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Warlady

03-31-2005, 07:54 AM

She just passed away.

PrezLeefun

03-31-2005, 07:56 AM

All we can do is pray for her family.

Warlady

03-31-2005, 07:58 AM

That's not all we can do. We can work to make sure this travesty never happens again.

MichaelS

03-31-2005, 08:09 AM

May she be at peace with the Lord and the Lord with her family.

Melz

03-31-2005, 08:16 AM

I agree Curtman, although I am at a loss for words..I pray for her soul to rest peacefully in Heaven with our Lord.

HomeschoolrsRUs

03-31-2005, 08:23 AM

Father God on High, Creator and Ruler of All Things,

We are with heavy hearts, and souls weeping for such a great loss as one of your children passed into Your care from such tragic circumstances. Lord we know You comfort the grieving, and we know You work all things together for Your Good. But we are human, frail and misunderstanding, and we beseech you send Your Comfort and Grace to be among us now.

Most specifically Jesus, we ask that you surround Terri's loved ones, mother, father, family, friends, with Your Tender Embrace. We ask that You touch their hearts, allowing them Your Perfect Peace as they struggle to understand all that has transpired, and absorb the loss of Terri.

We also pray for this country, Lord, as we have reached a terrible crossroad in time. Help remove the blinders and open the eyes of our leaders, so that they may put right what has been let go wrong, that Terri's death would not be in vain.
Lord we love You, and trust You in all things,

Be with us now, we humbly ask,
In the precious name of your Beloved Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ,
Amen.

BEST45CAL

03-31-2005, 08:23 AM

Rest in peace, Terri.

ILikeIke

03-31-2005, 08:24 AM

I'm sad that Terri died. :(

But, for crying out loud, Curt and Melz, stop the apparent threats! Do you want to give the FBI an excuse to take you out of the picture? Do you want to give them an excuse to try to take you out of the political picture through imprisonment, like the guy who supposedly offered a price on some heads? Do you want the rest of us to be labeled as among a "terrorist group" because the moderators left you as a "member" of this group after apparent threats? Get ahold of yourselves!

I make it clear right now, as I have many times, that I do not support any kind of terrorist threat. Even in this case.

Large_Al

03-31-2005, 08:27 AM

Some people need to go to jail on this one.

How can we as a country let this happen. Very very sad day. We wouldn't starve a dog to death but we will fight for the right for someone to starve a human to death. Not a killer or a criminal who is sentenced to death because that is considered cruel and unusual punishment. Just very sad. My prayers go out to Terri's parents and to Terri's soul and I pray we find out how she got that way in the first place.

Melz

03-31-2005, 08:28 AM

ahh it's not threats which I would carry through with, simply frustration about the whole thing :( I am not a violent person and do not wish harm to anyone actually. I don't like to feel helpless when an obvious injustice is happening and I get frustrated. I apologize.

Suzie

03-31-2005, 08:31 AM

I agree with what Mel Gibson said last night, It's sad that this is what our country has become.

Coach

03-31-2005, 08:34 AM

That's not all we can do. We can work to make sure this travesty never happens again.

We can cry, we can pray, we can be upset with the world, but the bottom line is we need to get busy and get involved. Warlady said it right, we can work to make sure it never happens again.

I'm very upset that this happened, but I'm going to be sure the politicians know what I thought of their attitudes, both positive and negative. And then I'm going to encourage the Senate to get control of the judiciary.

ILikeIke

03-31-2005, 08:34 AM

Large_Al

03-31-2005, 08:58 AM

Melz and Curt I feel your frustration.

ILikeIke

03-31-2005, 09:03 AM

Melz and Curt I feel your frustration.

While your feeling Curt's frustration, could you please ask him to retract his statement about encouraging people to riot? Some might call that "inciting." I have a feeling that if he had spelled out his f-ing word he would have gotten more of a slap on the wrist by the moderators. Do something, so the rest of us aren't labeled as among a terrorist group. "Cyber-terrorism" is a very new field. I know that you aren't one of the moderators of this forum, but DD just posted something.

Wolfcounsel

03-31-2005, 09:09 AM

"I make it clear right now, as I have many times, that I do not support any kind of terrorist threat. Even in this case." --ClintReese

I don't believe there were any threats made here. I see people pissed off. That's all.

May Terri rest in peace, and may her loved ones find comfort.

BarryG

03-31-2005, 09:21 AM

america is going to be held accountable for this. i don't advocate any terrorism either but i am sure that God will not let this go unpunished.

Large_Al

03-31-2005, 09:24 AM

shawnwood

03-31-2005, 09:29 AM

Terri, go with God and take comfort that one day your will be reunited with Michael.... reunited long enough to watch him be banished to hell! Rest in Peace Terri, Michael, rest in pieces.

Kathy29

03-31-2005, 09:58 AM

God kept Terri Schiavo alive so that we can see what we are becoming. I firmly believe that. I believe that her suffering and the suffering of her family (of biblical proportions I might add) was ordained so that we could see what we're doing and take the opportunity to turn from the death culture.

Those who know me know that I never inject religion into my posts and never quote scripture. But as I watched those individuals claiming that death by dehydration was peaceful and euphoric, that feeding her and giving her water was against her wishes, that she wanted to die slowly and horribly. In some of those faces, I saw the face of the Great Deceiver. Just a flash, just a twist of muscles, but this was surely the work of the Deceiver. I'm not a particularly religious person. I don't go to Church, I don't seek to convert. I never prosetylize. But this is frightening. It's enough to send me to re-reading the Bible just to see if there are answers there. And I suspect there is.

Riverboat

03-31-2005, 10:26 AM

That's not all we can do. We can work to make sure this travesty never happens again.Exactly. It's over for Terry, but it ain't over here. Not by a long shot.

ThomasIsUnderrated

03-31-2005, 10:32 AM

May she be at peace with the Lord and the Lord with her family.

Considering your sick comments on this case, I can't believe you would have the audacity to write something like this. :flame:

ThomasIsUnderrated

03-31-2005, 10:44 AM

Terri, we're sorry for the evil acts our country and our judges have done. May you now enjoy eternity with the Lord. To Terri's parents and loving family (not the bastard Michael Schiavo), our thoughts, prayers, and apologies go out to you. Our country (especially the judicial branch) was complicit in your daughter's murder and for this there is no excuse. Just know that some of us did everything we could.

jag

03-31-2005, 10:47 AM

Rest in Peace Terri.

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 10:49 AM

May she be at peace with the Lord and the Lord with her family.

I have no authority to kick your miserable deathdrunken ass out of here, but if I did, you'd have been gone with Terri's last heartbeat.

Speaking of kicking people out and last heartbeats, did you hear that your hero and namesake kicked Terri's family out twenty minutes before she died? The cocksucking bastard wouldn't even let her die in peace surrounded by the people who actually love her. He probably threw everybody out so he could go in there and verbally torment her the way he reportedly did so many other times.

Now, you've gotten what you want. You had things your way. You have your court-directed murder precedent. So why don't you just leave those of us who grieve her death and the loss of humanity in America and respect for human life as God willed it alone by getting the hell out of here? Or are you just some evil buzzard circling this forum because you see it as a feast to feed your love of evil and suffering that you just can't tear your bankrupt soul away from?

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 10:51 AM

MichaelS

03-31-2005, 11:04 AM

Considering your sick comments on this case, I can't believe you would have the audacity to write something like this. :flame:
I have made no "sick" comments on the case.

In fact, I have largely refrained on commenting on the individual case at all outside of procedural questions and issues, because I refused to make the assumptions that so many on this board were all too willing to make and continue to make. I still refuse.

I have commented on the case's larger implications and have disagreed with some on this board while agreeing with others.

I have always sympathized with Terri and her family (and, yes, her husband as well). No one wishes to go through such an ordeal. I simply refused to "take sides" when none of us have access to enough information to make such a stance.

I am a Christian, and my prayer that Terri be with the Lord and the Lord with her family remains.

ThomasIsUnderrated

03-31-2005, 11:13 AM

MichaelS

03-31-2005, 11:22 AM

Bull, "MichaelS." You were on the side of death. You can hide it in talk of procedure, which you weren't that correct on to begin with, but the truth is still clear. By calling your comments "sick," I was being nice. I won't waste another breath on you, as you certainly don't deserve it, except to correct your comments on the law when you state something falacious or claim something is an absolute legal truth when it isn't. (I won't have people being misled.)
I was on the side of the judiciary. Still am. If the court had ruled that Terri would have wanted to be sustained, I would have supported that decision.

As for misleading people, I have no need. As you, and so many others have illustrated, you're all too willing to mislead yourselves.

I am done with this, because these interchanges have no place in this thread.

ThomasIsUnderrated

03-31-2005, 11:42 AM

As for misleading people, I have no need. As you, and so many others have illustrated, you're all too willing to mislead yourselves.

Enough.

Beowulf

03-31-2005, 11:45 AM

This is a sad day not just for Terri and her family but for America. The courts condemned her to death by starvation and dehydration. We are more humane to the family dog or cat than the courts were to Terri.

The court sentenced an innocent woman to death, something usually reserved for murderers. I am saddened yet outraged. The best things that we can do are:

-Reform the judicial system.
-Hold those accountable who sentenced Terri.
-And never forget.

May you rest in peace, Terri. You've already been to hell. You deserve the best the Lord has to offer.

shawnwood

03-31-2005, 11:51 AM

I was on the side of the judiciary. Still am. If the court had ruled that Terri would have wanted to be sustained, I would have supported that decision.

Will you still support the courts when it is a loved on, or even you they try to kill?

As for misleading people, I have no need. As you, and so many others have illustrated, you're all too willing to mislead yourselves.

Go F yourself!

DeclinetoState

03-31-2005, 11:51 AM

...Warlady said it right, we can work to make sure it never happens again.

...And then I'm going to encourage the Senate to get control of the judiciary.

But how? At the federal level, a majority of Senators (almost all Democrats and a handful of RINOs) won't change the filibuster rules, so any federal judge or Supreme Court justice will have to be acceptable to some liberal Democrats. The Senate doesn't want to "get control of the judiciary," either because they want to be able to palm off difficult decisions (RINOs) or they simply like the make-up of the judiciary as it is today (Democrats).

I believe judges are elected in Florida (on a partisan ballot), but I don't live there so I can't be sure.

Patriot Heart

03-31-2005, 11:58 AM

"Though preparest a table for me in the presence of mine enemies......

.....I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever."

God Bless you Terri and God Bless your suffering family.

If you want a message DELIVERED to the Schindlers, Glenn Beck has an address to send them terri@glennbeck.com He is friends of the family.

Wolfcounsel

03-31-2005, 12:09 PM

"I am done with this, because these interchanges have no place in this thread." --MichaelS

You're right. I have seen turds say the same thing, before I flush them. They come right back.

OurDubya

03-31-2005, 12:17 PM

The best things that we can do are:

-Reform the judicial system.
-Hold those accountable who sentenced Terri.
-And never forget.

I think one of the best things we can do is to make sure we have it spelled out clearly, in living wills or other legal documents, our wishes in the event of brain death.

dajoga

03-31-2005, 12:28 PM

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America;
And to the republic for which it stands,
One nation, xxx xxx, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all except Terri Schiavo and unborn babies!

nene

03-31-2005, 12:31 PM

I'd like to think that Terri is not resting in peace. Rather, she is in heaven absorbing the wonder of eternal life with God. She's hanging with God! You can't have better company than that.

I'm happy for her.

Bye Terri.

CzechPrince

03-31-2005, 12:36 PM

It's terrible. I watched the videos Curtman put up about her cold and how she responded, in her best way, I almost cried. I'm thankfull, as her family is I am sure, she was given Last Rites.

dajoga

03-31-2005, 01:05 PM

I'd like to think that Terri is not resting in peace. Rather, she is in heaven absorbing the wonder of eternal life with God.

If she was "born-again" then she is. I hope she was.

CzechPrince

03-31-2005, 01:13 PM

If she was "born-again" then she is. I hope she was.

We, as Catholics, do not belevie in being, "Born Again" like you do. Are you suggesting she is in hell because she did not go through the mechanics of whatever you did?

dajoga

03-31-2005, 01:21 PM

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3

This is what Jesus told a religious man. He didn't say if you're Roman Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Muslim, Morman, Pentecostal, etc. etc. you get to heaven, but only if you're "born again."

All I'm saying is that according to Jesus, if Terri Schiavo was not born again, she's not in heaven .

That goes for Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, the Pope, Terri or you or I.

Sierra

03-31-2005, 01:49 PM

Kathy 29 Said:
God kept Terri Schiavo alive so that we can see what we are becoming. I firmly believe that. I believe that her suffering and the suffering of her family (of biblical proportions I might add) was ordained so that we could see what we're doing and take the opportunity to turn from the death culture.

That is the single wisest most astute comment I’ve yet read “ANYWHERE” Kathy I believe as it appears do you that sometimes God chooses one of us to suffer on this Earth so that the rest of us may become enlightened to God’s ways. If this is so she will sit at the right hand of God for eternity and it may be that some day there will be a new American Saint. It’s up to us as Warlady and others have said is to see to it that this never happens again beginning with a law protecting the lives of those unable to speak for themselves.

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 01:58 PM

This is what Jesus told a religious man. He didn't say if you're Roman Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Muslim, Morman, Pentecostal, etc. etc. you get to heaven, but only if you're "born again."

All I'm saying is that according to Jesus, if Terri Schiavo was not born again, she's not in heaven .

That goes for Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, the Pope, Terri or you or I.

Communion accomplishes the same thing.

dajoga

03-31-2005, 02:01 PM

So if you take communion, you go to heaven? Chapter and verse?

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 02:07 PM

Yes, pretty much: http://www.sundayschoollessons.com/comm.htm

ILikeIke

03-31-2005, 02:41 PM

Clint I think you're a little hypersensitive on this one. Or maybe I'm a little ignorant on Cyber-Terrorism and the first amendment and that could be the case. If Curt wants to retract his statement it's fine with me but I'm not going to censor it. I'm not so sure it would be taken as a terrorist threat. But then again if we as a people can condone starving a person to death we may be on our way to speech crimes and thought crimes.

OK. Point taken. I just think that in the current judicial climate we should be very careful to avoid anything even resembling a terroristic threat.

Maybe I was being hyper-sensitive. Sorry.

CzechPrince

03-31-2005, 02:44 PM

First off, that is a Lutheran site, just for clerification.

All of the early Christians referred to John 3:5 as baptism and said this was the way in which we are born again and receive new life, a fact which can be shown elsewhere in Scripture (Rom. 6:3-4, Col. 2:12-13, Titus 3:5). It is impossible to find a Church Father who referred to John 3:5 (in my bible it is John 3:5, not 3:3) as anything other than baptism; they are unanimous. As I said you interpret differnetly, but we keep it at what the Early Church and Christians taught it as, as do even Lutherans and Anglicans.

Justin Martyr
"As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, and instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we pray and fast with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, "Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

Irenaeus
"And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan" [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: "Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Fragment 34 [A.D. 190]).

Tertullian
"No one can attain salvation without baptism, especially in view of the declaration of the Lord, who says, "Unless a man shall be born of water, he shall not have life" (Baptism 12:1 [A.D. 203]).

Hippolytus
"The Father of immortality sent the immortal Son and Word into the world, who came to man in order to wash him with water and the Spirit; and he, begetting us again to incorruption of soul and body, breathed into us the Spirit of life, and endued us with an incorruptible panoply. If, therefore, man has become immortal, he will also be God. And if he is made God by water and the Holy Spirit after the regeneration of the laver he is found to be also joint-heir with Christ after the resurrection from the dead (Discourse on the Holy Theophany 8 [A.D. 217]).

The Recognitions of Clement
"But you will perhaps say, "What does the baptism of water contribute toward the worship of God?" In the first place, because that which has pleased God is fulfilled. In the second place, because when you are regenerated and born again of water and of God, the frailty of your former birth, which you have through men, is cut off, and so . . . you shall be able to attain salvation; but otherwise it is impossible. For thus has the true prophet [Jesus] testified to us with an oath: "Verily, I say to you, that unless a man is born again of water . . . he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven" (The Recognitions of Clement 6:9 [A.D. 221]).

Cyprian
[When] they receive also the baptism of the Church . . . then finally can they be fully sanctified and be the sons of God . . . since it is written, "Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (Letters 71[72]:1 [A.D. 253]).

Council of Carthage VII
"And in the gospel our Lord Jesus Christ spoke with his divine voice, saying, "Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." . . . Unless therefore they receive saving baptism in the Catholic Church, which is one, they cannot be saved, but will be condemned with the carnal in the judgment of the Lord Christ (VII Carthage [A.D. 256]).

Warlady

03-31-2005, 03:11 PM

In honor of Terri and her Mother, Father, sister and brother I have banned MichaelS for 3 months.

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 03:14 PM

Good riddance to the buzzard.

Beowulf

03-31-2005, 03:14 PM

He won't be back, Warlady. Somehow, I don't doubt that.

Warlady

03-31-2005, 03:24 PM

Wow. I just ran a trace on his IP. He is only 10.6 miles from Pinellas Park, Florida. Maybe he really is Michael Schaivo.

dajoga

03-31-2005, 03:34 PM

As I said you interpret differnetly, but we keep it at what the Early Church and Christians taught it as, as do even Lutherans and Anglicans.

But is that what Jesus meant? If he meant baptism, why didn't He say so? And why didn't Nicodemus understand that born again meant baptism?

Maggie_T

03-31-2005, 03:37 PM

I find this out only now. At the Gulag where I work, we're not allowed radios, or Internet, or any other thing that could (gasp!) distract us from the grind. :flame:

Terri, I am so sorry for all your demise. I apologize for the dictatorship and the arrogance of the Imperial Judiciary that allowed you to go through such torture. You are in a better place now. A far better place. May God keep you and grant your loved ones Christian resignation and the strangth to continue with their lives.

Warlady

03-31-2005, 03:38 PM

Can we get back to the topic?

Warlady

03-31-2005, 03:39 PM

Maggie you might also pray that Michael Schaivo stop acting like a prick and let her family have her remains. I was married to a control freak once. It was a horrible experience I don't ever wish to repeat. I can't imagine Terri would want that butt hole to treat her family the way he has. He wouldn't even allow them to be with her in her last moments of life.

UnkHiram

03-31-2005, 03:40 PM

Rest in Peace Terri, we all grieve your passing

Maggie_T

03-31-2005, 03:42 PM

Guys, I cannot tell you how much this scares me. We MUST do something - anything - to stop judicial tyranny.

I'm scared and sad for my country. This sort of thing should not happen here. :shake:

And now, we will have to put up with the endless justification of the "merchants of death." Not to mention the morons that support them.

A sad and alarming day.

Warlady

03-31-2005, 03:44 PM

Antigone

03-31-2005, 03:46 PM

Wow. I just ran a trace on his IP. He is only 10.6 miles from Pinellas Park, Florida. Maybe he really is Michael Schaivo.

:eek: Cue the Twilight Zone music!!

Longhorn_Platinum

03-31-2005, 03:54 PM

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Little Bit Farm

03-31-2005, 03:55 PM

We, as Catholics, do not belevie in being, "Born Again" like you do. Are you suggesting she is in hell because she did not go through the mechanics of whatever you did?

I would be happy to discuss this sometime, but i don't think this thread is the place.

Little Bit farm

Warlady

03-31-2005, 04:05 PM

You're right Little Bit. Start another thread in Religion forum please.

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 04:17 PM

Can we get back to the topic?

Felos was in with her, too, in her last minutes. He's obsessed with the dying process. Check this out: http://smugmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/03/schiavo-atty-scientology-whacko.html

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 04:18 PM

Wow. I just ran a trace on his IP. He is only 10.6 miles from Pinellas Park, Florida. Maybe he really is Michael Schaivo.

Is he in Clearwater?

Maggie_T

03-31-2005, 04:22 PM

Yes it is Maggie and it looks as if Rick Santorum is going to lead the charge to put activist arrogant black-robed dictators in their place. They really screwed up snubbing Congress and the President. They may very well live to regret that choice.

I sincerely hope so, Warlady. More than ever, I want to get the ribbon I put on my sig. I hope their website is ok now. I really want to get the ribbon so I can put it on my car.

Bush must be very strong when it comes to judicial appointees. I hope he smacks democrats on the snout, as they so richly deserve, and gets his conservative nominees approved.

Judicial tyranny MUST be stopped! Enough with these arrogant bastards "interpreting" our Constitution. Our Constitution is very clear. It needs no fancy "interpreting."

I am so mad I feel like kicking something. I wish I had an activist judge at hand. :flame:

RuffhouseFarm

03-31-2005, 04:37 PM

Maggie_T, It might be working now. The site seems to be back up to speed, although loading slowly. You might try again: http://www.theempirejournal.com/

Teenager

03-31-2005, 04:40 PM

WHY? Why did it have to happen?

I feel so crummy inside.

Code Red

03-31-2005, 05:26 PM

Anybody know a place we can find out the names of the judges that ruled for Michael? They need letter written for helping him kill her. I can't believe those liberal judges could do something like this.

Code Red

03-31-2005, 05:38 PM

WHY? Why did it have to happen?

I feel so crummy inside.
It is because the liberals are taking over the justice system. We need to get congress to take control of it.

Maggie_T

03-31-2005, 06:14 PM

Ruff, thank you SO much. I'm working on it. :)

Code Red, you nailed it on the head, mate. :thumb:

SmellyFed

03-31-2005, 07:05 PM

I have seen turds say the same thing, before I flush them. They come right back.

This turd has returned to say that I'm deeply saddened that Terri's life was taken from her.

Rink

03-31-2005, 07:25 PM

My mother told me when I got up that she had died.

I'm sorry this happened, I'm sorry they were cruel to her, I'm sorry a great travesty of justice happened, and I'm very sorry life isnt valued like it used to be in America.

What a sad day this is.

I feel old.

Patriot Heart

03-31-2005, 07:37 PM

WOW Ruff that stuff on Smug Monkey is downright creepy. Sounds to me like an exorcism is in order for George FELONIUS as Michael Savage calls him.

The Funk

03-31-2005, 08:53 PM

Hey everyone, I'd be interested in knowing what you guys think about DNR orders and people who choose not to be surported by life support machines. Would you consider the doctors in those situations murderers when they could possibly save the person or keep them living, if only in a vegetative state? Possibly the lawmakers who enable these to be options would be even more appropriate.

This whole mess has been a tragedy in pretty much every respect, but it seems to me that the flip side of the right to life is the right to death, something that could well have been denied her for 15 years. I'm not happy she died, I can't be happy when anyone dies, but given the quality of life she's had to endure for the last 15 years, and all the trials and tribulations, I can't help but feel a sense of relief that finally her ordeal is over and that she's hopefully gone to a better place.

DesertFox

03-31-2005, 08:57 PM

Funk, in the first place, she wasn't a vegetable. Second, there's every reason to think she was put in that condition by her abusive husband. Third, even if she was a veggie, that was no reason to put her to death by thirst, which is just vicious.

As for your question: I have no problem with living wills and I don't think anyone else here does, either.

Warlady

03-31-2005, 09:37 PM

Funk, you remind me of a person I met today in my doctors office. She didn't know all of the facts either. Once I informed her of Michael Schiavo's actions after he received the 1.6 million dollar settlement, denying her even antibiotics for a bladder infection, asking the nurses if the "bitch has died yet" and refusing even to allow her to have the slightest rehab techniques of a folded wash cloth in her hands to prevent them from dropping and even range of motion exercises and now refusing to allow her blood family from being at her bedside in her final moments of life and now REFUSING TO ALLOW THEM TO EVEN ATTEND THEIR DAUGHTERS FUNERAL. Needless to say she was appalled. I believe I've made my point. Michael Schaivo was a total jerk. He treated Terri's family like shit. I don't believe for a minute that Terri would approve.

There is testimony that Michael Schaivo is a control freak. There is testimony that Terri was planning to divorce him right before her "accident". There is so much conflicting testimony regarding him and how he treated her or should I say "mistreated" her that he should have been removed as her guardian. There is testimony that he stated at the beginning that he didn't know what Terri's wishes were regarding a living will yet 7 years later he changed his story. There are conflicts of interest with the judge who heard the case and Michael Schaivo's attorney and the doctor who diagnosed her. This is truly a travesty. Judicial homicide.

Warlady

03-31-2005, 10:13 PM

mom, I don't believe God will judge our entire nation for the actions of a few. We do much more good than bad. But you're right. We have got to put a stop to this culture of death. Life is too precious to be taken so callously. That includes abortion and euthanasia.

Chris

03-31-2005, 10:37 PM

CzechPrince

03-31-2005, 11:35 PM

But is that what Jesus meant? If he meant baptism, why didn't He say so? And why didn't Nicodemus understand that born again meant baptism?

The bible does not state that being, "Born again" is anything other than the baptism, number one as I already pointed out. Nothing else. Secondly, the early Christians and Church fathers were those closest to Christ, and the scripture does validate that for all of you, "sola scriputra" adherents out there.

CzechPrince

03-31-2005, 11:37 PM

Sorry Warlady, I was not trying to steer off topic, people asked somthing and I felt I needed to respond. Apologies.

Rink

03-31-2005, 11:41 PM

The bible does not state that being, "Born again" is anything other than the baptism, number one as I already pointed out. Nothing else. Secondly, the early Christians and Church fathers were those closest to Christ, and the scripture does validate that for all of you, "sola scriputra" adherents out there.

One question, why then was the criminal who was being executed next to when he told Jesus to remember him when he came into his Kingdom that this day he would be in paradise with Jesus??

That criminal was never 'baptized' by water.

It was 'Born again of the spirit' ONLY that Jesus spoke about.

Silly.

Now back to topic...

RuffhouseFarm

04-01-2005, 02:30 AM

He sent her as a warning. This will be the seminal case that makes or breaks us.

Suzie

04-01-2007, 05:35 PM

Yesterday was a sad anniversary. :(

DeclinetoState

04-01-2007, 09:00 PM

What's really sad is that it has been two years since Michael Schiavo's successful murder of his wife was completed. I also noticed that neither I nor anyone else remarked on this sad event on its one-year anniversary last year.

We had better remember what happened to that poor woman, because sooner or later, it may be one of us in a similar situation.

:(

thoughtomator

04-06-2007, 07:23 PM

God was willing to spare Sodom and Gomorrah, were there only ten righteous men that remained there. He is merciful, and there are enough righteous men in America still, that we won't be anywhere near the top of His hit list (San Francisco not included).