 'holier-than-thou attitude coming from the parish members?

Sometimes the Priest or Bishop of that dioscese can rectify that problem by education.

But bashing Catholics and Catholicism isnt gonna solve anything.

From what I'm getting from you is a Strong sense of bitterness and boiling anger against those you feel have misjudged you wrongly.

I'm gonna ask you a question Smellyfed, are YOU a Christian? And if so do you abide by Our Lords own teachings?

If so, do you remember what Christ Himself stated on the idea of Forgiveness?

Let me show you ok?


The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ According to Saint Matthew
Chapter 18

Christ teaches humility, to beware of scandal, and to flee the occasions of sin: to denounce to the church incorrigible sinners, and to look upon such as refuse to hear the church as heathens. He promises to his disciples the power of binding and loosing: and that he will be in the midst of their assemblies. No forgiveness for them that will not forgive.

1 At that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Who, thinkest thou, is the greater in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus, calling unto him a little child, set him in the midst of them.

3 And said: amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven.

5 And he that shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth me.

6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.

7 Woe to the world because of scandals. For it must needs be that scandals come: but nevertheless woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh.

8 And if thy hand, or thy foot, scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee to go into life maimed or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into everlasting fire.

9 And if thy eye scandalize thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee having one eye to enter into life, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10 See that you despise not one of these little ones: for I say to you, that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

12 What think you? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them should go astray: doth he not leave the ninety-nine in the mountains, and goeth to seek that which is gone astray?

13 And if it so be that he find it: Amen I say to you, he rejoiceth more for that, than for the ninety-nine that went not astray.

14 Even so it is not the will of your Father, who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.

16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.

17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

19 Again I say to you, that if two of you shall consent upon earth, concerning anything whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by my Father who is in heaven.

20 For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

21 Then came Peter unto him and said: Lord, how often shall my brother offend against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith to him: I say not to thee, till seven times; but till seventy times seven times.

23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened to a king, who would take an account of his servants.

24 And when he had begun to take the account, one as brought to him, that owed him ten thousand talents.

25 And as he had not wherewith to pay it, his lord commanded that he should be sold, and his wife and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26 But that servant falling down, besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

27 And the lord of that servant being moved with pity, let him go and forgave him the debt.

28 But when that servant was gone out, he found one of his fellow-servants that owed him an hundred pence: and laying hold of him, he throttled him, saying: Pay what thou owest.

29 And his fellow-servant falling down, besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he paid the debt.

31 Now his fellow servants seeing what was done, were very much grieved, and they came, and told their lord all that was done.

32 Then his lord called him: and said to him: Thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all the debt, because thou besoughtest me:

33 Shouldst not thou then have had compassion also on thy fellow servant, even as I had compassion on thee?

34 And his lord being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid all the debt.

35 So also shall my heavenly Father do to you, if you forgive not every one his brother from your hearts.



Remember this lesson from Christ Himself and KEEP IT.

[PrezLeefun]

Hate to bust your bubble Rink but part of the reason i have not converted to catholism is because I have heard one too may preist say during mass that the catholic way is the only way.

[SmellyFed]

Hate to bust your bubble Rink but part of the reason i have not converted to catholism is because I have heard one too may preist say during mass that the catholic way is the only way.

Shhhh... that's a dissenting opinion and that isn't allowed here.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Shhhh... that's a dissenting opinion and that isn't allowed here." --SmellyFed, to PrezLeefun


Like the turd that won't flush! SHEESH!:hissyfit:

[Rink]

Well hate to tell ya prez but those priests are going against the grain with the Vatican, as the RCC has done faith outreach with other faiths and have rescinded the idea that People cant go to heaven unless they're Catholic, attitude.

Ya best start reading the Catholic Catechism to find out for certain.

(betcha those priests that said what they said werew Old priests.)

And smelly, Use your head and READ the scripture.

[Beowulf]

Hate to bust your bubble Rink but part of the reason i have not converted to catholism is because I have heard one too may preist say during mass that the catholic way is the only way.
I have NEVER heard a priest say that. I'm not saying however that it hasn't been said.

And Fed, dissenting opinions are allowed here. It's called debate. If you want to go where dissenting opinions aren't allowed, go to the Drunken Underground. One dissenting opinions got me banned.

[CzechPrince]

Hate to bust your bubble Rink but part of the reason i have not converted to catholism is because I have heard one too may preist say during mass that the catholic way is the only way.

I have been a Catholic the entire 19 years of my life. I lived in Europe for about half of it, Florida for a period of time, before finnally moving to Virginia. I have never heard a Catholic priest say that. Claiming you are the true church, which I beleive it to be, is not the same thing as saying Catholicism is the only way to get to heaven, indeed, that is against Catholic doctrine. Perhaps you misunderstood him?

[CzechPrince]

You've proved nothing.


Oh but I did. Care to take another look?

Originally Posted by SmellyFed

I guess I was wrong that this was a site where opinion was welcomed. I've apparently committed the unpardonable sin of not being Catholic... which gets me a direct ticket to hell as well as a tongue-lashing from which I'll probably never recover.

That is false. You don't have to be Catholic to get to heaven, even church doctrine will state that. You were wrong, and I replied with this:

"How ignorant. The Catholic Church does not teach non-Catholic Christians are going to hell. Try some real research, this is not the medieval times."

As far as a tounge-lashing, you should note most people giving you that are not even Catholics. As much as they might not agree with the Catholic Church, they are willing to recognize ignorance when they see it.


I've had quite enough of people insulting my intelligence

With good reason.


But if you insist on this tact I'll gladly leave this forum and leave you koolaid-drinkers to gnash your teeth.

No one is asking you to leave that I know of, including myself. It would be for your own benefit if you actually studied the subjects in which you are talking about, becasue you have no idea what the f--- you are talking about.

With regards to not understanding why the Supreme Bishop's health is being covered, I already stated the Catholic Church is the largest religion on the planet, with over 1 billion people in it.
http://adherents.com/adh_rb.html
http://adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

You should not say, "Suck it" if you proved absolutley nothing.

[Warlady]

Shhhh... that's a dissenting opinion and that isn't allowed here.

THAT'S BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. Are you losing this debate so badly that you are forced to lie now?

[Warlady]

I believe that you are the one that started this thread with the statement that you were fed up with the 24/7 coverage on TV, therefore you are the one that suggested you watch TV 24/7.

That's going to leave a mark.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Whew it's hot in here! Well before one is forced to move this thread from the frying pan to the flame(wars), I thought I might try offering a fire extinguisher --

Smelly, I can totally relate to your disturbance about all the "Pope" media. There is one thing you have to keep in mind, though. There are certain individuals who are simply noteworthy for WHO they are (this is neither a bad or good thing -- even though there are bad and good individuals). Think about WHO gets coverage: The President of the United States, Michael Jackson, Entertainers (their lives are under a CONSTANT microscope), remember Princess Diana? There are ALWAYS going to be people whose persona simply demands air-time, because the media KNOWS a large chunk of the viewing audience wants to know about these people.

This happens with certain types of news stories too -- how many of us haven't complained when the media picks some obscure thing to focus on to try to smash and bash conservatives? Haven't we all said, what is with all this "fill-in-the-blank" coverage.

Smelly, I am not a Catholic either. I grew up with a Father who was VERY anti-Catholic, and a best fried who was VERY Catholic (a volitile situation, at best). I have issues with the Catholic religion too -- but not Catholic individuals. The problem lies with the interpretation of "church," "religion," and "faith," in my humble opinion. Think of it this way, when that glorious day comes and Christ returns for His Church, will He be calling all, or specific denominational, church buildings to be caught up with Him in the sky? No, we all know that is ridiculous. Christ Jesus will be searching the hearts of His Church, the body of beilievers who have claimed salvation (regardless of denomination) to test their hearts for His Truth. It is my earnest opinion there will probably be Baptists (Primitive, Southern, Regular), Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, Advent Christians, Charismatics, Catholics, etc. It simply won't MATTER what "church" they attended or what "denomination" they espouse -- what WILL matter is the intent of their heart, He will be like unto an x-ray machine, scanning the heart for His Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life -- no one can simply substitute a denomination for the word in bold italics, and I don't believe Christian Catholic individuals do that . . . nor Christian Baptist, or Christian Methodists, or Christian Lutherans, etc.! The most important word in ANY of those "categories" listed above is CHRISTIAN - the spirit of Christ dwelling within and among the follwer of Christ! Are there those individuals among those denominations who CLAIM Christ, and yet do not KNOW Him as their Saviour and Lord -- you betcha. But His Church is NOT known by them who claim Him, but them who LIVE Him.

Maybe I have overstepped my bounds in speaking in this manner, but I just don't see how arguing over the "method" of the church is as worthy as the goal of faith -- salvation, eternal life, and glorification of Christ Jesus. As I once heard a very wise pastor say, "Look, it's not about YOU, it's about HIM."

Please note: I am SO looking foward to the day when we ALL rejoice together before, and unto, the Lord.

[Warlady]

Prez, I'm curious. Exactly how many times have you attended Mass?

[CzechPrince]

She goes to a Catholic school, so she probably (Like I did in Catholic Middle School) weekly, especially if she is in New York.

[CzechPrince]

Think of it this way, when that glorious day comes and Christ returns for His Church, will He be calling all, or specific denominational, church buildings to be caught up with Him in the sky? No, we all know that is ridiculous. Christ Jesus will be searching the hearts of His Church, the body of beilievers who have claimed salvation (regardless of denomination) to test their hearts for His Truth. It is my earnest opinion there will probably be Baptists (Primitive, Southern, Regular), Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, Advent Christians, Charismatics, Catholics, etc. It simply won't MATTER what "church" they attended or what "denomination" they espouse -- what WILL matter is the intent of their heart, He will be like unto an x-ray machine, scanning the heart for His Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life -- no one can simply substitute a denomination for the word in bold italics, and I don't believe Christian Catholic individuals do that . . . nor Christian Baptist, or Christian Methodists, or Christian Lutherans, etc.! The most important word in ANY of those "categories" listed above is CHRISTIAN - the spirit of Christ dwelling within and among the follwer of Christ! Are there those individuals among those denominations who CLAIM Christ, and yet do not KNOW Him as their Saviour and Lord -- you betcha. But His Church is NOT known by them who claim Him, but them who LIVE Him.

Maybe I have overstepped my bounds in speaking in this manner, but I just don't see how arguing over the "method" of the church is as worthy as the goal of faith -- salvation, eternal life, and glorification of Christ Jesus. As I once heard a very wise pastor say, "Look, it's not about YOU, it's about HIM."

Please note: I am SO looking foward to the day when we ALL rejoice together before, and unto, the Lord.

Excellant Post from our Poster of the month.:claps:

[SmellyFed]

"How ignorant. The Catholic Church does not teach non-Catholic Christians are going to hell. Try some real research, this is not the medieval times."


Ok, well I must be reading this wrong then, please enlighten me. I thought this meant something entirely different:

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."

The Catechism of the Catholic Church; para 846: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church; para 847: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

I guess since I willfully remain outside the Catholic church, I'm excluded from this kindly provision.

And it is my understanding that the Catholic Church teaches that anyone who denies the authority of the pope despises the one who appointed him (ie. Christ) and therefore despises Christ. Can someone who despises Christ gain entrance to heaven? That doesn't seem to jive well with John 14:6

But how can I not deny the authority of the Pope when the church claims to descend from Peter - but it was Peter who was rebuked by the Apostle Paul publicly.

The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope speaks for all Christians and I believe he speaks for no one but himself, before the Almighty Father. The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is God's representative on earth but I believe Jesus is God's representative on earth. The Catholic church teaches that priests can forgive sins but I believe only Jesus can forgive sins because He was the lamb that was slain. The Catholic Church believes that Mary was assumed into Heaven like Elijah and Enoch but there is no scriptual basis for this. The Catholic Church teaches Mary is Holy, they pray to her but Jesus himself rebuked her at least twice. And the Catholic Church teaches that Mary was a virgin her entire life, but the Bible expressly names the siblings of Jesus: Joseph,. James, Simon, and Jude.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg. The reason I point all that out is that clearly I am knowledgeably and willfully remaining outside of the Catholic Church and therefore, I don't find sollace in para 847 of the Catechism.

And to those of you who alledge I can't read or am an imbecile, I assure you, I can indeed read and have pursued this very subject in great depth. However, I wasn't really wanting a debate on the merits of the Catholic Church in this thread - I was really just wanting to discuss what I believed to be an over-saturation by the news media of the Pope's failing health.

[Warlady]

The funniest thing in all of this is that it has been several days since Fox news has even discussed the Pope.

[SmellyFed]

THAT'S BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. Are you losing this debate so badly that you are forced to lie now?

No, I wouldnt think that being called a bigot by the site administrator would be found to be very welcoming on many sites but what the hell do I know. Clearly nothing - now I'm a liar too.

[PrezLeefun]

WL I attened mass monthly in elementry school and now four to five times yearly in high school. My best and most open experience with Catholics was at Grace House youth ministry center in Manhattan.

[CzechPrince]

I have some things for you. Here are some short articles that can explain it better. I can tell you first hand that I was taught other Christians have the possibility of heaven just like Catholics.

This is from the Vatican Website:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html

<CENTER>RELATIONS WITH THE BRETHREN OF THE SEPARATED CHURCHES

</CENTER>[24. The Eastern Churches in communion with the Apostolic See of Rome have a special duty of promoting the unity of all Christians, especially Eastern Christians, in accordance with the principles of the decree, "About Ecumenism," of this Sacred Council, by prayer in the first place, and by the example of their lives, by religious fidelity to the ancient Eastern traditions, by a greater knowledge of each other, by collaboration and a brotherly regard for objects and feelings.(29)

25. If any separated Eastern Christian should, under the guidance of the grace of the Holy Spirit, join himself to the unity of Catholics, no more should be required of him than what a bare profession of the Catholic faith demands. Eastern clerics, seeing that a valid priesthood is preserved among them, are permitted to exercise the Orders they possess on joining the unity of the Catholic Church, in accordance with the regulations established by the competent authority.(30)

26. Common participation in worship (communicatio in sacris) which harms the unity of the Church or involves formal acceptance of error or the danger of aberration in the faith, of scandal and indifferentism, is forbidden by divine law.(32) On the other hand, pastoral experience shows clearly that, as regards our Eastern brethren, there should be taken into consideration the different cases of individuals, where neither the unity of the Church is hurt nor are verified the dangers that must be avoided, but where the needs of the salvation of souls and their spiritual good are impelling motives. For that reason the Catholic Church has always adopted and now adopts rather a mild policy, offering to all the means of salvation and an example of charity among Christians, through participation in the sacraments and in other sacred functions and things. With this in mind, "lest because of the harshness of our judgment we be an obstacle to those seeking salvation" (31) and in order more and more to promote union with the Eastern Churches separated from us, the Sacred Council lays down the following policy.

27. Without prejudice to the principles noted earlier, Eastern Christians who are in fact separated in good faith from the Catholic Church, if they ask of their own accord and have the right dispositions, may be admitted to the sacraments of Penance, the Eucharist and the Anointing of the Sick. Further, Catholics may ask for these same sacraments from those non-Catholic ministers whose churches possess valid sacraments, as often as necessity or a genuine spiritual benefit recommends such a course and access to a Catholic priest is physically or morally impossible.(33)

28. Further, given the same principles, common participation by Catholics with their Eastern separated brethren in sacred functions, things and places is allowed for a just cause.(34)

29. This conciliatory policy with regard to "communicatio in sacris" (participation in things sacred) with the brethren of the separated Eastern Churches is put into the care and control of the local hierarchs, in order that, by combined counsel among themselves and, if need be, after consultation also with the hierarchs of the separated churches, they may by timely and effective regulations and norms direct the relations among Christians.

<CENTER>CONCLUSION

</CENTER>30. The Sacred Council feels great joy in the fruitful zealous collaboration of the Eastern and the Western Catholic Churches and at the same time declares: All these directives of law are laid down in view of the present situation till such time as the Catholic Church and the separated Eastern Churches come together into complete unity.

Meanwhile, however, all Christians, Eastern as well as Western, are earnestly asked to pray to God fervently and assiduously, nay, indeed daily, that, with the aid of the most holy Mother of God, all may become one. Let them pray also that the strength and the consolation of the Holy Spirit may descend copiously upon all those many Christians of whatsoever church they be who endure suffering and deprivations for their unwavering avowal of the name of Christ.

"Love one another with fraternal charity, anticipating one another with honor". (Rom.12,10.)

Each and all these matters which are set forth in this decree have been favorably voted on by the Fathers of the Council. And we, by the apostolic authority given us by Christ and in union with the Fathers, approve, decree and establish them in the Holy Spirit and command that they be promulgated for the glory of God."]



http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/EXTRAECC.TXT

http://www.staycatholic.com/salvation_outside_the_church.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20021218101607/ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ169.HTM

If this did not answere you I'll come back to it but I have to jet, class at 11:30 and I have to take the bus to the other side of campus.

[SmellyFed]

I have some things for you. Here are some short articles that can explain it better. I can tell you first hand that I was taught other Christians have the possibility of heaven just like Catholics.

This is from the Vatican Website:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html

How very civil of you. Sans vitrol I'm inclinded to look through this documentatioin and give it consideration.

[PrezLeefun]

Hate to say it like this Cp but I couldn't care less what the vatican has to say about other christians. I think catholics are christians and I think if they beleive in Christ then they got heaven just like me. The Bible holds supreme authority; not church hierarchy.

[whipple]

Also having read through the link provided, I think this is refering to Eastern Catholic Churches and in fact makes no mention of separatist nor protestant denominations.

[SmellyFed]

This is from the Vatican Website:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html


This document, although an interesting read, is plainly addressing divergent Catholic Churches. My sense of it is, it doesn't apply to Protestants.

It would be for your own benefit if you actually studied the subjects in which you are talking about, becasue you have no idea what the f--- you are talking about.

I think you were quick to jump to this conclusion - based perhaps on my own reluctance in this thread to debate Catholicism, and my repeated attempts to direct the discussion back to the original premise. My reluctance however shouldn't be mistaken for an inability to debate or of total ignorance of the texts, as some have suggested.

I'll be more generous to you than you were to me however. If my previous post (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=227051#post227051), citing the Catechisms and other Catholic Church papal declarations, is evidence that I "have no idea what the f--- I'm talking about", I'd like to know in what manner I have errored.

[Warlady]

No, I wouldnt think that being called a bigot by the site administrator would be found to be very welcoming on many sites but what the hell do I know. Clearly nothing - now I'm a liar too.

What do you call it when you make a statement that is blatantly false? A statement about MY BOARD! How DARE you claim that opposing viewpoints aren't welcome here when they clearly are. You sure can dish it out but you sure can't take it.

[Warlady]

Thanks Prez. I was just curious.

[SmellyFed]

What do you call it when you make a statement that is blatantly false? A statement about MY BOARD! How DARE you claim that opposing viewpoints aren't welcome here when they clearly are. You sure can dish it out but you sure can't take it.

I don't see that I made any statements were false. There was an immediate rush to judgement in this thread, which you participated in. In which I was called a bigot, a liar, a moron, etc...

I'm sorry if I can't wrap my small mind around the concept that this behavior is welcoming of divergent views.

To be clear. I can take whatever you all can dish out. Bring it.

Initially I thought this discussion had become something that was beneath the dignity of the participants and so I felt compelled to withdraw without further conjecture... but, so many have weighed in - and so many aspersions have been cast that I think it's necessary that this be fully debated.

Of course, you're welcome to run me out at any time - but get used to folks questioning your modus operandi. It happens on any forum, including my own.

[UnkHiram]

Smelly,

I Labeled you a bigot because of these statments that you made!

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pathetic level of news coverage of that evil little man

The Catholics are the religious bigots

I'd just like to be able to watch the news without having my senses constantly assaulted with this hyper-sensitivity to the little twerp in the pointed hat.



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Your False Statement (LIE) was that dissenting opionon is not welcome in this forum. You can make any idiotic statement you wish, but dont expect anyone to just ignore it.

AGAIN, Back to the original topic of this string. If you dont like the coverage, Change the channel or Turn off the TV. It may shock you but there are folks out here that are intrested in the Coverage on the Pope. I am fairly sure that it will soon return to coverage of M Jackson, R Blake and other people that are worthless crap and you will be happy.

BTW, You keep saying feel free to kick you out of the forum or that you are leaving. You might notice you aint been kicked off, Another proof that dissenting opionons are welcome here. If you are looking for a forum that everyone agrees with every single thought you express I would suggest that you start your own.

FOR THE RECORD: I am not a Moderator, I have no official status with the forum. I am simply another poster who has a very little use for the type of bigotry you have expressed.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I'm sorry, but this kind of argument is simply ridiculous to me (and does nothing but give power to the enemy and his minions).


Answer me this, IS Jesus Christ THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life, and do most major "Christian" religions believe this to be true? If there is but ONE Way into the kingdom of Heaven, salvation through Jesus Christ, then I don't understand the hoop-de-do about what denominations believe what in regards to their traditions, rituals, ceremonies, and "doctrines." It is MOST clear from the Bible, Jesus Christ was of NO denomination . . . as He is God made flesh, and therefore has no NEED for denomination or "religion," as it were.

To argue about semantics and CHURCH doctrinal fine-print is meaningless -- the simple fact remains, Know Christ = Know Peace . . . No Christ = No peace. Instead of denigrating a denomination (even if we truly believe some of their teachings are wrong or misguided) doesn't serve His Purpose in the least.

I do understand your frustration Smelly, I just don't see His Purpose being served out in arguing with folks about their denomination -- that is neither uplifting nor in furtherance of His commands.

[CzechPrince]

Hate to say it like this Cp but I couldn't care less what the vatican has to say about other christians.

Well it is a good thing they document it then, is it not? Some people are inclined to beleive false teachings. Fortunently our church backs up their canons.


I think catholics are christians and I think if they beleive in Christ then they got heaven just like me.

Awesome, I think the same thing.

The Bible holds supreme authority; not church hierarchy.

Actually, we don't beleive the heirarchy is above the Bible, we don't beleive anything is above the bible, but we do hold tradition in the same regard for purposes we can discuss later.

[Rink]

its all a matter of doctrinal issues when concerning that of Christian denominations, with some its near hair-splitting differences.

Take forinstance the orthodox Christian Church and Catholicism's 'Filioque' argument.

Orthodox Christians omit the Filioque in their church service, whereas the RCC keeps it.

Scripture supports the Filioque as being valid, as The Holy Spirit came from God the Father AND God the Son.

But then with some people there'll ALWAYS be Something to argue about no matter what.

its just human to be that way.

[CzechPrince]

This document, although an interesting read, is plainly addressing divergent Catholic Churches. My sense of it is, it doesn't apply to Protestants.

Yeah I figured I left out the part about Protestants, I was in a hurry. This is not exactly what I was looking for, I have seen somthing different on the Vatican site explaining it better, but this should do for now. Also read the 2 other things I posted before this post.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

[whipple]

Why do the Catholics hate the Masons so much?

Possibly because they pose/posed a significant threat to their power base.

[CzechPrince]

Why do the Catholics hate the Masons so much?

We don't hate the Masons, but the Masons obviously do not like us enough to not let us in their organization.

[CzechPrince]

The Masons are a Protestant organization.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The Masons are a Protestant organization.

Uhmm Czech, I'm not trying to hi-jack this thread, but I don't think so. No offense to any who might be a part of that particular fraternal organization, but I do not think it can be considered a Protestant organization.

[Riverboat]

I do not think it can be considered a Protestant organization.A lot of Protestants and churches outside the Catholic are also opposed to the Masons.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

A lot of Protestants and churches outside the Catholic are also opposed to the Masons.

Very true -- teachings within the church denomination I belong to have been that Freemasonry is more like unto a cult than anything else. I have heard it said that one must "belong" to a church to be in the Masons, but I know for a fact this is incorrect. We know of a (former) personal friend who has been in the Masons for years, and he does not even believe in God at all, nor does he believe God authored the Bible, but instead believes 12 drunk men sat around a campfire one night and made the whole thing up. I kid you not.

[CzechPrince]

Uhmm Czech, I'm not trying to hi-jack this thread, but I don't think so. No offense to any who might be a part of that particular fraternal organization, but I do not think it can be considered a Protestant organization.

Put it this way: You cannot (from my knowledge) be Catholic and a Mason. My mom's brother is a Mason and told me that.

[Riverboat]

I doubt it not. A member of my own family who is in it up to his earlobes is convinced that the Bible is a pack of myths and legends. Another member (I'm being vague on purpose) left behind a thick tome on the degrees of masonry and the god associated with each one. It's almost hilarious how they take this nonsense seriously, and turn right around and ridicule the Catholic Church for its rituals.

[CzechPrince]

I don't know much about it, heck I don't think anyone does. I think at the time Washington and Franklin were in it, it was different than the Mason Frat of today.

[Warlady]

I don't see that I made any statements were false. There was an immediate rush to judgement in this thread, which you participated in. In which I was called a bigot, a liar, a moron, etc...

I'm sorry if I can't wrap my small mind around the concept that this behavior is welcoming of divergent views.

To be clear. I can take whatever you all can dish out. Bring it.

Initially I thought this discussion had become something that was beneath the dignity of the participants and so I felt compelled to withdraw without further conjecture... but, so many have weighed in - and so many aspersions have been cast that I think it's necessary that this be fully debated.

Of course, you're welcome to run me out at any time - but get used to folks questioning your modus operandi. It happens on any forum, including my own.

I don't ban people for having opposing viewpoints. I don't appreciate you insulting FC since I consider it my baby but I like you. Just because we disagree on this topic is no reason to get all bent out of shape.

[whipple]

I don't ban people for having opposing viewpoints. I don't appreciate you insulting FC since I consider it my baby but I like you. Just because we disagree on this topic is no reason to get all bent out of shape.

Out of interest who were the founding members of this forum?

[Warlady]

Hmmmm, me, Rhino, tacitus, Maggie, and a few others and some who are no longer here.