Fighting the "Culture of Death"

[Primitive]

I am starting this thread (my first) to see who would agree with me on this, and who whould have other opinions as well. It was origionally posted in a different thread but became off topic (hence, the new thread).
I disagree with many labels we give ourselves like liberal, conservative and progressive etc...I can't fit myself properly into one because I am not a politician, I just a young middle class citizen who wants much change I our nation because it seems to me like we are on a sinking ship. If any, I suppose I'd call myself conservative, but that doesn't even fit because I find many conservatives seem to think I take things a little too far on certain issues.
A question was asked of me what I would suggest, so here is enough to get the thread going:
First, I would prefer to register independent but not as part of the "Independent Party". It is unwise to let the politcians to know who and how many are on their side. We should support only those who are for freedom, not for the interest/ideals of political agendas. We need to move away from this "two party" attitude.
Being American means that we stick with the fundamental reason for our country existing, that being freedom from tyranny.
I despise the public education system. I can not understand why parents trust the government with anything, let alone the education of their children. Were I to have children I would feel safer having them company to a pack of wolves...at least then they would not be taught to sin and live lives of free sex and actions without consequense.
It is not right to live as a host in a country, enjoy their freedoms and not put any fight back into it. Those who are physically and mentally capable and do not serve our country in some way may be may be wonderful people for all I know, but it is wrong of us to act as parasites. It is our duty to defend our country as long as she (the US) is true and moral. This does not mean we all have to go enlist in the army, but we should defend our nation from all enemies both foriegn and domestic, by supporting truth, morality, and family. Any person can serve our country by prayer for our nation, our leaders, and our troops...that is MORE than sufficient, and greatly appreciated. Prayer does things that fighting can't, it truly decides the outcome of battles.
We are called to live in the world but not to be part of it. By that I mean that the world is full of empty promises and "things". There is more to our existence than this life only. As for how we live in the world and not become part of it...There is only one way to do that, and that is through prayer. Most people don't want to pray though because it requires discipline and faith and depriving themselves of the things of the world. We (in general) are too weak to give up TV, movies and immoral sex...For example, we complain about the Hollywood types speaking ill of our country and going against our true American ideals. Hollywood promotes immorality, perverted sexuality and violence, yet we continue to waste our money supporting this filth, Why?
It is the same with the baseball steroid fiasco...why are we even supporting these professional sports in the first place? They do nothing but entertain, it is a game, that is all.
Should we revolt? I have not put a whole lot of thought into that because I am not one to condone violent resolutions. However, we can "revolt" by refusing to give in to things like those I have stated above (TV, movies, professional sports, etc...). In my opinion, we should try our government officials for treason. We have entrusted them with the duties of defending our nation and representing us, yet they pass laws that kill our unborn children, corrupt the morals of our youth, and fail to promote the proper forms of equality in the name of "fairness" and "acceptance". I believe it is proper to love the sinner and hate the sin and has been taught to all Christians.
maybe you agree, maybe not...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I am starting this thread (my first) to see who would agree with me on this, and who whould have other opinions as well. It was origionally posted in a different thread but became off topic (hence, the new thread).

Thank you, Prim. You did just fine for your first thread.

I disagree with many labels we give ourselves like liberal, conservative and progressive etc...I can't fit myself properly into one because I am not a politician, I just a young middle class citizen who wants much change I our nation because it seems to me like we are on a sinking ship. If any, I suppose I'd call myself conservative, but that doesn't even fit because I find many conservatives seem to think I take things a little too far on certain issues.

Getting in touch with one's convictions is a daunting task. Too many don't take the time to truly evaluate what they believe in so very rarely know the depth of their own opinion.

A question was asked of me what I would suggest, so here is enough to get the thread going:
First, I would prefer to register independent but not as part of the "Independent Party". It is unwise to let the politcians to know who and how many are on their side. We should support only those who are for freedom, not for the interest/ideals of political agendas. We need to move away from this "two party" attitude.
Being American means that we stick with the fundamental reason for our country existing, that being freedom from tyranny.

I probably agree mostly in theory, but not in practice. First there are very few truly independents in this country, for the simple fact by sheer definition if one is independent, they don't fall easily into a "group." Without a "group" there can be no unity, no majority, no success. We must align ourselves with the "group" that speaks loudest to, and for, those core convictions that are to us AS individuals, unconditionally absolute.

As a true Southerner, I can certainly agree with your last principle -- we down here understand tyranny from within, surely we do. :smirky:

I despise the public education system. I can not understand why parents trust the government with anything, let alone the education of their children. Were I to have children I would feel safer having them company to a pack of wolves...at least then they would not be taught to sin and live lives of free sex and actions without consequense.

Prim, I have mixed feelings about the public education system -- the strongest is, though, that government needs to get its hands out of the works. With government pulling the strings, even in situations such as vouchers, THAT'S when I agree (mostly) with your opinion of the PES.

I would like to suggest an OUTSTANDING book with TREMENDOUS insight into American Public Education -- The Underground History of American Education - John Taylor Gatto (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm)

It is not right to live as a host in a country, enjoy their freedoms and not put any fight back into it. Those who are physically and mentally capable and do not serve our country in some way may be may be wonderful people for all I know, but it is wrong of us to act as parasites. It is our duty to defend our country as long as she (the US) is true and moral. This does not mean we all have to go enlist in the army, but we should defend our nation from all enemies both foriegn and domestic, by supporting truth, morality, and family. Any person can serve our country by prayer for our nation, our leaders, and our troops...that is MORE than sufficient, and greatly appreciated. Prayer does things that fighting can't, it truly decides the outcome of battles.

Well, there's only one problem --- to be a truly free society (free from tyranny), one must also be free to make the wrong choices, bad mistakes, errors, and even to choose NOT to believe in God. How then can a person serve our country, if not in the military, if they do not (believe in) pray(er)? I believe the aspect of a parasitic that is endemic to the parasite is their belief that they are "owed" certain rights for free without any personal, individual responsibility/effect. How does one break another of this mentality?

We are called to live in the world but not to be part of it. By that I mean that the world is full of empty promises and "things". There is more to our existence than this life only. As for how we live in the world and not become part of it...There is only one way to do that, and that is through prayer. Most people don't want to pray though because it requires discipline and faith and depriving themselves of the things of the world. We (in general) are too weak to give up TV, movies and immoral sex...For example, we complain about the Hollywood types speaking ill of our country and going against our true American ideals. Hollywood promotes immorality, perverted sexuality and violence, yet we continue to waste our money supporting this filth, Why?

You'll find more who walk the talk here. We are pretty good at putting feet to our convictions, and we don't suffer the hollyweirdos, the libiots, or the demonicrats lightly. We aren't a buch of whiners and complainers offering a lot of talk and little action -- we mobilize.

It is the same with the baseball steroid fiasco...why are we even supporting these professional sports in the first place? They do nothing but entertain, it is a game, that is all.

Answer: Get the government OUT of the public sector, and back to the job at hand. Government is not about viagra for prisoners, abortions for the poor, retirement money for the senior citizen, or television (PBS) for the too-cheap-to-get-a-dish-or-cable populace.

Should we revolt? I have not put a whole lot of thought into that because I am not one to condone violent resolutions. However, we can "revolt" by refusing to give in to things like those I have stated above (TV, movies, professional sports, etc...).

We have been at the "revolt," as you have defined it above, for some time now. It's not doing any good. We need to get more active, in my opinion. Begin drives in our own communities to defund wasteful government spending programs, work on impeaching those in office who have not, or refuse to do, the will of the people, get more involved in politics by running for office ourself or backing a known like-minded individual's campaign, etc.

In my opinion, we should try our government officials for treason.

Which ones (government officials) would you suggest, how would you go about making it so, what explanation would hold up in court as to this action, and how would you enforce it?

We have entrusted them with the duties of defending our nation and representing us, yet they pass laws that kill our unborn children, corrupt the morals of our youth, and fail to promote the proper forms of equality in the name of "fairness" and "acceptance".

"Equality" is a myth, it doesn't exist. We are constantly comparing apples to oranges, and just because they're both fruits, we think we can make them comparable. Life is not fair. We are not supposed to tolerate criminal behavior, government waste, or provide cradle-to-grave care for our citizenry. "We" cannot say much in our defense, if "we" aren't willing to get involved and work toward the changing -- and by that, I mean, run for office ourselves, start a campaign for a like-minded compatriot, etc.

I believe it is proper to love the sinner and hate the sin and has been taught to all Christians.
maybe you agree, maybe not...

I semi-agree . . . until we put non-Christians, non-religious, and any others who don't "think like we do" into the mix. America is a melting-pot, a conglomeration of all kinds of differing things. Until we (FINALLY) settle on the absolute foundation upon which we want this country to continue, we will instead continue down the path toward LESS freedom and MORE government control. Opponents of an absolute foundation will never agree to this, because they think everything is subjective. Here we go 'round that mulberry bush . . . again.

[ILikeIke]

I semi-agree . . . until we put non-Christians, non-religious, and any others who don't "think like we do" into the mix. America is a melting-pot, a conglomeration of all kinds of differing things. Until we (FINALLY) settle on the absolute foundation upon which we want this country to continue, we will instead continue down the path toward LESS freedom and MORE government control. Opponents of an absolute foundation will never agree to this, because they think everything is subjective. Here we go 'round that mulberry bush . . . again.

We already have an "absolute foundation" in the declaration of independence and the 5th and the 14th amendments. Life, liberty, and pursuit of property/happiness, in that order. That means, for instance, that the constitution is pro-life, and not pro-choice, because life comes before choice (liberty). Absolute foundations do not require religion.

That said, off I go to church, I guess. :tongue:

[Primitive]

HomeschoolrsRUs,
I understand your points, but two in particular interest me...
1) I am curious as to where you think we should draw the line in all of the government involvement. I for one can't say I agree with much of any government involvement. I'd prefer the government did nothing but serve as protection from all threats foreign and domestic.
2) When you talk about schools I can't help but wonder what you might think we should do about them. We can't say that everyone has a "right" to education, for it is indeed a privilage. But we still have to keep schools available to everyone if we want to be successful as a counrty (intelligent people=advancement). The problem it that we are letting the government have their way with our youth at the risk of their own souls. After seeing the book recommendation you made, I realized that you are a parent, and that you must homeshool...so I'm looking for you own experienced based opinion since I have no children and am curious :question: .
I went to 12 years of private school and thought that was even too "liberal".