GOP hopefuls for '08 breaking from Bush

[tacitus]

GOP hopefuls for '08 breaking from Bush (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050825-111142-2872r.htm)

By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published August 26, 2005
<hr>Republican senators with White House ambitions have begun to break with President Bush on a variety of issues to prove their independence from the second-term president.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee staked out his own ground on the issue of stem-cell research. Sen. George Allen of Virginia publicly disagreed with Mr. Bush's refusal to meet a second time with anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan.

Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska compared the war in Iraq to the Vietnam War, an analogy that is anathema to Mr. Bush. Sen. John McCain of Arizona has long disagreed with the president's tax cuts and confidence in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

"As the incumbent president gets into his second term, a lot of people who lust after his job are trying to differentiate themselves -- not so much from him as from each other," said David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union.

"They're trying to define themselves in the public mind in a way that will give them a leg up in the next election," he said. "George Bush doesn't have to run again, so there's less fear of disagreeing with him."

[DeclinetoState]

Why don't they try showing their independence from Democrats?

Is anyone showing independence from Bush on the issue of illegal immigration?

[tacitus]

Why don't they try showing their independence from Democrats?

Is anyone showing independence from Bush on the issue of illegal immigration?

Tom Tancredo (R CO) has been doing that for years and has become the blacksheep of the republican party. A few others with their eye on `08, Hillary, Wagner, Richardson, and others are trying to makes themselves appear to be against illegals. But that is just so much hot air. If you want to know where they really stand, look at their records.

[Lazarus]

I never have thought much of single-issue voters, but the Illegal Immigration for me has become the defining issue in the next election...

[tacitus]

Yuppers.

[Naturalized-Texan]

tac: Thanks for posting that article listing those who will NOT get my vote in the 2008 Republican Presidential Primary.

[tacitus]

Well NT you may not be voting in the `08 election if one of these esteemed candidates is the nominee for the republican party.

[Lazarus]

Against the Democrats I could support any of the above-mentioned individuals in the general election.... With the exception of John McCain... For me a vote for McCain is a vote for the Democrats... If he ends up being the nominee (which I doubt at this point), I'll have to vote for an alternative party candidate for President...

Here's a hypothetical matchup that would put me in a tough decision... What if McCain ended up facing off against a Democrat like, say, Lieberman... Although I clearly dont agree with Lieberman on many issues, I must say I respect him far more than I do McCain... That could end up being a split ticket for me...

Just because some Republicans disagree with Bush doesnt mean they are not good representatives of Conservative values... Mr Bush is not the Patron Saint of Conservatism... He does indeed have some faults that Im disappointed in...

[Naturalized-Texan]

Well NT you may not be voting in the `08 election if one of these esteemed candidates is the nominee for the republican party.
Please note that I only referred to the Republican Presidential Primary. If one of those RINOs gets the nomination (other than McCain or Hagel, who don't have a snowball's chance in Hell to get it), I will vote for the Republican candidate.

[Lazarus]

I say we cast some spells and do some Pagan dances and resurrect Mr Reagan... God knows we need him more than ever today...

Do yall realize just exactly how fortunate and privilaged we were to have been here when he was our President... Sometimes it seems like a dream when I look at what we have to represent us today... Will we ever see his like again?

[Beowulf]

Near as I can tell, only Tom Tancredo has been outspoken about Illegal Immigration and voiced his opposition. As this problem creates so many more, it will be my main issue in 2008. I will NOT support any GOP that continues to allow Illegals into America....PERIOD! Even if they are the GOP nominee in 2008.

As it stands, only Tancredo has my vote unless someone else takes a stand against this issue.

[Republican_Legion]

at least mccaine isnt pro-choice , or pro-gun control , or pro-affirmitave action , or pro-Gay . Lieberman is for gun control , abortion , affirmitave action , gay marriage so i dont see how he is more of a republican then mccaine . Lieberman and mccaine are about the same on fiscal issues anyways .

i would oppose mccaine and guilianni on the primaries , but if it came down to hitlery vs mccaine , i cant let a baby killer win .

[PaulRevere]

Does Frist think he will win the nomination with stem cell research as the defining issue? Get a grip, Bill!

Porous borders, illegal immigration, and Congress spending TOO MUCH F---ing MONEY are the real issues at this point.

[aaron11]

Does Frist think he will win the nomination with stem cell research as the defining issue? Get a grip, Bill!

Porous borders, illegal immigration, and Congress spending TOO MUCH F---ing MONEY are the real issues at this point.

*adds, War on terror [national security] and 2amendment issues...

:grin:

[Taylor]

Well so far, I haven't read or heard George Allen speak out against illegal immigration. He's running for President in 2008. I'm sure he's aware of the day laborer sites that often hire illegal immigrants. I think Sen. Allen is afraid to speak out against these sites because he's afraid he will lose votes next year when he runs for re-election if he speaks out against the day laborer sites.

[Republican_Legion]

Rush Limbaugh has endorsed George Allen .
Rush limbaugh was interviewed on Hannity and Colmes a few days ago on FOX and he was asked who is the GOP candiate that has Reagans touch of charisma and leadership etc and rush limbaugh responded with George Allen .

if Allen ran with Tancredo as his VP wouldnt that give an indication of what allens views on the border is without him having to verbally say it .

[SmellyFed]

Rush Limbaugh has endorsed George Allen .
Rush limbaugh was interviewed on Hannity and Colmes a few days ago on FOX and he was asked who is the GOP candiate that has Reagans touch of charisma and leadership etc and rush limbaugh responded with George Allen .

if Allen ran with Tancredo as his VP wouldnt that give an indication of what allens views on the border is without him having to verbally say it .

I'm following George Allen closely (http://president-allen2008.blogspot.com/) and think he may have a real shot at the nomination. His biggest detractor is his stance on abortion which he's basically pro-choice in the first tri-mester.

I've read a few pundits address Allen's pro-choice tendency and perhaps it's a position that can be influenced.

[SmellyFed]

I'm following George Allen closely (http://president-allen2008.blogspot.com/) and think he may have a real shot at the nomination. His biggest detractor is his stance on abortion which he's basically pro-choice in the first tri-mester.

I've read a few pundits address Allen's pro-choice tendency and perhaps it's a position that can be influenced.

Incidentally, if you're following Allen at all - he appears on Meet the Press with Tim Russert on October 23d to discuss the Miers nomination and the CIA leak. Should be worth watching or taping if it conflicts with your Sunday schedule.

[dPrasse]

His biggest detractor is his stance on abortion which he's basically pro-choice in the first tri-mester.

well , for one , until there is a majority in Congress that feel that way , and a majority on the SCotUS , Allens stand on abortion is not truly an election point ...

and , even if there has to be a "political" concession on this first tri-mester , it will be far better than what we have now ....

I've read a few pundits address Allen's pro-choice tendency and perhaps it's a position that can be influenced.

We need to get the CONGRESS to actually take a stand on an already existing law/court ruling ....

Immigration and the candidates feelings on the Constitution in general (Posse Act , Land Owners Rights (eminent domain) , 2nd Amendment ) will be my watching points ...

[Republican_Legion]

I'm following George Allen closely (http://president-allen2008.blogspot.com/) and think he may have a real shot at the nomination. His biggest detractor is his stance on abortion which he's basically pro-choice in the first tri-mester.

I've read a few pundits address Allen's pro-choice tendency and perhaps it's a position that can be influenced.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=CNIP9093
allen has a good pro-life rating according to here .
in some ways bush is more actively pro-choice by choosing a Stealth candiate for Scotus . the bush family has a history of backing down because of Dem pressure (his dad did it in the gulfwar when he withdrawd our troops) and his dad also nominated a stealth Scotus (souter). Rush limbaugh seems to think allen is more of a reagan who wont back down because of demorat pressure .
even if allen is only 70% pro-life he is still one who would install scotus judges with anti-ROEvWade beliefs.
you cant really get limits on abortion without overturning RoeVwade , step 1 for pro-lifers is to overturn RoeVwade . step2 is pass legislation banning some/all of it federally or in state laws . it wont make a difference with an even more pro-life senator like sam brownback unless RoeVwade was already reversed and we needed laws banning abortion . until then we havent even gotten step1 .

[CzechPrince]

Most of those people mentioned in the article ARE more conservative than Bush. Bush isn't even that conservative, he's a damn populist.

[Republican_Legion]

Most of those people mentioned in the article ARE more conservative than Bush. Bush isn't even that conservative, he's a damn populist.

finally we agree on something . :claps: :thumb:

[dPrasse]

tac: Thanks for posting that article listing those who will NOT get my vote in the 2008 Republican Presidential Primary.

Bet you won't be voting in the Primaries then ... my guess is that no self-respecting Conservative will want to brag about being W's political twin ...

[SmellyFed]

Most of those people mentioned in the article ARE more conservative than Bush. Bush isn't even that conservative, he's a damn populist.

You're exactly right. I've supported Bush since 1998 in his canidacies and his Presidency but I'm "pert-near" in open rebellion against him now. His spending and his refusal to confront illegal immigration have soured me - and this Miers nomination has sent me to the breaking point.

[SmellyFed]

Well so far, I haven't read or heard George Allen speak out against illegal immigration. He's running for President in 2008. I'm sure he's aware of the day laborer sites that often hire illegal immigrants. I think Sen. Allen is afraid to speak out against these sites because he's afraid he will lose votes next year when he runs for re-election if he speaks out against the day laborer sites.

You might find the following to be encouraging:


Virginia Sen. George Allen said, "Legal immigration has been and is the lifeblood of our nation. My own mother followed the process and emigrated to the U.S. from Tunisia after World War II. I have the greatest respect for the ingenuity, discipline and determination that so many of our newest citizens show in their work and lives."


"But illegal immigration is not only unfair to the thousands of men and women who waited their turn and worked hard to come to America, but is also a threat to our nation and state socially and economically," Allen said. "I support the strict enforcement of our immigration laws and hope that legislators in Virginia and my colleagues in Congress will join me in supporting laws to make illegal immigration more difficult and unappealing."

http://www.cantorforcongress.com/news/2005/immigration.htm

[Naturalized-Texan]

Until I read that George Allen was critical of President Bush for not meeting with that traitor, Cindy Sheehan, a second time, I was considering voting for him. After reading that, Allen isn't worthy of my vote. Condi Rice keeps looking better and better as we approach 2008.

[Republican_Legion]

Well its obvioss since rice is PRO-ABORTION and PRO-ROEvWades she would appoint even more Left Leaning judges then harriet miers , she is no conservative . anyways shes a Loyalist to GWB which means she will support illegal immigration and Pork spending and since the president hasnt made a commit on RoeVwade he might actually be pro-choice and it will explain why he picked miers . there really isnt any conservatives in the white house , just some populists who cant make up their mind . she is totally un-qualifed since she has never served Congress , senate , as Mayor or as govenor . shes just as qualified as Rumsfield is , the only real reason someone would want her to run is because they believe in Political Correctioness and Affirmitive Action and FemiNazism .

and i bet some radical Affirmitive Actionist is gonna respond to this with
(give her a Chance,she is a pro-choice woman and deserves to win just cause of that) .
to bloody hell with Political Correctionist and Affirmitive Action .