Missing: Natalee Holloway

[Suzie]

Aruba Police say one of the men who took touring student to a beach admits killiing

June 10, 2005, 9:04 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Police say one of three men who took a missing Alabama high school student to the beach admits he killed her.

[Melz]

yep:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html

heard what happened on the news about an hour ago and then got an alert that someone admitted to killing her.

[Suzie]

Aruba Police: Suspect Leading Us to Scene <!-- END HEADLINE -->

<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago



One of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that "something bad" happened to the 18-year-old American, police say.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of the men admitted that "something bad has happened he confessed" and was leading police late Friday night to the scene.

He refused to identify which young man had made the statement in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, who was in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba to celebrate her graduation from a Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham.

A 17-year-old Dutch boy and his two Surinamese friends, identified by defense lawyer David Kock as his client, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother, Deepak, 21, had told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern tip of the island, in the early hours of May 30.

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[Venus de Smilo]

The story has been retracted by the authorities in Aruba. But I think that may be temporary, sadly.

What a lovely, accomplished young woman. I just hate hearing about his sort of thing any time, but particularly when it involves the loss of a promising young person.

I'm afraid alcohol got the best of her judgment. It's too bad that this country isn't more like Europe in this respect. One of the few European customs that I agree with is that young people are introduced to modest amounts of alcohol starting in their mid-teens. Just a glass of wine at dinner, champagne at a special occasion, holidays, etc., or maybe a beer or two at a picnics or family gatherings. As a result, Europe doesn't have near the problems with underage heavy drinking that we do.

[Rink]

My question would be, why the heck are teenagers in Aruba ALONE for? and what was goin on in the minds of their chaperones when most cept I hear one went home on a private jet leaving the kids in Aruba, In a FOREIGN country Alone for????

These kids should Not have ever been left without supervision and they ALL should have been traveling in pairs, and not ever be left alone.

This is just plain stupid.

[Warlady]

How does AP misquote a police official to this extent?

[Webruary]

News flash from Foxnews.com

[Suzie]

I wonder if they could have druged her and it killed her or made her fall. Right now it sounds like something they didn't intend to happen but it did. Of course anyone would say that if they are facing murder I suppose. Fox news is saying they have a body. :(

[Webruary]

Moral of story: don't get drunk in a foreign country and agree to go someplace with four young local men in a car and start making out with one of them in the backseat if you are a beautiful young blond American. Just because your'e on vacation in a beautiful resort city doesn't mean that no rules of common sense apply.

A very sad day for her parents and all of us with young daughters.

[Wyatt_Junker]

They found the body?

[Suzie]

FOX is saying they have.

[Venus de Smilo]

I wonder if they could have druged her and it killed her or made her fall. Right now it sounds like something they didn't intend to happen but it did. Of course anyone would say that if they are facing murder I suppose. Fox news is saying they have a body. :(

Aruba has about one murder per year, if that. What I'm afraid is going to happen is that the authorities there will fail to properly gather forensic evidence. Actually, they already have, just by letting the three guys go for a couple days before picking them up again. They had time to clean the car and get their stories straight during that time. The case will turn on the medical examiner's skills and the interrogator's to a lesser extent. That may be a tall order for the Aruban authorities. The FBI is present, but only to "assist and observe", and I have no idea what the politics of that is. Their future participation in the investigation may be welcome or very limited. These guys are the sons of prominent businessmen and were given special treatment by releasing them while the two guys from the wrong side of the tracks who were also potential suspects were held. I'm afraid a brutal crime may be covered up and ruled an accident. But if they try that, once the body is released the family can have a professional ME perform a forensic autopsy, so hopefully that will keep the Aruban authorities straight. The only thing worse for their American tourism industry than a murder would be covering up a murder.

RIP, Natalee.

[Suzie]

Now they are saying the biological father is being taken to the location of the body before the location is released to the public. But the biological mother says that she was to be notified if a body was discovered and she has not. So there are conficting stories.

[Venus de Smilo]

I'm starting to wonder if these various "conflicting stories" aren't by design.

Apparently the three weren't even under surveillance during the time they were out of custody for a few days. Stunning incompetence.:rolleyes:

[Suzie]

I agree the parents really need to find some answers themselves. Sounds like they aren't communicating well if the reports are true about the 2 stories from each of them. They need to work together and make sure the right person is punished for this. I hope they can set aside any problems the 2 of them may have and do that. This isn't the time for divorced couples to hold on to differences.

[Venus de Smilo]

Suzie, I wonder if it's a situation where one parent wanted her to go and the other one was against the idea. If so, they likely won't unite, given that there was already tension between them from the divorce apparently. If they could at least get their act together in terms of the legal pursuits, it would greatly benefit them both.

The mother may be in total denial and that's what's driving her statements.

[Suzie]

Yeah, that could be. Of course one would assume they have some sort of issues with each other or they wouldn't be divorced. Not knowing what those are or if they were able to get past those or if they even get along now it's hard to say. If it's a recent divorce it might be tough. But I hear at least the mother is remarried because her last name is now Twitty, so you would think she has had enough time to move on. But I agree this is something they really need to do for justice to be served, hopefully they will see that too. But with the media jumping on every little speck of news we have a blurry picture to try and figure out what this is, to say the least.

[Venus de Smilo]

Fox News now reporting that blood evidence was found in the vehicle and is being sent to the U.S. for testing.

That's a step in the right direction, but evidence gathering problems still abound.

They're also reporting that the main suspect is the son of an official WHO IS ABOUT TO BECOME A JUDGE.

Great.

[Suzie]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Saturday, June 11, 2005, 1:19 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) A spokeswoman for the family of an Alabama honors student missing in Aruba says her body has not been found.


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[Wolfcounsel]

"They're also reporting that the main suspect is the son of an official WHO IS ABOUT TO BECOME A JUDGE." --Venus de Smilo


Hmm. I don't believe tourists will give a rat's ass what kind of turd's father is about to become judge. There might be a boycott of the tourism trade if a murder gets swept under the coconut leaves.

How many of you out there are planning to send your daughters to Aruba knowing there may be several "prominent but anonymous" as*holes running around with no qualms about murdering young women?

[Conserv_Atticus]

My God, the media are such dumbass'.

[Suzie]

She is 17 according to FOX news.

[Suzie]

Well some stories are saying 18 but FOX said 17 earlier. Who knows they don't seem to have anything right in any news source right now.

[JimRaynor]

Fox is just as bad as CNN at verifying... it's like wolves with meat lol.
That's the media for ya! (Not anti-Fox, just stating that)
If it bleeds it leads.

[Suzie]

They are reporting on FOX that another woman disappeared while on a stop made by a cruise ship that had 3 men take her to the same bar where she was last seen. I have heard they are questioning the possiblity of some sort of sex trade, collecting attractive females and taking them to another country. They have known this to take place on other caribean islands. That sounds scary, but if that were true she could be alive and then there is at least hope. I am not so sure about this idea, but I pray she is still alive.

[Venus de Smilo]

Yeah ur right. My bad. Parents must have signed off on her going. I knwo they picked Aruba cause it had a lower drinking age.

Aruba was chosen because it's considered by far the safest place in the Carribbean. The drinking age is 18 because it's a Dutch protectorate. The drinking age in The Netherlands is 18 or 16 if with an adult. They have very little crime there and the Aruban authorities have no clue as to how to deal with this kind of crime. Apparently Dutch investigators and an ME, if and when needed, will handle the matter.

Now the story of the confession and the location of the body has been retracted. The only piece of information confirmed is the blood taken from the Honda and sent to the U.S. and The Netherlands. I don't know if we're witnessing Van Der Sloot's father throwing his weight around and backtracking damage done by his kid opening his mouth or if the Aruban authorities really are just inexperienced bunglers who can't control rumors. At this point, I suspect the former. If so, the question is will the Dutch authorities let them get away with it. I suspect not.

[Venus de Smilo]

They are reporting on FOX that another woman disappeared while on a stop made by a cruise ship that had 3 men take her to the same bar where she was last seen. I have heard they are questioning the possiblity of some sort of sex trade, collecting attractive females and taking them to another country. They have known this to take place on other caribean islands. That sounds scary, but if that were true she could be alive and then there is at least hope. I am not so sure about this idea, but I pray she is still alive.

The sex slave trade is run out of Venezuela, but I think they're talking about the woman who went missing in Curacao, not Aruba, but I could be wrong. Are you sure they said Aruba?

If these three guys are involved, the sex slave angle doesn't seem likely, but if it's the other two guys, maybe. I wondered that when the attention was focused on the two guys (who had just lost their jobs the night before).

I hope she's alive, too, but the blood in the car doesn't bode well for her being alive. Natalee met Van Der Sloot two days before. It's his car that has the blood in it. I think that's the direction this is going to go.

[Venus de Smilo]

Well some stories are saying 18 but FOX said 17 earlier. Who knows they don't seem to have anything right in any news source right now.

I heard 17, too, but I doubt that the bartenders there check closely. Bad for bidness.

[Suzie]

Here's the story on the other girl, http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/articleC9EA0BE766874EA4A0B051B9B0C8239F.asp

[Venus de Smilo]

Fox is just as bad as CNN at verifying... it's like wolves with meat lol.
That's the media for ya! (Not anti-Fox, just stating that)
If it bleeds it leads.

Not only is Fox much better at getting the facts, they correct them immediately when they're wrong. The problem in this case is not our media. They're reporting what they're told by the spokesperson for the authorities in Aruba, although the story about the confession and the body came directly from a police official, which is why this is starting to stink, IMO. The other problem is that this little island government doesn't have a designated spokesperson. They hired somebody from some little law office to be their spokesperson for this case - might be a lawyer, might be a clerk, might be the janitor. Keep in mind Aruba has a total population of about 70k people and is 72 square miles in size. That means the entire island is roughly 8 miles by 9 miles.

[Venus de Smilo]

Here's the story on the other girl, http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/articleC9EA0BE766874EA4A0B051B9B0C8239F.asp

Yes, that was the one being discussed on Fox News. My mistake. Maybe they were talking about her being spotted on Curacao.

[Suzie]

I changed the thread title since there has been a news correction, I guess this will cover the entire range of info we are getting. I hope we can have one that reads found alive soon.

[Suzie]

I just heard the subtance found in the car wasn't blood.

[Venus de Smilo]

I hadn't heard that one. Geraldo interviewed the minister of Justice the other day - Saturday, I think. The Minister confirmed that blood was found and sent to the U.S. and Holland for analysis. So, I dunno what's going on, but I suspect that the police got some damaging info about Jaren Van Der Sloot whose dad, now a top judge on the island, and his lawyer managed to put the kabash on and that's why we're seeing stories retracted. I think we're seeing a cover-up. Those reports came from the police chief. Then they were retracted. What's wrong with that picture? Even though their law about releasing information to the media differs from ours, retracting reports that are true would not cure the problem of releasing information that's not supposed to be released - it would add to the problem.

I wonder if our ambassador to Holland is doing anything about this through back channels. This case needs to be taken away from the Aruban authorities and managed at a more professional level by the Dutch who do have a competent system.

[Suzie]

They mention the info on the blood on this page. And the story gives a good run down of why this has to be heartbreaking and frustrating at the same time for this family. http://crime.about.com/b/a/177039.htm

[Suzie]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Monday, June 13, 2005, 8:15 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) A defense attorney says two former hotel security guards detained in the disappearance of an Alabama student have been released.


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[Suzie]

Disc Jockey Detained in Alabama Teen Case <!-- END HEADLINE -->

<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago



A disc jockey on an Aruban tourist party boat was detained Friday in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, making him the fourth person held by police since the honors student vanished last month.

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved, although she expressed increasing frustration with the pace of the investigation. Beth Holloway Twitty also held onto hope that her 18-year-old daughter, last seen May 30, was still alive.

Steve Gregory Croes, 26, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and voluntarily gave a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

MORE HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050618/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=ApJub5TEvqVGOypMSVMXBOBG2o cA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)

[Suzie]

The Van Der Sloot boy's father has been arrested. Wonder if he helped him do something with her?
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[Suzie]

They are saying on FOX that he is being held as a suspect not a witness.

[Suzie]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Thursday, June 23, 2005, 11:50 AM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Authorities have detained the father of a Dutch teen in custody for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his wife says.


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[Suzie]

The story is up on yahoo now.....


Aruba Police Detain Father of Dutch Teen <!-- END HEADLINE -->
<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago



Aruban police on Thursday detained the father of a Dutch teen already in custody in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the teen's mother said.

"My husband was just picked up by police," Anita van der Sloot, referring to Paul van der Sloot, said in a telephone call to The Associated Press. "I don't know what to think."

Paul van der Sloot is a judicial official on the Dutch Caribbean island.




MORE HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050623/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen)

[SunnyBrook]

Hmmm...accessory? obstruction? or something more sinister...

...maybe there's truth to the rumors floating around about sex slave abductions.

[dajoga]

HEre's my $.02 worth--I think Natalee is alive and in some shiek's harem.

[Suzie]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Friday, July 1, 2005, 1:46 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Aruba's chief prosecutor says three young men detained in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager have been charged with murder since their arrest.


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[TechnoPrincess]

I hope they at least tell her parents where to find her so they can bury thier precious daughter.

[Suzie]

<!--StartFragment --> They say it wasn't long after their arrest. If they have known she was dead, why haven't they told the parents that so they would at least know hope is gone.

[Warlady]

This is news to me. Last I heard no charges have been filed on anyone yet.

[Suzie]

I am starting to think no one even has a clue when it comes to this case.....

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Friday, July 1, 2005, 3:23 PM PDT

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Aruba's chief government spokesman says three detained in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager have not been formally charged but could be as soon as Monday.

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[Kali]

This is a nightmare. Has it been over a month now that she's been missing? The poor poor parents.:unsmile:

I can't believe that couldn't get one of the three to tell them what really happened to Natalee.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - The chief prosecutor in Aruba says three young men have been charged with murder in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old high-school student from Alabama.The prosecutor tells the Associated Press that the murder charges were filed soon after their arrest more than three weeks ago. She says the charges weren't announced at the time, to protect the family of the missing honors student.

Janssen said the prosecution was centering its case around e-mail and cell phone text messages written between the suspects the night Holloway disappeared. Janssen declined to offer further details about the messages, but said not having a body would make getting a murder conviction "more difficult but not impossible."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0... (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0701missingteen-ON.html)

*:unsmile:

[Warlady]

The chief prosecutor has retracted that statement since Aruba doesn't charge people with crimes. It's not in their law. They are suspects until a trial. I don't understand their laws at all.

[Suzie]

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FBI: Hair Not From Teen Missing in Aruba

<!-- END HEADLINE --><!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 12 minutes ago


Strands of blond hair found stuck on duct tape in Aruba did not come from Natalee Holloway, the FBI said Thursday, the latest lead to come to nothing in the two-month old search for the missing American teenager.

The hair, which was found on July 17, was subjected to genetic testing at the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., and the results showed they did not come from the 18-year-old who has been missing since May 30, said spokeswoman Judy Orihuela.

"It wasn't Natalee's hair," Orihuela said.

A park ranger found the duct tape on July 17 while collecting trash on Aruba's northeast coast — the opposite side of the island from where the Alabama woman was last seen in public.



MORE HERE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen)

[Suzie]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Thursday, September 1, 2005, 2:55 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) The father of a Dutch suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway says a judge has ordered his son released.


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[Suzie]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Friday, September 2, 2005, 12:53 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Defense lawyers say a judge has ordered the release of two Surinamese brothers suspected in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager.


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[Suzie]

Police arrest suspects in Holloway case (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkmOpURHGIEAPwnQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZ yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=12u6gbm00/EXP=1195767566/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071121/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen_2) http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sch/bn/nw2.gif (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkmOpURHGIEAQAnQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZ yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=12u6gbm00/EXP=1195767566/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071121/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen_2)
AP via Yahoo! News - 15 minutes ago Three young men who were previously detained as suspects in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway have been re-arrested in the case, the Aruban public prosecutor's office said Wednesday.

I wonder if they found something?

[CzechPrince]

The story has been retracted by the authorities in Aruba. But I think that may be temporary, sadly.

What a lovely, accomplished young woman. I just hate hearing about his sort of thing any time, but particularly when it involves the loss of a promising young person.

I'm afraid alcohol got the best of her judgment. It's too bad that this country isn't more like Europe in this respect. One of the few European customs that I agree with is that young people are introduced to modest amounts of alcohol starting in their mid-teens. Just a glass of wine at dinner, champagne at a special occasion, holidays, etc., or maybe a beer or two at a picnics or family gatherings. As a result, Europe doesn't have near the problems with underage heavy drinking that we do.

Don't kid yourself. Europeans drink heavily, more than most Americans, it's just the drinking ages are low in every country, half the time aren't even enforced.

The primary reason Europeans don't have the alcohol problems we do is because most don't need to drive. Most Europeans live in towns or cities where cars aren't necessary.

[Aaron]

Don't kid yourself. Europeans drink heavily, more than most Americans, it's just the drinking ages are low in every country, half the time aren't even enforced.

The primary reason Europeans don't have the alcohol problems we do is because most don't need to drive. Most Europeans live in towns or cities where cars aren't necessary.

Yep, true that. Been to England, France, and been to Poland several times and for the most part we walked everywhere. Took the equivalent of the Metra to go across the countries.

I got to admit that Europe has pretty good, and cheap public transport. I live near Chicago and we have easy, cheap access to the city but I wish more cities were as good as Chicago.

Edit-Glad the new info came up. Maybe one day we will get these three kids.

[Rhino]

Dear God, please please please please please please please don't let Fox News go back to 'All Natelee, All The Time' reporting!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Incident_command]

AMEN!!