VOUCHERS CONSTITUTIONAL

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5-4, Rhenquist writing the opinion:

Source: Fox News.

[RayChuang]

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With vouchers ruled constitutional, it means that public schools will have no choice but to start improving themselves lest they lose way too many students.

This is a major victory against the public school monopoly.

[Hottjohn]

Unfortunately, there will probably be so many strings attached to implementing school vouchers, it won't help much. Anything the government gets involved in will be messed up anyway.

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Great, now we just have to get the federal government out of the education business, because the feds don't really support vouchers.

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As a note of caution!

Be careful what you ask for, you may get more than you bargained for in the long run.

[Maggie_T]

What do you mean, tac? images/icons/confused.gif

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What I mean is that where the tax dollars go, so goes the feds to ensure that they are being spent IAW federal guidelines.

Mark my words, the NEA and feds will be all over the private schools with a fine tooth comb and eventually the private schools will crash and burn.

[Maggie_T]

Please tell me you're just being over-pessimistic, tac. images/icons/frown.gif


BTW, isn't the money going to go to the parents as opposed to the schools?

I thought the judges ruled it constitutional because the money would go to the individuals and they can decide what to do with it (put it in vouchers).

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Maggie the leftie lunatics consider ALL tax money as property of the government. Any $$$ given to the parents is tax money and therefore the responsibility of the government. Pessimist you bet!

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Originally posted by RayChuang:
With vouchers ruled constitutional, it means that public schools will have no choice but to start improving themselves lest they lose way too many students.

http://mysmilies.com/ubb/smilies/cwm1.gif <font color=magenta>You're kidding, right? You're beïng overly optimistic. I can assure you that the administrators of our government diploma mills will have no intention to change their failed policies. My guess is that they will only change after the majority of students have been whisked safely away to private schools, & the public "schools" are left with only hard-core discipline problems. By then it will be too late for the public "school" system, but at least our children will have a better chance at a real education.</font>

[Timberwolf]

If the fed tries to pull any crap with the schools receiving voucher money, the parents will scream bloody murder and we may just end up getting rid of the leftist liberals in WDC.

In fact, the schools could tell the fed to "get stuffed" b/c they are not receiving the federal $$$, the parents are...the fed would have to tell the parents WHERE TO SEND THEIR KIDS and the parents wouldn't stand for it.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I think that the Supreme Court made an excellent decision on the vouchers issue. Remember, just because something may not be a good idea does not mean it is unconstitutional. I personally do think that the voucher system could be a great boost to our education system.

[DesertFox]

Welcome to the board, Thomas. I agree.

[DesertFox]

Voucher proponents have to get after it and make sure it's done right.

[dajoga]

Can you believe this clown?

[/b]Justice Breyer, in his extra-constitutional role as free-lance sociologist, worried that any aid reaching religious schools might stir sectarian discord. His worry is at most mildly interesting, and is irrelevant to the judicial job he is paid to do but which evidently is not large enough to exhaust his itch to set social policy.[/b]

Quoted from George Will (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/georgewill/gw20020628.shtml)

[Westbrook]

Tacitus is right to be wary of vouchers.

To see the reasons, surf to the Home School Legal Defense Association article: Reasons Home Schoolers Should Avoid Government Vouchers (http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000002/00000251.asp)

In fact, the Home School Legal Defense Association will revoke your membership if you take vouchers, since you will be in an indefensible position if the government doesn't like what you're teaching or how you're teaching it.

[Timberwolf]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Westbrook:
Originally posted by dgauw:
Non-public schools that accept vouchers should not let down their standards for enrollment just to get these funds.

WB:
They will be compelled to do so. After all, it's government money.

By definition, if you are a school taking any government funds, you are a government school. It's only a matter of time before the government, at the behest of their masters in the Communist-front teachers unions, tightens the reigns.

For the same reasons, I don't think churches shoudld be 501-3c corporations, either. See what happened to Indianapolis Baptist Temple.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But they won't be taking public moneys. They will be taking moneys from INDIVDUALS. The government will not be able to say one word about it...unless they want millions of angry parents marching on WDC.

...and why shouldn't Home Schoolers benefit?? Why should they have to support public education if they are schooling their children at home? And what'd the government gonna do? Violate ones 4th amendment right to be secure in ones home??

The government has to be forced OUT of education so that we may again EDUCATE our children rather than have them continue to be indoctrinated.

[Westbrook]

TW, my brother,

Vouchers are government money.

They can dictate how it is spent.

Plain and simple.

Better that the government should not be allowed to take the money in the first place.

Vouchers is just another redistributionist scheme.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I think regardless of whether or not this sets up private schools (only those who accept vouchers) to be regulated, the Supreme Court decision was still monumental and shows that this court isn't afraid of the "R word."

[dajoga]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Westbrook:
Tacitus is right to be wary of vouchers.

To see the reasons, surf to the Home School Legal Defense Association article: Reasons Home Schoolers Should Avoid Government Vouchers (http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000002/00000251.asp)

In fact, the Home School Legal Defense Association will revoke your membership if you take vouchers, since you will be in an indefensible position if the government doesn't like what you're teaching or how you're teaching it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I enthusiastically support HS, but I don't think vouchers should go to HS. The primary reason for them was so people could have an affordable school choice.

I think the greater danger is for private or parochial schools starting to depend on voucher money. Also, some parents may use vouchers simply to get kids in a safer invironment w/o really caring for the education. Our local Christian school gets a lot of kids whose parents don't want them with blacks in the Public school. Consequently they often balk at the emphasis of Christian values and teaching. Non-public schools that accept vouchers should not let down their standards for enrollment just to get these funds.

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Schools that depend on this form of money may be in for a shock when the PC police come knocking on the door.

Since this voucher is in the form of a tax credit, the parents need the $$$ upfront to pay the tuition. I will say that $2500 is often less than half of the actual tuition at most private schools. Therefore the parent has to come up with the full amount, THEN wait for the tax refund. Parents that can afford to do this are probably sending their kids to private school.

The parents that balk at the Christian values being taught will be the first to DEMAND that those teachings be stopped. Schools that acquiesce to these demands will be no better than the public schools.

[Westbrook]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dgauw:
Non-public schools that accept vouchers should not let down their standards for enrollment just to get these funds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They will be compelled to do so. After all, it's government money.

By definition, if you are a school taking any government funds, you are a government school. It's only a matter of time before the government, at the behest of their masters in the Communist-front teachers unions, tightens the reigns.

For the same reasons, I don't think churches shoudld be 501-3c corporations, either. See what happened to Indianapolis Baptist Temple.