Like This Kid Stands A Chance: Another Caption Opp.

[Beowulf]

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"Stop Or I'll......"

[Tumblehome]

"Tienamen (sp?) - Part Deux" coming soon to a theatre near you.

or

"Dammit Daddy! Yer always forgetting the keys. Here. Catch."

[Apollo5600]

Probably a young suicide bomber in training.

[S-T]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/Beowulf58/boyvstank.jpg

"Prepare to face the wrath of Don Quixote the XXVI, infidel!"

[nene]

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"Hopefully my father will be proud!"


...poor little kid...

[iFocusNews.com]

No caption just a question: Is that little brat serious?

[DesertFox]

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"Take that, foul infidel!"</center>

[TechnoPrincess]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/Beowulf58/boyvstank.jpg


"Da Tank...Da Tank...BOSS...Da Tank"

[DoctorDoom]

It's how they are raised. They are taught nothing but hatred and violence. One day this kid will strap on a belt of explosives and kill himself along with as many innocent people as he can get near, for the glory of Allah. And when he discovers that he was lied to by white-bearded old bastards in oversized dew rags, it will be too late.

[DesertFox]

In the meantime, somebody oughtta show him how to throw a curve. That's why they have so many weirdos over there -- nothing fun to do to occupy the time. We need to introduce baseball.

[BEST45CAL]

"OMG! They killed Kamal! You bastards!

[Suzie]

Good heavens what did they do to that tank?

[tacitus]

Probably a young suicide bomber in training.

Not for long. Squish!

[Suzie]

And Tankers get pissed when they have to rinse out the treads to get rid of chunks that will stink.

[aaron11]

I just wanna know how much the photographer paid that young lad for the next Cover Photo...

Awful convenient that he happened to be standing there just then while their is know one else around...Their probably isn't even anyone in that tank...

Knew it had been too long since the last time they had pics of kids throwing stones at oncoming tanks "To show the desperate plee of the poor Palestinians "murderous scumbags"

[BEST45CAL]

I just wanna know how much the photographer paid that young lad for the next Cover Photo...

Awful convenient that he happened to be standing there just then while their is know one else around...Their probably isn't even anyone in that tank...

Knew it had been too long since the last time they had pics of kids throwing stones at oncoming tanks "To show the desperate plee of the poor Palestinians "murderous scumbags"

I think the photo is fake, too. Where's the shadow for the tank's long gun barrel?

[aaron11]

I think the photo is fake, too. Where's the shadow for the tank's long gun barrel?

Exactly,
Where's the kids shadow?

[Suzie]

The tanks shadow is on the other side. So the gun barrel wouldn't show. This image I am attaching I KNOW wasn't doctored. Now the kid may have been pasted in to the shot though.

[bannerman]

the amatuer practioner of the photo montage who put that image together did undeed forget that small detail of the childs shadow.

i guarantee it.

[DesertFox]

Kid's shadow is there, including the outstretched left leg.

[Suzie]

I think so too, it's just really stretched. The sun must be low and to the east.

[DesertFox]

What's all them boxes 'n' shit on the tank? You can hardly see the turret.

[aaron11]

What's all them boxes 'n' shit on the tank? You can hardly see the turret.

Armor, They are filled with either kevlar or explosives wich explode to counter act a direct hit...

[Suzie]

It looks like an old Russian T62 that they have mocked up armor for. Must have been one they captured long ago and "remodeled" to increase the armor plates.

[Beowulf]

Actually, Suzy, it's an M60A2 model tank reworked with counter exploding armor plating. It also has flares mounted off to the side of the gun.

The Marines still use this model tank as their main battle tanks.

[Suzie]

No the treads aren't right for that. The treads on that tank are Russian.
A "before" picture. http://www.armyrecognition.com/Russe/vehicules_lourds/T_62/T-62_31.jpg

The M60A2 is an American Tank, notice the difference in the gun barrels too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M60.jpg

[aaron11]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/Beowulf58/boyvstank.jpg

Take a close look at the kids under arm and around his neck...See the original back ground...lol

I don't know what is creating that shadow, it actually looks like it from across the street...If that was his left leg's shadow then where is the shadow from his outstretched arm?

Looks funny...

But even if it isn't doctored its still choreographed all the way...

[Suzie]

The Marines still use this model tank as their main battle tanks.

Are you SURE about that? The army moved up to the M1 around the time of the first Gulf War. I don't know what the Marines have though.

The M60 is what my husband trained on when he first got in. Back in the 80's and they were old then. I have a tiny one I bought at the Patton museum years ago that was a necklace charm. But even I have since upgraded to the M1A1:grin:

I am still looking for a M1A2. :crossfing

If my husband was here he could tell us exactly what this is. When he gets back I can ask and I will PM you.

[aaron11]

Not exactly sure what model that is, But i dont think the Israeli's have any russian tanks...And it would not suprise me if they are still using some of our old M60...Who knows what kind of reworking they have done to them...

[Suzie]

Okay I did research and here's what I found.....

Home-Grown

As is often the case, the problem for Israel's "home-grown" tank program in the past has been ponying up enough cash. Through the late 1970s, Israel had to content itself with upgrading and improving the surplus American M4, M48, M60, British Centurions, and the captured Soviet T55 and T62 tanks it had in its inventory. Unfortunately, the Yom Kippur War of 1973 came as a rude awakening to the IDF. During the war, Russian-made, man-portable anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) decimated Israeli tank formations, and with their destruction came the hard truth that tanks may be replaceable, but crews are not. Logistical issues associated with supplying and servicing several dissimilar vehicle types also brought the issue to a head. What was needed was an "in house" tank that would be well-suited for crew protection and the type of urban, built-up combat environments Israel found itself in. Enter the Merkava.


SOURCE (http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Merkava,,00.html)

[Suzie]

Not exactly sure what model that is, But i dont think the Israeli's have any russian tanks...And it would not suprise me if they are still using some of our old M60...Who knows what kind of reworking they have done to them...

Oh I am not debating that they use the M60's it's just that tank isn't one unless they put Russian treads on it and changed the gun tube. :tank:

[Suzie]

I think I found it.



http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/AFV/MBT/ti67blazer_001.jpg

Israel once again showed the world that they could salvage anything when they captured hundreds of T-54 and T-55's from the 1967 war. The IDF added a Multi-fuel engine, a 105mm gun, a targeting computer and a Laser Range Finder; and fitted the tank with reactive armour. It was disliked by many soldiers, and thus sent back to second and third line units.

During the ID-4 War, the Ti-67 was refitted with a PPC ALF in place of the 105mm gun.
http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/AFV/MBT/T-34.htm

The Russian built T54 is an improved T34 (Russian World War II production tank). The first prototype of the T54 appeared in 1947. It was taken into service in approximately 35 countries, not all of them in the Communist Bloc, and was built under license in China and several Warsaw pact countries. The T54 had a longer hull, a larger turret, thicker armour, and a more powerful gun then the T34. The hull is all welded steel and the turret is a large single casting with cupolas and hatches welded on. The suspension is the same as the Christie-type on the T34, with a gap between the first two road wheels to take up the extra hull length. The T54 has been used in the Arab-Israeli wars, in Vietnam, Algeria, Angola, Somalia and Desert Storm. Even today, where ever there is fighting going on, it is a very good possibility that you will see the T54 there.

More info http://www.aaftankmuseum.com/Archive2T54-55.htm

[BEST45CAL]

A-ha! I thought that tank looked "familiar."

Those reactive armor plates on that tank look as if they're an aftermarket add-on. It sho ain't an Abrams.

[BuckeyeMike]

After today's SCOTUS decision, The child represents the American citizen, The tank represents the US government! Do go gettin all het up folks, its just an analogy.

[DoctorDoom]

The kid was definitely added to the pic, rather amateurishly. Note the JPEG artifacts all around him in the blow up attached. They don't exist in the rest of the shot. I've seen that kid before. Time for some hunting.

[Apollo5600]

Maybe we should let some bloggers go at it too, crucify some more lib assholes?

[Blowback]

"Pancake in Training"

[Faithful_Servant]

Exactly,
Where's the kids shadow?
Both the kid's shadow and the tank's are onthe left side of the photo. They're pretty stretched out and the angle and cropping make them hard to see, but they are there. Take a look just to left of the kid's left foot and you'll see the shadow from his foot right where you would expect it to be if the sun was fairly low.

IMO, the photo is real, but my guess is that the tank is unmanned. There's no top gunners and the tank isn't moving (no dust). My best bet is that it's a staged shot of a kid throwing a rock at an unmanned tank.

[DoctorDoom]

Nah, it's faked, and very badly in an age when Photoshop could have made the fraud all but undetectable.

[Beowulf]

Are you SURE about that? The army moved up to the M1 around the time of the first Gulf War. I don't know what the Marines have though.

The M60 is what my husband trained on when he first got in. Back in the 80's and they were old then. I have a tiny one I bought at the Patton museum years ago that was a necklace charm. But even I have since upgraded to the M1A1:grin:

I am still looking for a M1A2. :crossfing

If my husband was here he could tell us exactly what this is. When he gets back I can ask and I will PM you.

Yes, I'm sure. First up, the Russians didn't start using tread return wheels until they developed the T-72. Yes, the Marines still use the M-60 tank as do many Army Guard units. They're still very formidable adversaries but don't have the speed of the M1 and can be modified rather easily.

Israel pretty much uses the Merkava tank, a home grown piece of equipment.
Suzie, if you hubby proves me wrong, I will kiss your butt before my fellow freecers.

[TheRealLobo]

...
Suzie, if you hubby proves me wrong, I will kiss your butt before my fellow freecers.

And if her hubby proves you right, I'll kiss her butt anyway. ;)

(Lobo, duckin' and runnin')

[Suzie]

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Yes, I'm sure. First up, the Russians didn't start using tread return wheels until they developed the T-72. Yes, the Marines still use the M-60 tank as do many Army Guard units. They're still very formidable adversaries but don't have the speed of the M1 and can be modified rather easily.

Israel pretty much uses the Merkava tank, a home grown piece of equipment.
Suzie, if you hubby proves me wrong, I will kiss your butt before my fellow freecers.

Active units no longer use the M1A1, it has been retired from active duty. The Guard units use the M1A1.


M1 / IPM1 Abrams Main Battle Tank





Designed in the 1970's by the Land Systems Division of the General Dynamics Corporation in response to the U.S. Army's MBT-70 program, the first M1 rolled off the assembly line in 1978. After two years of acceptance trials, the first of these vehicles was delivered to the US Army on February 28, 1980. By 1985, evaluations of field service had prompted the first modification requests, and production shifted to the M1A1. The first M1A1's were delivered to units in August of 1985. The Army has converted 368 older M1s to M1A2s. An additional 580 M1s are being upgraded to A2s under a five-year contract awarded in FY1996, with a total of 998 M1 upgrades planned. In 1999 the Army began upgrading M1s to the M1A2 System Enhancement Program (SEP) configuration. The SEP embeds digitization capabilities inside the Abrams’ electronic architecture, eliminating the requirement for electronic appliques.

The last original model of the M1 tank was retired from duty in the active Army in September 1996. HHC, 2-81 Armor of the 1st Armor Training Brigade at Fort Knox used this early model of the M1 to train National Guard and Reserve units. It was the last active duty unit to carry this model in its inventory. The Fort Knox armor unit’s 10 M1s being retired from active duty were rebuilt as M1A2s. Meanwhile, the unit was to receive M1A2s as replacements.

The original M1 revolutionized the Army’s combat capabilities and marked a turning point in U.S. tank development. Its most impressive feature was its special armor, a composite “sandwich” of steel and other materials capable of defeating HEAT rounds in addition to kinetic energy penetrators. The M1 was faster and more maneuverable than its predecessors in the M60 series, while offering a lower, smaller silhouette. It was constructed of flat armor sections welded together, rather than armor castings, the method used in earlier U.S tanks. The earliest M1s were armed with the M60’s 105mm rifled cannon, a British design first adopted to the final versions of the old M48 series. Subsequent M1s were upgunned with the German Rheinmetall smoothbore cannon of 120mm. Another revolutionary feature of the first M1 tanks were their turbine engines, replacing the diesels that powered the M48 and M60 series tanks. The engine change, despite a penalty in fuel consumption, resulted in much quieter operation, so much so that soldiers encountering the tank in early maneuvers dubbed it “Whispering Death.” SOURCE (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1.htm)




This is my husband, in a National Guard M1A1 Tank, taken about 4 years ago. Kiss kiss. :grin:

[Suzie]

Yes, I'm sure. First up, the Russians didn't start using tread return wheels until they developed the T-72.

Did you see this post? http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showpost.php?p=279081&postcount=32

[aaron11]

Maybe my eyes are failing me but that russian tank looks nothing like the one in the original picture. The turrets are differant.

I wish the original post had left a link to where he found the picture...

[Suzie]

It doesn't look the same because Israel modified it.
Israel once again showed the world that they could salvage anything when they captured hundreds of T-54 and T-55's from the 1967 war. The IDF added a Multi-fuel engine, a 105mm gun, a targeting computer and a Laser Range Finder; and fitted the tank with reactive armour. It was disliked by many soldiers, and thus sent back to second and third line units.

During the ID-4 War, the Ti-67 was refitted with a PPC ALF in place of the 105mm gun.

[Suzie]

I am of course not certain which one they modified but, you can see the Russian Built T-54 does indeed have the treads.

[aaron11]

Who's to say that it was'nt the treads that were modified?
And no I am not trying to be argumenetive...Theirs just some reason my brain keeps talling me that's an M60. Despite the fact that I know you have more knowledge and experiance with tanks...

BTW Tell your hubby "Keep up the good work!" My uncle was a tanker...They let him Drive! arghhhh...lol

[Suzie]

I said earlier they could have put russian treads on a M60 and a different gun after they get all the panel armor on it's hard to tell what might be under them. But my argument for the most part with the last post was with Beo saying that the Russians didn't have "tread return wheels" until the T-72. Because you can see them on the T-54.


Thanks. Tankers are the best.

[aaron11]

I said earlier they could have put russian treads on a M60 and a different gun after they get all the panel armor on it's hard to tell what might be under them. But my argument for the most part with the last post was with Beo saying that the Russians didn't have "tread return wheels" until the T-72. Because you can see them on the T-54.


Thanks. Tankers are the best.

Ahh I see, sorry I missed that...Carrie on!:moo:

[Suzie]

I will still have to ask my husband what it is, he should know. We have tank stuff every where here. Photos, drawings, little decks of cards with all types foreign and domestic. Even a cigarette lighter that looks like a tank. If he thought he could get away with it we would probably have one in the driveway. :rolleyes:

[tacitus]

If he thought he could get away with it we would probably have one in the driveway. :rolleyes:

There's a problem with that?

[aaron11]

If he thought he could get away with it we would probably have one in the driveway. :rolleyes:

Hell yea! :tank2: :tank1: :tank2:

[Suzie]

LOL we were at a conference once and they had a model the size of my coffee table. I was really afraid it would soon BE my coffee table. Lucky for me it was out of our price range. :lol:

[Bluemoon_Rising]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/Beowulf58/boyvstank.jpg
"Stop Or I'll......"

. . . shit my pants.

[Beowulf]

The T-54 didn't have return wheels. Things we were taught in IDing Soviet/American tanks:

-Soviet tanks keep the bore evacuator toward the end of the gun. US and most allied tanks keep it closer to the turret. THAT cannot be modified.
-Soviet block tanks use roundish search lights. US tank are more square.
-Soviet tanks use external fuel tanks. US tanks do not.

Like I said, Suzie, I'm prett confident in what I said. If I'm wrong, well, you know.

[Suzie]

Well if we remember all of this once he gets home I will ask him. :lol:

Kiss kiss again for you and lobo. :grin:

[DesertFox]

Check this (http://www.voentour.com/tanks/t_34.shtml) out.

[aaron11]

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[DesertFox]

Fixed. Try it again.

[Suzie]

Hmmm Very interesting. :grin:

[aaron11]

Yea cool tank...:thumb:

[JimRaynor]

Maybe off-topic, but this is my favorite web site, bar-none for looking at a nations military capability:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html

[Suzie]

I would all of this shows this kid, "didn't stand a chance" . :D

[Suzie]

I spoke with him on the phone. Naturally I couldn't show him the photo so the jury is still out on that one. But I was able to confirm that the M-60 is no longer used. When the M1A1 was retired from active duty the M-60's became extinct, and they got the M1A1's and the active got M1A2.

[Suzie]

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[DesertFox]

Slick site, Sooz. Thanks.

[Suzie]

Now every one can study their vehicle identification. There will be a test later. :D

[Beowulf]

Now every one can study their vehicle identification. There will be a test later. :D

Made by your hubby, no doubt. I welcome the chance.