It's now up to Jeb!

[The_Elucidator]

Supreme Court Won't Hear Schiavo Case



WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court on Thursday refused to order Terri Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted, rejecting a desperate appeal by her parents to keep their severely brain-damaged daughter alive.

The decision, announced in a terse one-page order, marked the end of a dramatic and disheartening four-day dash through the federal court system by Bob and Mary Schindler.

Justices did not explain their decision, which was at least the fifth time they have declined to get involved in the Schiavo case. The feeding tube that has been keeping Schiavo alive at a hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., was removed last Friday. Doctors at the time said that unless it is reinserted she will die in a week or two.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050324/D891E1000.html

[Melz]

yep once more, the plea for life has been rejected:

http://treets.whiotv.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=50903555&t=1 (http://treets.whiotv.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=50903555&t=1)

[DesertFox]

If Jeb acts decisively, the 08 presidency will be his for the asking.

[terri]

If Jeb acts decisively, the 08 presidency will be his for the asking.

What can he do? I thought all his options were exhausted. Hope I'm wrong. Please respond quick.

[Warlady]

I don't know Fox. Not if you read the polls. Of course I find it hard to believe them. Most people aren't like us Freecers who make it our business to read all of the facts of a case and then make an informed decision. Most people see her as a vegetable that can be thrown out with yesterday's garbage. Jeb Bush's lawyer was on Fox and Friends this morning and he made a very good suggestion. He was asked if he thought the laws should be changed where a spouse doesn't have guardianship over the other spouse. He said no that shouldn't ever change but if one spouse moves on and throws the marriage away then yes that spouse should lose their guardianship rights. I concur.

[Warlady]

Terri, Gov Bush has asked the Adult Protective Services to appeal to Judge Greer requesting she be turned over to the state. He is supposed to rule on that appeal by 12 noon EST. I wouldn't hold my breath. I think it's over.

[DesertFox]

We need a Conservative to stand up and act like a Conservative with convictions. If the judiciary can act beyond bounds, then so can the executive branch. And in case of such a conflict, the news would eventually get out about what's actually happening to Terri Schiavo.

[Wyatt_Junker]

I would employ the use of strategic karate on certain individuals, but perhaps that's just old reruns of the A Team babblin' in my subconscious.

[Liberty2000]

Not only should the government get out of a family's business, but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system. Just because society has the power to keep someone alive beyonds Gods plan does nto mean we should use it. This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years. She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state. They are driving up medical costs for everyone. The parents want to keep her alive for their own selfish needs, they need to let everyone move on with their lives.

[Warlady]

Fox, Greer is supposed to be a conservative. I don't think this issue is a left or right issue. There was a liberal in a wheel chair protesting to save Terri.

[DesertFox]

It's mainly Left or Right, WL. It's the abortion issue in different guise. Somebody wants to kill somebody and get away with it.

[Warlady]

I agree but it crosses party lines too. Not all Democrats are pro-abortion and not all conservatives are pro-life. Just like a lot of Democrats voted for the Terri bill and a few Republicans voted against it. Yes the far left is definitely pro-death culture where the right is mostly pro-life but this is more a moral issue than a political one. That's my take on it anyway.

[Melz]

"but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system."

I suspect no one has commented on this as to keep with the subject of the thread, or because there are no words to describe what should be said in response to this poster.

[Antigone]

"but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system."

I suspect no one has commented on this as to keep with the subject of the thread, or because there are no words to describe what should be said in response to this poster.

The latter of the two options.

[DeclinetoState]

Not only should the government get out of a family's business, but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system. Just because society has the power to keep someone alive beyonds Gods plan does nto mean we should use it. This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years. She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state. They are driving up medical costs for everyone. The parents want to keep her alive for their own selfish needs, they need to let everyone move on with their lives.

Liberal2000, since you're obviously in a vegetative state, do us all a favor and kick the bucket now.

You wouldn't happen to be an ex-RC priest in Canada, would you?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

"but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system."

I suspect no one has commented on this as to keep with the subject of the thread, or because there are no words to describe what should be said in response to this poster.

No Melz,
Most members have chosen not to respond to this particular post because we recognize it for what it is. Typical troll behavior. Drop a power-bomb to rile up the regulars, then run for the hills so they do not have to defend their drivel and can satisfy their minds that the "won" because they had the last word.

Wait until you see a post of more substance and at the very least where the poster hangs around long enough to read and respond to rebuttals.

[jag]

Not only should the government get out of a family's business, but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system. Just because society has the power to keep someone alive beyonds Gods plan does nto mean we should use it. This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years. She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state. They are driving up medical costs for everyone. The parents want to keep her alive for their own selfish needs, they need to let everyone move on with their lives.

We have a moron here, hoo-ahh

[Warlady]

Not only should the government get out of a family's business, but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system. Just because society has the power to keep someone alive beyonds Gods plan does nto mean we should use it. This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years. She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state. They are driving up medical costs for everyone. The parents want to keep her alive for their own selfish needs, they need to let everyone move on with their lives.

The ONLY reason I didn't respond to your post is because we posted at the same time and I flat out missed what you said. WTF is up with you? Is it your opinion that society should not be in the business of protecting those members who are defenseless among us? Is that what you are saying? If someone can't contribute to society they should be offed? Do you feel the entire medical profession should be done away with because they keep people alive longer? Are you a parent? Obviously not. Parents aren't selfish. To want to keep a child alive and comfortable until they are called home is not selfish. You sir, she, it have my permission to move on with your life. And in doing so get the hell out of here. You are not welcome at FC.

[Liberty2000]

What rebuttals? All I see is personal attacks on me, and I don't see the need to dignify those with a response. Why is letting people die a natural death so radical? the fact is that this person (and people like her) who will never recover should be left to pass on with dignity, and in the process free up the vast resources they use to help others who have no access to the health care system. That is my point and if someone would like to debate those points I will read them if an open mind and not resort to name calling.

[UnkHiram]

Not only should the government get out of a family's business,


Why do I suspect that if this was a debate about an abortion you would be screaming that The Court was correct in allowing any abortion any time


but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system.


You are a real paragon of compassion aren't you. Should we also start shooting all the old people on Social Security because they clog up the Medical system and cause taxes to go up?


Just because society has the power to keep someone alive beyonds Gods plan does nto mean we should use it.


I didnt realize you were an expert on Gods plans for Terri. Also, I thought one of the prime requirements of a society was to protect those that cannot protect themselves?


This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years.


Name one person that was denied medical attention because of Terri!



She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state. They are driving up medical costs for everyone.


So its a matter of dollars and cents. Please tell me just how much is too much money to save a human life?


The parents want to keep her alive for their own selfish needs, they need to let everyone move on with their lives.

And the Husband just wants to MURDER her for his own financial and selfish needs, How about he just grants the divorce and allows everyone to move on with their lives INCLUDING Terri.

[Warlady]

What rebuttals? All I see is personal attacks on me, and I don't see the need to dignify those with a response. Why is letting people die a natural death so radical? the fact is that this person (and people like her) who will never recover should be left to pass on with dignity, and in the process free up the vast resources they use to help others who have no access to the health care system. That is my point and if someone would like to debate those points I will read them if an open mind and not resort to name calling.

You should be attacked and attacked often. You deserve to be attacked. There are cases where people have awoken from coma's and similar head injuries like strokes 20 years later. Letting someone die is one thing. Forcing them to die is another. Dying of starvation against someone's will is not dying with dignity. How is this case any different from say a person getting off death row after 20 years thanks to new DNA technology? Free up resources? How do you put a price on a life? You are a selfish, pathetic, piece of shit. I sure hope you aren't a Republican. Please tell me you aren't.

[Taylor]

I'm sure if there was something else Jeb Bush could do that was legal, he would do it. If he could send in the Florida Nation Guard, he would so it. I don't think the courts should decide someone's fate. As a disabled individual, this case makes me glad I don't live in Florida. If I could spend the winter further south I would winter in the Arizona desert or in Texas.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

What rebuttals? All I see is personal attacks on me, and I don't see the need to dignify those with a response. Why is letting people die a natural death so radical? the fact is that this person (and people like her) who will never recover should be left to pass on with dignity, and in the process free up the vast resources they use to help others who have no access to the health care system. That is my point and if someone would like to debate those points I will read them if an open mind and not resort to name calling.

Okay, 2000, I will stand up to my words. I am the one whose post you are referring to. I observed you came and went in fast manner. I used that as evidence you were behaving in a manner as that of a typical troll. If I am wrong, I stand corrected and do apologize. If you have heartfelt meaning behind your words, I will rebut them.

Not only should the government get out of a family's business,

If government does not intervene, on either side or both, how would you suggest this otherwise be resolved?

but people like Shiavo are clogging up the medical system.

That's what all sick people do. They use up medical resources. Who would you suggest be caring for her, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? When you say "clogging up," do you mean taking up resources that might otherwise be used on similarly afflicted persons -- the care is type specific, a hospice worker works only on the dying, according to Michael Schiavo she WAS dying, and should therefore be allowed to continue dying. So the "medical personnel/professionals" working with Terri would be freed to work with other dying patients, how is she clogging up the medical system? What specific "medical system" do you refer to?

Just because society has the power to keep someone alive beyonds Gods plan does nto mean we should use it.

Oh this one is RIPE for rebuttal. Are you God? Do you enjoy the ear of God, He shares His plan with you? Really?

The only thing "keeping" Terri alive was food and water. If I withhold the same from you, will you live or die? She was NOT on ANY life supporting systems (i.e. equipment functioning as, and working for non-working, organs). Paraplegics cannot get spoon to mouth to feed themselves either, should they die because they require the medical intervention of a feeding tube, or a human assistant? Or is HER life specifically not worth the air she is breathing because she lives not the quality of life YOU ascribe worth living?

This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years.

Name one. I doubt that anyone would EVER re-use the feeding tube used for Terri, so that particular medical resources expended it's usefulness the first time it was inserted. Your's really is a ridiculous statement.

She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state.

Left to die, huh? How compassionate of you. It has not been determined without a shred of doubt that she IS in a vegetative state. Considering the brain is SUCH a complicated organ, and that we recognize that medicine is NOT an exact science, AND with the advent of technologies giving us evidence that what may have been true yesterday may not be today or tomorrow, seems to me one cannot be absolutely positive that she IS in a vegetative state. Nor do we have any specific knowledge, or way to ascertain any, that she doesn't feel, doesn't know what is going on with her and her body. We are supposed to protect the helpless, not kill them because of it.

They are driving up medical costs for everyone.

Well you TOTALLY got that one wrong. First, you can direct that energy toward Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer directly for this specific case. It was THEY who forced medicaid, i.e. the taxpayer, to fund Terri's care. A LARGE and substantial award was assessed as a result of a malpractice suit in reference to Terri. It was to be set aside for Terri's care. Somehow between the two of them, Greer and Schiavo cooked up a deal where that money is NOT being used for her care, but for legal fees, and the rest to line Schiavo's pocket, and anyone else he may need to pay off as a result.

Secondly, you should certainly support tort reform if you want to keep medical costs down. How about going after all the Personal Injury Lawyers while you're at it. Oh and let's not forget the "evil insurance companies". Your righteous indignation in this case is mislplaced, you need to redirect it to the REAL guilty party(ies).

The parents want to keep her alive for their own selfish needs, they need to let everyone move on with their lives.

If parental unconditional love qualifies as a selfish need, then I am guilty of the same in regards to my children. The one that needs to move on is Michael Schiavo. This could ALL be solved, if he would but divorce her and get on with his life he OBVIOUSLY has already created and has been living in WITHOUT Terri.

How about that for a rebuttal?

[Warlady]

Judge Greer has refused to allow Jeb Bush to have custody of Terri.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

This woman has been sucking up medical resources that shoiuld have gone to people who could have used it for 10 years. She should be left to die as should all people in a vegitative state.

:nutkick:

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Judge Greer has refused to allow Jeb Bush to have custody of Terri.

:unsmile: Jeb Bush should refuse to allow "Judge" Greer custody of Terri.

[Melz]

After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if judge Greer has threats made against his life even (don't take that as me saying that I am threatening his life, but the situational potential for others to do so is there). And if that happens, I am sure measures will be put in place to protect him. Even though he just sentenced an innocent woman to death. Go figure :(

[Warlady]

Governor Bush is appealing Greer's decision. I wish he would send in the National Guard.

[Liberty2000]

Hello,

If government does not intervene, on either side or both, how would you suggest this otherwise be resolved?

Next of kin, which i beleive is spouse, adult child then parents.


What specific "medical system" do you refer to?
Ans: the people, medicine, and bed space that is dedicated toward her.

Oh this one is RIPE for rebuttal. Are you God? Do you enjoy the ear of God, He shares His plan with you? Really?
Ans: No, i am not, No he does not. Just because one has the power to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do (like cloning).



If parental unconditional love qualifies as a selfish need, then I am guilty of the same in regards to my children. The one that needs to move on is Michael Schiavo. This could ALL be solved, if he would but divorce her and get on with his life he OBVIOUSLY has already created and has been living in WITHOUT Terri.

How about that for a rebuttal?
Ans: The parents know as well as you and I that she will never recover, they obviuosly have a lot of anger towards the son-in-law ( and maybe rightly so), but to keep their daughter's body alive while her mind/soul cannot move beyond seems selfish to me, perhaps I am not being sensitive to the immense pain they must feel. I'll give yoiu that one, my comment seems harsh and unfeeling and obviuosly not well thought out.

[Melz]

The parents have anger? THEY DO?? They are trying to keep her alive to spite the son in law??

Get over the consipiracy theory there skippy.

The parents know as well or you or I that she won't recover? Wanna give me the odds on that so I can go play the "life lottery" that some of you folks out there seem to be able to predict the numbers on?