WHY, WHY, WHY?

[Jim Sentry]

Why can a judge and jury convict a person of murder and then sentence them to death and then a Governor commute the sentence and sentence them to Life Imprisonment.

Why is a suicide victim, who leaves a note, is considered to have committed a crime.

Why is hearsay evidence not permitted in a capital murder case.

I can't see how the above behaviour can be considered acceptable and how in Terri's case she cannot have the Governor commute her sentence.

If she is going to die let her die naturally.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: If Governor Bush doesn't grow a spine & some balls in the next couple of days, he will break the hearts of conservatives all over the country. He can kiss his political future good-bye.

[Nutrider99]

What I want to know is this.

If Terri Schiavo is in a persistant vegatative state, and if Terri cannot swallow, and if she is being artificially kept alive by extrordinary means, then why are those who try to bring her water arrested?

This court has gone beyond ordering that the feeding tube be removed. This court ordered that Terri be murdered. If she can't swallow, then bringing her water woiuld do no good. If she CAN swallow, then we are looking at conspiracy to commit murder, first degree murder, and criminal violation of her civil rights.

The judiciary has run amok. We have a system of checks and balances in our government. Why is it that the judiciary can override both other branches? This is more than just an attempt to murdere a disabled woman for money. This is an attempt to subvert the US Constitution.

[Warlady]

I agree Nutrider and I don't understand it either. Those on the left are up in arms because of what Congress and Bush did as if they have never made laws due to out of control judges before. If Terri wanted an abortion they would be all for her rights. I swear this culture of death is disheartening. If they don't get you coming in with abortion they get you going out with euthenasia.

[Lighthouse_MIDI]

:unsmile: If Governor Bush doesn't grow a spine & some balls in the next couple of days, he will break the hearts of conservatives all over the country. He can kiss his political future good-bye.

We are now in the 7th day of starvation. IMHO, to reinsert the feeding tube now is more cruel than anything that has taken place so far.
Jeb has done enough from a practical sense.
Those that do not value life have won this one at Terri's expense.
It's time to move on and honor Terri's struggle as we look for ways to prevent
further situations like this one.

[Warlady]

Last time they removed her tube she went 2 weeks without it. I don't think it would be cruel to reinsert it now but starving her sure is. I agree that we will have to honor her and work towards ways to prevent this. I hope every state legislature will pass a law to protect our most defenseless citizens.

[Nutrider99]

I also want to know why the Terri Schiavo suit is being heard by the guy from the Capitol One commercial.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: The legislative & executive branches are apparently willing to forfeit their checks on the judiciary. If Orval Faubus could use the Arkansas national guard to keep negroes out of a white high school, then Governor Bush should be able to do the same to save Terri.

:unsmile: But, it doesn't stop there. Remember the Nevada Supreme Court ordering the state legislature to raise taxes? It would have been real simple for the lawmakers to pull an Andrew Jackson, & tell the court to try to call out the state troopers to have them all arrested. Instead, they raised taxes. And how about the Alabama Supreme Court taking away Chief Justice Moore's position? He had every right to tell the other eight to go screw themselves, since he was elected to that position. It is totally incomprehensible to me that so many in a position of authority are quick to allow a judge, or group of judges, to dictate to them. If it were me, I'd have a blast telling these judicial assholes to take long walks down short piers.

:unsmile: Maybe they're afraid that the liberal media will villainize them for trying. You can't blame them for that, but then, so what? I'd tell Peter Jennings & the rest to screw themselves, as well. If I were to go down in flames defying these jackals, at least I'd go down with a smile on my face. It's better to die standing, than to live on your knees.

[Warlady]

I also want to know why the Terri Schiavo suit is being heard by the guy from the Capitol One commercial.

Huh?

[SundaeDriver]

Nutrider:

She most likely can swallow. What happens to her saliva?

[Warlady]

In all fairness to Jeb Bush he said that when the legislature passed Terri's Law he and his entire legal team looked at the powers of the Governor of Florida and he said they are not as immense as people would believe or want them to be. Every state Governorship is different with different powers. I know everyone wants him to storm the gates like Clinton did with Elian but I'm not sure I want a Democrat to have that much power and I'm sure at some point a Democrat Gov will be elected. Only recently has Texas had Republican governors. I want him to rush in and save her too but I also want our elected officials to obey the law. I hate what the judiciary has done to this woman and her family. I hope bad things happen to Judge Greer but he will be judged by God. Of that I am certain. I don't expect anything can save Terri now but she will not have died in vain. Laws will be passed in her name.

[Melz]

WL ..he is talking about David Spade in the Capital One commercials who tells everyone "no" constantly. That is the only answer he ever gives when someone asks for something, he finds many different ways to say "No." I found nutrider's play on that amusing actually, as everyone keeps saying "no" to Terri without considering the factors of the case.

[DesertFox]

So we're back to Square One: Since when does a judge make law?

[Nutrider99]

So we're back to Square One: Since when does a judge make law?
When he is allowed to violate the Constitution.

[Warlady]

Thanks Melz. Now I get it.

[terri]

So we're back to Square One: Since when does a judge make law?

Large Sigh: Since now, I guess. God help her family. I can't imagine what this is doing to her parents. That SOB (Michale Schaivo) won't even honor Terri's parent's wishes and give them her body for burial. He plans cremation. And he has Terri's wishes at heart? If anybody on this board believes that, please get with me. Boy do I have a bridge to sell you.


:prolife:

[tacitus]

So we're back to Square One: Since when does a judge make law?

I believe they have been doing that for a very long time.

[Beowulf]

So we're back to Square One: Since when does a judge make law?
They don't. They just overturn laws they don't like.

[DesertFox]

Oh, they're actually making laws, Beo. Roe v. Wade was a law they made. During his hearings to be Attorney General, John Ashcroft said that Roe V. Wade is "settled law." When even he accepts it as such, it's such.

[Beowulf]

I guess they have more than one way to make them. Thanks for getting me straight.

[Nutrider99]

We are now in the 7th day of starvation. IMHO, to reinsert the feeding tube now is more cruel than anything that has taken place so far.
How could it be? This woman is in a persitent vegetative state, remember? She cannot think, react, feel pain or recognize others. Why Michael is there is beyond me, unless it is to make sure she dies. She is, after all, not mentally there- just a shell on life support. We could harvest her organs without anesthetic or abuse her any way we chose. After all, she is brain dead, right?

The problem is she is NOT. Michael knows it. The judge knows it. Her family knows it. EVERYONE knows it but liberals who don't give a damn about her life or lfe in general. To them this is just an opportunity to stick it to the Christian Right.

Jeb has done enough from a practical sense.
I don't recall Jeb Bush giving up.

They that do not value life have won this one at Terri's expense.
Not yet. She's still alive.

It's time to move on and honor Terri's struggle as we look for ways to prevent further situations like this one.
Wrong. It's time to take her into protective custody and file charges against Judge Greer and the other judge for contempt of congress. It's time to slam the brakes on the runaway judiciary and inform them that were are a Republic, not an oligarchy, and the elected representatives of the people make law, NOT judges.

[Warlady]

What a heartless bastard he is to not even allow her family to have her body once he murders her. I thought I had heard everything until I heard that this morning. Man once you're married your blood relatives lose all rights. I think if a spouse moves on to another relationship he or she should lose guardianship. That is the least our legislatures can do.

[Warlady]

Did you guys hear what Judge Whittemore said to the Schindler's lawyer yesterday when he called what is happening to Terri "murder"? The Judge called it "emotional rhetoric" and wouldn't allow it in his court. Wouldn't allow the truth in his court??????? And we wonder why this is happening? We have got to start electing our judges.

[Melz]

Well heck forbid they get emotional about trying to save the life of their daughter!

The Compassionate party my ass!

The truth is that Terri is being murdered. And this will set a precident. It is a precident which will come back and bite them in their asses though.

[Wolfcounsel]

If Congress makes it a law that all judges will be elected from now on, I want to see those black-robed faggots try to overturn it.

[Warlady]

Nutrider, oh how I wish you had been Terri's judge.

[Apollo5600]

Every state Governorship is different with different powers. I know everyone wants him to storm the gates like Clinton did with Elian but I'm not sure I want a Democrat to have that much power and I'm sure at some point a Democrat Gov will be elected

That's why we have the Second Amendment.
Checks and Balances.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: Wasn't Greer elected? That's what I understood from the thread that ThomasIsUnderrated started.

:unsmile: And look at how the Florida Supreme Court abused their power in 2000. Yet, every year, one or two of them have to submit to a state-wide referendum on whether or not they keep their jobs, & I haven't heard any of them beïng voted out. Surely, there are enough pissed off Republicans in Florida to vote "no" on those nitwits. Or, maybe there's not.

:unsmile: And what about those 8 asswipes in Alabama who kicked Roy Moore off the court? Will the voters of Alabama make them pay for that decision? I have yet to hear anything to that effect.

:unsmile: Electing judges won't change anything, unless people mobilize, & inform their friends about what's going on, & I don't see that happening.

[Warlady]

It has to be better than appointing them for life Moo which is what Federal Judges are. I don't know about Moore. It was a federal prosecutor who went after him.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

It has to be better than appointing them for life Moo which is what Federal Judges are.

:unsmile: They might as well be elected for life, if the voters aren't willing to vote them out, & people are more interested in watching Wheel of Fortune, than informing themselves as to how dangerous these judges are. In fact the Florida supremes are appointed for life, unless they are voted out on a referendum. I don't see that happening.

I don't know about Moore. It was a federal prosecutor who went after him.

:unsmile: That's not the point. It was the other eight "justices" on the supreme court that dismissed him from office, & I highly doubt that they had the authority to do so. But will the voters of Alabama notice? If that happened in Texas, I'd be campaigning for a new supreme court. Would anyone join me?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

What a heartless bastard he is to not even allow her family to have her body once he murders her.

:unsmile: This guy in no ordinary monster. Call me a religious loon, but I honestly believe this guy is demon-possessed.

:unsmile: On the positive side, if his hateful attitude gets out, it could swing public opinion against him. He obviously doesn't care how many people he enrages.

[Antigone]

What a heartless bastard he is to not even allow her family to have her body once he murders her.

Much easier to hide the evidence if there cannot be an autopsy. Judge Greer is the one that ruled he could cremate her. Hell could not open up and swallow this man fast enough for me. :flame:

[Warlady]

Good point Moo.

[Warlady]

:unsmile: They might as well be elected for life, if the voters aren't willing to vote them out, & people are more interested in watching Wheel of Fortune, than informing themselves as to how dangerous these judges are. In fact the Florida supremes are appointed for life, unless they are voted out on a referendum. I don't see that happening.



:unsmile: That's not the point. It was the other eight "justices" on the supreme court that dismissed him from office, & I highly doubt that they had the authority to do so. But will the voters of Alabama notice? If that happened in Texas, I'd be campaigning for a new supreme court. Would anyone join me?

Oh absolutely. But I still think electing judges is the best way to go. At least that way the people HAVE a CHOICE.

[Melz]

The people in Florida just seem to make bad decisions when it comes to electing these judges. Then again, I recall that a good many of them had trouble with the simple task of voting at one point, maybe they keep thinking they are electing someone else??

[Warlady]

LOL. I do feel sorry for the conservatives in Florida. We have problems here in Texas too. We have our nuts but I thank God everyday that I live here. We may not be perfect but we're as close as you can get.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

LOL. I do feel sorry for the conservatives in Florida.

Thank you, Warlady, we conservatives down here in Flori-duh need all the concern we can get.

Just to interject a bit, I may be one small lone voter, but I DO investigate the judges that come up for review, and MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY times have I voted to oust the jerks. But alas, again, I am but one voter. I DO know we have a very LARGE constituency of homeschoolers (who are predominantly conservative and politically active), that are motivated and mobilize (and have throughout this case with Terri). I would be SHOCKED if Judge Greer retains his after after his next vote. (Of course, I was shocked this judge did what he did, so maybe my point is moot :duh: )

[Rink]

The Bood of Christ will convict these evil men, make no mistake on that.

Since they wish not to live according to God's law or show the mercy Jesus showed, their actions themselves will be their doom and Christ's blood will convict them.

[Wolfcounsel]

Does anybody know about autopsies performed on exhumed corpses for the purpose of finding criminal evidence in the spinal fluid? That might be the reason the husband wants Terri cremated.

[Golgo 13]

:unsmile: If Governor Bush doesn't grow a spine & some balls in the next couple of days, he will break the hearts of conservatives all over the country. He can kiss his political future good-bye.

It's called 'term limits'. He's a 2-time President on his final run now. We can all kiss his ass.

[Nutrider99]

Nutrider, oh how I wish you had been Terri's judge.
I'm flattered.

By the way, did anyone hear Sean Hannity on Friday tell about the other woman who came to Judge Greer for protection? In her case she was seeking an EPO. Judge Greer decided that she didn't need one, despite the fact that her husband had a history of domestic violence and had threatened to kill her. Three days later, they found her stabbed to death. The husband later confessed.

That's at least two women dead because of this man's "judgement." Thank GOD I am not in Florida.

[Wolfcounsel]

"He's a 2-time President on his final run now. We can all kiss his ass." --Golgo13


You may. I don't kiss anybody's ass, private citizen or public servant.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

It's called 'term limits'. He's a 2-time President on his final run now. We can all kiss his ass.

:smirky: What part of GOVERNOR Bush did you not understand?

[Warlady]

I heard about that Nutrider. I too am glad I don't live in Florida. I was wrong about judges being elected. That way they can be bought like Judge Greer.

[DesertFox]

But they can, at least in theory, be voted out. Otherwise that's not even possible.

[Warlady]

But they never are. How often is a bad judge impeached in this country? Greer clearly has a conflict of interest in this case since Michael Schiavo and his lawyers have made campaign contributions to Greer. It's bad juju.

[Golgo 13]

:smirky: What part of GOVERNOR Bush did you not understand?

He's peaked. He's at the apex of his political career, and it doesn't get any better from here.

He might just go out on that note when his Presidential term finishes and retire to Crawford.

[DesertFox]

Golgo, you're talking about PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, who runs the country.

LP is talking about GOVERNOR JEB BUSH, who runs Florida.

[Wolfcounsel]

Somebody is acting brain-damaged.

[Melz]

Perhaps we should prevent water and food? It appears lack of oxygen to the brain has already set in?

[Apollo5600]

Somebody is acting brain-damaged.

Golgo is in a Persistant vegetative state, someone should pull the plug.

[terri]

I just read on Yahoo that Michael Schaivo has refused to allow a Priest to administer communion to Terri. They did state she was allowed Last Rites.


Gee, what a compassionate guy that Michael Schaivo is......:flame:

[Melz]

How awful that this man has had such power over his defenseless wife all this time. Not allowing her rehabilitation, or allowing her parents to visit, or allowing a Priest to administer Catholic passage even.

There is more to this living will thing than there used to be. My living will is going to be about 10003.2 pages long after all I have seen in this case. No one will be able to lift a finger in a direction the Lord or I do not will.

Michael Schiavo will likely burn in hell. Of course, I have no control over that. I suspect that the one in control over that is angrier than I though.