The Bill Is Passed. (later update: Passed and signed into law)

[RuffhouseFarm]

Passing now.

I'm trying to get a definitive writing on what exactly passed. Apparently what they passed allows the matter to be heard in federal court.

edit: a federal judge can decide if the tube will be re-inserted. They want a federal judge notified immediately.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I think they just voted to bypass the normal rules and let it pass. IOW, to screw the Dems and their delaying tactics

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

Oops, I'm not sure that a suspension of rules has passed yet. I think they are still voting as we speak

[RuffhouseFarm]

Yes, but the numbers look right for us. There's a couple more minutes to vote. Suspend the rules and pass is done when they know they have the votes to overwhelm the opposition.

[RuffhouseFarm]

The voting is over. They passed it. It looks like all they needed was quorom present and called for the vote. Republicans present voted 151 aye and 3 nay, Democrats present voted 46 aye and 52 nay.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

Bush is preparing to sign the bill

[RuffhouseFarm]

Now W needs to sign it and then they need to go wake up a judge in the 11th Circuit. Maybe they should wait until morning. :D

I'm sure Felos is ready to file in federal court to declare the law unconstitutional just as he did with Terri's Law when Jeb got it passed in FL in '03.

So we're not out of the woods yet but just getting it into federal court is helpful because of the procedural review of Greer's actions. Evidence that he ignored or made ethically questionable decisions on can be introduced.

[EveningStar]

I'm not sure if this is really a victory. What if the Federal judge sides with the Florida judges?

[Rink]

On the vote, "On motion to suspend the Rules and pass" :

This is the final voting
======================

Republican = YEA - 153; NAY - 3; Pres NV - 75

Democrats = YEA - 46; NAY - 52; Pres NV - 104

Independent = YEA - 0; NAY - 0; Pres NV - 1

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Totals = YEA - 200; NAY - 55; Pres NV - 180

[Rink]

Will this mean the feeding tube will be re-inserted?

[RuffhouseFarm]

He'll still have to review the case. That's important. It puts the batteries in the flashlight needed to shine light on the case.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

I'm sure Felos is ready to file in federal court to declare the law unconstitutional just as he did with Terri's Law when Jeb got it passed in FL in '03.



But as this simply gives standing to the federal courts, it's a different kind of law, so, hopefully, it will have a better chance of surviving scrutiny by the courts

[RuffhouseFarm]

Will this mean the feeding tube will be re-inserted?

Not necessarily, but there's a good chance.

[MichaelS]

Let the abuse of power, dismissal of individual wishes, and the rejection of states' rights roll on.

[MichaelS]

Question: Since our state courts are now moot, does that mean I can disregard all but federal laws? Forget pulling over for anyone but a U.S. Marshall, since the states and local jurisdictions have no authority.

[FatherTime]

Let the abuse of power, dismissal of individual wishes, and the rejection of states' rights roll on.

You mean the Death Penalty for murderous bastards who snipe people at gas stations?

surely you are not refering to a woman who has been mis-diagnosed 2 times by doctors who NEVER EVEN TREATED HER!!!

Why are you so eager to kill an innocent woman?

Maybe cause you support unlimited euthenasia?
(try starting with yourself...see how that goes, then get back to us)

[EveningStar]

Will this mean the feeding tube will be re-inserted?

The Federal judge will most likely side with the previous rulings: stare decisis

However, there is always a chance.

Actually, I'm not sure if this qualifies as stare decisis.

Lawyers? Where are you? ;)

[AZScreamingEagle]

Individual wishes???

WHOSE??????

Oh you mean Michael's, who must be really uncomfortable right
now..........I mean him and his whore of a woman Jodi, whose bed
he has been in for the last decade while his WIFE has been in a
hospital bed.............things must look bleak for him?

For States rights


HOW ABOUT THE RIGHTS TO LIFE AND LIBERTY??? AREN'T THOSE
SLIGHTLY IMPORTANT??

ABUSE OF POWER? This is a decision by the governing, ELECTED
body of the UNITED STATES to err on the side of caution, in the
situation of a woman where her entire family BUT her adulterer,
wife-beater and control-freak husband want her to LIVE.....


THIS IS ABOUT LIFE, NOT DEATH, ABOUT TRUE FREEDOM AND
CARING, NOT A NAZI-SOCIALIST PHILOSOPHY OF BEING EAGER TO
KILL A VERY-MUCH ALIVE WOMAN.

STUPID PRICK!

[RuffhouseFarm]

I'm not sure if this is really a victory. What if the Federal judge sides with the Florida judges?

Nobody said it was final victory. But it's certainly better than the present legal condition. It's a big step.

[RuffhouseFarm]

The Federal judge will most likely side with the previous rulings: stare decisis

However, there is always a chance.

Actually, I'm not sure if this qualifies as stare decisis.

Lawyers? Where are you? ;)

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you mean stare decisis. I think you mean res judicata.

Stare decisis is about precedent. Res judicata is about a case already being decided.

[RuffhouseFarm]

Question: Since our state courts are now moot, does that mean I can disregard all but federal laws? Forget pulling over for anyone but a U.S. Marshall, since the states and local jurisdictions have no authority.

This legislation doesn't make state courts moot. It just means one crooked judge might have his ass gone over with a fine-toothed comb. :thumb: :prolife:

[RuffhouseFarm]

Let the abuse of power, dismissal of individual wishes, and the rejection of states' rights roll on.

Huh? I realize you're in pain right now, but must you be so dramatic?

[Wolfcounsel]

"Let the abuse of power, dismissal of individual wishes, and the rejection of states' rights roll on." --MichaelS


This is about stopping the cold-blooded murder of an innocent person, incapacitated or otherwise! This is not about handing out a death sentence to some sonofab*tch who desperately needs to be drawn and quartered. Could it be, anti-life faggots are against it because this may bring the focus onto the cold-blooded murder of the unborn?:flame:

[Rink]

hey MichaelS hows it feel to side with those hell-bent on introducing into America Euthanasia?

Hows it feel like to be sided with people who are hell-bend on violating this woman's Constitutional and civil rights just so they can push in a Precedence-setting judicial ruling with terry schiavo's death?

hey MichaelS, hows it feel to be a whiney Pro-death advocate who now is whining and mewling pathetically to the hilltops over the upholding of terry schiavo's rights?

All the lies said on the House floor was a disgrace to the democrat party

[MichaelS]

What this is about is political grandstanding by the Republicans for a political poster child and the establishment of a precedent that any single person can petition the United States Congress for redress on any individual case if that individual feels he or she did not get a fair shake by the state judiciary.

Do you really think all of those Reps at the mic really care about Terri as an individual? C'mon. Several of them couldn't even pronounce her name. Sensenbrenner couldn't get Terri's name right or her parents. Yet they claim to be such experts on the case in a few days (as some on this board do) that they can offhand dismiss seven years of court proceedings at the state and federal level.

Here's the irony.

The Reps just netted millions and millions of dollars for lawyers around the country (and we know how Reps LOVE lawyers) and increased the documented declarations of desires for death in such cases exponentially.

[AZScreamingEagle]

"Disgrace to the Democratic Party."

Um.....you're reaching there........I confidently felt that everything
they said and preached tonight, including the so-called "preacher" was
right on target with their core philosophy and ideals.......they revealed
their a$$es even further to the general American public tonight....

good luck in 2006 is all I gotta say to that, especially that one butt-ugly
Cruella De Ville looking woman from Florida..........I wonder if she has
ever been offered the role of Medua before???????????

[MichaelS]

Heck, Renzi was so blatantly grandstanding and politicking he addressed the majority of his comments to the C-SPAN CAMERA!

[Wolfcounsel]

And the anti-life babble continues. Screw that. It's beddy-bye time.:wish4Z:

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

Bush has signed the bill

[Rink]

GOOD!

[RuffhouseFarm]

Heck, Renzi was so blatantly grandstanding and politicking he addressed the majority of his comments to the C-SPAN CAMERA!

You've morphed from fighting against desperation to wallowing in desperation.

:prolife:

[RuffhouseFarm]

You mean the Death Penalty for murderous bastards who snipe people at gas stations?

surely you are not refering to a woman who has been mis-diagnosed 2 times by doctors who NEVER EVEN TREATED HER!!!

Why are you so eager to kill an innocent woman?

Maybe cause you support unlimited euthenasia?
(try starting with yourself...see how that goes, then get back to us)

LMAO

[RuffhouseFarm]

"Disgrace to the Democratic Party."

Um.....you're reaching there........I confidently felt that everything
they said and preached tonight, including the so-called "preacher" was
right on target with their core philosophy and ideals.......they revealed
their a$$es even further to the general American public tonight....

good luck in 2006 is all I gotta say to that, especially that one butt-ugly
Cruella De Ville looking woman from Florida..........I wonder if she has
ever been offered the role of Medua before???????????

LMAO.

[Warlady]

The pro-states rights folks today were all for the federal government stepping in when their abortion rights were being taken away by states. I'm pro-states rights myself but we have a runaway judiciary in Florida.

[EveningStar]

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you mean stare decisis. I think you mean res judicata.

Stare decisis is about precedent. Res judicata is about a case already being decided.

I hadn't heard that term. I'll try to remember it. Thanks.

[Rink]

The pro-states rights folks today were all for the federal government stepping in when their abortion rights were being taken away by states. I'm pro-states rights myself but we have a runaway judiciary in Florida.

Brenda I too am another pro-states rights person, but I have to agree with you here on this, that we as a nation are suffering from judicial activisms abuse.

The judges in this nation MUST be limited soon, or we will end up under a judicial tyranny.

This was what our Founding fathers of this nation feared most, an unaccountable unelected judiciary ruling from the bench, they argued this in the 'debates on the Constitution' I have the two volume book over their debates and many arguments they had echo our fights today.

scary isnt it how well they understood the judiciary 200+ years ago.

[RuffhouseFarm]

[MichaelS]What this is about is political grandstanding by the Republicans for a political poster child and the establishment of a precedent that any single person can petition the United States Congress for redress on any individual case if that individual feels he or she did not get a fair shake by the state judiciary.

~~Isn't that what happened in Roe v. Wade? What's the matter, Mikey? Don't you lefties like being hoisted on your own petards?

[MichaelS]Do you really think all of those Reps at the mic really care about Terri as an individual? C'mon. Several of them couldn't even pronounce her name. Sensenbrenner couldn't get Terri's name right or her parents. Yet they claim to be such experts on the case in a few days (as some on this board do) that they can offhand dismiss seven years of court proceedings at the state and federal level.

~~I don't think all of them care deeply about her, but some care a lot. I think most of them care a great deal about the injustice taking place against her. Several Democrats didn't pronounce her name correctly either, but you didn't mention that. Or is it okay that they mispronounced her name because they CLEARLY want her to die and do it quickly?

[MichaelS]Here's the irony.

The Reps just netted millions and millions of dollars for lawyers around the country (and we know how Reps LOVE lawyers) and increased the documented declarations of desires for death in such cases exponentially.

~~Good. Then maybe they'll come to their senses and start voting Republican. But expect a revision in those forms, because they typically don't include an opt-out of a death sentence from a subjective doctor. I sure won't sign one. We'll have our own drawn up.

By the way, I meant to ask you. How much do you think the hospice will make on Terri's organs?

[MichaelS]

[MichaelS]What this is about is political grandstanding by the Republicans for a political poster child and the establishment of a precedent that any single person can petition the United States Congress for redress on any individual case if that individual feels he or she did not get a fair shake by the state judiciary.

~~Isn't that what happened in Roe v. Wade? What's the matter, Mikey? Don't you lefties like being hoisted on your own petards?

[MichaelS]Do you really think all of those Reps at the mic really care about Terri as an individual? C'mon. Several of them couldn't even pronounce her name. Sensenbrenner couldn't get Terri's name right or her parents. Yet they claim to be such experts on the case in a few days (as some on this board do) that they can offhand dismiss seven years of court proceedings at the state and federal level.

~~I don't think all of them care deeply about her, but some care a lot. I think most of them care a great deal about the injustice taking place against her. Several Democrats didn't pronounce her name correctly either, but you didn't mention that. Or is it okay that they mispronounced her name because they CLEARLY want her to die and do it quickly?

[MichaelS]Here's the irony.

The Reps just netted millions and millions of dollars for lawyers around the country (and we know how Reps LOVE lawyers) and increased the documented declarations of desires for death in such cases exponentially.

~~Good. Then maybe they'll come to their senses and start voting Republican. But expect a revision in those forms, because they typically don't include an opt-out of a death sentence from a subjective doctor. I sure won't sign one. We'll have our own drawn up.

By the way, I meant to ask you. How much do you think the hospice will make on Terri's organs?

Roe v. Wade was specifically chosen by the USCC. Even your ole Rushie pointed that out. The USCC has already reviewed this case on more than one occasion and declined to interject themselves in the state's jurisdiction.

And, no I specifically did not point out those opposed to the legislation who mispronounced Terri's name, though I did note it. They are not the ones pushing it. If you're going to convene an emergency session of Congress for the sake of one person, I have to say the onus of justification falls on those petitioning for passage.

As for the hospice and Terri's organs, you really are stretching aren't you?

[RuffhouseFarm]

The issue of organs was raised by some doctor being interviewed. It wasn't my idea. But it's still a valid question. That's probably why you don't want to answer. Anyway your spin has become repetitive and transparent which means you've become a bore too so I'll see ya later.

[MichaelS]

The issue of organs was raised by some doctor being interviewed. It wasn't my idea. But it's still a valid question. That's probably why you don't want to answer. Anyway your spin has become repetitive and transparent which means you've become a bore too so I'll see ya later.

I've gotta give you credit RFH, you do make me laugh.

[american kid]

What will probably happen is the federal judge will order the tube re-inserted while he reviews the case. Then he will reach a final decision (which will be protested by somebody, considering how this case has gone so far).

[Warlady]

I hope you're right kid.