Bury the corpse: The American Public Schools

[Teenager]

20% of kids, before age 15, have already experimented with oral sex. They don't think it's sex either.

The #1 tv show for teenage girls is MTV.

Kids in the Public School system spend more time learning about sex-education than any other subject.

Public schools encourage the free distrubution and use of condoms.

A high number of kids(I think its like 70-90%) have already had intercourse in public schools.

Textbooks contain highly graphic material on sex.

The facts go on and on and on. This is one reason why abortion rates are so high.
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The public school system graduates millions of young people who can't read or write very well. It's rather common to find someone who can't read these day, and it's astonishing(at least, in my eyes). It wasn't this way before the public school system was created. Thomas Jefferson wrote, (and I can't remember the exact words, but this is a close enough), "it is as rare to see someone who can't read as it is seeing an earthquake." Before the public school system came along(1700s and early 1800s), many Americans knew English, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, because those were the languages that the original Bible was written in. It was during this time that America produce its finest thinkers(Edison, Jefferson, Etc.).

What happened? The goverment took control and began implanting state-governed schools(this started happening after the Civil War, which is another thing we can thank Lincoln for :( ), from there the American way of life would never be the same.
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All this info is astounding. Kids are learning, at best, trash at school. They are becoming sexualized. Clothes stores aren't helping much either, because they sell clothes that encourage "sex-symbols". Hollywood is perhaps doing the most damage right now, because kids watch on average 6 1/2 hours of tv a day that's filled with sex, violence, and language. Something like 70% of kids come home from school get on the computer to look at porn(because both the parents are still at work). Half the time, when kids have sex, it occurs on the parents bed. This is all shocking, and it's disgusting. Time magazine did a report on how kids are linked to each other by having sex. They found out that nearly every kid is linked somehow to everybody else, because about 90% of the kids have had sex with each other. It's time to do something about this.

America has gotten itself into a pit of mire, and keeps digging. We need to stop this. It's time to do something. Let's take action. Actions speak volumes. What's the best way?

If you are a parent of a child in a public school(or even a private school), look into their textbooks, find out what they are reading in they're "sex-ed" curriculum. Found out what they are learning about "death-education"(this is one reason why suicide rates are so high). Found out what they watch for 6 1/2 hours on the TV.

If you don't like what they are learning, talk to them about it. Then talk to the school, and do the "op-out" program, which means they won't have to do this garbage.

But the best way to solve this problem, is to put the dead corpse where it belong, in the ground. "Educrats" have had this rotting corpse(public school system) on life-support, even though the body is rotting and stenching. It's time to make a change. The best way to start is make the right choices right now. Get the word, but make sure you walk the walk, don't talk the talk.

And now, I'll end with a familiar quote from a tv program that describes this generation.

"My grandmother would think it, and be ashamed. My mother would do it, and be ashamed. I do it, and don't think a thing about it."

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[PrezLeefun]

I know its shameful...I have already said these things before. We have a grwoing casual attitude towards sex in this country...Thanx Monica and Bill!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Teenager,

I have a reading suggestion for you, if you have not already, read it.

The Underground History of American Education - John Taylor Gatto (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm)
You are saying the same things I have been saying for years. Parental NON-responsibility IS responsible for the mess our education system is in. We don't just need reform, we need a major overhaul. It is time for a philosophical change in the way we view, offer, and expand education. But until PARENTS get on board, the train is going nowhere.

[Lazarus]

Agreed....

[Teenager]

Hms, Thanks for the book suggestion. I looked at the website, and I plan to google the book when I have more free time. But right now I gotta finished my bible study that's due tonight. So long!

:)

[Teenager]

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Police say several students witnessed the sexual abuse of a girl at a Columbus high school.


A 16-year-old student with developmental delays said she was dragged into the auditorium of Mifflin High School, punched and forced to perform oral sex on at least two male students while more than a dozen other students were called in to watch.


One student reportedly videotaped the sex acts, WCMH-TV in Columbus reported. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

click here for the rest. http://www.wpxi.com/news/4374533/detail.html

Our schools are in a mess. What troubles me even more is that the school officials didn't want to call the police.

[ConservativeYouthMovement]

Hmm, I dont think my school has a sex education class or distributes condems, but i guess i never tried to get condems from the school but i never heard of anything like that.
Closest thing to a sex ed class is cell biology, there is a video tape of the 'inside view' which I found just as disgusting as the outside view.... but all it showed was the top of a (word not need be mentioned) and then a white cloud. Then it showed the rest of the process then it showed a live pregnancy (I think thats about the best way to prevent sex ever, especially with no walk in abortion clinics.)

Most people I know dont have 'casual sex' as described above.... that doesnt mean they dont have sex though.

[ShockV1.89]

Do you have a source for all of this? Some of it I believe outright, but some of it is highly suspect... Such as:

Kids in the Public School system spend more time learning about sex-education than any other subject.

A high number of kids(I think its like 70-90%) have already had intercourse in public schools.

Textbooks contain highly graphic material on sex. (although I don't see a problem with this...)

[CzechPrince]

I'm with shock. Their is no way 80% of kids have had sex in school.

[ShockV1.89]

I'd also question their testing methods. Where are they testing? Are they 'aiming' at certain sample groups? I could see a 80% stat if you focused in on an awful, poorly funded inner-city ghetto school....

[gjwandkids]

I have a suggestion for all of you who don't believe it's this bad at your child's school.

Read the textbooks your child is bringing home. If they aren't allowed to bring them home, go to the school and ask to see the textbook. If the teacher won't let you see the textbook.....ask yourself why you aren't allowed to see the books that are being used to educate YOUR child.

I live in a rural area. It is that bad. Everywhere.

[JimRaynor]

Our local school system distributes condoms, at least it did 2 years ago.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Reducing sex to recreation is textbook dehumanization, the process of breaking down individualism and familial loyalties. It's the stuff of Brave New World 101. Fidelity is the stuff of passion, romance and poetry. Promiscuity is just ho-hum . . . and infinity malleable.

[shoemoodoshaloo]

20% of kids, before age 15, have already experimented with oral sex. They don't think it's sex either.

The #1 tv show for teenage girls is MTV.

Kids in the Public School system spend more time learning about sex-education than any other subject.

Public schools encourage the free distrubution and use of condoms.

Textbooks contain highly graphic material on sex.

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Oral sex doesn't cause abortions. It's sad that kids do it so often, but it doesn't produce babies.

Mtv sucks. So do teenage girls.

The statement about kids learning sex-education more than any other subject is completely wrong. It's a lie. I've never met a person who could say that statement is true for their school. In my public school, sex education was taught to use in health class, twice a week for 40 minutes. My chem class was 280 minutes a week. All my other classes were about 200 minutes a week. And health class only taught sex ed for a few weeks.

If sex rates are so high, the free distribution of condoms is important. Kids don't have sex because they have the condoms. If every kid used a condom during sex, there'd be less teenage pregnancies. Why would you want kids to not have access to condoms?

Textbooks are very politically correct, factual and unbiased. The only ones with sexual material are in anatomy class and in sex education classes.

Abstinence doesn't work with kids these days. People don't care to abstain. Getting kids birth control may make them a bit more sexually active, but it keeps them safe. Would you rather have 50% percent of kids having unsafe sex or 80% of kids having safe sex? I'd pick the latter.

When the abstinence people came to my school, they told us that middle-aged, married, christian women have the best sex. When I asked her how she knew that, she told me that she just did. I'd rather deal with open-minded people when it comes to sex. Keeping the world ignorant about sex is the best way to lead to accidental pregnancy, and abortion.

Btw, anyone who can stay abstinent til marriage has my respect, but only a select few kids have that willpower.

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[HomeschoolrsRUs]

but only a select few kids have that willpower.

Forgive me for my bluntness, but bull ca-ca. You are saying children of today lack the willpower of the children of yesterday -- why? Are you saying they are less intelligent? Are you saying they can't be taught right from wrong? Are you saying they MUST have the government's help in "protecting" them from sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies?

Sorry, I don't buy it. The elimination of morally based information in "sex ed," the reduction of parental involvement, the increase of broken home situations is what has led to today's tragedies in the modern American public school system. The "theory" that some type of Utopia can be created by giving people "more information/education" is a fairy tale -- it's not reality.

When you are training children, you DON'T say, I know you are going to play ball in the house anyway, here let me show you the proper way to hold the ball and play catch. You say, DON'T play ball in the house. WILL some children play ball in the house? Yes, but how many more WON'T because you set limits and laid down house rules?

Sex education does NOT belong in the class room -- kids don't need to be educated in how to have sex, or even "safe" (which is a lie) sex. I can completely understand learning about reproduction in biology class, but beyond the scientific and anatomical aspects, anything relating to "sex" should be taught at home, by the parents. Will some parents "drop the ball"? Probably, but you know what? THEY had those kids, THEY are responsible for them. You cannot force society to be responsible for someone else's problems. There will NEVER be a perfect solution, but individual responsibility should ALWAYS trump FORCED societal responsibility.

[shoemoodoshaloo]

I didn't grow up then, but I was unaware that the children of yesterday had such willpower. When I think of the teens of yesterday, I think of the 60's and 70's when promiscuous, premarital sex was an everyday occurrence for many kids (Also our definition of kids may vary. I'm talking about pre-teens up til early twenties). Before then, I doubt that everyone was as celibate as we'd like to think. They were just better at ignoring it and hiding it.

When you said something about them not being able to be taught "right from wrong", I disagree. With sex, there is no right and wrong. It's not black and white; there's too much gray. People mature at different rates and there's no way to tell who is ready for sex and who is not ready for sex. You may think that sex is only acceptable during marriage, but I disagree. If we told two 9 year olds that they were married, would it be ok for them to have sex? Even many 18 year olds in marriage aren't mature enough to handle the package and responsibility that comes with sex.

With this I disagree also The "theory" that some type of Utopia can be created by giving people "more information/education" is a fairy tale -- it's not reality.

I believe that education and information is the way to progression. Information and education lead to advances in technology, society and knowledge as a whole. Without education and information, how could a tribe progress into a civilization? Imagine trying to solve a calculus problem with basic algebra skills. You'd need more information/education. You may disagree, but I strongly believe that this situation applies to society as well.

Your analogy about playing ball in the house doesn't hold up well when applied to sex. Playing ball in the house is not instinctive in nature. Children will want to have sex regardless of what you teach them. This isn't to say that all children will have sex, but some will no matter how many penalties you lay out for them, and it's these children that will depend on safe (which is a lie) sex to keep them from ruining their lives.

I totally agree that parents have a duty to explain sex to their kids, but I don't think that all parents can do it adequately. Sex is taught to kids by experts, by people who have worked in maternity wards, by people who had unwanted pregnancies. The experiences and knowledge (not to mention statistics and figures) can't usually be conveyed the same way by parents.

Personally, I think sex should be taught, but abstinence should be encouraged. Still, when a couple is ready for sex, they will have it and whether or not the act is conducted in a responsible manner is determined by how much knowledge they have. The more the better.

I'd like to note that I appreciated your response to my post, homeschooler. It was a strong opinion, but it didn't bash me personally. This is why I came to these forums, to debate and try to understand how others feel, while maintaining civility. I'm going to recommend this site to any of my friends who are looking for a good forum to debate, while being civil.

[star2589]

there have been some real changes though. problems with premarital sex became apparant around the 60's. at the same time, the age that people got married was getting older.

100 years ago, a girl entered puberty around 16, and got married around 21. today, she enters puberty around 13, and gets married at 27.

that aside, we live in an entirely different culture. yes, people do need to be responsible for their actions, but one cannot ignore the fact that culture is a large influence on those actions.

[Tumblehome]

The study of US schools and the US sex craze is interesting.

Schools in the US tend to produce brilliance or idiocy. You've got some of the best schools there that you'll find anywhere in the world but you've also got a very high percentage of people who can not read or write. I'm not sure if the problem is too little public funding of education or youth cultural aversion to education.

The sex craze in the US is also interesting. Here you've got a society entrenched with puritan values, where nudity is more taboo than violence, yet you've also got one of the most thriving porn industries and children having sex at a very young age. I wonder if this could be cultural backlash to sexual repression and taboo?

In both of the above cases the US seems to be a land of extremes. Extreme education, extreme ignorance, extreme sexual repression, extreme sexual obsession.

[Wyatt_Junker]

I don't know how much has changed really. The same drives, the same whoremones, the same you name it.

Back when I was in grade school, we played happy humper. It was like tag-you're-it except with your genitals. You had to ream the person with a half dozen or so high-powered dry boffs anywhere on their anatomy, just grind right into 'em. It seemed that this typically started as we approached Spring. 4th, 5th and 6th grade.

And it was a private Christian school also. We even wore uniforms, which I think made it worse. It created more mystery about what was potentially underneath. The girls wore pink jumpers, the guys wore corduroys with a rugby shirt.

And we would all be out in the reeds behind the boxcar by a shallow pond just giving it to each other in the most bachannal sense. The entire class, all 30 of us, atop one another throbbing like Abu Gharib.

One day our history teacher caught us, "What in God's name is going on! Git back to class now!" But I could tell he could appreciate it. Hell, his passion was Greek history and we all know what kind of incestuous faggotry that was, what with all the naked greased up athletes and guys in leather skirts.

But there was something about being young that you just can't control. I remember breaking into the science lab and playing with a jug of mercury, pouring it all over the floor and kicking the globs of liquid metal and stamping on them until they turned into little tiny balls of nothing. Meanwhile, my teacher, a sub was locked out. I had rigged the door with a couple mop handles blocking the crash bar. And my friend Johnny was pulling out the tray of pithed frogs. Jimmy with the fake leg was in the front of the class. He used to store porn rags in a little compartment in his prosthetic limb and the oil would drizzle down, big dollops would fall onto the flabby boobs of those pix as we sat eating our grilled cheese sammiches turning the pages.

And then there was Rebeka in her pink jumpsuit, the mule every boy got a turn to ride. She was the rental car. The miles we put on her.

But that was even a good private school, the best that money could buy. No ethnic ghetto hoods. Just anglo saxon brats at a full-on norm. No one got prego. No one odeed. There were a lot of bloody beat downs but that's to be expected. And our teachers were given the greenlight to muscle us around to boot. WE STILL acted like complete assahewles.

[nene]

I agree with Wyatt's contention that kids haven't really changed much, if at all. I can't believe some of the things I did as a kid. I survived and eventually the efforts of my parents and teachers were realized. I've got three son's and the coming years scare the hell out of me. But they also have reason to fear. My insanity is not totally cured. :bil:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I don't believe kids have changed, I believe we (society) has changed the way the deal with them. Society no longer expects children to mind their parents, obey the rules, listen to their elders, respect authority. They EXPECT them to disobey their parents, break the rules, ignore their elders, disrespect and be suspicious of authority.

If we provide an atmosphere of positive expectation for children, I do believe they will rise to meet it (not all, but again, there IS no such place as Utopia). When you except a defeatist stance, that kids are "just going to do it anyway," you are telling the children we have no faith in you, we care not about your safety and welfare, we make no demands of YOU individually to be responsible for making right decisions.

Again, I reiterate, and I personally care not one hoot-nor-whittle if anyone agrees with me. The American Public School system is NO LONGER about academic excellence or education, it is simply about societal indoctrination, and a "free" babysitting service -- with a little reading, writing, and arithmetic thrown in for good measure.

[Geoffrey20005]

Kids haven't changed? I believe that a heavy amount of blame can be placed on the family. Probably everyone over the age of 50 here can remember being in a school that, if a child ever dared to talk back against a teacher, or use a 'bad word' they earned themselves a smacking with a ruler, and one that left marks. This was a time when the child would get the last beating from his parents, when everyone knew he had done an abhorrent act, and they would lay their hand on that child on his way home.

There is not a day that goes by in which I don't think socioety would be a lot better if we had this set-up still... our schools have a problem, and that problem is the 'soccer-mom' generation that dumbed down the system instead of admitting that their child needed more help. It is the people who would readily put a child on an attitudinal-suppresive drug, such as Ridalin, instead of dealing with the child. I know for a fact, if I had been in a public school during my 8th grade year, it would have taken less than a week for my parents to be informed I would need that drug...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Kids haven't changed? I believe that a heavy amount of blame can be placed on the family.

I agree. And just HOW and WHY did the "family" accept the societal changes as the norm? Why were they compelled to believe the "lie" that the family unit (mom, dad, kids) was passé? When did they abdicate responsibility for their OWN children, and authorize the state (in the body of the public education system) to take over the rearing and raising of their child(ren)? When did parents get kicked out of the education process?

That is what is being done. How many hours a day are today's children being influenced by "outside" sources (school, peers, television, radio, computer, sports, clubs, after-school programs, day-care, etc.)? How many hours a day are today's children being influenced by their parents, and their parents' values?

[Geoffrey20005]

Some parent's don't have the right values to influence their children though... that is where part of the problem comes from. Too many parents have the opinion of 'get someone else to do it' They have that infringing attitude, the one where they believe someone will always cover up for them; that they will get away with anything.

It kinda spun off the 'I'm sorry' deal... how many people go commit a crime, or just do something, then expect to be able to say 'Im sorry' and not be held accountable for their crime?

I wont say that teachers aren't to blame either. Like te old addage does, "Those who can do, those who can't teach". This doesn't mean that there aren't good teachers out there, but most of them are in the private schools, because they are good enough to be put there. Those who can't sit in their desk teaching Michael Moore crockumentaries as gospel...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Some parent's don't have the right values to influence their children though... that is where part of the problem comes from. Too many parents have the opinion of 'get someone else to do it' They have that infringing attitude, the one where they believe someone will always cover up for them; that they will get away with anything.

But where did the "attitude" come from?

The basic fact is, if one conceives and bears a child, they are responsible for it too. It's not MY fault as the mother of MY children, because John & Susie Doe do not have the right values to influence THEIR children. THEY should be held accountable for their parenting, not society.

It kinda spun off the 'I'm sorry' deal... how many people go commit a crime, or just do something, then expect to be able to say 'Im sorry' and not be held accountable for their crime?

This is where good old fashioned emotion enters the picture. A politician paints a picture of a poor, homeless, hungry child, shivering in the street with dirty and ragged clothes, struggling in school, picked on by everyone, forced to eat scraps (and I could go on and on creating a masterpiece) -- then they ply the emotional heartstrings of the American people and say NO child should have to suffer this or live this way, GOVERNMENT should do something to fix it. The game is now over, time to ante up. I say, nope, no child SHOULD live that way, so hold their PARENTS responsible for not doing more, not doing ALL they can. I'm sorry, I just do not buy the lie that there are enormous amounts of children suffering this plight because no one will help. They are suffering that plight because their PARENTS won't get a job, or are addicted to drugs or alcohol, are living a self-satisfying life without one care for their child(ren).

I wont say that teachers aren't to blame either. Like te old addage does, "Those who can do, those who can't teach". This doesn't mean that there aren't good teachers out there, but most of them are in the private schools, because they are good enough to be put there. Those who can't sit in their desk teaching Michael Moore crockumentaries as gospel...

I know several honorable teachers, however teaching is no longer considered (by many) to be an honorable profession. Teachers' hands are tied by constrictions of school boards, government funding, teacher's unions, radical special interest groups, etc. Many teachers no longer teach to affect the next generation, the do so to get a paycheck (and many times, not a very good one at that). They have added so many "job descriptions" to the position of teacher -- what happened to simple EDUCATION of academic learning?

Okay, sorry, hot topic button for the day, I will now stand down :soap:

[Teenager]

I'm with shock. Their is no way 80% of kids have had sex in school.

This was from a report in Time mag back around April, maybe. Anyways, it just interviewed one school. They found that 80% of the kids in that school had already had sex. And that all the kids were linked to one another somehow, because one kid would have sex with two or three, and so on. It was suppose to be a top-notch school too.

Does one school represent most schools? I don't know. But it an alarm enough to check out your own school(even if the school is suppose to be really good).

[Charity]

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[Elgalad]

What sort of sex-education curriculum is being taught today in public schools? I'm asking this because I can only refer to my own fuzzy experiences Way back in my own childhood.

I recall learning the basics about 'SEX' in 5th grade public elementary school, which as I recall was more a classroom full of giggling kids and embarassed teachers (I think the school district was trying something new that year and the teachers really didn't seem too enthused with it..)

In 7th or 8th grade, Biology/Health class was more instructive.

This is what I remember from that semester..

1) Sex was taught first as a mechanical process, the anatomy was explained and the basic functions of all the parts were detailed. There were graphic (medical) diagrams and I think some photographs of naked people, but no graphic depictions of the act and no video.

2) Various sexual and familial roles (sociology) were discussed in open class. Homosexuality was very briefly mentioned, but traditional heterosexual roles weren't given much more weight, save to point out that they were 'more common' in society. No real stigma was attached to sexual behavior outside marriage, it was simply seen as a 'choice' that many couples committed to marriage, while others engaged in sex outside of it. :rolleyes:

3) Very brief mention was made of possible side effects of unsafe behavior (std's and pregnancies). This was almost an afterthought.

Keep in mind, I had these classes in the late 1970's, Before the advent of AIDS, but after the so called 'Sexual Revolution' of the 1960's.

I don't know what the curriculum is like today, but from my own experiences in public school, I felt that my fellow students and I were all cheated badly. We were told only that sex is normal, sex is natural, sex is fun!

But somehow they forgot to tell us that sex outside commitment Always ends in heartbreak. That unsafe sex and promiscuity can maim, mutilate, and KILL. That there is no guaranteed 'safe sex' besides abstinence. That millions of human lives are callously butchered every year because they are the inconvenient by-products of gratuitous sex. That millions of women (and men) must then live the rest of their lives chained to that guilt.



I haven't been blessed with any kids of my own yet. But if I do someday, I will take matters into my own hands as some of you here have done and teach them at home where I Know they will receive a valid education.

Because it isn't about Puritanism, it's about Honesty.


-Elgalad

[Teenager]

What sort of sex-education curriculum is being taught today in public schools? I'm asking this because I can only refer to my own fuzzy experiences Way back in my own childhood.

I recall learning the basics about 'SEX' in 5th grade public elementary school, which as I recall was more a classroom full of giggling kids and embarassed teachers (I think the school district was trying something new that year and the teachers really didn't seem too enthused with it..)

In 7th or 8th grade, Biology/Health class was more instructive.

This is what I remember from that semester..

1) Sex was taught first as a mechanical process, the anatomy was explained and the basic functions of all the parts were detailed. There were graphic (medical) diagrams and I think some photographs of naked people, but no graphic depictions of the act and no video.

2) Various sexual and familial roles (sociology) were discussed in open class. Homosexuality was very briefly mentioned, but traditional heterosexual roles weren't given much more weight, save to point out that they were 'more common' in society. No real stigma was attached to sexual behavior outside marriage, it was simply seen as a 'choice' that many couples committed to marriage, while others engaged in sex outside of it. :rolleyes:

3) Very brief mention was made of possible side effects of unsafe behavior (std's and pregnancies). This was almost an afterthought.

Keep in mind, I had these classes in the late 1970's, Before the advent of AIDS, but after the so called 'Sexual Revolution' of the 1960's.

I don't know what the curriculum is like today, but from my own experiences in public school, I felt that my fellow students and I were all cheated badly. We were told only that sex is normal, sex is natural, sex is fun!

But somehow they forgot to tell us that sex outside commitment Always ends in heartbreak. That unsafe sex and promiscuity can maim, mutilate, and KILL. That there is no guaranteed 'safe sex' besides abstinence. That millions of human lives are callously butchered every year because they are the inconvenient by-products of gratuitous sex. That millions of women (and men) must then live the rest of their lives chained to that guilt.



I haven't been blessed with any kids of my own yet. But if I do someday, I will take matters into my own hands as some of you here have done and teach them at home where I Know they will receive a valid education.

Because it isn't about Puritanism, it's about Honesty.


-Elgalad


And that was going on 35 years ago? I'd hate to see what it's like in real public schools nowdays.

[Charity]

I have homeschooled my son now for almost 9 years. Before I started this, I was a mentor in the public school system for 5 years as well as a substitute. It would make you cringe if you saw what went on with 5th graders. One student I mentored one year was only 10 years old and had been sexually active for some time. I will never forget trying to minister to that child. :-(
For some reason it seemed that every year they gave me the very hard cases.

[DesertFox]

Work with illegals from Mexico. They don't always learn, but they don't carry on like little heathens, either. Their parents believe the teacher over their kid.

Wherever I've taught that had a majority of illegals in class, there was no big problem with behavior, even the semester I subbed.

Of course, I'm scary-looking to a kid. But my wife has no problem, either, and she's not large and not mean and not scary. She, and I, just know how to command respect. Teachers generally (not all) used to have that faculty. Tons of them today have no clue.