American Majority Want Tube Left Out?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I just heard Judy Woodruff assert that the majority of Americans (67%) would vote for the tube to REMAIN out . . . in other words, for her to be left to die of starvation and dehydration.

Does ANYBODY really believe this??? I am going to check the CNN website to find out where she is getting these numbers from.

[Rink]

Nope its grandstanding at its best for Euthanasia

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

Think about it. The details of the case haven't been made clear by the media. And as most of the recent events happened over the weekend, talk radio has just started to get the truth out. Most people assume it's a typical "pull the plug" and the person will die. They also think that Michael is a great husband. They don't realize that there is also a dispute about what Terri's wishes actually were.

Trust me, if the public were totally aware of both sides, then the poll would be at least 50/50, and more likely there would be a strong majority for putting the tube back in.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Maybe your right Thomas, but considering Ms. Woodruff did not produce the poll (visually) for the viewing and listening public, nor can I locate ANYWHERE on the CNN website where this poll exists, I am starting to have serious doubts about this. Not do mention, we don't know the exact wording the the poll question asked . . . anybody can skew anything anyway they want, if they but use the right words!


To say this blatantly, as fact, to a wide viewing audience is akin to aiding and abetting murder, in my opinion. Americans will hear it, assume they are on the "wrong" side of the issue, and jump on the bandwagon of death, without ever KNOWING the facts and pertinent issues.

[american kid]

HS is absolutly right. Wording is everything.

[Wolfcounsel]

Polls are like flies. They eat poopoo and bother people.

[DemonRat]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101826,00.html

In case y'all are curious, here are some poll results from FOX News...

[MichaelS]

Don't know about the CNN poll, but here's a reference to a similar poll by FOX News conducted at the beginning of March.

I will argue neither in support or against the results of the poll. It's a poll. Take it for what it's worth.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149433,00.html

Not the question posed at the top of the thread, but close...

If you were in Terri Schiavo's place, what would you want your guardian
to do? Would you have your guardian remove the feeding tube or keep the
feeding tube inserted?

Remove Keep (Not sure)
1-2 Mar 05 74% 15 11
Parents 72% 17 11
Non-parents 75% 14 12
Married 74% 14 12
Unmarried 74% 16 10

[Warlady]

This isn't the first time a poll has been skewed due to lack of information. Don't put any stock in a poll where 95% of those polled don't know jack shit about all the facts in the case. Because if they did they would vote differently. It's silly to take a poll like this seriously but our judges do unfortunately.

[UnkHiram]

I have not stated my thoughts on this subject for the simple reason that they have not crystalized one way or the other. However, I dont belive the poll. I cant believe that the majority of Americans would be in favor of starving any living creature to death.

[MichaelS]

Some additional polling information. Once again, take it for what it's worth.

Poll: No Role for Government in Schiavo Case (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=599622&page=1)

Excerpt:
Americans broadly and strongly disapprove of federal intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, with sizable majorities saying Congress is overstepping its bounds for political gain.

The public, by 63 percent-28 percent, supports the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, and by a 25-point margin opposes a law mandating federal review of her case. Congress passed such legislation and President Bush signed it early today.

That legislative action is distinctly unpopular: Not only do 60 percent oppose it, more — 70 percent — call it inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way. And by a lopsided 67 percent-19 percent, most think the elected officials trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.

This ABC News poll also finds that the Schiavo case has prompted an enormous level of personal discussion: Half of Americans say that as a direct result of hearing about this case, they've spoken with friends or family members about what they'd want done if they were in a similar condition. Nearly eight in 10 would not want to be kept alive.

[LadyHawk108]

The AOL poll pretty much shows the same results as the CNN poll. If the poll is correct, Thomas is absolutely right that it's because the majority of people don't really know the details. They think she is in a coma and unable to even breathe on her own, in my opinion. I know everyone that I haven spoken to about it has no idea of the real truth.

[Warlady]

A poll is only worth anything if the people being polled are educated to all of the facts. Otherwise it's worthless. Sounds to me like Judy Woodruff and CNN are trying to influence the new judges decision.

[PrezLeefun]

Those polls are as accurate as polls can get. We are not in favor of the tube being removed, but we are in favor of her being allowed to die. At least by some other form. That is no way to live. Period.

[RuffhouseFarm]

It was a push poll. More omportant than that though is the question why. Why do a push poll on this?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Okay, if this was the poll question:

"If you were in Terri Schiavo's place, what would you want your guardian to do? Would you have your guardian remove the feeding tube or keep the feeding tube inserted?"

Then I have all the information I need to form my opinion and voice my concern.

First, the question is phrased to make it PERSONAL -- what would I want my guardian to do? This case is NOT about MY interpretation, or the interpretation of the people polled, as to what I/we consider an acceptable "quality of life."

A better question to ask would have been:

What do you believe the "right to life" should be based on?
A) quality of life
B) a person's independent ability to make life and death decisions
C) whether a person would be a financial drain on family, state or federal government
D) it is an unalienable right, and as such cannot be transfered, modified, or eliminated

Or . . . .

In absense of written proof of a person's wishes in regards to life support and extraordinary life extending measures, who should have the right to decide to terminate the person?

A) Spouse and/or Parents
B) Medical Professionals
C State and/or Federal (Judiciary)
D) No one. If there is no written instructions, nothing can be done to bring about the end to a person's life, as life always deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Second, this is a false scenario. The question is being ask of congizant people. In otherwords, they are asking people to second-guess a decision that we don't even know that Terri expressed an answer to. Barring physical (written) proof, it is impossible to know for sure what Terri's wishes in this case would be.

Third, They asked able-bodied people, presumably people who have NOT suffered any type of serious debilitating conditions. I would venture to say, and I mean this, if we were TRULY in a "bad" condition, most of us would STILL say we would rather be alive, than dead. I mean, I would NEVER want my Father to suffer, he suffered enough, but I would give ANYTHING to have just ONE MORE DAY with him.

If the media can blatantly accuse Republicans of political grandstanding, they are at LEAST as culpable for promoting an overly, and overtly, pro-death appearance in their broadcasts. CNN is absolutely despicable, disgusting, and beyond words, in this respect.

[TSawyer2112]

Those polls are as accurate as polls can get. We are not in favor of the tube being removed, but we are in favor of her being allowed to die. At least by some other form. That is no way to live. Period.

By some other form?!!! The only way she is "being allowed to die" is by removal of the feeding tube. Otherwise all of her organs are functioning. So if not by starvation, what is your bright idea as a means for executing the helpless?!!! If you can't think of anything, I am sure you could find research on the topic dating back to the early 40s!

:soap:

[Melz]

If someone found a way into her room and shot her, would they be charged of murder? I guess that is considered "some other way." By removing the feeding tube, they have all but shot this young woman anyway :( Yet no one will be charged with a crime.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

:idea: Hey y'all, I think I have figured it out! http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/lightbulb.gifOkay, her husband is being backed by ACLU lawyers and right-to-die activists, right? See if this makes sense (it SURE does to me!) The REASON they jumped on board with Michael Schiavo is they REALLY need this case to further their cause, and here's why.

They desparately need for Terri to die by starvation and dehydration. They will (more than likely) document her descent (on film, written record, or both). This will PROVE that starvation and dehydration are in actuality NOT ideal, peaceful and dignified ways to die. They will have an "epiphany" from this, and USE it to PUSH for the introduction of doctor assisted suicide by injection, as a MORE ideal, peaceful, humane way to allow someone who is "beyond help" to die with dignity. That is why THIS particular case is so important -- to them -- to help foster in the culture of death which was begun in 1973 with Roe v.Wade.

[Rink]

:idea: Hey y'all, I think I have figured it out! http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/lightbulb.gifOkay, her husband is being backed by ACLU lawyers and right-to-die activists, right? See if this makes sense (it SURE does to me!) The REASON they jumped on board with Michael Schiavo is they REALLY need this case to further their cause, and here's why.

They desparately need for Terri to die by starvation and dehydration. They will (more than likely) document her descent (on film, written record, or both). This will PROVE that starvation and dehydration are in actuality NOT ideal, peaceful and dignified ways to die. They will have an "epiphany" from this, and USE it to PUSH for the introduction of doctor assisted suicide by injection, as a MORE ideal, peaceful, humane way to allow someone who is "beyond help" to die with dignity. That is why THIS particular case is so important -- to them -- to help foster in the culture of death which was begun in 1973 with Roe v.Wade.

OMG Home what you've said is so chillingly scarey because its a Real possibility!

OMW

Girl that scares me.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

OMG Home what you've said is so chillingly scarey because its a Real possibility!

OMW

Girl that scares me.

Want to know what's more chilling? The American public is being made complicit in this very action. Think of the polls -- majority of Americans "would not want to live this way," "would want their guardian to allow them to die with dignity," etc. They are playing the public like a violin with the MSM's help and assistance.

Not only does this make perfect sense, but it seems to be playing out -- all you have to do is watch the telly, listen to the raido, read the papers and editorial pages.

BTW, I couldn't BELIEVE that Neal Boortz is supporting the right-to-die'ers. If anybody, I thought at least HE would have a level head about this, being a conservative-type lawyer. Shame on you Boortz!

[Rink]

If this woman dies I think a Judgement upon this nation will be had, and God will care only for the individuals anymore within the borders of this nation, not this nation itself.

And we as a nation I'm afraid will have earned God's wrath

and that makes me sad.

[Apollo5600]

**** the Majority

We are not a mobacracy, we have certian unalienable rights such as the right to LIFE. Where in the hell is the right to kill yourself? Where is the right to kill the unborn? Where is the right to kill Terri based on the word of her husband? Why is it that they are rushing to kill her? Whatever happened to Innocent before proven guilty? Whatever happened to the value of a human life?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: I would hope that God would not judge our entire nation. After all, our Republican-led congress & our President have all tried to intervene. As long as God sees that there are righteous people in authority trying to save Terri, I think He'll have patience on us. Although, He might not be too pleased with the demonicrats, or the activist judges.

[Peachdiane]

Homes, I have met Neal. Some of his remarks suprised me and came across as not conservative. He has very libertarian views. I'm not sure what libertarians believe in general but I think they have pro-Kevorkian views.

[Warlady]

Home I think you're right about the leftwingers. Although I doubt that's the motive for Michael. I think he just wants the trust fund and insurance money and to be free to marry. I just heard that he's a Catholic and so divorce for him was not an option. He's not a Senator ya know.

[Warlady]

I'm afraid these polls are affecting these judges' decisions. I don't believe they should poll people when someone's life is at stake because they don't give people all of the facts.

[CzechPrince]

Home I think you're right about the leftwingers. Although I doubt that's the motive for Michael. I think he just wants the trust fund and insurance money and to be free to marry. I just heard that he's a Catholic and so divorce for him was not an option. He's not a Senator ya know.

:hissyfit:Warlady that's pathetic if he is truly using Catholicism to say he cannot get a divorce. You CAN get a divorce in the Church, he could also get one in court, separate from the church, which is what Terri's parents need right now. The Church has nothing to with this. You can divorce in the church by getting an annulment, my uncle did when he and my ex-aunt divorced, it's not like it takes money to obtain.

[Warlady]

HS, I bet most people they polled don't even know what "unalienable right" means. I bet if they were asked what Terri's condition is they would say she's brain dead or in a coma. That's why Congress asked the federal courts to review the FACTS of this case not the law and they aren't doing that. All the facts concerning her husband's treatment of her needs to be reviewed from day one. I'm beginning to question the Schindler's lawyer's competency.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Home I think you're right about the leftwingers. Although I doubt that's the motive for Michael. I think he just wants the trust fund and insurance money and to be free to marry. I just heard that he's a Catholic and so divorce for him was not an option. He's not a Senator ya know.

Oh I agree, Warlady! The marriage of Michael Schiavo and the ACLU/pro-death'ers is mutually beneficial. Michael gets to kill his wife, with financial support and philosophical backing, and the ACLU/pro-death'ers get a cause with which to use to rally others to their side.

Okay, I have a question ... why can't President Bush issue some kind of Pardon/Executive Order or something to over-ride everything and save her life?

[CzechPrince]

Warlady did u see my post? I feel like often when I respond to you I beleive you have missed them.

[DesertFox]

Liberals want Terry to die because it supports their stand on abortion, which is based wholly on convenience. It isn't convenient for Michael Schiavo for her to continue to live, and we've heard for years about the importance of "quality of life."

They won't recant because they don't need to. All they need do is home in on Prez's attitude -- "that ain't no life! that ain't no way to live!" THAT is the important decision. HOW somebody dies is immaterial to liberals.

All they really need is to have the press in their corner, which they do, in order that Americans not know the facts. Press silence has done the heavy lifting here.

[Warlady]

Yes Czech, I read your post. Sorry I'm so slow to respond. I know he can get a divorce but many devout Catholics don't believe in it.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

I just heard that he's a Catholic and so divorce for him was not an option.

:smirky: Divorce is out, but murder is in? I'm sure the irony is lost on Michael Schiavo.

[UnkHiram]

Homes

President Bush can not issue a pardon because Terri has not been convicted of anything. This is not a legal execution it is a legal murder.

[Warlady]

Moo, he's not the first person to kill their spouse for money. He's just the first one that I know of who committed it with the courts blessing. I've come to the conclusion that Judge Greer feels as Doc Doom does about Terri and that her life isn't worth living and so he's allowing hearsay. That is just wrong. Also, I think the poll question that should be asked if they have to take a poll on Terri is "Do you believe it is right to starve Terri to death?". I believe they would have gotten a very different result. Not that they wanted that result. They got the one they were after.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Homes

President Bush can not issue a pardon because Terri has not been convicted of anything. This is not a legal execution it is a legal murder.

Unk,
Please forgive my ignorance on this, I really don't know . . . is there a place (website, legal document, etc.) I can go to see what the President's powers of pardon are, what they consist of, etc.?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

...Judge Greer feels as Doc Doom does about Terri and that her life isn't worth living...

:duh: Our DoctorDoom? I must have missed that. That disappoints me.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

:duh: Our DoctorDoom? I must have missed that. That disappoints me.

In Doc's defense, while I vehemently disagree with his take on this, I believe he is motivated out of a compassionate heart and veiwing her condition much as has been portrayed by the MSM. I do NOT believe he thinks she should be starved and dehydrated to death (although now I am just speculating, as I rely on all the intent I have seen in his other posts for as long as I have been at FC.)

I think, as a father too, his heart is grieved by the thought of a loved one perceived to be in such a condition (tormented, suffering, and in pain of some sort). At least, I know that is what MY HEART feels. My head, however, tells me this is NOT about me and my feelings on the issue, but is instead about point of fact, law, reason, logic, and rationality -- none of which have been applied by the judiciary, and most specifically Judge Greer.

I may be the only one, but as gut-wrenching and emotionally anguishing it is for me to know that Doc is on the other side of the aisle on this one, I will defend his right to believe and feel that way because I believe his motivations are genuine, not contrived as is Michael Schiavo's, Judge Greer's, the ACLU, and the pro-death'ers backing this case. I believe it was very honorable of him to bow out of this discussion.

I hope I have not come across in a wrong way about this, it's just my feeling.

Still love me?? LOL

[UnkHiram]

Unk,
Please forgive my ignorance on this, I really don't know . . . is there a place (website, legal document, etc.) I can go to see what the President's powers of pardon are, what they consist of, etc.?

Homes

The Prez's Pardon powers are outlined in the Constitution. He has the power to pardon anyone convicted of anything on any level ---- No quesions asked. A good site to explain his powers and a bit of history is http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa022501a.htm

[UnkHiram]

Oops I left out the exception, he Cannot pardon anyone that has been impeached from office

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Homes

The Prez's Pardon powers are outlined in the Constitution. He has the power to pardon anyone convicted of anything on any level ---- No quesions asked. A good site to explain his powers and a bit of history is http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa022501a.htm

I sound stupid now, don't I? LOL You know, I KNEW he had it, knew basically what it was, and knew somewhere in the Cosntitution it said so, but I didn't know exactly if the entire scope of ability was layed out there or somewhere else. I really am not THAT ignorant, I hope I didn't come across that way :icon126: (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=61#).

I can see somewhere down the line some liberal troll finding this and using it to post against me, LOL.

[UnkHiram]

Homes

Dont sweat it. We cant all know everything about everything (With the exception of Doc Doom). The only reason I have some familiarity with the Pardon powers is because I did some research on it with my kid a few years ago for a school paper on Nixon.

[Warlady]

Home, Doc believes she should be allowed to die. How else can they accomplish it?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Home, Doc believes she should be allowed to die. How else can they accomplish it?

I know Warlady, I just think he is allowing himself to be blinded by all the "stuff" out there . . . the words. I know what it's like to have a deep compassionate heart, my sweet, sweet daughter has one. She can be so blinded by feeling that she fails to use reason. I can most certainly believe he doesn't want Terri to suffer, as any father would not -- I think he doesn't understand that she wasn't. I reference this kind of thing in another thread, talking about how wordsmiths know how to use words to paint a picture. I think his heart fell pray to this kind of thing, and it over-ruled his head/reason.

Course, I may be completely speaking out of turn, I don't know. I just got that feeling -- most especially from all the passion he puts into so many other delicate issues like this (anti-abortion, for one).

I think we would all agree at this point, the most humane thing to do would be to give her an injection and REALLY put her out of her misery, pain, and suffering. My heard is breaking into pieces over this, it really, really, is. I think no focus on an issue, in a very long time, has divided a nation so deeply as this one. I know in my own family, there are those who are adamantly siding with the pro-death crowd, and it's grieving my heart so thoroughly.

[ThomasIsUnderrated]

No, why would I agree to that? The most humane thing would be to rush her to a hospital and get her back on food and water.