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Rink
04-29-2005, 03:17 AM
28/04/2005 BBC News - By Neil Smith
Kingdom of Heaven, a $130m (£69m) epic directed by British film-maker Sir Ridley Scott, has its US premiere in Los Angeles on Thursday.

But it has already attracted criticism for its recreation of the 12th Century battle for Jerusalem between Christian crusaders and the Muslim leader Saladin.

With films like Blade Runner, Gladiator and Black Hawk Down, Sir Ridley has taken audiences on epic journeys into space, the past and the future.

But his latest project has uncomfortable resonances in the present, probing as it does the roots of the Middle East conflict and evoking parallels with the US-led campaign to depose Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

"Battles raging in wind-whipped deserts, ancient cities under siege and civilians cowering... Doesn’t it sound like recent news from Iraq?" wrote Alan Riding in the New York Times this week.

Given that topicality, he continues, "is this really a good time to show warring Christians and Muslims as entertainment?"

’Showdown’

Other Crusades experts go further. Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl, professor of Islamic law at the University of California, believes the film promotes the idea of "a civilisational showdown between Islamic and Christian culture".

"In my view, it is inevitable that there will be hate crimes committed directly because of it," he told the Herald newspaper.

Ask the director himself, however, and he defends his work to the hilt.

"I showed the film to one very important Muslim in New York, a lecturer from Columbia, and he said it was the best portrayal of Saladin he’s ever seen," says the 67-year-old veteran.

"The characters portrayed in the film are so important in Muslim culture that I knew we had to do it absolutely properly and correctly.

"Saladin is second only to Mohammed in the Arab world. He was a great man and leader - a general, a politician and a religious icon."

Scott’s words are supported by Ghassan Massoud, the Syrian actor chosen to play the role.

"Saladin fights battles, but he also enters into dialogue," he said. "We want to show that dialogue can be much better than war."

However, some critics believe the film goes too far in its attempts to portray the Muslim side sympathetically.

In the film, the "Kingdom of Heaven" in Jerusalem ultimately collapses under a fiery assault from Saladin’s vastly superior forces.

More on this Story (http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=6741)

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Is it me or is it that every movie that comes out of hollywood treats Muslims as faultless wonders of merciful paragons of virtue? and Christians as greedy money-hungry power grubbing individuals causing the troubles?

Hidalgo is one such idiot epic I saw it on purpose and it shows the muslims in a glowing light, and any non-Christian also in a glowing light and the Christians always in a bad evil light.

(BTW Hidalgo was so completely screwed up and falsified from start to finish from the true story it was disgusting, the desert race, the characters, and even how things went, was completely falsely cooked up)

I digress... carry on :soap:

PrezLeefun
04-29-2005, 05:26 AM
The movie is a love story not a historicaly accurate account of any crusade battle. People should just calm down and enjoy the movie.

Lestat
04-29-2005, 05:30 AM
I stoped watching and renting movies from Hollywood months ago. Virtually every movie they have has some sort of mockery against God in general or Christians in particular. It is a trend to do it and they think it makes them all cool, smart and progressive.

I wonder what would happen if a Christian does a movie attacking homosexuality and or abortion. That would really hit some nerves.

RayChuang
04-29-2005, 07:23 AM
It seems that Hollywood still hasn't learned from The Passion of the Christ experience, that's to be sure. http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/disagree/18.gif

While Hollywood are making expensive movies that are turning out to be financial flops because of their frequently-blantant anti-American and anti-Judeo-Christian subject matters, a movie like The Passion of the Christ--made for a total of US$50 million in production and promotion costs--earned an amazing US$370 million just in the USA alone. :thumb:

Wolfcounsel
04-29-2005, 07:43 AM
"I showed the film to one very important Muslim..." --Ridley Scott, from the link posted by Rink


Pardon me, but that's like saying "I showed the film to one very important Peoples Temple cult member". I say watch the movie and enjoy it, or not.

Wyatt_Junker
04-29-2005, 10:43 AM
Is their blood and seige walls and impalings?

Yes.

That's all I need to know.

Now get me my popcorn.

Conserv_Atticus
04-29-2005, 11:19 AM
i'm with Wyatt, i turn 17, 2 days before this movie comes out, and it is on my "Must See" list. Hooah!!!!!

And Rink i totally agree with you!!!

SmellyFed
04-29-2005, 11:52 AM
Among the dozen or so most written about Crusades, I've always thought the childrens crusades to be the most compelling. All of it is fascinating stuff though.

Like it or not, our forebears had a sense of style, albeit a bloody one. This doesn't have anything to do with the crusades but I was reading not long ago in Bryce D. Lyon's book, "The High Middle Ages: 1000-1300". Apparently a favorite punishment in France and England at the time, if a thief was caught in the marketplace was to nail his ear to a cartwheel and set the cart rolling [down a hill].

I have this mental image of the first couple turns of the wheel, the thief trying to keep up. And then my mental image bursts as I am compelled to fall on the floor, gasping for breath in euphoric laughter.

HomeschoolrsRUs
04-29-2005, 12:29 PM
The movie is a love story not a historicaly accurate account of any crusade battle. People should just calm down and enjoy the movie.

Sister Prez, this type of response worries me, hun. I think, if I might be so bold, you are missing a bigger picture here. I have had this self-same "discussion" with a friend of mine concerning another "entertainment" movie that was aimed at children, "Pocahontas."

In a good world, your point would be a valid one, but it today's society it is just not so. There are people who ACTUALLY view these movies and come to BELIEVE the "account" they see as the true account, despite warnings to the contrary of their "historical accuracy." This is MOST especially harmful in movies aimed at children, who either 1) watch them without parents who will share the truth and point out inconsistencies and explain that it is not historically accurate, or 2) the parent's themselves don't know about the lack of historical accuracy, so CANNOT share with their childre, or 3) the parents just don't care and are detached from what their children view all together.

This is dangerous. There are people who will fall for anything. Prez, need I remind you of Farenheit 9/11(hundred inacuracies)? How many "enlightened" individuals have we encountered here at FC who have come on board posting with "proof" provided from Michael Mooron's "documentary"?

This is a dangerous attitude to take when it is obvious hollyweird is out to distort and pervert history in any way, shape, or form they can. I am NOT telling ANYONE not to go see this movie, I will, however, encourage them NOT to believe everything they see and hear but instead to "prove" it's accuracy by looking up the "real" story.

Apollo5600
04-29-2005, 02:34 PM
I am excited by a movie of the Crusades, though the Muslims have to be treated as the dirty rats that they are. Either way I probably won't see it, StarWars Revenge of the Sith is coming up and I am looking forward to some Kickass Vader action.

Edit: Though maybe I will want to see that "HitchHiker's guide to the Galaxy" movie aswell, it reminds me of Red Dwarf so it is a must see sooner or later.

Apollo5600
04-29-2005, 02:38 PM
With films like Blade Runner, Gladiator and Black Hawk Down,

Those are good movies though.

Wyatt_Junker
05-06-2005, 07:39 PM
Rink, it looks like you were right. Very, very very right.

Its pure agitprop straight from Osama's ass.

Link here (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/)

Patriot Heart
05-07-2005, 10:08 AM
I can't watch movies with Liam Neeson in then anymore....I will just keep thinking of him in that awful role of Alfred Kinsey the pervert sex researcher (which I did not see by the way). He ruined his movies for me by playing that part. And GUESS WHAT he ws interviewed on FOX News the other day, and said he is getting the "role of his dreams".... to play ABRAHAM LINCOLN!!! Ya gotta be kidding!