Barbra Streisand : Don't Forget Karl Rove While Covering Judge Roberts

[Webruary]

HOLLYWOOD VS. AMERICA

BARBRA TO MEDIA : DON'T FORGET ROVE

Barbra says Bush gets 'lucky' with timing of Supreme pick
Posted: July 23, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Barbra Streisand is urging members of the news media not to forget about presidential adviser Karl Rove now that he's been bumped from the headlines by the selection of John Roberts as the next Supreme Court justice.

On her website, the entertainer and liberal activist writes:

How lucky for George Bush that his well-timed nomination of Judge Roberts to the Supreme Court has taken the heat off of Karl Rove. Let's hope that the press does not forget about Mr. Rove and the White House's role in the leak of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity. The Fitzgerald investigation and the Rove story are too important to stay off the front page. Not only does it reveal the truly secretive and subversive nature of this administration, but it exposes the major National Security implications of disclosing the identity of a covert intelligence officer. In addition, the story demonstrates the serious lengths the administration went to in order to squelch and unfairly discredit those that undercut their rationale for the Iraq war.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST

[Riverboat]

Okay! And we don't want to forget the fact that the terrorists are still making bombs!

[Warlady]

The bimbo has come out of her hidyhole. Does anyone still listen to her? *yawn* What's for lunch?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:smirky: By all means, let's keep Rove front & center. Since he hasn't done anything wrong, it'll eventually show the demonicrats for the nitwits they are.

[Beowulf]

The bimbo has come out of her hidyhole. Does anyone still listen to her? *yawn* What's for lunch?

Babs bores me too! Lunch sounds good, Warlady. Where shall we meet?

[DesertFox]

Bitch, go play with your husband's little willie and leave the big stuff to the adults.

[Venus de Smilo]

What everybody said.

Who gives a *^&# what the washed-up, Clinton boot-licking hosenose says?

[marvin_pa]

Okay! And we don't want to forget the fact that the terrorists are still making bombs!

Or that Niger never gave uranium to Saddam!

[Venus de Smilo]

Or that Niger never gave uranium to Saddam!

Did you have a point?

[TheRealLobo]

How convenient that on the eve of clinton's impeachment, he decided to drop some bombs.

[Republican_Legion]

HOLLYWOOD VS. AMERICA

BARBRA TO MEDIA : DON'T FORGET ROVE

Barbra says Bush gets 'lucky' with timing of Supreme pick
Posted: July 23, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Barbra Streisand is urging members of the news media not to forget about presidential adviser Karl Rove now that he's been bumped from the headlines by the selection of John Roberts as the next Supreme Court justice.

On her website, the entertainer and liberal activist writes:

How lucky for George Bush that his well-timed nomination of Judge Roberts to the Supreme Court has taken the heat off of Karl Rove. Let's hope that the press does not forget about Mr. Rove and the White House's role in the leak of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity. The Fitzgerald investigation and the Rove story are too important to stay off the front page. Not only does it reveal the truly secretive and subversive nature of this administration, but it exposes the major National Security implications of disclosing the identity of a covert intelligence officer. In addition, the story demonstrates the serious lengths the administration went to in order to squelch and unfairly discredit those that undercut their rationale for the Iraq war.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST

step 2 for barbara : use the duct tape when u talk .
join the club of duct tapies like martin sheen .
streisand has always had the intelligence of a prehistoric Liberal .

[marvin_pa]

Did you have a point?

Yes I do. My comment tried to point at it in an indirect way, but I am happy to expand on it.

To me it seems that the whole Carl Rove / Valerie Plame issue is about the Niger-Iraqi uranium issue. And indeed not about Streisand, her comments, or what anybody may think about her. These would be totally irrelevant, and I couldn't care less about them.
Later events in our history as invoked by Riverboat are also not applicable to the Rove / Plame situation.
This is about Plame, and her capacity as a CIA operative, seeing her ambassador husband being sent to Niger to investigate claims that Niger would have sent uranium to Saddam's Iraq, as had in so many words been stated by President G.W. Bush in his State of the Union adress. Now this turned out to be false info. Sofar no problem. Accidents can happen of course. Even to the President of the US. However Rove seems to have told some people about Wilsons endeavour to seek this thing out in Niger. Wilson, as we know, came to the conclusion that there had been no uranium dealings between Niger and Iraq.
Now when this was discussed between Rove and other parties, it seems that Rove mentioned that Wilsons mission was envoqued by his CIA wife, and he mentioned that, therefore revealing that Plame was a CIA operative.
By some this was seen as

a) something Rove shouldn't have mentioned, as the law seems to forbid that.

b) a political payback by him and perhaps mr. Novak, to a President of the US, who might have felt that he was at a political disadvantage, in the light of the findings by mr. Wilson.

Now I am not saying that Rove & Bush have or should have had these feelings towards these proceedings, or even that Rove commited a crime. (I do say that it was a large mistake on his part). But what I am saying is that these are the issues at hand. Not Streisand or what some people may take her for, and not terrorist that make bombs. They would have made them anyway, I think.
Just a question of focusing on the matter at hand. Something this thread in my opinion is pulling away from for (party) political reasons? Or at least in the name of antipathy for Streisand. These issues should not be involved to come to a reasonable judgement. That what I was trying to point out in a way that may not have been very equivolent, but in the best traditions of these forums.

[Warlady]

Excuse me Marvin but you seem to be grossly misinformed.

1) The special prosecutor has stated over and over that Karl Rove is NOT a target in his investigation

2) Valerie Plame has not been an undercover agent for 6 years.

3) Her husband told Wolf Blitzer of CNN in an interview that his wife has not been an undercover/covert agent for 6 years and has not been on an overseas assignment for 9 years.

4) Valerie Plame outed herself in 2000 when she used her so-called "covert" name to make a political contribution to the Al Gore for President campaign.

5) This so-called "non-scandal" isn't called NADAGATE for nothing.

I know how desperate you lefties are for a Bush administration scandal but there just is no there there. Nice try.

[DesertFox]

Not to mention that this thread, contrary to marvin, is very specifically about Barbra Streisand and her meddling in politics again. She's even named in the title and cited in the opening post.

Shux.

[Lestat]

Who is Barbra Streisand and why don't I remember a single song by her?

[DesertFox]

:D

[aaron11]

Who is Barbra Streisand and why don't I remember a single song by her?

My parents used to love her, Until they heard her speak about politics...Now I harass them much to my pleasure...:smirky: silly old farts anyway...:grin:

[Melz]

What I don't understand about her "thoughts" (well okay I have trouble understanding liberals, I have stated that many times, it is painful to try for me) is that she says that the nomination of Roberts was well timed. Ummm. He nominated him when O'Conner retired. That was not his timing, that is his duty as the President. Apparently, you can make anything into a conspiracy theory and post it on your website. I just don't believe anyone is reading her website.

[DesertFox]

Good point, Melz. This thing with Rove's been going on for two years, and Babs wants us to think it just came up at the same time O'Connor retired.

Streisand's not the most idiotic jackass on the Left, but she's surely in the running.

[Webruary]

it seems that Rove mentioned that Wilsons mission was envoqued by his CIA wife, and he mentioned that, therefore revealing that Plame was a CIA operative.


The problem with this line of reasoning is MATT COOPER, the TIME Magazine correspondent :

1) Did not say that Rove told him that she was a CIA operative. Only that she recommended Wilson to the Niger Mission.

2) That he did not even mention her name.

It is a crime to inform people that a covert agent is covert. I don't think Rove did that.

[Webruary]

Excuse me Marvin but you seem to be grossly misinformed.

1) The special prosecutor has stated over and over that Karl Rove is NOT a target in his investigation

2) Valerie Plame has not been an undercover agent for 6 years.

3) Her husband told Wolf Blitzer of CNN in an interview that his wife has not been an undercover/covert agent for 6 years and has not been on an overseas assignment for 9 years.

4) Valerie Plame outed herself in 2000 when she used her so-called "covert" name to make a political contribution to the Al Gore for President campaign.

5) This so-called "non-scandal" isn't called NADAGATE for nothing.

I know how desperate you lefties are for a Bush administration scandal but there just is no there there. Nice try.

I would like to add one more thing --- Plame's own CIA supervisor, Fred Rustmann DOES NOT BELIEVE that Plame's status was covert at the time the Joe Wilson piece was published. Rustmann was interviewed about this in Hannity and Colmes. See here for transcripts of the interview :

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162811,00.html

War Lady, I would appreciate it if the NEWS LINKS to all of these facts you presented can be tabulated for all to see. For example, I'd like to find the link that says Rove is NOT a target of his investigation.

[Webruary]

More references to what Valerie Plame's boss said :

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-22-03/discussion.cgi.116.html


Plame worked as a spy internationally in more than one role. Fred Rustmann, a former CIA official who put in 24 years as a spymaster and was Plame's boss for a few years, says Plame worked under official cover in Europe in the early 1990s - say, as a U.S. embassy attache - before switching to nonofficial cover a few years later. Mostly Plame posed as a business analyst or a student in what Rustmann describes as a "nice European city." Plame was never a so-called deep-cover NOC, he said, meaning the agency did not create a complex cover story about her education, background, job, personal life and even hobbies and habits that would stand up to intense scrutiny by foreign governments. "[NOCs] are on corporate rolls, and if anybody calls the corporation, the secretary says, 'Yeah, he works for us,'" says Rustmann. "The degree of backstopping to a NOC's cover is a very good indication of how deep that cover really is."


and it further says:


Though Plame's cover is now blown, it probably began to unravel years ago when Wilson first asked her out. Rustmann describes Plame as an "exceptional officer" but says her ability to remain under cover was jeopardized by her marriage in 1998 to the higher-profile American diplomat.


Plame all but came in from the cold last week, making her first public appearance, at a Washington lunch in honor of her husband, who was receiving an award for whistle blowing. Some covert agent !!!

[Lestat]

WHO IS BARBRA STREISAND?!!??!?!?

[Webruary]

More information on Plame's so called "covert" identity

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050718-092253-3802r.htm


Congress made clear in the statute that this was the goal behind the IIPA, not to shield CIA employees or their spouses working in the United States (with little effort being made to conceal their identity) from all criticism of their behavior. The law requires that the CIA be attempting to keep the identity of the agent secret. But in interviews with The Washington Times, most of Mrs. Plame's neighbors in Northwest Washington said they knew she worked for the CIA. A former supervisor, Fred Rustmann, who spent 24 years in the CIA, noted that the agency was doing little to protect her cover, and she is listed in her husband's Who's Who in America entry.

As this newspaper reported on July 23, 2004: "The identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame was compromised twice before her name appeared in a new column that triggered a federal illegal-disclosure investigation ... Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy ... In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana ... Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said."

Ironically, Mr. Rove says he learned of Mrs. Plame's identity from a reporter. How did a journalist get that information? Very possibly, Mr. Wilson himself was the original source of the leak of his wife's identity as a secret agent. The first person to speculatively write on the assertion was Mr. Corn of the Nation, who wrote two days after Mr. Novak's original article was published that Mrs. Plame may have been a secret agent. Clifford May, writing last week in National Review Online, noted that Mr. Novak did not reveal that she was a secret agent. But Mr. Corn, who talked with Mr. Wilson, did raise the possibility of Mrs. Plame's "undercover" status. The bottom line is that based on what is currently known about the Plame case thus far, there is absolutely no legitimate reason to believe that Mr. Rove is the original source of the leak about Mrs. Plame's identity.

[Webruary]

WHO IS BARBRA STREISAND?!!??!?!?

Now that you asked the question....I can't seem to recall :whistle:

[marvin_pa]

Warlady, Desertfox,

I know the issue about who said what and when is controversial, thats not my point, and I know this thread is particularly about Streisand and what she said. That is understood also. My point is merely that Streisand's intervention is imo not very intersting as such. I just wanted to make a statement pertaining to where this whole thing originated. And that seems to me to be in that State of the Union statement by the President.

[aaron11]

Warlady, Desertfox,

And that seems to me to be in that State of the Union statement by the President.

For which he NEVER should have apologized! When your right your right!...
If the left were ever to be held to the same standards that Bush holds himself to, They would be out of business...

[Kali]

What's wrong with Barbara. My guess is 'He Don't Send Her Flowers Anymore'. Or something else.
:whine:
GIVE IT UP BABS. YOU'RE TOO OLD FOR THIS!

[Lestat]

http://www.sphinxmontreal.com/Images/artists/barbra_streisand/barbra_streisand_400.jpg

THIS IS BARBRE STREISAND???

Bah

[DesertFox]

Streisand's intervention is imo not very intersting as such. Then you should have stayed out of this thread. I just wanted to make a statement pertaining to where this whole thing originated. And that seems to me to be in that State of the Union statement by the President. Actually, the whole thing originated in Joe Wilson's sick mind. He, like Richard Clarke, decided he wanted his 15 minutes of fame.

[Venus de Smilo]

Not just 15 minutes of fame, IMO. Wilson acted as a 'rat operative to smear the administration. He and his wife used his weak international background to get him a plane ticket and a two-week stay in a place he could claim he knew his was around in and ostensibly had some intel connections in so he could write the smear story.

I contend that Wilson's trip to Africa, and his wife getting him the gig, was itself cover for the smear campaign.

Wilson didn't go to Africa with some altruistic notion to find the truth. The trip was cover for the already planned smear.

[marvin_pa]

Desert and Venus,

Just to make me understand the last posts by you two. Do you contend that Niger gave uranium to Saddam? And that Wilson, Plame and the CIA somehow conspired to cover that up?

[aaron11]

Desert and Venus,

Just to make me understand the last posts by you two. Do you contend that Niger gave uranium to Saddam? And that Wilson, Plame and the CIA somehow conspired to cover that up?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
No one is contending that! Saddam tried to purchase said Uranium from Niger...

[marvin_pa]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
No one is contending that! Saddam tried to purchase said Uranium from Niger...

And did Wilson agree that this was tried? Or didn't he?

[sunsettommy]

HOLLYWOOD VS. AMERICA

BARBRA TO MEDIA : DON'T FORGET ROVE

Barbra says Bush gets 'lucky' with timing of Supreme pick
Posted: July 23, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Barbra Streisand is urging members of the news media not to forget about presidential adviser Karl Rove now that he's been bumped from the headlines by the selection of John Roberts as the next Supreme Court justice.

On her website, the entertainer and liberal activist writes:

How lucky for George Bush that his well-timed nomination of Judge Roberts to the Supreme Court has taken the heat off of Karl Rove. Let's hope that the press does not forget about Mr. Rove and the White House's role in the leak of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity. The Fitzgerald investigation and the Rove story are too important to stay off the front page. Not only does it reveal the truly secretive and subversive nature of this administration, but it exposes the major National Security implications of disclosing the identity of a covert intelligence officer. In addition, the story demonstrates the serious lengths the administration went to in order to squelch and unfairly discredit those that undercut their rationale for the Iraq war.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST

This woman is obviously a hater,since she really thinks Rove and the white house is guilty in outing Plame.It is impossible!

To show just how stupid Barbara really is,just read what Joe Wilson said in his book(yes the birdbrain wrote a book),that then Miss Virginia Plame came to Washington D.C. in 1997 and got married and had twins.She has since 1998 been in the D.C. area.She works at Langley behind a desk.

This all happened BEFORE George W. Bush was elected President!

BWAHAHAHAHA!

[sunsettommy]

Yes I do. My comment tried to point at it in an indirect way, but I am happy to expand on it.

To me it seems that the whole Carl Rove / Valerie Plame issue is about the Niger-Iraqi uranium issue. And indeed not about Streisand, her comments, or what anybody may think about her. These would be totally irrelevant, and I couldn't care less about them.
Later events in our history as invoked by Riverboat are also not applicable to the Rove / Plame situation.
This is about Plame, and her capacity as a CIA operative, seeing her ambassador husband being sent to Niger to investigate claims that Niger would have sent uranium to Saddam's Iraq, as had in so many words been stated by President G.W. Bush in his State of the Union adress. Now this turned out to be false info. Sofar no problem. Accidents can happen of course. Even to the President of the US. However Rove seems to have told some people about Wilsons endeavour to seek this thing out in Niger. Wilson, as we know, came to the conclusion that there had been no uranium dealings between Niger and Iraq.
Now when this was discussed between Rove and other parties, it seems that Rove mentioned that Wilsons mission was envoqued by his CIA wife, and he mentioned that, therefore revealing that Plame was a CIA operative.
By some this was seen as

a) something Rove shouldn't have mentioned, as the law seems to forbid that.

b) a political payback by him and perhaps mr. Novak, to a President of the US, who might have felt that he was at a political disadvantage, in the light of the findings by mr. Wilson.

Now I am not saying that Rove & Bush have or should have had these feelings towards these proceedings, or even that Rove commited a crime. (I do say that it was a large mistake on his part). But what I am saying is that these are the issues at hand. Not Streisand or what some people may take her for, and not terrorist that make bombs. They would have made them anyway, I think.
Just a question of focusing on the matter at hand. Something this thread in my opinion is pulling away from for (party) political reasons? Or at least in the name of antipathy for Streisand. These issues should not be involved to come to a reasonable judgement. That what I was trying to point out in a way that may not have been very equivolent, but in the best traditions of these forums.

Do you know that the Senate investigated the NO Yellowcake claim made by Joe wilson and that the result of that investigation made a liar out of Plame and Wilson.

Do you know that Great Britain still TO THIS DAY stand by their claim that Saddam was indeed trying to buy Yellowcake.

Maybe you do some research first.

<giggle><GIGGLE>

[Venus de Smilo]

Desert and Venus,

Just to make me understand the last posts by you two. Do you contend that Niger gave uranium to Saddam? And that Wilson, Plame and the CIA somehow conspired to cover that up?

No. Guess again.

[aaron11]

And did Wilson agree that this was tried? Or didn't he?


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when the ambassador told me that she knew about the allegations of uranium sales to Iraq — and that she felt she had already debunked them in her reports to Washington

Before I left Niger, I briefed the ambassador on my findings, which were consistent with her own.
-------------------------------------------

Based on my experience with the administration [Bush] in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.

Wilson admits to having a agenda before he even went...

Though I did not file a written report
Of coarse you didn't You were acting in your own interest, not on behalf of the USA...

Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa.

The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them.

To bad no one else agreed with you, including the British and every other intelligence agency worth its salt...

[Riverboat]

Later events in our history as invoked by Riverboat are also not applicable to the Rove / Plame situation.Snorrrrrrk! Huh? Whuzzup? I thought I heard my name.

I made a smartass comment, and you call that history? I guess I'm even smarter than my mother thinks.

Going back to sleep now. Wake me up if you need more history lessons.

[Venus de Smilo]

And did Wilson agree that this was tried? Or didn't he?

Go read his 2003 article.

[DesertFox]

Somebody ain't did his homework

[sunsettommy]

The American Thinker

Spy Valerie and the rogue CIA
July 18th, 2005

Excerpt:

<EXCERPT>

Hold on to your hat. The plot is about to thicken.<O:p</O:p

Behind the scenes, the single most important reason for the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson farce is that CIA Director Porter Goss has finally started to clean house at ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:City w:st=<ST1:place w:st="on">Langley</ST1:place></st1:City> (http://www.voicesofsept11.org/security_issues/111704a.htm). Goss's long-overdue shake-up is clearly backed by the White House, the top levels of the Pentagon and State Department, and the new National Director of Intelligence, John Negroponte (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041117-123335-5881r.htm)).

<O:p></O:p>

Judging by Director Goss's remarks at his Senate confirmation hearings, those whose jobs are most in danger include the CIA "experts" in WMD proliferation – Valerie Plame's outfit – who completely failed to anticipate the Indian and Pakistani nukes, and just couldn't figure out what was going on with Iraqi WMDs. Valerie Plame's bosses are facing the axe for decades of failures.

Another Excerpt:

<ANOTHER excerpt>
The charge against Rove is based on a blatantly forged document, purporting to show that Saddam tried to buy <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Niger</ST1:place></st1:country-region> yellowcake uranium. We now know that the document was forged by the French government to embarrass Secretary Colin Powell, and undermine the American case against Saddam at the UN. It was classic disinformation bait. Powell flourished the <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Niger</st1:country-region></ST1:place> forgery at the Security Council, and the very next day "European intelligence agencies" leaked word that it was a laughable fraud.

<O:p></O:p>

Months later, the London Telegraph published the fact that it was all a French disinformation ploy (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4151&search=james)).

<O:p></O:p>

The CIA has to know all about the French forgery, just as it knows that Joseph Wilson's famous trip to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Niger</ST1:place></st1:country-region> was pure bilgewater. Nobody sends a has-been diplomat to <ST1:place w:st="on">Africa</ST1:place> to drink mint tea with corrupt old President Tandja Mamadou, expecting to discover whether Mamadou has secretly been selling nuke materials (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ng.html) to Saddam.



That's pure Inspector Clousseau.

<O:p></O:p>

Valerie Plame's CIA bosses took care not to ask Mr. <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> to sign a confidentiality agreement, routine in such cases, almost as if they wanted him to make a public fuss. They were not surprised, one might think, when Mr.

<st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> promptly took his story to New York Times Op-Ed Editor Gail Collins, one of the great Bush-haters of all time. As Joseph DiGenova, former US Attorney for DC, recently said (http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/AlbertEisele/071305.html), "The CIA isn’t stupid. They wanted this story out."





<O:p></O:p>


It was a publicity stunt from the get-go. <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>'s "confidential trip" to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Niger</ST1:place></st1:country-region> gave him the superficial credentials to publish his "expose" in the Times. He'd gone there, talked to the top officials face to face, and by gum, they told him it was all a lie! Not even Gail Collins could possibly believe this banana sauce, but <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City></ST1:place>'s charges provided a useful stick with which to beat the White House.

<O:p></O:p>

What Karl Rove apparently did was to hint to reporters about the fraudulence of the whole <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> stunt, and for that the media mob wants him drawn and quartered. No good deed goes unpunished.

<O:p></O:p>

Everything else <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> has been saying on his two-year speaking tour around the country has been shown to be lies, but well-designed lies --- lies that fit right into the mad-dog world of the Democrat Left (http://slate.msn.com/id/2103795/).

<O:p></O:p>

Telling lies to confirm somebody's paranoid beliefs is a classic disinformation gambit, right out of Spy School 101. But such gambits would be far more usefully employed against al Qaeda, our opponent in war. If the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">United States</ST1:place></st1:country-region> is attacked again by terrorists, one reason will be that our CIA has wasted time fighting the White House rather than the enemy.

<O:p></O:p>

Given <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>'s <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Niger</st1:country-region></ST1:place> trip, set up by wife Valerie for Joe Wilson to publicly show that a blatant forgery was, well, a forgery, the current media attack on the White House was completely predictable.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4656

Democrats and the dingbat Streisand seems oblivious to the machinations in the background.The CIA has known all along what this was happening and idiotically send a moron in Joe Wilson in a mission that was insane for its methodology.

Keystone Cops finally have a challenger in the bungling CIA.

:hahaha:

[sunsettommy]

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July 18, 2005, 8:01 a.m.
Did the CIA “Out” Valerie Plame?
What the mainstream media tells the court ... but won’t tell you.


Excerpt:

With each passing day, the manufactured "scandal" over the publication of Valerie Plame's relationship with the CIA establishes new depths of mainstream-media hypocrisy. A highly capable special prosecutor is probing the underlying facts, and it is appropriate to withhold legal judgments until he completes the investigation over which speculation runs so rampant. But it is not too early to assess the performance of the press. It's been appalling.

<!--#include virtual="/includes/include_2002_skyscraper.html" -->Is that hyperbole? You be the judge. Have you heard that the CIA is actually the source responsible for exposing Plame's covert status? Not Karl Rove, not Bob Novak, not the sinister administration cabal du jour of Fourth Estate fantasy, but the CIA itself? Had you heard that Plame's cover has actually been blown for a decade — i.e., since about seven years before Novak ever wrote a syllable about her? Had you heard not only that no crime was committed in the communication of information between Bush administration officials and Novak, but that no crime could have been committed because the governing law gives a person a complete defense if an agent's status has already been compromised by the government?

Another excerpt:Bolding is mine.

THE MEDIA GOES TO COURT ... AND SINGS A DIFFERENT TUNE

Just four months ago, 36 news organizations confederated to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington. At the time, Bush-bashing was (no doubt reluctantly) confined to an unusual backseat. The press had no choice — it was time to close ranks around two of its own, namely, the Times's Judith Miller and Time's Matthew Cooper, who were threatened with jail for defying grand jury subpoenas from the special prosecutor.


The media's brief, fairly short and extremely illuminating, is available here (http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s10News/FileUpload44/10159/Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF). The Times, which is currently spearheading the campaign against Rove and the Bush administration, encouraged its submission. It was joined by a "who's who" of the current Plame stokers, including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, Newsweek, Reuters America, the Washington Post, the Tribune Company (which publishes the Los Angeles Times and the Baltimore Sun, among other papers), and the White House Correspondents (the organization which represents the White House press corps in its dealings with the executive branch).

The thrust of the brief was that reporters should not be held in contempt or forced to reveal their sources in the Plame investigation. Why? Because, the media organizations confidently asserted, no crime had been committed. Now, that is stunning enough given the baleful shroud the press has consciously cast over this story. Even more remarkable, though, were the key details these self-styled guardians of the public's right to know stressed as being of the utmost importance for the court to grasp — details those same guardians have assiduously suppressed from the coverage actually presented to the public.

Though you would not know it from watching the news, you learn from reading the news agencies' brief that the 1982 law prohibiting disclosure of undercover agents' identities explicitly sets forth a complete defense to this crime. It is contained in Section 422 (of Title 50, U.S. Code), and it provides that an accused leaker is in the clear if, sometime before the leak, "the United States ha[s] publicly acknowledged or revealed" the covert agent's "intelligence relationship to the United States[.]"

As it happens, the media organizations informed the court that long before the Novak revelation (which, as noted above, did not disclose Plame's classified relationship with the CIA), Plame's cover was blown not once but twice. The media based this contention on reporting by the indefatigable Bill Gertz — an old-school, "let's find out what really happened" kind of journalist. Gertz's relevant article, published a year ago in the Washington Times, can be found here (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040722-115439-4033r.htm).


http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/mccarthy/mccarthy200507180801.asp

Read it all people,it is mindblowing and something Barbara never seen.This attack on Rove and the WhiteHouse is just plain dumb as there is NOTHING there!

[sunsettommy]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Joe Wilson's Credibility Problem</TD><TD align=right>http://www.frontpagemag.com/images/sndebrgd.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>By Joel Mowbray (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/authors.asp?ID=607)
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 15, 2005

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The virtual vigilantes circling Karl Rove have everything lined up for the brand of justice they see fit for “the Architect”: public humiliation, all-out character assassination, firing, near-fatal damage to the White House, and if they get the cherry on top, “frog-marching” the President’s closest advisor from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to a federal prison. </FONT>


There’s just one hitch: their entire political case rests on the quicksand known as Joe Wilson.

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As part of the cynical campaign to destroy the man who guided Bush to four straight electoral victories, the Left has hailed Wilson as a hero. At first blush, the idiocy of exalting the man with a well-documented credibility problem would seem to rival the decision to roll the cameras as Dukakis gave the thumbs-up while riding in a tank.

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But the Left’s entire rationale for the “Fire Rove” tidal wave is that revealing Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA employee was nothing more than a “shameful,” “despicable,” and “disturbing” act of “retaliation,” “retribution,” or “revenge.” If they admitted that Wilson layered lies upon lies, then logic dictates that Rove did no more than encourage a reporter not to be hoodwinked.

Another excerpt:

Just over one year ago, the man married to the retired CIA operative formerly known as Valerie Plame was exposed as an opportunist who lied at almost every turn in an audacious bid to grab his 15 minutes—and a seven-figure book deal.

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He was outed not by Rove, the White House, or some right-wing outfit, but by the bipartisan Senate Select Intelligence Committee.

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According to the report, Plame “offered up” the services of her husband. She believed that intelligence surrounding Niger and yellowcake was bogus—she called it a “crazy report”—making it highly likely that her husband went there looking to confirm that conclusion. He did.

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Or did he? The bipartisan conclusion of the committee was that Wilson's findings, if anything, served to support the belief that Saddam was actively seeking uranium for a nuclear program.

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But Wilson revealed himself as the headline whore he is by grabbing the spotlight when the story first emerged about Niger and forged documents purporting to show illicit sales to Saddam. From the July 10, 2004 Washington Post:

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He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because “the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.”

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“Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the ‘dates were wrong and the names were wrong’ when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports,” the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have “misspoken” to reporters. The documents—purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq—were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18798

Joe the liar Wilson,will be remembered for his idiotic attempts to get Rove.

[Venus de Smilo]

[QUOTE=sunsettommy]The American Thinker

Spy Valerie and the rogue CIA
July 18th, 2005

Excerpt:

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Hold on to your hat. The plot is about to thicken.<O:p</O:p

Behind the scenes, the single most important reason for the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson farce is that CIA Director Porter Goss has finally started to clean house at ffice:smarttags" />lace w:st="on">Langley</ST1:place> (http://www.voicesofsept11.org/security_issues/111704a.htm). Goss's long-overdue shake-up is clearly backed by the White House, the top levels of the Pentagon and State Department, and the new National Director of Intelligence, John Negroponte (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041117-123335-5881r.htm)).

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Judging by Director Goss's remarks at his Senate confirmation hearings, those whose jobs are most in danger include the CIA "experts" in WMD proliferation – Valerie Plame's outfit – who completely failed to anticipate the Indian and Pakistani nukes, and just couldn't figure out what was going on with Iraqi WMDs. Valerie Plame's bosses are facing the axe for decades of failures.

Another Excerpt:

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The charge against Rove is based on a blatantly forged document, purporting to show that Saddam tried to buy <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:City w:st=<ST1 /><st1:country-region w:st=<ST1:place w:st="on">Niger</ST1:place></st1:country-region> yellowcake uranium. We now know that the document was forged by the French government to embarrass Secretary Colin Powell, and undermine the American case against Saddam at the UN. It was classic disinformation bait. Powell flourished the <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Niger</st1:country-region></ST1:place> forgery at the Security Council, and the very next day "European intelligence agencies" leaked word that it was a laughable fraud.

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Months later, the London Telegraph published the fact that it was all a French disinformation ploy (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4151&search=james)).

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The CIA has to know all about the French forgery, just as it knows that Joseph Wilson's famous trip to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Niger</ST1:place></st1:country-region> was pure bilgewater. Nobody sends a has-been diplomat to <ST1:place w:st="on">Africa</ST1:place> to drink mint tea with corrupt old President Tandja Mamadou, expecting to discover whether Mamadou has secretly been selling nuke materials (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ng.html) to Saddam.



That's pure Inspector Clousseau.

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Valerie Plame's CIA bosses took care not to ask Mr. <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> to sign a confidentiality agreement, routine in such cases, almost as if they wanted him to make a public fuss. They were not surprised, one might think, when Mr.

<st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> promptly took his story to New York Times Op-Ed Editor Gail Collins, one of the great Bush-haters of all time. As Joseph DiGenova, former US Attorney for DC, recently said (http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/AlbertEisele/071305.html), "The CIA isn’t stupid. They wanted this story out."





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It was a publicity stunt from the get-go. <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>'s "confidential trip" to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Niger</ST1:place></st1:country-region> gave him the superficial credentials to publish his "expose" in the Times. He'd gone there, talked to the top officials face to face, and by gum, they told him it was all a lie! Not even Gail Collins could possibly believe this banana sauce, but <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City></ST1:place>'s charges provided a useful stick with which to beat the White House.

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What Karl Rove apparently did was to hint to reporters about the fraudulence of the whole <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> stunt, and for that the media mob wants him drawn and quartered. No good deed goes unpunished.

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Everything else <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:place></st1:City> has been saying on his two-year speaking tour around the country has been shown to be lies, but well-designed lies --- lies that fit right into the mad-dog world of the Democrat Left (http://slate.msn.com/id/2103795/).

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Telling lies to confirm somebody's paranoid beliefs is a classic disinformation gambit, right out of Spy School 101. But such gambits would be far more usefully employed against al Qaeda, our opponent in war. If the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">United States</ST1:place></st1:country-region> is attacked again by terrorists, one reason will be that our CIA has wasted time fighting the White House rather than the enemy.

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Given <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>'s <ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Niger</st1:country-region></ST1:place> trip, set up by wife Valerie for Joe Wilson to publicly show that a blatant forgery was, well, a forgery, the current media attack on the White House was completely predictable.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4656


Yeah, that's what I bin sayin'.

[Venus de Smilo]

"“Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the ‘dates were wrong and the names were wrong’ when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports,” the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have “misspoken” to reporters. The documents—purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq—were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger."


Maybe Wilson worked on the forgery with the French, which would explain his statement about the dates, etc.. Either that or he was embellishing in order to advance his own importance and credibility. Probably the latter, but the former is an intriguing thought. He's spent a lot of time in Europe.

[Federal Farmer]

How lucky for George Bush that his well-timed nomination of Judge Roberts to the Supreme Court has taken the heat off of Karl Rove.
Yes, the plot thickens; now it will be found that O'Connor retired to help Bush.

[RayChuang]

Hey Barbara Streisand, I have a piece of advice for you: :stfu:

[DesertFox]

What the RayChuang said.