Freedom of speech and the N-word

[Teenager]

How come. . .

if a black can say "nigga" at a public school, and not get arrested for it, then why can't I pray outloud in a public school and not get arrested for it?

political correctness STINKS! :flushlib.

[PrezLeefun]

How come. . .

if a black can say "nigga" at a public school, and not get arrested for it, then why can't I pray outloud in a public school and not get arrested for it?

political correctness STINKS! :flushlib.

yes it does but some people ( myself) have issues with that word. dont use it.

[Wolfcounsel]

"yes it does but some people ( myself) have issues with that word. dont use it." --PrezLeefun


Wouldn't that be up to the administrators of this board, to decide on the context used by a poster? I don't see how one poster can tell another poster not to use a certain word.

[PrezLeefun]

It was a strong suggestion Wolfie.

[Teenager]

I only used it to show the extremity of my argument. See, "freedom of speech"!

[PrezLeefun]

I saw the freedom of speech. You could have used something much better. I hope you can think of something better in the future.

[mabzie]

Welcome to the world of Double standard whores.:dino:

[PrezLeefun]

Welcome to the world of Double standard whores.:dino:

what?!?

[ConservativeYouthMovement]

I think he was referring to the people who drop the N-bomb in a public school at no consequence but would gladly have you arrested for praying.

[PrezLeefun]

I think he was referring to the people who drop the N-bomb in a public school at no consequence but would gladly have you arrested for praying.

where i come from those people are not in the same group.

[DoctorDoom]

PLF, he was using it as an extreme example, NOT as an invective. And he's on target. The double standards of the libleft are appalling.

Whites wouldn't use that variation of the word IAC. That's street argot in the hood.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Personally, I think Teenager's use of the example was not in the extreme. The "n" word, obviously, provokes strong connotations and reactions in some. So does the idea of Christians praying at school. They are no different in terms of freedom of speech, merely examples of the supression of free speech gone wild.

It is beholden to the user of the words, to back up their usage. If they cannot, they suffer the consequences there-of. I pray, in public, over my meal -- whether I am in a government institution or private one. I have been approached afterwards and confronted, I am able to stand my ground.

If we are to remain true to the nature of freedom, we must endure that which is revolting, to assure the right of freedom to all. Begin by supressing one, and it's a downhill slide from there. More needs to be spoken of individual responsibility, instead of supression.

[Beowulf]

How come. . .

if a black can say "nigga" at a public school, and not get arrested for it, then why can't I pray outloud in a public school and not get arrested for it?

political correctness STINKS! :flushlib.

It does stink but alot of people still find it offensive, myself included and I'm an evil white guy. To me, that word is evidence of ignorance as I'm sure kids say it because their friends do.

[Warlady]

Prez please do not tell other members what they can and cannot say. Thank you.

[Riverboat]

I'm so offended by the word, by golly, that I'm going to write to each and every recording company that produces rap music. I'll start with the group called NWA - "Niggaz With Attitude."

Offensive when white people use it, offensive when black people use it. Like Mom used to say, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Like Mom used to say, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I thought the saying went "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"? Must be a relative thing to where one is located (was gonna say a Yankee thang, but I don't want to offend, LOLOLOLOL SARCASM INTENTED, although I know you already git it River).

[Melz]

While I will agree that probably most white people even find the word somewhat offensive, I am sick of trying not to offend anyone. I am offended by so many things in this country lately, I cannot pretend to sympathize with someone who doesn't like being called a name.

[UnkHiram]

As most of yall know (at least the ones that know me) I am one of the more restrained posters on this board. I seldom "rant and Rail" about anything. I try to maintain my sense of humor and a seek a rational level for all discussions.

That Word is one of the few things that set me off. That word is only used by Racist and idiots. Teenager I am prepared to give you a pass because you stated you only used the word to ask the question. I wont tell you not to use the word, but I will point out to you that the use of that term or some other racist term will severly color your credibility.

[DoctorDoom]

The word is NOT used by whites. It's a black term. The white epithet is "n-i-g-g-e-r", not "n-i-g-g-a". In fact, no racist would use the latter term BECAUSE of its prevalence in the "hood".

Q: has anyone ever heard a member of another race or nationality refer to one of their own by an offensive term?

- Do Jews call each other "kike"?
- Do Italians pepper their speech with "wop"?
- Do Poles use "polack" in conversation?
- Do Hispanics address one another as "spic"?
- Do the Chinese use "chink" as a form of address?
- Etcetera, etcetera.

It's safe to say that the answer is no in all cases. Why then do blacks insist on the frequent use of "nigga" in speaking to each other?

[PrezLeefun]

The word is NOT used by whites. It's a black term. The white epithet is "n-i-g-g-e-r", not "n-i-g-g-a". In fact, no racist would use the latter term BECAUSE of its prevalence in the "hood".[QUOTE]

I have heard white people say "nigga" before, not meaning to be racist but of course putting themselves in bad situations. [QUOTE]



Q: has anyone ever heard a member of another race or nationality refer to one of their own by an offensive term?


yes

- Do Jews call each other "kike"?
No

- Do Italians pepper their speech with "wop"?
No
- Do Poles use "polack" in conversation?
No
- Do Hispanics address one another as "spic"?
Yes. All the time. I have heard people say that constantly.
- Do the Chinese use "chink" as a form of address?
No
It's safe to say that the answer is no in all cases. Why then do blacks insist on the frequent use of "nigga" in speaking to each other?

The ignorant part of the african american community beleives they are "turning a negative into a postitive." they think "changing the meaning can make it a good word." That in educated circles is B.S. The "N" word, no matter how you say it "er" or "a" has the same traditional dehumanizing meaning. I dont approve of its use unless it is for educational purposes, or the rare occasion that it is needed to make a point. And trust those occassions are rare.

[Melz]

Can't say that I agree that they are trying to turn a negative into a positive by using the word and trying to make it less dehumanizing. They are using it as an "us" and "them" thing, as it appears. I don't use that word in any sense, ever. But I don't believe that black people use it to make it seem less bad. They use it as a form of ebonics in most cases. And ebonics make them sound uneducated. And using a word that they claim to find so degrading makes no sense.

[3livzin8]

Prez, it may be rare to you, but I work in law enforcement, and all I hear from young Black males is "Nigga you crazy" or "I ain't the nigga what sold that crack" or "You just picking on us niggas" or "Go ahead and arrest me my niggas be here soon and f*ck you up!" Of course, I know many Black folks who find this use horrendous. And I agree. I think the point is, why is it ok for a Black person to call another Black person a "nigga" (or any other derrogatory explative) but wroung for a person of another race to do so? I have never understood why "kike", "wop", "spic", "chink", etc. have never received the negativity that the "n" word have. Aren't they all derrogatory??

[Warlady]

Prez, in no instance are double standards okay. If it's not okay for others to use the "N" word then it isn't okay for blacks to use it either. If blacks are going to use it then it's okay for everyone to use it. Blacks have no problem calling white people honkies. I've heard many black people say only white people can be racists. Well that is hogwash. If you don't want offensive language used against your race then your race needs to follow their own advice. I am as offended by the "N" word as anyone but I won't stand for double standards. It makes me rebellious. It does anyone. Blacks are not the only race in the world who has been oppressed. It's time for them to get over it and move on or stay in the gutter of their blame game and sob stories.

[PrezLeefun]

Prez, it may be rare to you, but I work in law enforcement, and all I hear from young Black males is "Nigga you crazy" or "I ain't the nigga what sold that crack" or "You just picking on us niggas" or "Go ahead and arrest me my niggas be here soon and f*ck you up!" Of course, I know many Black folks who find this use horrendous. And I agree. I think the point is, why is it ok for a Black person to call another Black person a "nigga" (or any other derrogatory explative) but wroung for a person of another race to do so? I have never understood why "kike", "wop", "spic", "chink", etc. have never received the negativity that the "n" word have. Aren't they all derrogatory??

3 I am part black and i live in a black and hispanic community. I know how common that is. I dont agree with using that term in a casual manner. Yes all those terms are derrogatory. It is an ill fated movement by the black community to "change the meaning". Ebonics or street slang is a whole different topic.

[Melz]

Exactly! If they don't have enough respect for their race to stop using that word, how can they expect others not to use that word? Their use of it shows lack of respect for themselves completely. I don't care to be "allowed" to use it but it is horrible sounding when ANYONE uses it, including black people.

[PrezLeefun]

Prez, in no instance are double standards okay. If it's not okay for others to use the "N" word then it isn't okay for blacks to use it either. If blacks are going to use it then it's okay for everyone to use it. Blacks have no problem calling white people honkies. I've heard many black people say only white people can be racists. Well that is hogwash. If you don't want offensive language used against your race then your race needs to follow their own advice. I am as offended by the "N" word as anyone but I won't stand for double standards. It makes me rebellious. It does anyone. Blacks are not the only race in the world who has been oppressed. It's time for them to get over it and move on or stay in the gutter of their blame game and sob stories.

WL did you read my post???? I clearly said I do not approve of that word. I do not think it is ok to use that word or any other racial curse unless it is for educational purposes. I know that all groups have people who are racists. I know very well that all groups have been oppressed throughout history. I have even said on this board that african americans need to get over the "pity me I'm black and poor" b.s. What exactly did you miss in my post?

[Teenager]

Hey, I didn't actually expect to get in the whole "where the 'n' word came from and blah blah blah". . .
I only used it to ask, if a black person can say a negative offensive word without any worry, why can't a Christian student at a public school say a positive uplifting prayer?
That's my question.
If black people have the freedom to say "nigga/nigger", then the Christians should certainly have the right to prayer.

Cheers.

[Melz]

Teenager, I suspect that only a certain group (Christians) are of the experience to be openly denied their First Ammendment Rights in this country lately.

[DoctorDoom]

- Do Hispanics address one another as "spic"?Yes. All the time. I have heard people say that constantly.Thanks for the update. I'm now even more informed than I was earlier. :D

Y'all gotta get out of New York Sewery and find a place where real people live.

[Riverboat]

Ebonics or street slang is a whole different topic.I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Offhand, I'd say that Ebonics is just as degrading as using the other despicable terms. Among friends, a little goes a long way. If it is what passes for normal, I think the problem is obvious. At the very least, I would never give it a pass as acceptable or a cultural variant of mainstream English. It is DEVIANT English. And if anyone thinks employers should overlook this when hiring, he should have his head examined.

[DoctorDoom]

Re "ebonics", it reminds me of that scene in "Airplane!"

Jiveman 2 : Mnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Attendant : Can I get you something?
Jiveman 2 : S'mo fo butter layin' to the bone. Jackin' me up. Tightly.
Attendant : I'm sorry I don't understand.
Jiveman 1 : Cutty say he cant hang.
Woman : Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
Attendant : Ohhhh, good.
Woman : He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Attendant : Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.
Woman : Jus' hang loose blooood. She goonna catch up on the rebound a de medcide.
Jiveman 2 : What it is big mamma, my mamma didn't raise no dummy, I dug her rap.
Woman : Cut me som' slac' jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.

[Riverboat]

Funny. But what made it truly hilarious was the fact that none other than Barbara Billingsley played the part of the interpreter. Old-timers remember her most enduring role as the mother on Leave It To Beaver.

[True American]

What am I missing here?
This thread began with a person asking a basic question.
The question was an interesting one. However, everyone turned the thread into a Biggot Central Forum.

His question was...
"How come a person of youth can speak a word of supposed political incorrectness, yet can't pray in school. Another political no-no from the far left educational system.

Well, I would like to try and answer this. I'm not sure I can help you any Teenager, but maybe I can give you another point of view.

When one simply spews out a filthy word, it's over. It's past. You can't make them take it back. Almost not worth wasting time disciplining. Surely, the word "Nigga" offends many. It's meant to offend as much as the clothing kids wear today offends. However, this is looked upon by many as a passing phase and many will tell you these kids will get over their phase. Personally, the way kids act today, offends the hell out of me, but who am I to judge. I'm 48 years old and no one cares what I think. But it is a free country which gives me the right to voice my opinion and therefore, whether I like it or not, I must often have to deal with the offensive displays of others.

On the other hand, school systems have a real hard on for religion. They really want to keep it as far from youth as they possibly can. Because once religion is recognized, it will begin to break down the system they now have in place. Maybe it will eventually make kids have dress codes. Maybe it will eventually make kids stop offending others with their mindless filth. Maybe it will eventually make the teachers themselves stop having sex with their students and teaching students that all people should be gay.

The education system in this country needs a major overhaul. There's no doubt about it. Nothing could do more good for the school system than having a little more religion involved in their curriculum. However, we will always have that one moron who wants to create a nuisance and whimper off to the ACLU. The ACLU hates all religions too, because if we had any actual stability of morality left in this country, the ACLU would be out of business.

Here's what they WON'T teach you in school.
There is absolutely NO PLACE in the US Constitution where it states that there will be a separation between church & state.
What Jefferson meant was, Congress shall make no law for or against the RESPECTING of any religion. He added this into amendment one because many politicians were also heads of their church and Jefferson didn't want any of these heads of churches getting their agendas into federal politics.

Of course, he was very careful to state that congress would also not be allowed to prohibit the speech or public exercise of any church organization.
Actually, Preaching religion in a PUBLIC School is 100% legal. It will never be taken away by the US Supreme Court. To do so would be unconstitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Shadow]

Hey, I didn't actually expect to get in the whole "where the 'n' word came from and blah blah blah". . .
I only used it to ask, if a black person can say a negative offensive word without any worry, why can't a Christian student at a public school say a positive uplifting prayer?
That's my question.
If black people have the freedom to say "nigga/nigger", then the Christians should certainly have the right to prayer.

Cheers.

Well, for one, Black Americans are overwelmingly Christian, and therefore would have the same restrictions on prayer that any other Christian would have.

Second, I have worked in public schools and students have every right to pray. What is restricted is employees organizing students for prayer. As long as it is student facilitated, prayer in school is perfectly legal. Students have every right to pray at lunch, pray at their desks, pray during the two or three minute quiet time that many schools give in the morning, etc. Fellowship of Student Athletes meetings are held on student campuses as long as they are totally student facilitated. If your school is preventing students from praying, your school is breaking the law.

[Shadow]

The excuse for the seeming desire for some posters here to use the n-word seems to be the whole double standard thing. The problem is that those Blacks who go around calling each other the word surely don't post on this board. Are there more than two Blacks who post on this board at all? The n-word is deplored by Black Conservatives/Republicans. I find it amazing that posters on this board place all attention on one group of Blacks while disregarding those Blacks who share their political and social values. This basically says that while we criticize Black affiliation with liberals, you're really not welcome with us.

I figure that if it is important to relay the double standard message in this fashion, then what would make the most sense is to register at one of the several hip-hop message boards out there where the word is used, identify yourselves as White Americans, and then cut loose.

Better yet, find in person a group of Blacks in your city who are using the n-word in their conversation, and join in using the word yourself. If they complain, explain your reasoning.

Also, the vast majority of Blacks don't go up to Whites and call them "honkies." I don't even think that word is used anymore. I've always considered the such broad generalizations to be a liberal thing.

[DoctorDoom]

As long as it is student facilitated, prayer in school is perfectly legal."And make no mistake, the Court is going to have a United States marshall in attendance at the graduation. If any student offends this Court, that student will be summarily arrested and will face up to six months incarceration in the Galveston County Jail for contempt of court.... Anybody who violates these orders, no kidding, is going to wish he or she had died as a child when this court gets through with it."
-- U.S. District Court Judge Samuel Kent, May 5, 1995, after ruling that any prayer offered by a student at a high school graduation must not mention any specific deity - including the name of Jesus.

Dean Gregg, the former dean of religious life at Stanford University pressured evangelical Christian groups on campus to stop “proselytizing other students.” What angered Gregg was not the content of the message that was being shared, but the practice of sharing itself. He believes that in approaching someone with the Gospel, you are implying that the person’s beliefs are inferior to your own. According to the dean, this is self-righteous, biased, and intolerant.
-- “Truth or Tolerance?” by Scott Scruggs, Probe Ministries International, Copyright 1996

Freedom of speech and press is guaranteed to students unless the topic is religious, at which time such speech becomes unconstitutional. [Stein vs. Oshinski, 1965; Collins v. Chandler Unified School district, 644 F. 2d 759, 760 (9th Cir. 1981).]

First grader Emily Aaker of Bemidji, Minnesota was told by her teacher that she could not play her favorite tape, "Surf and Turtles," because it contained religious songs. As part of the Horace May Elementary School's "Student of the Week" program, selected students were allowed to share their favorite music with classmates.

High school art teacher Nancy Greenwood asked her students at Red River High School to design posters expressing their emotions about an issue of concern in their community. Students chose topics such as drugs, AIDS, abortion and the environment. Heidi Marwitz, however, designed a poster that included a cross, an American flag and the question, "Is the Son shining in your school?" Greenwood gave the poster a perfect grade and displayed it in a school hallway with the rest of the class posters. Principal Everett Knudsvig ordered the poster down because it violated school policy. The policy is based on "the separation of church and state," Knudsvig said. "We have to be respectful of all religions and not place one over the other." [Grand Forks Herald, March 11, 1995.]

In the Alaska public schools, students were told they could not use the word "Christmas" in school because it had the word "Christ" in it, nor could they have the word in their notebooks, nor exchange Christmas cards or presents, nor display anything with the word "Christmas" on it. [William J. Murray, "America Without God," The New American, June 20, 1988, pg. 19.]

At South Lake schools in Michigan students designed a holiday banner in music class and were told they had to replace "Merry Christmas" with "Merry X-Mas."

If a student prays over his lunch, it is unconstitutional for him to pray aloud. [Reed v. Van Hoven, 237 F. Supp. 48 (W.D. Mich. 1965).]

In its most significant school prayer ruling in years, the Supreme Court today ruled that Texas public schools may not begin football games with organized prayer, even when recited by a student.

The decision marked a turning point in the Supreme Court's 40-year struggle to draw the line between church and state in the public school setting. After sending signals that it was ready to allow greater religious involvement in schools, the conservative court today tacked back toward a more separationist approach.Supreme Court bans student-led prayer at football games (http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=12727)

In Madison, Wisconsin, the Freedom from Religion Foundation distributes anti-Christian pamphlets to public school children entitled, "We Can Be Good Without God."

[snip]

Even a casual observance of the facts reveals growing isolation of Christians as a people group, especially school age believers. Faculty and peer efforts to convince public school children that America was not founded on Christian ideals, and that our forefathers actually wanted a secular society, permeates public school interaction. History revisionists labor to eliminate any and all contradictory historical evidence from public school curriculum, and mockingly stereotype Christians as unenlightened fringe.

A few years ago, Dr. Paul Vitz, then professor of psychology at New York University, worked with a committee that examined sixty social studies and history textbooks used in public schools across the United States. The committee was amazed to find that almost every reference to the Christian influence of early America was systematically removed. Their conclusion: the writers of the commonly used textbooks exhibited paranoia of the Christian religion and intentionally censored Christianity's positive role in American history.

Intolerant, Christ-hating censors of religious expression target the media and public school curriculum because this is the best place, outside of the churches and families, to indoctrinate children and thus manipulate the future political and cultural landscape. If one succeeds in separating Godly principles from public education and the media, they deny citizens the knowledge of good and keep them from embracing the laws of God. To that extent, they are pawns of evil and subvert and destroy both the message and the messengers of righteousness.PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS GROWING IN THE UNITED STATES (http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution.html)

A little 7 year old girl enters second grade with innocent anticipation. Her initiation into the public school system after 2 years of Christian school will be a rude awakening. Although the teacher is visibly annoyed upon learning that her new student is a pastor’s child, it isn’t until October that major problems begin to unfold. The student is forced to draw witches and ghosts against the parents’ expressed wishes, and the teacher insists on reading horror stories that are a constant source of nightmares. After learning that their daughter has been routinely humiliated in front of her classmates, the parents remove her from the school only to discover that all of her schoolwork has been mysteriously "lost". The year was 1992, and the little girl was mine. That was our first taste of the persecution that many more would soon come to know.Christian Persecution Comes to America (http://www.discerningtoday.org/members/Digest/2000Digest/May/Christian%20Persecution.htm)

On and on it goes. This barely scratches the surface of the obsession to erase every trace of God from the schools.

[Shadow]

Yea, prayer has pretty much be relegated to having to be done in silence and off to yourself. I recall in the mid 90s whereas FCA meetings had to be held after school and the monitoring teacher had to keep his or her mouth shut and play absolutely no part other than being there. I wonder it even this is still allowed.

If a student prays over his lunch, it is unconstitutional for him to pray aloud. [Reed v. Van Hoven, 237 F. Supp. 48 (W.D. Mich. 1965).]

This is unbelievable. This is prayer that is in no way attached to any sponsored school event and students are not agents of the school or state. School is mandatory, yet students are forced to relinquish their freedom of religion when they enter the doors. I wonder if a student can perform the sign of the cross before and after prayer, or is that unconstitutional? I'm surprised by this and that judges ridiculous threat at the beginning.

Freedom of speech and press is guaranteed to students unless the topic is religious, at which time such speech becomes unconstitutional. [Stein vs. Oshinski, 1965; Collins v. Chandler Unified School district, 644 F. 2d 759, 760 (9th Cir. 1981).]

What is he considering freedom of speech? Two kids can't talk about Jesus during their spare time?

The other things don't surprise me despite most of them making little sense.

[Teenager]

If a student prays over his lunch, it is unconstitutional for him to pray aloud. [Reed v. Van Hoven, 237 F. Supp. 48 (W.D. Mich. 1965).]

Precisely my point. But this seems to conflict the other constitutional amendent-
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It's seems to me they are prohibiting the free exercise of the right to pray outloud. It donesn't take to many brain cells to figure that one out. Why then are liberals judges and liberal ACLU say it's illegal to say a prayer outloud?
Afterall, if they don't believe in God, how is prayer going to offend them?

[DesertFox]

I think they're less offended than afraid. Fear pushes much stronger than anger on the inside of an otherwise-empty skull.

[True American]

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Precisely my point. But this seems to conflict the other constitutional amendent-
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It's seems to me they are prohibiting the free exercise of the right to pray outloud. It donesn't take to many brain cells to figure that one out. Why then are liberals judges and liberal ACLU say it's illegal to say a prayer outloud?
Afterall, if they don't believe in God, how is prayer going to offend them?

Dear teenager,

The first quote isn't from the US constitution. What "I" put in for you was actually the 1st Amendment.

It "ISN'T" illegal to pray out loud.

I keep bringing this up, and it appears that the battle of separation of church & state will never be finished. The LIBERALS are the ones who tend to urinate on the US Constitution on a daily basis. Not I!

There is a piece of text which is better known as the "Wall of Separation Letter" written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Connecticut Baptist Church. This letter explains in great detail why he amended the constituion to not RESPECT... as in: "Give Preference or special privledges to"... Certain religions or faiths.

I can give you a link to that letter... This will help you much in your quest.
http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html (http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html)

Don't be fooled by those who aim to urinate on our rule of government... "The United States Constitution!" For the only way they can change the laws they so dearly despise is by making the US Supreme Court vote on their side. However, the US Supreme Court, must obey the US Constitution. Public religious displays, especially peaceful ones, must be allowed. This includes public schools and public parks. Etc.
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[Rightknight]

I think its funny how WHITES cant use Nigger/Nigga but can say 'Thats my BOY' to an adult Black MAN and nobody says enything. The term BOY when refering to a Black MAN is more of an INSULT left over from the slavery days then the OH SO FORBIDDEN :Crying: (N) word!! At least pick the CORRECT word to be OFFINDED BY!!--NIGGER=NIGRO=NIGROID=OF THE BLACK RACE!-------OH IS THAT NOT JUST TERRABLE!! :eek: :whatever: -----FREE SPEACH MY WHITE HARRY BUT!! :shake:

[tacitus]

I think its funny how WHITES cant use Nigger/Nigga but can say 'Thats my BOY' to an adult Black MAN and nobody says enything. The term BOY when refering to a Black MAN is more of an INSULT left over from the slavery days then the OH SO FORBIDDEN :Crying: (N) word!! At least pick the CORRECT word to be OFFINDED BY!!--NIGGER=NIGRO=NIGROID=OF THE BLACK RACE!-------OH IS THAT NOT JUST TERRABLE!! :eek: :whatever: -----FREE SPEACH MY WHITE HARRY BUT!! :shake:

When was the last time you heard any white person say 'Thats my BOY' to an adult Black MAN?

[DesertFox]

I think we can safely assume that Rightknight's upset about this

[Rightknight]

When was the last time you heard any white person say 'Thats my BOY' to an adult Black MAN? About a week ago as a matter of fact. And I was SHOCKED!! -- :eek:--The Black guy-AKA-Blacky/Spook ect did not seem to mind. Thats what this WHITEY/HONKEY/WHITE BREAD/WHITE DEVIL thought.-------OH IME SORRY-- :buttkiss:--I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFINED-- :buttkiss:--- :eek:

[PrezLeefun]

I think its funny how WHITES cant use Nigger/Nigga but can say 'Thats my BOY' to an adult Black MAN and nobody says enything. The term BOY when refering to a Black MAN is more of an INSULT left over from the slavery days then the OH SO FORBIDDEN :Crying: (N) word!! At least pick the CORRECT word to be OFFINDED BY!!--NIGGER=NIGRO=NIGROID=OF THE BLACK RACE!-------OH IS THAT NOT JUST TERRABLE!! :eek: :whatever: -----FREE SPEACH MY WHITE HARRY BUT!! :shake:

you might want to work on your spelling. and your temper.

[Teenager]

I think that the liberals fear the power of the Christians. The left can't completely accomplish their goals with the Fundamentalist Christians in the way, IMO.

[Rightknight]

I think that the liberals fear the power of the Christians. The left can't completely accomplish their goals with the Fundamentalist Christians in the way, IMO. YEP! :claps:

[Teenager]

I think that the liberals fear the power of the Christians. The left can't completely accomplish their goals with the Fundamentalist Christians in the way, IMO.

So if this is true, why must the liberals try to break the 1st amendment to stop the Christians? Doesn't this seem to imply they don't care about the constitution? Or doesn't this seem to imply they want a socialistic state?
I dunno, but it seems like something is fishy here.

[tacitus]

About a week ago as a matter of fact. And I was SHOCKED!! -- :eek:--The Black guy-AKA-Blacky/Spook ect did not seem to mind. Thats what this WHITEY/HONKEY/WHITE BREAD/WHITE DEVIL thought.-------OH IME SORRY-- :buttkiss:--I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFINED-- :buttkiss:--- :eek:

First of all anyone that calls any Black male 'boy' is one ignorant son of a bitch and deserves to have his/her ass stomped.

Second of all lose the caps and stop shouting.

Third end the racist remarks.

[CzechPrince]

I have utterly no desire to use any word like that. People in that group can call each other whatever they see fit, more power to them.

[Teenager]

I have utterly no desire to use any word like that.

Well, it doesn't really bother me to use nigger, maybe cuz I'm not potitically correct. Just like it doesn't bother most of ya'll to curse.

But, outa respect for other people, I never use it.

[PrezLeefun]

Well, it doesn't really bother me to use nigger, maybe cuz I'm not potitically correct. Just like it doesn't bother most of ya'll to curse.

But, outa respect for other people, I never use it.
I don't see how avoiding racial slurrs at all cost is being politically correct. Do you honestly think that it is ok? Would actually use that word when addressing someone? Or are you just trying to make a point with the cursing thing?

This statement has really befuddled me. Why would you ever be comfortable with using that word?

[Maggie_T]

PLF, he was using it as an extreme example, NOT as an invective. And he's on target. The double standards of the libleft are appalling.

Whites wouldn't use that variation of the word IAC. That's street argot in the hood.

OK. I did not want to go through ALL the thread since IMHO, it should have stopped at the above thread.

Absolutely, Doc!

Prez, chill out. No, I don't mean this as an offense. I just mean it as in "No need to get so worked up."

Doc is right. Teen was using it as an extreme example. And yes, Teen was also on target.

I also flinch at N word, and I'm not even black. But that doesn't mean I have to faint if I hear it outside a "derogatory" context.

Now, can we let common sense prevail? Or are we going to go off the handle every time someone asks a question that "makes us uncomfortable"?

Because in that case, we can stop mentioning the word "debate" and just limit ourselves to talking about the weather.

[iFocusNews.com]

While I will agree that probably most white people even find the word somewhat offensive, I am sick of trying not to offend anyone. I am offended by so many things in this country lately, I cannot pretend to sympathize with someone who doesn't like being called a name.

Amen.

If you're offended by something that a man says, who's the one with the problem? YOU, not HIM.

[Melz]

Exactly! Almost..

Seriously though, these same folks who get offended by being called one thing or another (and I am talking in a general PC sense here, not just the i**er thing) are the same who found no fault in the euthanization of a coherent Terri Schiavo, find no fault in the promotion of baby-killing, and are tearing away at our National Security piece by piece by moaning about our presence in Iraq and the Patriot Act. These are the same people who rejoice when they see death, they post pictures of gruesome murders in Iraq, all the while whining about some pictures taken of naked Iraqi POW's saying how inhumane it is.

These are the same folks who whine about being called a name. Grow the heck up, unless you are 12 years old and in some school yard, I doubt you get "called names" so much in your life. There are bigger issues to worry about, and those worrying about what name they are called have priority issues up the yingyang.