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DesertFox
07-01-2005, 01:19 AM
Kay S. Hymowitz
City Journal
Spring 2005

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why have we been able to make so little headway in improving the life chances of poor black children? One reason towers over all others, and it’s the one Cosby was alluding to, however crudely, in his town-hall meetings: poor black parents rear their children very differently from the way middle-class parents do, and even by the time the kids are four years old, the results are extremely hard to change. Academics and poverty mavens know this to be the case, though they try to soften the harshness of its implications. They point out—correctly—that poor parents say they want the same things for their kids that everyone does: a good job, a nice home, and a satisfying family life. They observe that poor parents don’t have the money or the time or the psychological well-being to do a lot of the quasi-educational things that middle-class parents do with their young children, such as going to the circus or buying Legos. They argue that educational deprivation means that the poor don’t know the best child-rearing methods; they have never taken Psych 101, nor have their friends presented them with copies of What to Expect: The Toddler Years at their baby showers.

But these explanations shy away from the one reason that renders others moot: poor parents raise their kids differently, because they see being parents differently. They are not simply middle-class parents manqué; they have their own culture of child rearing, and—not to mince words—that culture is a recipe for more poverty. Without addressing that fact head-on, not much will ever change.

Social scientists have long been aware of an immense gap in the way poor parents and middle-class parents, whatever their color, treat their children, including during the earliest years of life. On the most obvious level, middle-class parents read more to their kids, and they use a larger vocabulary, than poor parents do. They have more books and educational materials in the house; according to Inequality at the Starting Gate, the average white child entering kindergarten in 1998 had 93 books, while the average black child had fewer than half that number. All of that seems like what you would expect given that the poor have less money and lower levels of education.

But poor parents differ in ways that are less predictably the consequences of poverty or the lack of high school diplomas. Researchers find that low-income parents are more likely to spank or hit their children. They talk less to their kids and are more likely to give commands or prohibitions when they do talk: “Put that fork down!” rather than the more soccer-mommish, “Why don’t you give me that fork so that you don’t get hurt?” In general, middle-class parents speak in ways designed to elicit responses from their children, pointing out objects they should notice and asking lots of questions: “That’s a horse. What does a horsie say?” (or that middle-class mantra, “What’s the magic word?”). Middle-class mothers also give more positive feedback: “That’s right! Neigh! What a smart girl!” Poor parents do little of this.

The difference between middle-class and low-income child rearing has been captured at its starkest—and most unsettling—by Betty Hart and Todd R. Risley in their 1995 book Meaningful Differences. As War on Poverty foot soldiers with a special interest in language development, Hart and Risley were troubled by the mediocre results of the curriculum they had helped design at the Turner House Preschool in a poor black Kansas City neighborhood. Comparing their subjects with those at a lab school for the children of University of Kansas professors, Hart and Risley found to their dismay that not only did the university kids know more words than the Turner kids, but they learned faster. The gap between upper- and lower-income kids, they concluded, “seemed unalterable by intervention by the time the children were 4 years old.”

Trying to understand why, their team set out to observe parents and children in their homes doing the things they ordinarily did—hanging out, talking, eating dinner, watching television. The results were mind-boggling: in the first years of life, the average number of words heard per hour was 2,150 for professors’ kids, 1,250 for working-class children, and 620 for children in welfare families.

But the problem went further. Welfare parents in the study didn’t just talk less; their talk was meaner and more distracted. Consider this description of two-year-old Inge and her mother:

Inge’s mother is sitting in the living room watching television. Inge . . . gets her mother’s keys from the couch. Her mother initiates, “Bring them keys back here. You ain’t going nowhere.”

Inge drops [a] spoon on the coffee table. Her mother initiates, “O.K., now leave it alone, O.K., Inge?” . . . When she picks the spoon up again, her mother initiates, “Come here. Let me bite you if you gonna keep on meddling.” Inge goes on playing; when she bangs the spoon on the coffee table, her mother initiates, “Inge, stop.”

. . . Inge sits on the couch beside her to watch TV and says something incomprehensible. Mother responds, “Quit copying off of me. You a copy cat.” . . . Inge gets a ball and says, “Ball.” Her mother says, “It’s a ball.” Inge says “Ball,” and her mother repeats “Ball.” When Inge throws the ball over by the TV as she repeats words from a commercial, her mother responds, “You know better. Why you do that? . . . Don’t throw it no more.”

It’s easy to spot what’s wrong here. Inge’s mother does not try to interest her daughter in anything—though observers noted that there were toys, including a plastic stethoscope, in the house. A different mother might pick up the stethoscope, call it by its name, pretend to use it, and invite the child to do the same. Instead, Inge’s mother’s communication can largely be summed up by the word “no.” You can’t chalk this up to a lack of feeling. Hart and Risley observe that the mother is “concerned, nurturing and affectionate”; at other points in the transcript, she kisses and hugs her child, dresses her, and makes sure she gets to the bathroom when she needs to. Nor can you argue that she simply doesn’t know how to engage or teach her child. Notice that she repeats the word “ball” to reinforce her daughter’s learning; at other times, she points out that a character on television is sleeping. But she does all this as if it were an afterthought rather than, as a middle-class mother might, one of the first rules of parenting.

In other words, Inge’s mother seems to lack not so much a set of skills as the motivation to bring them to bear in a consistent, mindful way. In middle-class families, the child’s development—emotional, social, and (these days, above all) cognitive—takes center stage. It is the family’s raison d’être, its state religion. It’s the reason for that Mozart or Rafi tape in the morning and that bedtime story at night, for finding out all you can about a teacher in the fall and for Little League in the spring, for all the books, crib mobiles, trips to the museum, and limits on TV. It’s the reason, even, for careful family planning; fewer children, properly spaced, allow parents to focus ample attention on each one. Just about everything that defines middle-class parenting—talking to a child, asking questions, reasoning rather than spanking—consciously aims at education or child development. In The Family in the Modern Age, sociologist Brigitte Berger traces how the nuclear family arose in large measure to provide the environment for the “family’s great educational mission.”

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shoemoodoshaloo
07-01-2005, 01:55 AM
Good post.

I come from a poor area and have always pondered what makes the poverty gap so blatent. It seems that poor people have sub-par standards. It's a chicken or the egg thing. Are they poor because they're uneducated and trashy, or is it the other way around? I guess it's a cyclic combination of both.

This problem is so hush hush. I can't talk to my dad about it because he dismisses it as our (the avg american's) fault. Other people think I"m racist when I point out that the amount of poor blacks per poor white is much greater than the avg of middle class blacks to middle class whites.

Some people argue that taking away welfare would solve the problem, but I don't know. It could work, but then again, it could cause mass chaos.

HomeschoolrsRUs
07-01-2005, 08:39 AM
I agree, good post, but I had another thought as well. I don't think it's actually just the poverty angle that is at work here. There has been a general de-valuing of life, it's importance, and it's uniqueness. Parents USED to want better for their children, then along came the "me" generation. Parents began believing that what was "best" for their children was for their parents (themselves) to be "happy." Sacrifice was lost by the wayside. Society has bought the lie that parents must be happy and fulfilled to BE good parents, when in reality parents need to put the welfare of their children above their personal wants and desires.

My mother came from what can only be called a very low-class family situation. Her parents were farmers, had 4 children (actually 5, but 1 died at birth). Her mom sewed her clothing, they all had chores, they struggled to go to school because their efforts were needed to support the family. But my grandparents sacrficed GREATLY so that their children could have BETTER than they had, so that they could have opportunities.

I believe the difference is the societal mentality that children are just "extras," and are not valued for the person they are and can be.

nene
07-01-2005, 09:31 AM
from the article:"Lareau’s sample is extremely small, but surely it is no statistical accident that all of her middle-class children are growing up with their own two parents, while her poor children are growing up in homes without their fathers."

A kid needs a father.

TechnoPrincess
07-01-2005, 10:04 AM
I think that the current "entitlement" beliefs of the poor (of all colors) is what holds them back from so much. It seems that the children of those that are poor seem to think that they are entitled to a car, and a big TV, and to live in a big house, and don't think that they should have to work for it. It has become and expectation that someone else should have to provide this for them. They do not want to have to work like everyone else to get it. Because someone else has something, they should be able to have it also.
I don't think that the welfare state in this country helps them either. Welfare reform has helped, but they still feel like they should get a hand-out from "those with more". Remember all of the outrage that the poor didn't get a rebate check, even though THEY DON'T PAY TAXES. We kept hearing how this was unfair, yet why is it fair to give someone "money back" when they didn't pay money in the first place?

UhUhNoWay
07-01-2005, 10:10 AM
I notice that the title says black, but most of the discussion focuses around socio economic class rather than race (as it should in my opinion) I can agree with most posts, adding that it isn't JUST poverty...it isn't JUST expectations...It isn't JUST lack of a nuclear family...I believe it also has a lot to do with the amount of aid that is available and expected these days. It tends to 'breed' for lack of a better word, a whole culture of people who have no motivation to better their lives or those of their children.
I used to live in what can only be called a 'ghetto' when I was newly married. What I saw (and this is anecdotal but I suspect it is common) was young single mothers, overwhelmed by lack of education, overwhelmed by responsibility of children, and trapped in a cycle, they didn't even realize wasn't the 'norm'. Everyone they knew was a drop out, everyone they knew was on public assistance, and everyone they knew 'worked' the system, everyone they knew figured out ways to make cash under the table and keep their assistance, or made just enough to not lose their benefits.
I always felt out of place, that was not how I was raised, and we worked hard to get out of there. We didn't fit in and I was glad for that, however most did not have the perspective I had. We weren't well off by any standards growing up...7 children...home made clothes, and many of those were hand me downs several times over...but we were taught education was important, hard work was required, and dropping out of school was NOT an option.
I still keep in touch with a few from the old neighborhood...none of them have completely gotten out of the 'system' but some are doing better...a couple have gotten their GEDs but none are working full time jobs outside their homes...This is almost 10 years later.
I think the real culprit is our social assistance programs...it's taken away one of the keys to success...motivation...and given us a class of people that have no clue where the money comes from nor do they care as long as it continues to come in.

shoemoodoshaloo
07-01-2005, 03:11 PM
Homeschool, do you think a link between public education and poverty exists? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

DesertFox
07-01-2005, 06:36 PM
It's all in how you're raised. The point of the article is that kids need constant loving attention, what used to be called Tee Ell Cee (Tender Loving Care), from the day they're born, and it has to be maintained. Without it, something in their brains turns off by the time they're 3 or 4 and can't be switched on again, as happens with potty training. Their very ability to learn is stunted. Rather than becoming the knowledge- sponges that kids are supposed to be at those ages, they can't soak up knowledge effortlessly.

That loving parental attention, more than the ABC's per se (though that matters too), is the issue. Psychologically, a kid surrounded by TLC grows up knowing the world is a safe place to explore, that it rewards the curious and enjoys his company. By those cues he learns to value himself AND others and experiences learning as something fun and rewarding.

The kid who doesn't get TLC finds the world inexplicable and hasn't a clue about how to understand it. The indifference he encounters in his parents tells him he's not worth much, so he never learns to expect much of himself. His curiosity gets blunted when his questions go unanswered, which blunts his practice at concentrating on something for extended periods.

Kids with hostile parents, of course, learn a much harsher lesson: That they are bad (because they get punished so often and so harshly) and that asking questions earns hard words in loud, threatening voices, earns black eyes and fat lips, is positively dangerous.

Once that gels, and I expect it's already solidifying by age 1, it's there for life. It's horrible that perfectly good human material gets ruined by parents unready for or incapable of parenting.

HomeschoolrsRUs
07-01-2005, 09:56 PM
Homeschool, do you think a link between public education and poverty exists? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

shoe,
I'm not quite sure what answer you are seeking. Can you flesh out your question a bit for me? Do you mean, do I believe public education is responsible for poverty? Or that a poor public education leads to poverty? Or the impoverished cannot make good use of a public education?

I believe many factors contribute, but I believe the "patient zero" is the devaluing of life. There was a certain respect for life which I believe contributed greatly to a person's outlook. Life was worth whatever needed to be given for it to be a success. Parents made personal sacrifices for their children, regardless of poverty, financial security, or environment -- the sacrifices were not "equal" in magnitude, but equal in creating results.

Public education is less about education and more about public indoctrination into an institutional system. We do not reward the successful, for fear of hurting the "feelings" of the unsuccessful -- regardless of the fact that the very stigma of failure might serve the purpose of motivation for the unsuccessful. Through public education we are teaching children to "play their roles."

dPrasse
07-03-2005, 10:30 AM
All of the above posts have been good , but to bring it back onto topic ... the reason black kids find it difficult to advance is .... BLACK on BLACK RACISM ..... I don't care if it is the race pimps in Washington or the local yokel peer jerks .... as long as kids that try are considered Uncle Toms by their friends and family, as long as kids that succeed are accused of "forgetting their roots" ...as long as successful adults are attacked bt the "black community" as "selling out to whitey," there is NO hope for the betterment of the black community as a whole ....

DesertFox
07-03-2005, 11:43 AM
Actually, the "black community as a whole" is doing quite well. You're talking about the 25 or so percent permanently mired in the ghetto.

HomeschoolrsRUs
07-03-2005, 11:56 AM
Actually, the "black community as a whole" is doing quite well. You're talking about the 25 or so percent permanently mired in the ghetto.

Fox,
You're on to something too -- it is the libs who want to paint the picture that the "25 or so percent permanently mired in the ghetto" which are the "norm" for the black community. Instead of uplifting those that have made it out, and pointing to them as role models to emulate, they turn around and like true defetists, point to the ne'r-do-wells and the tragic stories to say enough is not being done.

I have never understood those who continually refer to the glass half-empty, instead of rejoicing that the glass is half-ful. Negativity never gets anything done, because it believes it can't. (My Momma says, "Can't never did do anything." :smirky: )

Bob_Arctor
07-07-2005, 06:14 PM
It's all in how you're raised. The point of the article is that kids need constant loving attention, what used to be called Tee Ell Cee (Tender Loving Care), from the day they're born, and it has to be maintained. Without it, something in their brains turns off by the time they're 3 or 4 and can't be switched on again, as happens with potty training. Their very ability to learn is stunted. Rather than becoming the knowledge- sponges that kids are supposed to be at those ages, they can't soak up knowledge effortlessly.
DF, I agree completely. Any newborn baby has potential. But if it's not developed, the potential will never be met. It's a classic vicious cycle, and breaking it is hard. Treatment early in life makes all the difference - if the child's mind has not been cultivated very early, that person will likely be locked into the pattern...and they will repeat it when they have children.

DesertFox
07-08-2005, 06:32 PM
Just to amplify, Bob: It isn't "treatment" in the sense of therapy, but development in the normal sense of development in a technological society. And if not cultivated, something in the brain switches off -- that brainstem shuts down. Somebody has shown that learning language is intimately related to getting an early start. By the time you're 15, you are not physically able to learn a language without accent because the brainstem that would have developed that direction shuts down.

Same thing's at work here. A kid who isn't cultivated in the direction of learning symbols (ABC's) early-on, loses much of his capacity to learn them at all. This would explain why African kids consistently score in the retarded IQ levels, though for the bush world they're not stunted at all. No African tribe ever developed an alphabet, so African upbringing never focused on symbols. Yet Western Civilization's achievements all hinge on symbol-dominance.

Folks who don't know how to raise kids that way are harming them without having any idea that they're doing it.