Emergency, Help TODAY, new way to help Terri Schiavo

[Patriot Heart]

Go to www.glennbeck.com (http://www.glennbeck.com) He has intructions there on how to call your Rep and Senators about a new bill Rep Melton of FL is introducing to give Terri and others like her the right to their own attorney among other things. He was just on Glenn Beck's show minutes ago, and said it is imperative that the Congress is flooded with calls, so this bill will gain legs and go fast. Every call matters now.

[Patriot Heart]

I just called my Rep and two Senators, it took less than two minutes. This is important folks, finally something WE can do.

[Large_Al]

Done!!

[Patriot Heart]

Forgive me, I'm gonna bump this, her life and others in the future are at stake.
Thanks.

[Warlady]

PH I made the thread sticky so you don't have to bump it anymore.

[Patriot Heart]

Thanks WarLady.

[Warlady]

You're welcome. :)

[EveningStar]

This past Monday, Michael Medved and Alan Keyes discussed the Terry Schiavo case on Medved's radio show. Here is a transcript. (http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/media/interviews/05_03_07medved.htm)

[abestreet]

I'm really not that familiar with this case. Is the husband's positon that his wife is brain dead and her life will never improve? Is the position of the parent's that she is not brain dead, she is aware of her surroundings, and her life may improve? Also, would their be a case to keep her alive if she had written her request to be allowed to die instead of just telling her husband in private?

In general I would like to think the husband has her best interest in mind. No one would want to see their spouse's life, a spouse who is brain dead, have their life dragged out through the use of machines. However, I'm not sure the wife is brain dead. I'm not sure she has received the treatment she should have. The article suggests that money designated for her care has gone to attorney's. I'm not sure her legal husband is really her husband anymore. If the man has moved in with another woman, raised two children and been devoted to this woman I think it is clear that he has taken on a new wife. Why would he not ask that his marriage be annulled so that he could devote himself to his current love and family? Maybe even marry her?

I find it odd that only the husband knew of his wifes desire to deny treatment if she was ever to enter a vegatative state. It is a private matter but you would think she might have mentioned it to friends and family members.

[Antigone]

Anybody catch the businessman on Hannity & Colmes last night who has hired Gloria Allred to offer Michael Schiavo $1 million to basically "turn over" Terri to her parents? Suppose the money hungry little bastage will take him up on it??

[Patriot Heart]

Abestreet, this is a long, sordid, and very sad story. The "husband" doesn't give a rip about Terri, he has not even alowed her to have rehab care for years. Scooted off with a new girlie very soon after Terri became comatose. Bottom line, people need to have a living will made, out, even a homemade one with proper witnesses, no matter your age (adults), because you never know. Based on his behavior I wouldn't believe a thing he says about what Terri supossedly told him long ago.

[Warlady]

I happen to believe her husband is the cause of her injury. abestreet, she is not brain dead. She is brain damaged. I have personally witnessed on Fox news a doctor who is familiar with her case make the claim that she can be rehabilitated. Her husband took the insurance money, supposedly a million dollars and spent it on himself. He's still married to Terri but he's common law married to someone else. I have a feeling his common law wife will push him to take the money. I sure hope so.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: The common-law wench must be a total airhead to stay with this creep. Doesn't she fear for her own safety?

[Antigone]

Looks like the jerk isn't taking the money.

Man Turns Down $1M in Sciavo Case
Friday March 11, 2005 6:16 PM



AP Photo NY113

By MITCH STACY

Associated Press Writer

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - A man fighting to have a feeding tube removed from his brain-damaged wife on Friday rejected a California businessman's offer to pay him $1 million to give up his right to decide her medical treatment.

Thursday's offer, which the husband's attorney labeled ``offensive,'' came hours after a judge refused to let the state's social services agency intervene - a move that would have delayed next week's scheduled removal of the tube.


ARTICLE (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4858477,00.html)

[Warlady]

Well hell. Why not? What does he care? Is he afraid she's going to wake up one day and tell the world how he did that to her? Mel Gibson has issued a statement calling for her to be saved. We need an outpouring.

[RuffhouseFarm]

S. 539 has been placed on the senate calendar. Grassley (R-OH) moved to have it placed there so it doesn't have to go to our miserable senate judiciary committee.

Basically the same bill in the House, H.R. 1151, is in the House jud. cmte, but that's not a dead end like the senate cmte is. There are now 102 cosponsors of the House bill, including some Dems, and even including Kucinich of OH and even Loefgren of CA.

I expect both of these to pass this week.

Please, everybody turn up the heat on your U.S. House and Senate reps, especially if your reps are Dems. Hell, email or call the whole congress if you want to.

Passage of these will cut Schiavo's and Felos' balls off, and there's no question W will sign it in a heartbeat.

What these sick evil bastards are trying to do to this young woman cannot stand.

[Warlady]

So there's still hope then?

[Patriot Heart]

I got this email today, I am cutting and pasting, it makes it VERY easy to email and/or print a letter to your Rep and Senators......

<TABLE width=610 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=left><TD colSpan=2><HR width=610 color=#003366></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Contact Your Representative and Senators Today in Support of the Incapacitated Persons Legal Protection Act Dear Julie/Bill,

http://www.afa.net/activism/images/terrisfight.jpgAs you may already know, Terri Schiavo's case has reached a critical point. Judge George W. Greer has ordered that her nutrition and hydration be removed on March 18, 2005. Remember, contrary to media portrayals of Terri, she is not in a coma. Medical experts confirm that 41-year-old Terri Schiavo is aware of her surrounding. Removing Terris tubes will kill her by starvation and dehydration, a gradual process that could take 7 to 30 days. Terri is no criminal. She is a healthy individual with a disability. She breathes on her own and her body operates normally. She responds to the people around her, and she is very much alive. However, because her estranged husband, who is her legally appointed guardian, has denied her the therapy she should have, she relies on a feeding tube for nourishment.

PLEASE HELP SAVE TERRI and disabled people like her, from this type of court-forced death. Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL) and Rep. Dave Weldon (R-FL and a Physician) introduced the Incapacitated Person's Legal Protection Act (H.R.1151 and S.539) a bill that could save the life of Terri Schiavo, who suffered a brain injury 15 years ago. The Act will give Terri Schiavo, and anyone else in a similar situation, the same Constitutional protection of due process as death row inmates. Present law does not explicitly recognize due process for an incapacitated individual and leaves the rights of disabled persons to the mercy of the courts.

Click Here - To Email Your Representative and Senators - and for Additional Information (http://capwiz.com/afanet/issues/alert/?alertid=7191461&type=CO)

In addition to sending the email, please call your members of Congress in support of Incapacitated Person's Legal Protection Act (H.R.1151 and S.539) a bill that could save the life of Terri Schiavo. They can be reached through the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121.

Please forward this emergency alert to all of your pro-life friends and family members around the country.

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

P.S. Please forward this email to family and friends.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Warlady]

By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor
March 9, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- Two Florida lawmakers Tuesday introduced legislation that could save the life of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman in Florida, whose husband is fighting to remove her feeding tube despite her family's pleas.

The Incapacitated Person's Legal Protection Act (HR 1151 and S 539) would give Terri Schindler Schiavo and people in similar situations the same constitutional protection of due process as death-row inmates.

"This bill is not assuming a specific outcome for Terri Schiavo. It is not a right-to-life or a right-to-die issue," said Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), who sponsored the bill in the Senate.

"It is a very narrowly written piece of legislation to ensure that in very select cases - where there is a judicial dispute about the perceived wishes of the incapacitated individual and a court ordered cessation of nutrition, hydration and medical treatment - that proper legal representation is provided for individuals who have no voice for themselves and whose lives hang in the balance," added Martinez.

Click to read the rest (http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/march/0309_terris_law.shtml)

[RuffhouseFarm]

I just got a strong rumor that Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) is holding up this bill in the House Judiciary Cmte and is holding it for a hearing that isn't until Wednesday. Schiavo is going to pull her tubes on Friday at 1:00pm.

Does anybody know anything about this? If you do, please post it here. In the meantime, I'm going to try to find out. I know somebody who knows a Republican congressman pretty well, although he's not on the Jud. Cmte.. It would be real good if the rest of you would try to find out. If it's true, we need to straighten Sensenbrenner out fast. I hope this doesn't have anything to do with him being sour grapes over whatever it was that happened a month or two ago that he had a sharp disagreement with W. I forget at the moment what it was, but it was serious.

[RuffhouseFarm]

The hearing is scheduled for 2pm on Wednesday in the Judicial Subcommitte on the Constitution. Supposedly Sensenbrenner says he just wants to follow normal procedure instead of rocketing the bill through. This is a one-page bill and all it calls for is a habaeas corpus hearing for disabled people who have left no clear written directive as to their wishes if they become incapacitated. It's not rocket science. Frist and Grassley got the bill on calendar for this week without risking it being killed in committee. If there was going to be trouble, I would expect it in the Senate, not the House!

We need to light a fire under Sensenbrenner. I think we should contact Speaker Hastert and Tom Delay. I'm still trying to find out if there is any behind the scenes political maneuvering going on, but that's beside the point. Sensenbrenner is a strong pro-lifer and I'm flabbergasted that he is doing this. Just call a floor vote!

[CzechPrince]

This is disgusting what that bastard husband is trying to do to her. I have sent John Warner(R) a letter, he is a veteran and a damn good senator. He will hopefully make some noise about this.

[Warlady]

We're running out of time....and most importantly so is Terri.

[RuffhouseFarm]

I haven't found out yet what Sensenbrenner's problem is, but I did find out that Harry Reid may or is about to throw a wrench into the works on the Senate side.

Here's a sample letter you can use to send to all your reps, or you can use it as a pattern and re-word it if you like. Notice that you need to use H.R. 1151 when writing to your House rep and S. 539 when writing to your state's U.S. senators.

http://lifeatthefrontier.blogspot.com/2005/03/supporting-incapacitated-persons-legal.html

I guess we'll find out real soon who we can count on when the chips are down.

[DeclinetoState]

I'm really not that familiar with this case. Is the husband's positon that his wife is brain dead and her life will never improve? Is the position of the parent's that she is not brain dead, she is aware of her surroundings, and her life may improve? Also, would their be a case to keep her alive if she had written her request to be allowed to die instead of just telling her husband in private?

In general I would like to think the husband has her best interest in mind. No one would want to see their spouse's life, a spouse who is brain dead, have their life dragged out through the use of machines. However, I'm not sure the wife is brain dead. I'm not sure she has received the treatment she should have. The article suggests that money designated for her care has gone to attorney's. I'm not sure her legal husband is really her husband anymore. If the man has moved in with another woman, raised two children and been devoted to this woman I think it is clear that he has taken on a new wife. Why would he not ask that his marriage be annulled so that he could devote himself to his current love and family? Maybe even marry her?

I find it odd that only the husband knew of his wifes desire to deny treatment if she was ever to enter a vegatative state. It is a private matter but you would think she might have mentioned it to friends and family members.

Abe, for one who's "not that familiar with this case," you've nailed the particulars pretty well. What's disappointing is that there are some who post here who take the husband's side and wish to doom the woman to an agonizing death.

[RuffhouseFarm]

I found out today that the ACLU has been bankrolling Schiavo's legal fees for some time now. I still haven't found out what Sensenbrenner's problem is. No more noise so far from Reid.

Has everybody emailed Sensenbrenner, Hastert, Delay and your own House rep asking him or her to light a fire under Sensenbrenner? The last time I looked, there were 115 cosponsors of the House bill.

And don't forget Frist. He's done real well on this so far, but keep up the heat. Well, not that well. He's a doctor. He should have taken the lead on this and done so much sooner.

[RuffhouseFarm]

The rubber is about to meet the road. Either you're going to stand by while an innocent young woman is put to death, allowing a frightening precedent to be set, or you're going to take action now.

Both Felos and Judge Greer are connected to the hospice facility where Terri was deposited in the dead of night some years ago. Felos stepped down as Board Chairman when he took Schiavo's case. Hospices are cheap to run because little care is needed for the dying. It's become a big industry and federal Medicaid funds are paid to the hospices. Healthcare and long-term care carriers save money by the disabled and elderly dying sooner rather than later and they're off the hook once somebody is sent to hospice. Hospice is supposed to be for six months and the dying, but Terri has been in hospice for years and she is not dying. The scheme is easily seen when you consider that just a few years ago Florida changed its statutory definintion of life support to include feeding and hydration tubes.

Terri shouldn't even be there, but Schiavo is her "guardian" and has complete control over her, who visits and what care she gets, which is none. Schiavo is not paying for her care and he's not paying his legal bills. Other interested parties are covering that.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. If you are pro-life, you need to understand that any innocent person who is unable to speak for himself, be he elderly, disabled or unborn, deserves the same protection as the strong..... or the guilty. The left's culture of death brought on by the slippery slope of abortion has brought us to the point where it has become not just more convenient to kill certain unwanted people, but also financially rewarding. They have taken it upon themselves to decide 'quality of life' for the rest of us as a means to dispose of the unwanted who are born. Roe protects their other killings, the unborn.

It's your conscience. You decide what you're going to do about it.

Here's a recent article by David Limbaugh on the subject of Terri Schiavo: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20050315.shtml

[Patriot Heart]

Thank you Ruffhouse for all you have been able to report. On Glenn Beck's show today (Wed) he gave it a huge amount of airtime.

[RuffhouseFarm]

I think Sensenbrenner's committee is meeting as we speak. If I find out what happened, I'll post. Please, everyone be on the lookout for news of this meeting.

[RuffhouseFarm]

Please peruse the notices on this link:

http://www.earnedmedia.org/cws.htm

[RuffhouseFarm]

Thank you Ruffhouse for all you have been able to report. On Glenn Beck's show today (Wed) he gave it a huge amount of airtime.

Thanks, Patriot. You seem to be the only one listening.

[RuffhouseFarm]

The FL District Court of Appeal has a granted an appeal on Judge Greer's refusal to let the FL Dept. of Families and Children review the case, but refused to grant a stay. The Court granted expediting the hearing to March 28, ten days after Terri's tubes are removed. She'll be dead or near death at that point.

This is going to be my last post on this subject. It doesn't appear to me that anybody except Patriot Heart and I give a shit. I see no indication that anybody has contacted their congressional reps as requested on the subject of advancing the House and Senate bills, so I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread.

[Nutrider99]

I know we have a lot of great legal minds here. Maybe someone can answer some questions for me.

If I starve my dog, it's cruelty to animals. Why, then, can they starve Schiavo?

How can any judge look at a man who has denied his wife rehabilitation, denied her physical therapy, denied her the benefit of spiritual counsel, denied her access to specialists who claim they can help her, who has fought for 15 years to kill her despite the fact the she is NOT on life support, and who is shacked up with another woman who gave birth to two of his bastards (yes, that's a legal term, not an insult), and think that he is a GOOD candidate to act on behalf of the wife he is trying to kill?

How is it that the most corrupt court in America, the Florida State Supreme Court, can declare a law unconstitutional that was written SPECIFICALLY for this person, passed by an overwhelming majority of the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH of the state government and signed into law by the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the state government?

If the governor of a state can decide the life or death of a CONVICTED MURDERER who has been sentanced to be executed, how can his word be overridden by a judge regarding a woman who has not committed any crime?

If death by starvation is cruel and unusual punishment, banned by the Constitution, then how can death by starvation be an acceptable course of medical treatment?

[Patriot Heart]

Don't give it up Ruff, you are a better researcher than I. I think alot of folks are checking these posts but not necessarily adding their 2 cents. I know alot of folks on this board care about Terri.
Nut, I ask all the same questions you do. I find it astounding this is even happening.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Don't give it up Ruff, you are a better researcher than I. I think alot of folks are checking these posts but not necessarily adding their 2 cents. I know alot of folks on this board care about Terri.
Nut, I ask all the same questions you do. I find it astounding this is even happening.

PH,
I do believe Ruff has left the building for good . . . see post here:

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=232325#post232325

Thank you for sticking up for those of us who DO care, but just chose not to post here. I am praying fervently (as is my family and church) that the Lord intervenes and prevents this horrific event from coming to pass. I, myself, just cannot believe this is happening ... and in Florida, ALWAYS Florida ( sigh ) .

[Warlady]

The FL District Court of Appeal has a granted an appeal on Judge Greer's refusal to let the FL Dept. of Families and Children review the case, but refused to grant a stay. The Court granted expediting the hearing to March 28, ten days after Terri's tubes are removed. She'll be dead or near death at that point.

This is going to be my last post on this subject. It doesn't appear to me that anybody except Patriot Heart and I give a shit. I see no indication that anybody has contacted their congressional reps as requested on the subject of advancing the House and Senate bills, so I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread.

Then Ruff you would be wrong. I have posted many topics on this to save Terri. I donated money to her parents to fight this. I faxed everyone in Congress to pass the resolutions that would allow her to have her own counsel. Just today I posted a new thread in here and no one has posted to it. I understand your passion on this as I feel the same way. But you are wrong to say no one else cares. I resent the HELL out of your claim that no one but you and PH cares about Terri. You are new here and so you have no idea how often this topic has been discussed over the past few years so to heck with you.

[RuffhouseFarm]

Thhis will be my second to last post here. I only came back to finish the Terri Schiavo matter.

The U.S. House of Representatives PASSED HR1151 late tonight on a voice vote. I believe Rick Santorum (R-PA) will accomplish the same tomorrow in the Senate and I expect W to sign it immediately, probably Friday morning.

The American people have spoken and put a stop to his barbarism.

March 16, 2005


U.S. House OKs Bill to Delay Schiavo Case

By JESSE J. HOLLAND
ASSOCIATED PRESS




WASHINGTON (AP) -

The House passed legislation late Wednesday intended to delay the removal of the feeding tube keeping alive a brain-damaged woman whose husband has been given permission by a state court to allow her to die.

Earlier in the day, a Florida appeals court refused to block the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. For years her husband has battled her parents over his efforts to allow her to die, which he contends she would prefer rather than live in a vegetative state.

The House bill, passed on a voice vote, would move such a case to federal court. Federal judges have twice turned down efforts by the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, to move the case out of Florida courts, citing a lack of jurisdiction. Senate Republicans are introducing a separate bill to give Schiavo and her family standing in federal court, and they hope it can be debated on Thursday, a GOP aide said.

More
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-cong/2005/mar/16/031608309.html

___________________

By the way, Bo Gritz arrived in Pinellas County tonight to handle it his way:



Col. Gritz will arrive in Pinellas Park later today

Press Release

16 March 2005

TRUE GRIT(Z) RIDES AGAIN: FILES CITIZEN'S ARREST IN SHIAVO CASE

Former Green Beret Commander Bo Gritz is charging-in once again. The
66 year-old retired Army Lt. Colonel with his wife, Judy, drove
straight through from their Southern Nevada home to Pinellas Park,
Florida in their own effort to rescue Terri Schindler-Shiavo. In his
typically unconventional fashion, Gritz is arresting Pinellas Circuit
Judge George Greer and Terri Schiavo's estranged husband, Michael
Schiavo, plus anyone else who would aid or abet in removing Terri's
feeding tube.

Bo and Judy arrived this evening, after furnishing a notarized
"Citizen's Arrest Warrant" to Governor Jeb Bush and Florida Attorney
General Charlie Crist. Gritz intends on "papering" State and Federal
enforcement offices with his warrant on Thursday, one day before Judge
Greer has ordered the denial of food and water to Terri Schiavo.
Gritz says the "arrest" is meant to allow officials additional options
as the Florida State Executive and Legislative Branches maneuver to
secure Terri Schiavo from starvation. "It's just another arrow in the
quiver which may help pro-Terri forces to counter Judge Greer's
death-order," says Gritz.

The "Gritz-effect" remains to be seen, but he successfully used the
arrest-tool against federal law enforcement in August 1992 when he
intervened in the siege at Ruby Ridge, Idaho and brought what was left
of the Randy Weaver family down the hill without further bloodshed.
Sammy, the 14 year-old Weaver boy, was killed along with his mother,
Vicki, and U.S. Marshal William Degan. Randy Weaver and another man,
Kevin Harris, were wounded by police gun-fire. Gritz secured the
services of renowned defense lawyer Gerry Spence, and the U.S.
Department of Justice paid the Weavers $3.2-million in an out-of-court
settlement. Harris was awarded more than $300,000.

Gritz was also present during the longest FBI-siege at the Montana
Freemen compound, and helped in the failed-search for Olympic bombing
suspect Eric Rudolph -- due for prosecution in Birmingham this month.

Gritz says while he doesn't want to "cause trouble,"he gets involved
when it appears Americans are in needless life-and-death situations
with the law. Citing his officer's oath of allegiance to "defend the
Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic," Gritz says
while he doesn't know Terri Schiavo personally, she nevertheless
represents an American in danger of citizen-rights abuse, and he feels
an obligation to act while she remains alive. Says Gritz:
"Amer-I-cans will always fight for freedom. Millions of our military
place their life on the line to keep tyranny away from our shores."
He acknowledges and supports the broad-front of Americans who have for
years stood-up in saving the life of Terri Schiavo. Besides a
"Terri-Bill" under consideration in the U.S. Congress, the Florida
Legislature votes Friday on a modified-measure to keep Terri's
life-support in place. A previous Florida Bill was ruled
un-Constitutional barring further intervention by Governor Bush. "We
all do what we can. Most people wisely don't arrest important
officials, it can be non-habit forming. It's my contribution, as I
see it," says Gritz.

While threatened with arrest at Ruby Ridge and Jordon, Montana, when
the smoke-cleared, the much decorated war hero instead walked away
with FBI letters of appreciation. Time and events will soon tell if
his presence is thus appreciated in Florida.

A copy of the Gritz Warrant language is attached.

CITIZEN'S ARREST NOTICE

I, James G. "Bo" Gritz, a private citizen, being an American by birth
in Enid, Oklahoma, on 18 January 1939, and possessing personal
knowledge (reasonable cause) that certain individuals and agencies in
and around Pinellas Park, Florida have committed, or will soon commit,
specific felony violation of U.S. and Florida State laws, do hereby
issue and publish this Citizen's Arrest Notice requesting government
agencies responsible for enforcement, including the Pinellas County
Sheriff, Florida Attorney General, State Police, FBI, district
attorneys and local police departments arrest the identified person(s)
for crimes already committed and restrain them from committing further
violations identified in this document.

The focus of this action is to secure the personal safety of Theresa
"Terri" Marie Schindler-Schiavo, a natural-born U.S. Citizen currently
being held in the Woodside Hospice (727-541-4199) at 6774 102nd Avenue
N in Pinellas Park, FL 33782-2909 (Scott Kistler, Vice President of
Operations, 727-586-4432). Terri is paralyzed and in need of care by
the Woodside staff - specifically the provision of nourishment and
hydration at meal times through a feeding tube.
The specific threat is the wrongful withholding of nourishment from
Terri Schiavo beginning at 1:00 p.m. local-time on 18 March 2005 with
the specific purpose of her death through starvation and dehydration,
as ordered by Circuit Judge George W. Greer (727-464-3933) in the
Probate Division of the Circuit Court for Pinellas County, Florida at
2:50 p.m. on 25 February 2005; to be executed by Michael Schiavo
(Marrie Ct, Clearwater, FL). This is a felony conspiracy to cause the
wrongful death of an innocent person. The conspiracy will become a
homicide if carried through to completion.

With the exception of the feeding tube at meal time, Terri Schiavo is
on no other form of life support-system. She is not in a comma - she
opens and moves her eyes; she is aware, recognizes and reacts to
people and other stimuli. She is paralyzed, but more than 17
physicians and medical specialists have signed affidavits believing
her condition will improve with proper therapy. Nobel Prize nominee
Dr. William Hammesfahr has examined Terri and states her injury is a
type of stroke that he treats everyday with success. Terri's parents,
Robert and Mary Schindler are prepared to assume responsibility for
continued care of their daughter. The American people, the U.S.
Congress, Florida Legislature, Governor Jeb Bush, Florida Department
of Children and Families, the Vatican, numerous public interest
groups, and luminary Americans are making public their adamant
interest sustaining Terri's life.

As an American, Terri Schindler-Schiavo is protected under both U.S.
Constitutional Laws and Florida Statutes which have been over-ridden
by Judge George Greer. The 8th Amendment forbids cruel and unusual
punishment. Not even the most heinous criminals are starved to
death! The 14th Amendment protects her human rights as an American.

Florida Statute 744.3215 (Rights of Persons Determined Incapacitated)
forbids depriving Terri of food and water, a felony.



The warrant goes on http://www.theamericanvoice.com/

[RuffhouseFarm]

Then Ruff you would be wrong. I have posted many topics on this to save Terri. I donated money to her parents to fight this. I faxed everyone in Congress to pass the resolutions that would allow her to have her own counsel. Just today I posted a new thread in here and no one has posted to it. I understand your passion on this as I feel the same way. But you are wrong to say no one else cares. I resent the HELL out of your claim that no one but you and PH cares about Terri. You are new here and so you have no idea how often this topic has been discussed over the past few years so to heck with you.

I don't disbelieve you, but the point was that this situation has/had become critical, as in emergency, and ADDITIONAL effort was needed. If you can't figure that out, to heck with you too. I THOUGHT you were pro-life Americans. Until we get abortion overturned and the culture of death activists neutralized, there is a lot to do besides post gripes. Yesterday and today was one of those times, but not if it isn't a priority to you and others here. There comes a time to put up or shut up, and this was it.

Goodbye!

[american kid]

I have just emailed both of my senators.

[american kid]

*ding* I have an idea! Terri could be saved after her tube is removed right? So if this bill takes oh say, 2 days to pass she could still be saved? Am i correct?

[Warlady]

Yes kid. It's not the first time she has been starved. The last time Jeb Bush intervened and restored her feeding tube. I believe this is cruel and unusual punishment therefore it is unconstitutional.

Ruff, you have a big mouth and thin skin. I enjoyed most of your posts but you are a tenderfoot. Goodbye and good riddance.

[Antigone]

I don't disbelieve you, but the point was that this situation has/had become critical, as in emergency, and ADDITIONAL effort was needed. If you can't figure that out, to heck with you too. I THOUGHT you were pro-life Americans. Until we get abortion overturned and the culture of death activists neutralized, there is a lot to do besides post gripes. Yesterday and today was one of those times, but not if it isn't a priority to you and others here. There comes a time to put up or shut up, and this was it.

Goodbye!

Ruff, what is it you are looking for exactly?? For quite some time a large number of people on this board have come to Terri's defense. We have spent our time, our money and sent many prayers in support of Terri. We have emailed, written or called our Congresscritters. We have worked within our scope of influence to the best of our abilities. In addition to that, I have just spent the last week burning up my keyboard arguing on another forum with someone who I am sure would pull the plug herself if she could. I will NEVER change her mind. Are you needing some sort of validation from all of us or what?? Do you really need every poster who supports Terri's fight to reply to this thread with a "Me Too", "I just did it", "add me to the list" type of message?? If that is what you need to "prove" that we here at FC "give a shit", then you are better off leaving. Not all of us require public pats on the back for our efforts.

[Warlady]

Well said Antigone!!! Bravo. Ruff is a moron and just isn't Freecer material if you know what I mean. It's a crying shame too because he showed a lot of promise. Hopefully he will grow up and come back some day.

[ILikeIke]

Someone might have already posted this; but, I find that it has been a nice link for me to try to keep up with life issues from the pro-life side:

"Bill to Protect Terri Schiavo Gets Florida State House Approval"
http://www.lifenews.com/bio792.html

(edited once then put back)

[Warlady]

Clint did you hear the latest news? The House just passed a bill which will delay the removal of her feeding tube and the Senate passed their version. I don't think they will pull her tube tomorrow.

[ILikeIke]

Clint did you hear the latest news? The House just passed a bill which will delay the removal of her feeding tube and the Senate passed their version. I don't think they will pull her tube tomorrow.

Very good to hear. :)

[Patriot Heart]

From DRUDGE just after midnight 18 March


**Exclusive Fri Mar 18 2005 00:50:07 ET** The Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pension (HELP) Committee, Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) has requested Terri Schiavo to testify before his congressional committee, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. In so doing it triggers legal or statutory protections for the witness, among those protections is that nothing can be done to cause harm or death to this individual.

Members of Congress went to the U.S. Attorney in DC to ask for a temporary restraining order to be issued by a judge, which protects Terri Schiavo from having her life support, including her feeding and hydration tubes, removed... Developing...
:claps: :claps: :claps: :claps:

[Warlady]

I heard that this morning. I breathed a huge sigh of relief. Doc is wrong. I really do care what happens to her. I'm a retired nurse and I have cared for many patients like Terri. There are thousands of them in hospitals all across America. They feel pain. They get hungry. They aren't brain dead. They are brain damaged. Terri's husband is on a crusade to have her murdered. He has blocked any rehabilitation. Terri's brother was on Hannity last night. He said a speech therapist said she believes if she were allowed to work with Terri she could get her to talking. Again her husband refuses treatment. I think he should be arrested for spousal abuse.

[AZScreamingEagle]

HOW CAN THEY KILL HER?????/

HER SIBLINGS, PARENTS AND THE REST OF HER FAMILY WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF HER A$$HOLE ADULTERER HUSBAND WANTS HER TO LIVE...
THIS IS STATE-SUPPORTED MURDER, SOMEONE PLEASE STOP THIS
MADNESS. THIS IS BARBARIC, THIS HAS FAMILIAR OVERTONES OF
NAZI GERMANY..........MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Warlady]

I agree. I wish Bush would issue an EO. I guess he's not going to or he already would have.

[RuffhouseFarm]

I heard that this morning. I breathed a huge sigh of relief. Doc is wrong. I really do care what happens to her. I'm a retired nurse and I have cared for many patients like Terri. There are thousands of them in hospitals all across America. They feel pain. They get hungry. They aren't brain dead. They are brain damaged. Terri's husband is on a crusade to have her murdered. He has blocked any rehabilitation. Terri's brother was on Hannity last night. He said a speech therapist said she believes if she were allowed to work with Terri she could get her to talking. Again her husband refuses treatment. I think he should be arrested for spousal abuse.

I saw that program. You should go to that Empire Report link and read the testimony of Dr. G(something) when examined by the Schindler's first attorney, Patricia Anderson. It isn't long.

What that doctor was forced to admit is that Terri swallows her own saliva.

That means she can swallow.

Schiavo has REPEATEDLY denied requests from the family for her to be given a swallow test. Greer denied their motion for the test too, of course. As a nurse, you probably understand the significance of this.

After Greer ordered the tube removed (in Jan., I think), the Schindlers requested that they be allowed to feed her. Denied. They requested that she be allowed to die at home. Denied. They requested she be given a Christian burial. Denied, cremation ordered.

As to the spousal abuse, if you read the Empire Report, you will see the extent their violations of guardianship laws and regulations that pertain to Terri's physical care that Greer has covered up and actually participated in himself.

[Warlady]

This is horrible Ruff. I share your frustration. I forget which thread you posted that link in. I'll go try to find it. There are so many Terri threads now I'm getting confoosed.

[RuffhouseFarm]

I'll find it and try to post on each of the Terri threads. It's important that the people who really do care read and it and fully understand what we're dealing with.

Right now it's about Terri. Ultimately, it's about all the severely disabled and, therefore, all of us because we are all potentially disabled. This is a terrible precedent. A baby was just disconnected from life support by court order over the objections of her parents. We cannot allow our out of control leftist courts to be making these decisions. They advocate a culture of death. As Christians first and Republicans second, we must NEVER stop fighting for the right to life for the unborn, the disabled and any person unable to speak for himself.

I have a theory about the leftwing elitists and medical care, but I'm not going into it right now.

[RuffhouseFarm]

http://www.theempirejournal.com/

[Warlady]

Terri's lawyer is on Fox news now. He has given a website called http://www.helpterri.com

[abestreet]

Thanks for all of you that answered my earlier post. As far the legality of the matter goes I'm not sure that Congress should get involved. As a practical matter I don't see why the courts are giving the "husband" the final say. When you get married you agree to forsake all others and stick together for better or worse. I understand that a man like Terri's husband may desire to start another family. I don't fault him for that. However, this "girlfreind" and their two children that they are raising together seems to indicate that he has forsaken his wife. He shouldn't be able to have it both ways. I find it odd that all of Terri's family, even if their wrong and I'm not saying they are, want to keep her alive. It's only her husband of a few years, prior to her current condtions, that has taken on a new woman and family wants her put to death. I think that he as forsaken his wife, stuck with her through the "better" times and abandoned her during her "worse" times.

I might have a different take on this story if the husband had stuck by Terri's side and been like the rest of her family and hoping for the best. I might have even believed him if he said she did not want to live in a vegatative state if he had been as devoted to Terri as her parents and brother. However, since he has shacked up with another woman, doesn't have the balls to divorce his current wife and devote himself to his current girlfriend and their children I think everything he says and does is suspect. I think he is a selfish person who has forfeited his right to be Terri's legal guardian when he abaonded his wedding vows. What the courts ought to be doing is re-examining the husbands right to be custodian of Terri.

[RuffhouseFarm]

Thanks for all of you that answered my earlier post. As far the legality of the matter goes I'm not sure that Congress should get involved. As a practical matter I don't see why the courts are giving the "husband" the final say. When you get married you agree to forsake all others and stick together for better or worse. I understand that a man like Terri's husband may desire to start another family. I don't fault him for that. However, this "girlfreind" and their two children that they are raising together seems to indicate that he has forsaken his wife. He shouldn't be able to have it both ways. I find it odd that all of Terri's family, even if their wrong and I'm not saying they are, want to keep her alive. It's only her husband of a few years, prior to her current condtions, that has taken on a new woman and family wants her put to death. I think that he as forsaken his wife, stuck with her through the "better" times and abandoned her during her "worse" times.

I might have a different take on this story if the husband had stuck by Terri's side and been like the rest of her family and hoping for the best. I might have even believed him if he said she did not want to live in a vegatative state if he had been as devoted to Terri as her parents and brother. However, since he has shacked up with another woman, doesn't have the balls to divorce his current wife and devote himself to his current girlfriend and their children I think everything he says and does is suspect. I think he is a selfish person who has forfeited his right to be Terri's legal guardian when he abaonded his wedding vows. What the courts ought to be doing is re-examining the husbands right to be custodian of Terri.

That's precisely what the Schindlers have been asking for for years. If you read the information on the Empire Journal link that I've posted all over each Terri thread, you'll get the very ugly real picture of what's going on.

[abestreet]

Thanks for the link Ruffhouse. I was actually thanking a few of the posters that gave me a little more background informaton on this story a week or so ago, I drop in here off an on. Anyway, I checked your link out and found it to be very informative. Here is a portion taken from one of the articles at that link.

Michael Schiavo maintains that his wife had expressed to him in the mid-80’s that she would not want to be kept alive artificially, albeit he didn’t remember her alleged statement until some 10 years later after he had received over $1 million in an insurance settlement, part of which was earmarked to provide her with rehabilitative services which he then refused to allow to be provided to her.

If that's true I don't see how anything he says can be treated as truth. On the other hand do you, or anyone else, know if he mentioned it earlier and just waited to see if she would get better? Even if the later is true it sure looks suspicious. The more I read about her husband the greater my feelings of distrust and disgust become. Thanks again for the link and the concern.

[RuffhouseFarm]

"On the other hand do you, or anyone else, know if he mentioned it earlier and just waited to see if she would get better?"

Excellent question. The answer is that Schiavo NEVER allowed Terri to have any rehab AFTER the settlement. If he was waiting to see if she got better or could get better as he testified in the malpractice suit, wouldn't he have seen to it that she received the rehab therapy that she was entitled to under the settlement?

By the way, the TOTAL settlement was closer to $2.2 million.

Also, it explains on that site that under FL law, self-serving hearsay evidence is inadmissable, so Greer had no business accepting Schiavo's word for Terri's wishes in view of his (Schiavo's) conflicting interests, even if she was PVS which she isn't, and then actually making a finding that it was a fact based on that inadmissable hearsay.

[Warlady]

Curtman, because, unlike Terri's husband, civilized people don't commit murder.