Is Masturbation Wrong?

[PrezLeefun]

I know you're thinking "What is it with this girl posting these crazy questions?"

You have to understand it brings me great joy to get you guys talking and I think this will do it.

Is masturbation wrong? Is it sinful, selfish or a non issue? What does society say? What about the bible? Is it the act or the thoughts?

Go ahead, whats your take on it?

[Aethariel]

Only if you do it while reading threads here :O

[PaulRevere]

Half of all people masturbate

The other half are lying

[iFocusNews.com]

Only if you do it while reading threads here :O

:icon133:

I think the title of this post should be changed to "Is Masturbation Fun?" Then we'd all be able to have a genuinely honest discussion.

[Human_Error]

:blush: I heard it can make ya go blind!!!! http://www.yourlost.com/lostfiles/uploads/blind.jpg


I always smirk when someone says, "I HAVE NEVER DONE IT HONEST!"

On a serious note, I have heard some say its raping ourselves. Hmmmmmm So would that be a sin unto ourselves?

It's truly a selfish carnal act isn't it?

Maybe a good guage to this is to ask yourself, "Do you ever feel guilty after doing it?"

[DoctorDoom]

Biblically, there is no specific prohibition against it (the misinterpretation of the passage re Onan notwithstanding), but what one fantasizes during the act could very well be sinful.

It does provide sexual release for single people. In marriage, it is IMO a grievous insult to one's spouse.

[Human_Error]

What if one does it while thinking of their spouse?

ummmm or does that ever happen??????<!-- / message -->

[Wyatt_Junker]

What if one does it while thinking of their spouse?

ummmm or does that ever happen??????<!-- / message -->

Happens quite a bit since I'm in the doghouse more often than not.

But seriously, if I may, I have been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. It is no joy ride as often I wake up not knowing who I am. And sometimes I find that I have been molested by people who I don't know and have never even met. I feel cheap every time it happens.

Its like that scene in Evil Dead 2 with the possessed hand. And like a werewolf who has been running all night under the powers of the full moon, I wake up in a moist ball of knotted up twisted sheets in the morning not knowing where I've been...and worse, who I may have hurt as a result of my bloodlust.

(Actually, this was just a parable I made up based on Paul's quandary: I do not do what I want to, but that which I don't want to do, I do.)

I've been to various palm readers to help me in my predicament and when I hold out my hand to them, they recoil. Not. Wanting. To. Touch. Knowing. Where. Its. Been. &. All.

I tell them, 'don't worry, it won't bite, plus I washed with Ivory soap, no make that Braxo, just as vigorously as George Clooney did before he performed heart surgery.' Its to no avail. They still charge me the initial channeling fee (its like a gym membership) and tell me to beat it.

Thank God He didn't install odometer reads on everyone's forearm, or worse, foreheads, for it would be quite telling.

If you are alive, in a human body, you know what I mean. No further comment necessary.

[Human_Error]

Wyatt you are a riot!!!!


I have to share this because well...ummmm...we are discussing it so .....
I got this from this site so you can go and see I am NOT making this up....
sexual sin or not? Do catholics believe its a sin? AND they encourage zoloft?
http://www.saint-mike.org/apologetics/qa/Answers/Faith_Spirituality/f0405150301.html



QUESTION

Hello brother. I have a real problem with masturbation, really. I have been doing it pretty much once a day since I was 14 (I'm 22). It's become more of a habit than anything. I always knew that masturbation was a sin, however I just learned that it is a grave sin. Now, in the past I had took communion, knowing that I was in sin due to my frequent masturbation. Last week, I confessed to this. Since then, I have fallen again to the temptation of masturbation. Having just recently learned that it is a grave sin I will stop masturbating as of now (at least make a real effort to). My question is this: must I confess again before taking part in communion?




ANSWER

Yes, you need to go to Confession if you have fallen into the sin again since last Confession.

I would also advise two things, in addition to the normal elements of advice of staying away from the near occasion of sin, frequent reception of the Sacraments, and such"

1) Temptation normally comes in rather small "windows of opportunity". If we can distract ourselves for a few minutes to allow that "window" to pass, we can be much more successful in resisting the temptation.

For example, when feeling the temptation, get up and do the dishes, mow the lawn, watch the T.V. news, anything that takes you away from that temptation.

2) Habitual indulgence in masturbation is often more than just a habit; it is usually a form of compulsive-obsessiveness. I would advise talking to one's doctor about this. Taking a drug like Zoloff will correct the chemical imbalance in the brain that tends to cause compulsive-obsessive behavior. I know many people who have successfully overcome their habit by use of drugs like Zoloff.

P.S. we have a support group for people who have addictions to sexual sins. It is not open at the moment, but plan on re-opening it this summer

[Sir Knight]

Some priest consider masturbation to be a mortal sin (it is one of th sins called "deadly" because it kills our relationship with God and exposes us to the fires of hell) while other priests have told me 'dont worry about it, I do it all of the time'. Officially speaking, the Catholic church classifies it as a "Grave" Sin. Personally speaking, I think that it is sinful for a male due to the spilling of the seed but not sinful for a female because no such spilling occurs.

[Human_Error]

ok now that is interesting and I don't mean this disrespectful at all....so let me ask you, since you must be catholic, is it true that catholics are taught that climax of the man must always be vaginal? You know what I mean...that like you said never waste seed???? Because what about the man that has had a vasectomy?

[Rink]

It is sinful in the regards that the person, male OR female is indulging in sex OUTSIDE the sanctity of Marriage.

Nobody though is perfect and the only ones that are perfectly celibate is the dead, so we all must resist temptation all the time, no matter what it is, as the devil sends evil spirits out to tempt us in the weaknesses that they know we are most prone to and will do so and hammer us relentlessly till we break.

What MUSt be done is to call upon the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ and admonish and rebuke that evil spirit and cast it out in Jesus' name and do as Our Lord bade every sinner he encountered..... "Go and sin no more"

We are called to 'Sin No More' even though we are prone to sin, we can strive and fight to 'go and sin no more.

This is whats important.

is masturbation a sin, yes I was instructed in the RCC that yes it is a sin and that we must resist that occasion and near occasion to sin and resist the temptation to indulge in that sin.

We are above the animals of this world, we are called to be BETTER than the lustful animals that do it whenever it pleases them, we are called to be civilized and be Godly and holy just as God is holy.

We ALL must continue to fight, strive and work for our sanctification in Jesus' name, as his blood is what has freed us from the wages of sin, we have a chance IF we resist temptation and sin.

Nuthin and nobody is perfect but we can strive towards it cant we?

[DoctorDoom]

What if one does it while thinking of their spouse? In marriage, it is IMO a grievous insult to one's spouse.I should qualify that by saying that if the spouse is not available, e.g., the husband is on a business trip, then the option is there. However, if one is at home spanking the monkey thinking about his wife when she's there to address his sexual needs, then he's a loser.

[PrezLeefun]

I am truly laughing my ass off. This is too funny...Wyatt where do you get that stuff from?lol I'm pretty much on the same page with Doc here.

I have to say that whole idea Sir Knight gave seems silly - sin for the guy, not for the girl

come on either it is sinful for all or sinful for none.

[Sir Knight]

ok now that is interesting and I don't mean this disrespectful at all....so let me ask you, since you must be catholic, is it true that catholics are taught that climax of the man must always be vaginal? You know what I mean...that like you said never waste seed???? Because what about the man that has had a vasectomy? Yes, catholics are taught that climax of the man must always be vaginal. With regards to vasectomies, the OFFICIAL position is that it is still a sin. Personally, I don't see how since there is no wasting of seed but who am I to argue with 2000+ years of experts.

[PrezLeefun]

:icon133:

I think the title of this post should be changed to "Is Masturbation Fun?" Then we'd all be able to have a genuinely honest discussion.
Of course masturbation is fun. Asking that would defeat the purpose of the thread- it would be pretty short lived don't ya think?

Maybe a better question is "Do you ever feel guilty after you masturbate?"
Then again I'm a Jew, and we always feel guilty no matter what so it wouldn't count for me:grin: .

[Sir Knight]

I have to say that whole idea Sir Knight gave seems silly - sin for the guy, not for the girl

come on either it is sinful for all or sinful for none.Let me clarify that the OFFICIAL position of the Catholic church is that it is sinful for both a guy and a gal but PERSONALLY speaking, I can't see how it would be sinful for a girl since there is no spilling of the seed.

[Wolfcounsel]

"...PERSONALLY speaking, I can't see how it would be sinful for a girl since there is no spilling of the seed." --Sir Knight


If she's married, she's having sex without her husband.

[PrezLeefun]

rink you act like we're gonna die if we touch ourselves. take it easy.

[Nutrider99]

Only conservatives masturbate.

Liberals never master anything.

As to whether or not it is a sin, the act is not. The fornication of the mind might be. The sexual release of a man is, in fact, a bilogical necessity. The sexual release of a woman is.... of no importance whatever.

Why do women fake orgasms? They think we care.

How can you tell if your woman is completely satisified? Who gives a damn?

Masturbation is perfectly acceptable if your spouse does it for you, but that should only be the case if she has some kind of lip fungus or just had a tooth pulled.

Perhaps this would be of help. Masturbation is a sin. Sinners go to Hell. Having sex with your spouse is not a sin. Men who have sex with their spouses every time they get the urge have no reason to masturbate. Therefore, ladies, do your duty and save your man from Hell!
:thumb:

[PrezLeefun]

Wow! Nutrider...I just finished a test but the rest of my classmates are still testing. I almost laughed out loud! People are looking at me like "What is this chick doing?"

Jusy so ya know: Ladies need our release as well.

You better care about whether or not we orgasm ( cuz quite frankly if you were married to me you would care)

Furthermore if the lady isn't happy you are not happy- I suppose when you marry you'll learn that. ;)

[iFocusNews.com]

:blush: I heard it can make ya go blind!!!!

If that were true, then I'd make Ray Charles look like an Eagle.

[iFocusNews.com]

Only conservatives masturbate. Liberals never master anything.

LOL.

I got one for ya:

Why do they call it PMS?

Because Mad Cow Disease was already taken!!! :rotflmbo:


And Prez, you sure know a lot about sex for a self-proclaimed 'virgin'. *Raised eyebrow*

[PrezLeefun]

Just because I am a virgin doesn't mean I'm dumb or inexperinced. And most experience I have is a result of pretty dumb moments.

[PrezLeefun]

If that were true, then I'd make Ray Charles look like an Eagle.

In that case I'm a mole rat.

[Nutrider99]

Jusy so ya know: Ladies need our release as well.

You better care about whether or not we orgasm ( cuz quite frankly if you were married to me you would care)

Furthermore if the lady isn't happy you are not happy- I suppose when you marry you'll learn that. ;)
As my wife can attest, I was joking.

Refer to post 75 in RE: Sex Within Marriage. My theories on female multiple orgasms are sound. The class I took in human biology that addressed the issue of the orgasmic cleft was worth the entire expense of college. I can't cite web sites, but I COULD give references. :blush:

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

Is Masturbation Wrong?


Beats me.

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

Matthew 5:28

<SUP id=en-NIV-23263>28</SUP>But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.




Remember Jimmy Carter?

[PrezLeefun]

"Beats me" Is that code? Beating the stick, wacking the willy...etc.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Just because I am a virgin doesn't mean I'm ... inexperinced.

:smirky:

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: Getting back to the topic at hand,...

:smirky: °°°°{I'd better choose my words more carefully.}

:moo: ...I think it's unfair to singles to say that masturbation is a sin. Biologically, a man is going to have an orgasm, & I can only see three choices; sex, masturbation, & wet dreams. Since sex for a single is sin, he can only masturbate, or make a mess of his sheets (or his underwear, if he doesn't sleep nekkid). I'll admit that when I was single, I'd rather have my orgasms in such a way that I wouldn't have such a nasty mess to clean up, than to have to get up in the middle of the night to clean it up.

[PrezLeefun]

What were you smirkin' about mister??? :)

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

:moo: Getting back to the topic at hand,...




:thumb: ROFL

[Human_Error]

After reading what all you have left here all I can conclude is that I have done alot of sinning! Now is the Catholic church the only one that says its a sin? If I am not catholic does that matter?

And nutrider, with a name like yours, I gotta ask you to explain the origin of your name at least in this thread!!!

And can we all address the guilt issue. I think Prez was the only one that did!!! And I know Wyatt should at least have FELT guilty once!!!
So...AFTER you masterbate don't you feel guilty????? And if you say yes... is it a strong enough guilt to keep you from masterbating next time? I suppose if you masterbate more than one time in a day it would be considered compulsive right? A double sin? And do any of you think that suggestion of zoloft was weird or just me?

And BTW....who uses toys or visual aids? LOL I bet that REALLY makes it A SIN!! I bet that is really the origin of tennis elbow. Elbow tissue is ripped away because of sin! :question: Its all becoming more clear now.


Psssssst.....Rink....what do Catholics get told by Priest to do when they confess this??? Not that I am asking for myself.....just for a friend! :faint:

*looks guilty*

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

Here's a Christian analysis of this question from a source I respect: CARM (http://www.carm.org/questions/masterbation.htm)

[TheRealLobo]

Look, it's my shower, my soap, and my body. I can wash it as fast as I want.

[DeclinetoState]

Here's a Christian analysis of this question from a source I respect: CARM (http://www.carm.org/questions/masterbation.htm)

What about Onan in Gen. 38:9?

Some erringly cite Onan in Gen. 38:9 (http://www.carm.org/kjv/Gen/Gen_38.htm#9%C2%A0) who spilled his seed on the ground, as a justification for masturbation. But this is a mistake since this is not dealing with masturbation.

"And Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so it came about that when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground, in order not to give offspring to his brother," (Gen. 38:9 (http://www.carm.org/kjv/Gen/Gen_38.htm#9%C2%A0)).

This is not about masturbation. It is about the failure of Onan to marry Tamar, the widow of his brother, and fulfill his duty to raise offspring in his brother's name. By refusing his obligation, he sinned.

Onanism is not the same as masturbation.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Some erringly cite Onan in Gen. 38:9 (http://www.carm.org/kjv/Gen/Gen_38.htm#9%C2%A0) who spilled his seed on the ground, as a justification for masturbation.

:unsmile: Where'd they get that? I've always heard the "sin of Onan" used to villify masturbation, not to justify it. Sorry, RANDy, but these people are grasping at straws with that one.

[CzechPrince]

My friend Adam, in middle school, asked the priest if it was a sin and apparently, the priest said no.

I was always taught it is a sin IF you are thinking sexual thoughts while doing it, male or female. Most health experts agree that it is very healthy for males, especially before pregnancy planned intercourse, as it makes way for more healthy sperm.

[Nutrider99]

And nutrider, with a name like yours, I gotta ask you to explain the origin of your name at least in this thread!!!
You may remember a show with David Hasselhoff called "Knightrider," about a crime fighter with a wise ass car. I was a smart ass who rode a motorcycle, thus nut-rider. I made up the name in 1998. Since I was ahead of my time, it became Nutrider99.

[Human_Error]

Thanks for clearing that up for me nutrider....

OK guys I have to KNOW...is it a SIN or NOT?

I think we gotta get down to the bottom of this!

I gotta know!

I am a sinner!

[ConservativeYouthMovement]

It is perfectly fine. That is just my opinion, I couldnt tell you if it is biblically sinning for sure. Although, it does say sex before marriage is adultery to your future wife... but how can you commit adultery with..... yourself?

[DoctorDoom]

Where'd they get that? I've always heard the "sin of Onan" used to villify masturbation, not to justify it. Sorry, RANDy, but these people are grasping at straws with that one.The "don't whack the willy" prudes interpret it that way, but read the entire passage.

Gen 38:7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

He was in the process of intercourse when he withdrew and spilled the seed to deny his brother a child (Deut 25:5-10.). He was NOT jerkin' the gherkin.

[Human_Error]

So Doc....there is no biblical source that says masterbation is a sin?

I gotta know!

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: Yeah, I agree that Onan's story has nothing to do with masturbation. In Mark Twain's day, masturbation was wrongly referred to as "Onanism".

:moo: He once said that 95% of all men & boys over the age of 12 have practiced "onanism". The other 5% are liars.

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

:unsmile: Where'd they get that? I've always heard the "sin of Onan" used to villify masturbation, not to justify it. Sorry, RANDy, but these people are grasping at straws with that one.


Oh I don't care. It's just a resource. I would look at the substance of his reasoning though rather than rejecting it because "you've always heard" something else.

[TheRealLobo]

It is perfectly fine. That is just my opinion, I couldnt tell you if it is biblically sinning for sure. Although, it does say sex before marriage is adultery to your future wife... but how can you commit adultery with..... yourself?

Which begs another question. Someday there will be clones. So, if you have sex with your clone is it homosexuality, masturbation, or incest?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

I would look at the substance of his reasoning though rather than rejecting it because "you've always heard" something else.

:moo: Sure, but he'll have to do better than that.

[Human_Error]

Looks like its a sin for mormons

....Steps in Overcoming Masturbation was written by Mark E. Petersen (a member of the Council of the 12 Apostles) and was distributed as a pamphlet written for churches and religious groups in Buffalo, N.Y. in 1989.



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STEPS IN OVERCOMING MASTURBATION

Jun 18,1870 - First Counselor George A Smith tells Salt Lake School of Prophets about "the evil of masterbation" among Utah Mormons. Apostle Lorenzo Snow says that "plural marriage would tend to diminish the evil of self pollution and the indulgence on the part of men was less in plural marriage than in monogamy."

[DoctorDoom]

So Doc....there is no biblical source that says masterbation is a sin?No, there isn't. However, that doesn't stop religionists from twisting Scripture to their advantage.

[DoctorDoom]

Here's a sampling of the Mormon teachings on the subject, about which they are apparently obsessed.

Be assured that you can be cured of your difficulty. Many have been, both male and female, and you can be also if you determine that it must be so.

This determination is the first step. That is where we begin. You must decide that you will end this practice, and when you make that decision, the problem will be greatly reduced at once.

But it must be more than a hope or a wish, more than knowing that it is good for you. It must be actually a decision. If you truly make up your mind that you will be cured, then you will have the strength to resist any tendencies which you may have and any temptations which may come to you. After you have made this decision, then observe the following specific guidelines.

A Guide to Self-Control<ol><li>Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.
<li>If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, you must break off their friendship. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken out of your mind for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.
<li>When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress and then get out of the bathroom into a room where you will have some member of your family present.
<li>When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.
<li>If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, get out of bed and go into the kitchen and fix yourself a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you get your mind on something else. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.
<li>Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.
<li>Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethren. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.
<li>Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, but keep the problem out of your mind by not mentioning it ever -- not in conversation with others, not in your prayers. keep it out of your mind!</ol>Steps In Overcoming Masturbation (http://www.ldolphin.org/mormon.html)

Take them for what they're worth from a religion that teaches that God was once a man.

Here's the RCC's opinion from the 1992 Catechism.

Offenses against chastity: 2352. By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magesterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful, have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen or even extenuate moral culpability.


That's from the church that imposes celibacy on its priests with no scriptural justification whatsoever, pretending that the priesthood turns off the male biological needs and drives. We've seen the results of that over the years.

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.

Humph. I like the way the LSD's put the gospel at the end of the list, after the Book or Moron. And not because it is the word of God but because of "uplifting qualities."

All right, don't get me started.

[Human_Error]

Yeah, I wouldn't follow anything the mormon's had to teach...




Now back to is it a sin....Since there isn't a scripture in the bible to say that masterbation is a sin, then its left up to each of us on our own convictions?

[DoctorDoom]

Essentially so. However, it IS biblical that if you believe that a thing is sinful and you do that thing, it is a sin for you whether the Bible calls it sin or not.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: Human Error will be back in about ten minutes.

[The_RANDy_Corporation]

This topic is oddly popular. Maybe it should be pinned to the top of the list, in which case if you look at the forum index you would see "Sticky: Is Masturbation Wrong?"



*snicker

[DoctorDoom]

Nah, we'll pass on that one, TYVM. :D

[TheRealLobo]

Doc, the list you had left out step number 9. I've included the list as it should be.



A Guide to Self-Control

Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.
If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, you must break off their friendship. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken out of your mind for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.
When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress and then get out of the bathroom into a room where you will have some member of your family present.
When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.
If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, get out of bed and go into the kitchen and fix yourself a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you get your mind on something else. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.
Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.
Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethren. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.
Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, but keep the problem out of your mind by not mentioning it ever -- not in conversation with others, not in your prayers. keep it out of your mind!
If all else fails. Lie about it. Say you aren't doing it any more. Even if directly asked by a family member, friend, someone from the temple, or anyone else. Telling them to mind their own business doesn't always work, as they will expect you to complete steps 1 through 8 again.

[PrezLeefun]

Wait Randy Corp- nothing should get sticky, wash your hands. lol

[Human_Error]

:moo: Human Error will be back in about ten minutes.

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Ok...on the idea of is it right or wrong or a sin or not, does anyone have good books out there written on this subject? Any suggested reading?

Doc, so if we feel guilty after doing this then its probably something we shouldn't be doing right?

[PrezLeefun]

Human Error if you feel guilty you are Jewish like me. lol

[Human_Error]

Ok Prez....what are the Jewish suppose to do about it then? If you went to your rabbi what would he tell you to do about it?

[DoctorDoom]

Doc, so if we feel guilty after doing this then its probably something we shouldn't be doing right?If it's something that one believes s/he shouldn't be doing, whether it's actually sinful or not, it's sinful for the person who believes it.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Although Paul was speaking of eating and drinking, the broader application is that if a person does something believing that it is sinful, it is not done in faith and it therefore IS sinful.

[PrezLeefun]

Ok Prez....what are the Jewish suppose to do about it then? If you went to your rabbi what would he tell you to do about it?
H E I am totally joking. Jews have this thing about guilt-we use it as an excuse for everything. Its how we show our love and humor. It had nothing to do with masturbation- and I dont have a rabbi.

[Human_Error]

H E I am totally joking. Jews have this thing about guilt-we use it as an excuse for everything. Its how we show our love and humor. It had nothing to do with masturbation- and I dont have a rabbi.

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Prez, I don't know why, but after reading that I thought of Seinfield! LOL Do you remember that show they did where the four of them made a bet to see who could go the longest without masterbating? I look at this thread and now I wonder WHO CAN GO THE LONGEST!!!! LOL:question:

*Looks over at Wyatt and holds out my hand....PAY UP NOW!* :nana:

[PrezLeefun]

Sorry H E I dont watch Seinfield. I'm a Friends kinda gal.

[Wolfcounsel]

I've always believed Seinfeld hired people to laugh on his secret cues. I haven't for the life of me found anything remotely funny that he has said.


Okay, now back to the topic.

[PrezLeefun]

Everyone who i have had read this topic has laughed their sweet butts off. MarshmellowKitty told me at school it was "gut busting".

[TheRealLobo]

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Prez, I don't know why, but after reading that I thought of Seinfield! LOL Do you remember that show they did where the four of them made a bet to see who could go the longest without masterbating? I look at this thread and now I wonder WHO CAN GO THE LONGEST!!!! LOL:question:

*Looks over at Wyatt and holds out my hand....PAY UP NOW!* :nana:

Wait a minute. We're talking about masturbation, you think Wyatt can't go long without it, and you're holding YOUR HAND OUT and telling him to PAY UP NOW?

Girl, you may want to rephrase that...LOL!!!!

[Human_Error]

Wait a minute. We're talking about masturbation, you think Wyatt can't go long without it, and you're holding YOUR HAND OUT and telling him to PAY UP NOW?

Girl, you may want to rephrase that...LOL!!!!

Ok Lobo, I guess you DID see the Seinfield episode! LOL

Ok let me rephrase that then for Wyatt....

"PLEASE Wyatt, put your money in a ziplock bag and hand it to me with tongs!"
http://schools.sd68.bc.ca/ruth/Classes/mrtaylor/class20022003/idioms/idioms2003/idioms2/give%20me%20a%20hand.jpg
*thinking Wyatt has Kramer type hair!*
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[Human_Error]

I've always believed Seinfeld hired people to laugh on his secret cues. I haven't for the life of me found anything remotely funny that he has said.


Okay, now back to the topic.


Okay now back to the topic like wolfie said....

btw....you got something you want to tell us Wolfie on the topic?
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[Human_Error]

ONE QUESTION.... HAS THIS THREAD AFFECTED ANY OF YOU?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: Not me.

[Human_Error]

No guilt Longhorn?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:question: About what?

[Human_Error]

:question: About what?

Are you one of those that says they never have done it?

[Rink]

http://www.ntdf.com/images/smilies/cool/36_11_6.gif

[Wolfcounsel]

"Okay now back to the topic like wolfie said....

btw....you got something you want to tell us Wolfie on the topic?" --Human_Error


Confucius say "Man who go to bed with ploblem wake up with solution in hand".

[PrezLeefun]

What was I thinking when I started this thread????!!!!

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Are you one of those that says they never have done it?

:question: Done what?

[PrezLeefun]

Lp you're wackin' right now arn't ya??? lol

[PrezLeefun]

ok i was soooooooooooo joking...

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:smirky: Man, you be playin' too much. (My students say that a lot.)

[Peachdiane]

Lp you're wackin' right now arn't ya??? lol

http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/shock/10.gif

[Human_Error]

YOU all LOOK Guilty to meeeeeee! So pay up!! LOL

I am the ONLY one that this thread has affected.... I am so frustrated! :cryrub:

[TheRealLobo]

I don't any more....

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feel guilty I mean.

[TheRealLobo]

YOU all LOOK Guilty to meeeeeee! So pay up!! LOL

I am the ONLY one that this thread has affected.... I am so frustrated! :cryrub:

If you feel "frustrated" you can always take matters into your own hand.

(Did I really type THAT? I am soooo bad)

[Human_Error]

Ha Ha Real Lobo, I just want a real sure answer on is it a sin or not....and yes this has made me think deeply about the issue.

*its Prez's fault* LOL

[TheRealLobo]

If it's a sin, we're all damned.

[PrezLeefun]

What was I thinking in making this thread???

[Human_Error]

What was I thinking in making this thread??? To deny self pleasure? LOL

Prez, I won't even go look at Was I Wrong? : My Thoughts On Sex (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22203) for fear of how you might shake my sexual psych AGAIN! LOL

[PrezLeefun]

go ahead look at it. Its not bad like this.

[Human_Error]

go ahead look at it. Its not bad like this.


I can't risk it! LOL

The damage has already been done.
Just walk around the crime scene tape......

http://www.augustchristopher.com/pix/murder/outline.jpg

Is that a picture of the Hanson's tossed onto my chalk scene? LOL
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[PrezLeefun]

Nope four guys in the pic...cant be my boys.;) I trust you can risk the thread-its not a comedy.

[Human_Error]

Which Hanson is your favorite?

[PrezLeefun]

Taylor- the middle one.

[Peachdiane]

If you feel "frustrated" you can always take matters into your own hand.

(Did I really type THAT? I am soooo bad)

You not only typed that ...I have proof you did that

To wit: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/liebe/love-smiley-039.gif

[Wolfcounsel]

"Is that a picture of the Hanson's tossed onto my chalk scene?" --Human_Error

It looks like Hebrew writing to me, on the picture.

[TheRealLobo]

You not only typed that ...I have proof you did that

To wit: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/liebe/love-smiley-039.gif

What the HECK does "To wit:" with a little spermy looking thing mean????

[maxparrish]

I know you're thinking "What is it with this girl posting these crazy questions?"

You have to understand it brings me great joy to get you guys talking and I think this will do it.

Is masturbation wrong? Is it sinful, selfish or a non issue? What does society say? What about the bible? Is it the act or the thoughts?

Go ahead, whats your take on it?

Only if you don't call.

[PrezLeefun]

huh?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Now I don't get why someone who ... has a bf ... would masturbate.

:smirky: Maybe it's mutual.

The real thing feels a whole hell of lot better.

:smirky:

[Primitive]

Uh oh, you would like my opinion?
Masturbation is wrong and selfish whether male of female. It takes away from the true meaning of our sexuality which is meant for the relationship of husband and wife. The goal of our sexuality is to give ourselves completly to our spouse (provided we have one). The only reason for masturbation is for the sake of self gratification whether it be to relieve stress or pleasure.
Anything sexual is difficult to accept. Chasitity is staying faithful to your state of life whether you be married (sex only with your spouse), single (no sexual activity) ordained/religious life (no sexual activity). Chastity is not an easy thing by any means to accept or live out yet we are called to do just this. Chastity is a grace we are given by God and we must pray for it.
Contemplate how beautiful it would be to have a spouse that wants truely to experience sexuality with only you and no one else...that is how you begin to understand how loving and beautiful chastity is.
I all reality, those who are chaste are truely alive, while those who are not are indeed dead.
To truely live out our sexuality does not mean we just "have sex" instead, it is our acceptance of who (what) we are and using that in service of the Truth.

I ran across this site, and perhaps it could explain better, or one of its members could as well:
http://www.pureloveclub.com/

[PrezLeefun]

geez calm down dude!

[Primitive]

geez calm down dude!

I am calm. I just thought I'd give my opinion as you asked :smirky:

[JimRaynor]

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehehehehehehehehehehehe

What was the question again?

[Tumblehome]

I think this is a sign of the times. A few decades ago I doubt we'd see this kind of acceptance of masturbation - on a conservative board no less.

Anybody seen the mormon take on this? They have books on how to stop masturbating and they can be truly funny. One of them has a depiction of a boy roping his arms to the headboard so he can't masturbate when he is half asleep and not on guard.

[PrezLeefun]

if you read the thread there is a section on that.